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Title: Water change?
Post by: Big Al on August 09, 2012, 12:11:36 AM
Hi,
 
I just noticed from a welcome message that Mir made today,  that a regular water change is beneficial for our lovely rotaries. I know about topping up with distilled water but not much more.
So I\'d really appreciate any guidance regarding water change frequency and where to find the drain plug??
 
Cheers, Al.
Title: Water change?
Post by: Arnie_O on August 09, 2012, 12:20:41 AM
one drain plug in the bottom of your Rad and the other should be in the side on the engine, i believe its somewhare hear where the sump plug is... though i may be wrong about the exact location of the second. I am new to FD\'s had my 8 (FE) for a while now though
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 09, 2012, 12:41:09 AM
Quote from: Big Al;832232Hi,
 
I just noticed from a welcome message that Mir made today,  that a regular water change is beneficial for our lovely rotaries. I know about topping up with distilled water but not much more.
So I\'d really appreciate any guidance regarding water change frequency and where to find the drain plug??
 
Cheers, Al.

Hi Mate

Indeed water change is beneficial. However, you don\'t change water as often as an oil. I read a thread by Aron Cake (American Engine Builder) and also read loads of info on Aussie Rotary site. If I am not mistaken, every 1 to 2 years water change is recommended. I don\'t have a clearly info to hand as I am chilling at the moment in my bed using my Ipad:):King, but certainly I can dig an info out for you. If, again, I am not mistaken, the conclusion of the water changing discussion I read were pointing towards the bad functioning of the properties in an old Radiator water, and how it affects the engines. So, in nutshell, it\'s the properties in the water which gives up with the passage of time and does not kill the heat efficiently.

I hope the info would help.

Cheers
Mir
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 09, 2012, 12:49:55 AM
Quote from: Arnie_O;832233one drain plug in the bottom of your Rad and the other should be in the side on the engine, i believe its somewhare hear where the sump plug is... though i may be wrong about the exact location of the second. I am new to FD\'s had my 8 (FE) for a while now though

The other water drainage plug is on the side of the engine near the spark plug area. I don\'t have a 13b anymore but I am sure that the water drainage plug is on the plugs side of the engine-either in the intermediate iron plate or rear iron plate. You can\'t miss it if you look there carefully.

Cheers
Mir
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Title: Water change?
Post by: Rotormotor on August 09, 2012, 08:47:07 AM
Wtf?!!
Go Away!
Title: Water change?
Post by: Brett on August 09, 2012, 08:53:35 AM
Spammer has been given the boot.  

Hmmm...means Rotormotor\'s post is a little out of context though... prod me if you want me to nuke it Mr Rotormotor :)
Title: Water change?
Post by: grinder on August 09, 2012, 07:51:30 PM
LOL .. yeah it does read a bit random in the middle of a thread
Title: Water change?
Post by: Big Al on August 09, 2012, 10:47:36 PM
I agree with Grinder... I thought I\'d upset Rotormotor for a moment :confused:, until I read Bretts contribution.
 
Thanks to Arnie and Mir for the helpful info, looks like I\'ll be changing water and antifreeze soon :yes
 
Cheers Al.
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 10, 2012, 12:53:16 AM
I have sent emails to a reputable Rotary Engine Builders arround the globe to ascertain a best possible answer for your question BigAl.

Here is the Answer of RotaryEvolution of Las Vegas


Quote:
Originally Posted by Syed
Hi There

I have a question for you. How often do you think we should change water in our beloved rotary engine. I read it somewhere that every 1 or 2 year water change is recommended.

Can you please enlighten me.

Thank you very much

Mir
From London UK

Answer from RotaryEvolution:

if the system hasn\'t been kept well in the past i would recommend once a year for a few years to get much of the junk out of the system. if it has been well maintained then i would recommend every other year to drain and refill it with 50/50 coolant/distilled water.

-Ben

Thanks
Mir

More answers will be added here for you BigAl :)
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 10, 2012, 03:52:35 AM
Answer of ChipsMotorsports.


"If you are running straight water, every year.

Chip U"

Builder of the following project aka my dream project: http://www.rx7club.com/build-threads-292/my-never-ending-20b-ppt-t56-8-8-project-970923/

Cheers Mir
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 10, 2012, 11:39:34 AM
Re: Question

Answer from Hayward Rotary:

It depends on the coolant as you can get 5 year or 2 year or 3 year.
We allways use the 5 year antifreeze as its top quality and also perfect for the mix of iron and ally in the engine.It shouldnt need changing for the 5 years really.

Regards
Carl
Title: Water change?
Post by: Big Al on August 13, 2012, 04:20:04 PM
Mir,
Thank you s much for all of the extra effort you put into answering my question. I found it all very interesting and I\'m sure others will have also done so.
 
Cheers
Al.
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 13, 2012, 06:04:36 PM
Quote from: Big Al;832721Mir,
Thank you s much for all of the extra effort you put into answering my question. I found it all very interesting and I\'m sure others will have also done so.
 
Cheers
Al.

Not a problem mate :)

I am always here to help

Mir
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 16, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
Reply from Arron Cake

"There is a maintenance schedule in the FSM for the year of your vehicle. Every year seems excessive to me unless you store the car over the winter. Two years should be fine. 30/70 mix of ethylene glycol and water unless you see very cold temps in which case it should be 50/50."


Cheers
Mir
Title: Water change?
Post by: Mir on August 22, 2012, 12:12:38 PM
Reply from Howard Coleman:

"thanks for the mail... the MOST important coolant advice is to always use (only) distilled water along w antifreeze. i would suggest changing every 2 years..."

Mir