i was always under the impression that the rx7 was in a lower road tax bracket.... is it just the FD that has cheaper tax?, mine says £118 for 6 month
Sounds about right...
my UK FC is full price ( £118 for 6 months ) the JDM FC is £130 a year
stupid system really .. although my JDM one WAS full price , i just re-registered it as a 1.3 ;)
grinder.. mine is a jdm turbo II.
how do i go about changing it then?
What is the CC on your log book, tax on older cars is done on CC. If your log book sayus 2354cc (like most uk log books) then its in the higher braket, if its 1308cc (like it should be) then you pay less. I guess you could just send the log book off and try and change it to 1308cc, but they might have had a million people try it before you?
Think yourselves lucky, just about to pay mine - £460!! :eek
martin ... CC on logbook is 2654cc ......
so shud it be 1308cc ???
Well the rotary engine is indeed 1308cc, but the uk double the FD and the RX-8 (2616) for taxation purposes. The UKDM FC\'s are usually 2354cc on the logbook, but the truth is the Mazda 13b engine is 1308cc, not sure why your says 2645cc thought sounds like someones right ballsed that up on registry!
so either way it aint right then?, and with mine being a jdm fc i should be on the cheap tax bracket?
my fd is about £70-£75 for 6 months, cant remember exactly, would have expected your fc to be the same
Quote from: wolfie1;813219my fd is about £70-£75 for 6 months, cant remember exactly, would have expected your fc to be the same
Yours being perhaps an import might be registered as a 1.3, before 2001 tax was either above 1549cc or below 1549cc, £71.50 for 6 months if below (ie registered as a 1.3) or £118.25 if above 1549cc (ie registered as a 2.4 or 2.6) my UK spec FC is registered in the above 1549cc bracket.
Quote from: rising son;813207so either way it aint right then?, and with mine being a jdm fc i should be on the cheap tax bracket?
It should be down as a 2.6 ltr really but most people put down the equivalent cubic size of 1308cc when registered on import which isnt technically incorrect. I believe the dvla
decided to tax them as a 2.6ltr as another engine size of equivalent output. Theres not really a right ot wrong, just luck of the draw when you buy an rx.
Id be interested to know how people have re-registered cars without the dvla questioning it.
I think some people have managed it by showing proof from the manufacter stating the actual displacement, but its better than it being taxxed on CO2 like the RX8s etc
Quote from: m1tch;813241I think some people have managed it by showing proof from the manufacter stating the actual displacement, but its better than it being taxxed on CO2 like the RX8s etc
I got a letter from mazda stating 1308cc so sent it off with a note and my log book to the dvla and got my new log book...with nothing changed:Grrr
Quote from: Kamatari;813364I got a letter from mazda stating 1308cc so sent it off with a note and my log book to the dvla and got my new log book...with nothing changed:Grrr
The best option is at rebuild time, get a different engine number and change it with that.
The dvla are now wise to this and to my knowledge you will find it very hard to get it changed nowadays.
im actualy just off the phone to them, they said if i take my v5, tax disk, mot, insurance and documentation stating the correct CC to my local dvla office (glasgow), they will change over the tax disks for me the same day and sort it out, will also re-emburse any moneys owed from the tax.... just need to figure out how to get evidence of the actual CC... will a mazda dealer do this?
neil what do you mean by "wise to this" ? technicaly speaking im in the right am i not?
I don\'t mean its wrong or anything, mine is 1308 on log book but something technical to do with rotary only having 3 combustion cycles which affects our calculated cubic capacity,or something
Somebody throw me a bone here
i know what you mean bud ;)
ill chance it at the dvla anyway... dont ask dont get eh
Too right , anything that saves you money these days
Quote from: B.Martin;813368The best option is at rebuild time, get a different engine number and change it with that.
What engine number? All the housings are interchangable lol
I don\'t have my log book to hand, but I\'m sure it states an engine number?
Quote from: B.Martin;813448I don\'t have my log book to hand, but I\'m sure it states an engine number?
Where would you get the number from though?
Quote from: rising son;813388im actualy just off the phone to them, they said if i take my v5, tax disk, mot, insurance and documentation stating the correct CC to my local dvla office (glasgow), they will change over the tax disks for me the same day and sort it out, will also re-emburse any moneys owed from the tax.... just need to figure out how to get evidence of the actual CC... will a mazda dealer do this?
neil what do you mean by "wise to this" ? technicaly speaking im in the right am i not?
