So i get home from work , and check my post
I have a lovely letter from the Motor Insurance People and the DVLA
Because i have uninsured the JDM Cab and swappd it over to the white one , AND left it taxed ... they sent me a letter saying that they are going to fine me unless i do something about it
Yes , i slightly understand where they are coming from , but im GIVING them free money .. yet they want to fine me
I have to take action with IMMEDIATE effect or i will get a fine .. so i get fined for NOT claiming the tax back
I then spend 15 mins on hold to the MID people .. at the moment , they are only sending random people letters .. yeah thats fair .. so not everyone gets a letter .. i see a flaw in the system here
They also dont state how long it takes to be "fined" in the letter - but the chap said its about 4 weeks .. well why not put it IN the letter
I then asked why its taken them 4 months to write to me , yet i have 4 weeks to get it sorted .. again no real answer and that the computer picks random people
OK - im slightly annoyed at this .. so they only way they knew to write to me is because i went to the hassle of insuring the car and then taxing it
So in theory , buy a car , dont tax or insure it , and your invisible to the new system .. it is just me or am i missing something here
What a shower of idiots .. really not impressed
The bloke on the phone could see where i was coming from , but he says that its a new system and they are ironing out the quirks , in the next breath he says that it was law from Feb 2010 ( im sure he said 2010 , could have been 2011 )
Even so thats a MIN of 12 months to get a system that works .. is it too much to ask
I know that motorist are easy targets , but come on this is just silly
Im tempted to write a letter when i decalare the car off road ( and claim my tax back ) saying that due to there new system they could have kept the cash , but no i want it back
Im also tempted to state that due to the fact that its taken them 4 months to write to me , can i back date it to that point ( yeah i can see that happening ! )
IDIOTS all of them ......... < Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr >
And the country\'s clamp on the motorist tightens more...
dvla are just................ useless. like you said, i think your right dont tax or insure and your invisible on their systems, as long as you avoid the road tax cams and are driving about in the country, they would never find you. in my opinion they should be paying US for improving the quality of cars on the road - Ford KA\'s etc, they are ugly mofos, and should pay more for it.
I remember a lot noise about this a few years ago - they basically made it an offence to have a car that was taxed and not MOT\'d & Insured. The idea was to try and force the unisured/MOT cars off the road... they just didn;t get that it would screw a lot of people who might only use a car for a few months of the year.
The DVLA/DVLC is a monster.
I dont get the whole concept of "random selection" by computers! Why not just say when we had the advent of sorn, if you dont declare your car sorn within one month of the tax running out, automatic fine, no random selection!
The irony is once again, these measures are bought in to try and stop tax evasion, insurance, mot etc but the people that didnt care about such things, still dont, as Grinder says, they will be invisable probably driving around in cars not registered to them anyway!!
Anyway, scrap the whole tax/sorn b****ks, its outdated and a waste of time, staff and money. Put 0.1 of a penny on a litre of fuel and be done with it, no one can evade it, everyone pays and the more miles on the roads people do, the more they get taxed, sounds fair to me!
i once worked it out at 10p a litre and they would make millions and you could still save money on car tax
that advantge is the people who do 30K a year then pay for it - and me and the rex that only does about 800 miles a year .. nice and cheap
OR
keep road tax , but have it come with 3rd party insurance like in Aus
Quote from: grinder;811845i once worked it out at 10p a litre and they would make millions and you could still save money on car tax
that advantge is the people who do 30K a year then pay for it - and me and the rex that only does about 800 miles a year .. nice and cheap
OR
keep road tax , but have it come with 3rd party insurance like in Aus
They dont half seem to make it hard for themselves in this country. :rollin
Mind you, imagine all the uproar from the civil servants loosing their job because there is no road tax!
10p a litre, thats a bit generous from you dude. 10k miles a year n a 25mpg car works out at 1800 litres, 1p on that and the jobs a good un!
yeah i suppose mate
1p nice and easy !! LOL
or cut the middle at 5p
i got £100 fine for having a car with tax, with mot, just NO insurance.
Car has been in drive since insurance ran out and not even moved, literally yet still get fined without driving it and not even kept on the road.
If i was driving it then fair enough but its just sat there...
If I was you a wouldn\'t be messing with the MIB (Men In Black) they can erase your memory and deal with Aliens.:rollin:rollin
Come on I\'m not the only one that was thinking that when I read the title surely??
im just thinking, if i bought a car with tax n mot, but didnt insure it that day (say you brought it back on a flatbed), you would be eligible for the fine... i just dont see how that makes sense to those dvla peeps.
Saying that, perhaps swansea is not the best place to put the DVLA. they have redone the roads into the city, and its a complete balls up. for example. there is one section where all you can do is go straight ahead, not left, not right, just ahead. how many Traffic lights you reckon you need. 1, perhaps 2 for extra visibility?
no.
9. Nine lights for one side of a junction. complete waste of