Let us know about this mate, be interesting to see how you get on.
Quote from: m1tch;813449Where would you get the number from though?
My log book states both a chassis and engine number, the engine number is 13BE009xxx.
So it must have one somewhere or it wouldn\'t be on the log book.
i found a load of specs on mazdas site , so printed it all out , highlighted them in yellow , sent it off with the V5 and a nice letter saying please change it .. and they did !! :D
Hmmmmmmm, this is very interesting. We should all do this, its quite a saving!
nice 1 grinder... any idea where you found this?
errrrrrrrrrrrrrr................. now your asking
im sure there "was" a thread about it somewhere ??
cant find the info anywhere :(
im sure i made it a sticky aswell .. sorry chaps
when im back at work , i will check on the works PC aswell
Quote from: rising son;813388im actualy just off the phone to them, they said if i take my v5, tax disk, mot, insurance and documentation stating the correct CC to my local dvla office (glasgow), they will change over the tax disks for me the same day and sort it out, will also re-emburse any moneys owed from the tax.... just need to figure out how to get evidence of the actual CC... will a mazda dealer do this?
neil what do you mean by "wise to this" ? technicaly speaking im in the right am i not?
Interesting, maybe if i take my v5 and the letter i have from mazda and any other information to my local dvla office i might get another chance
Tell them its an import and there was a mistake when it was registered.
thats what im goin with martin... mine is a jdm 1 anyway
Yeah go for i im gonna do it when i come back to the uk, by the way my name is Ben, Martin in my surname ;)
I have a mate over here that made the same mistake, took me about a month to actually tell him and he almost died of embarrassment.
Let me know how you get on with it.
lol cheers ben, will do
Right guys, sorry to resurect an old thread but i\'ve been on the phone to the DVLA today about this very subject. To get the log book changed from 2354cc to 1308cc all you need is a letter from Mazda stating the the car is infact a 1308cc and not 2354cc, i spoke to Mazda in Nottingham and a friendly guy there has said he can do that for me.
Now let me tell you an amusing story, as you all know i\'m over in Cyprus where, might i add the law on Rotary Enginged vehicles is that they are 1308cc. When bringing a car to Cyprus you have to pay an import duty on my car @ 1308cc the duty is around €150. Now on the same car but with a CC of 2354cc that price suddenly becomes €2500!!!
This is also the same with the actual \'registry costs\' to register the car as 1308cc the price is €100 and registry on 2354cc is €1500. And get this Rotary owners, the road tax on 1308cc in Cyprus is €100 p/a and on the 2354cc the road tax is €500 p/a!!! Of course becuase i\'m English no one is preppared to help me with this so i have to do it myself in order not to be ripped off.
The first scentence should help people out that want to change this though :)
See i had a letter from mazda saying this, so i sent it all off the first time and then i had everything returned with a letter saying no basically :(
I\'d love to get this changed so any tips would be good
Also, from people that have managed to get the log book changed to say 1308c, has insurance worked out any better or do you still have to get insured as a 2354c?
Ah your insuring an RX7 mate, its done on the insurance group not on the CC ;)
im sure that when i did mine , i changed the log book aswell .. im sure there is an engine size box , so i updated the to 1308 cc
I doubt very much that you\'ll get it down to 1308cc now :confused: The last RX7 i got through as a 1308cc was around a year ago then some smart ass youngster picked me up on it :2Mad
I got a call from that lovely person saying that the volumetric output is that of a 2616cc to which i replied that the form asks only for the cc and not an \'ouput\'. I refused to pay the extra until i was informed the tax disc would be cancelled leaving the vehicle untaxed that would lead to it being clamped...............i shall post you a cheque then i said as i\'d already sold it and didn\'t need the grief!!
Best of luck but don\'t hold your breath!!
I have been very lucky with Brighton DVLA, registered 3 cars recently as 1308, but the 3rd one got picked up by a different person processing the documents and had to be registered as 2616. Although with planned changes and possible closure of all local DVLA offices, it will mean all paperwork goes directly to Swansea and I cant see any getting registered as 1308
Perhaps your right, hopefully they will view my circumstances as different as I am exporting. Hope so anyway because frankly the car isn\'t worth the amount charged for either the import tax or the registry fee\'s!
Quote from: rx-dave;820644I got a call from that lovely person saying that the volumetric output is that of a 2616cc to which i replied that the form asks only for the cc and not an \'ouput\'.
Just so everyone is aware of the mathematical logic involved in this calculation (it\'s not just doubled arbitrarily), it\'s like this...
We start with a 2 rotor engine of 1308cc...
Each rotor actually has 3 combustion chambers so 1308 * 3 = 3924cc
But each stroke take 1.5 times longer than a piston engine so 3924 / 1.5 = 2616cc (as on the RX8 V5C)
However, I have yet to work out where the 2354cc comes from on the FC V5Cs, I\'m still working on it, I\'ll let you know when/if I find out.
i suppose you can do
3924 / 1.6666 = 2354
But thats an odd number to calc by ?
What would the result be based on the 12a capacity? Perhaps they based it on the FB RX-7 so they could charge on importation.
A 12a, using those calculations, would be 2292...
I don\'t know what a V5C would actually say for a 12a engined car though
What about a doubled 12a? What is a 12a\'s official capacity?
Mine was really cheap tax, till they changed the bands :(
(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x71/TRINDMASTER/b362648d.jpg)
How is it 650 lol?
Quote from: Speedline Imports;820647I have been very lucky with Brighton DVLA, registered 3 cars recently as 1308, but the 3rd one got picked up by a different person processing the documents and had to be registered as 2616. Although with planned changes and possible closure of all local DVLA offices, it will mean all paperwork goes directly to Swansea and I cant see any getting registered as 1308
all offices closing???:Hammer:eek:eek, my nearest is Bristol and been several times sorting stuff out, very nervous about posting them docs takes an age and when you have to ring to chase complete nightmare with awful automated phone system that won\'t let you speak to an operated and cuts you off.
i best get down to my local office then!
Hopefully i will pop down to the dvla office today, anyone got any extra tips/info that might help me out?
Quote from: Kamatari;824282Hopefully i will pop down to the dvla office today, anyone got any extra tips/info that might help me out?
Tips, don\'t eat yellow snow and don\'t use cheap toilet paper your finger goes through. :evillaugh
*prints out post*
So when i go down to the dvla, say i want to change the engine size, if they ask for proof, i\'ll say ive got your proof right here and present them that whilst giving them "the nod"
I got a email sent from my local mazda dealer including my chassis number etc.
Well i went down and spoke to them, they looked it all over and said it was fine...BUT...they still have to send it off for it to get changed as they can\'t do it there :(
Heres hoping that having a dvla office stamp etc holds more weight
Don\'t fancy your chances up there without a letter and a bloody good reason.
Hi,
I now own the rx7 that rising son originally posted this thread for.
Once a received the documents in my name I went to the dvla office in Glasgow with as much supporting evidence as i could gather. We even had a V5 from another import fc we have registered as a 1300, handbook extracts and mazda parts letters quoting the engine size.
They seemed quite helpful but said that they just need to take photo copy and speak to someone in their main office.
Two days later i get a phone call from a dvla man who has been well versed on rotorys and said that they can not change the cc details of an rx7 import after it has been initially registered in the country, so im stuck with paying tax for 2.6 !!
this guy had been well prep\'d and knew exactly what say for every argument,
I hope you guys have more luck at your local offices!!
I\'m having the same fun in Cyprus, but the law here states that the car should be taxed as a 1308cc. They\'re just being arse\'s because i\'m English i think.
Quote from: B.Martin;824376Don\'t fancy your chances up there without a letter and a bloody good reason.
Well i went in with a letter so *fingers crossed*
I\'ve sent 2 over here in Cyprus ;)
I just bought 2 (both early FCs).. The vert is a turbo and on the dvla database as a 1.3. The coupe is on the database as a 2.6.
My main problem is where I live in London the council charge you for the size of your engine because of emissions... bearing in mind that a car produces no emmisions when parked. 1300cc=75 quid / 2500+cc=391 quid!!!
Anyway even though the coupe is for sale I will try my luck with amending the V5 with as much printed documentation as possible, including a letter from Mazda. From what people have said it is down to chance so if I get a rejection I will re-send to another local office and so on :D
Quote from: TRIND-FD;824285Tips, don\'t eat yellow snow and don\'t use cheap toilet paper your finger goes through. :evillaugh
:rollin:rollin:D:Giggle
Quote from: B.Martin;821016How is it 650 lol?
When it blows , it only runs on one rotor ;) lol 650 cc
I\'ve had to apply to the uk dvla for a change on my log book, my circumstances are alot different mind.
did you get anywhere with this Kamatari?
Sadly not, simplified answer is no they wont change it :)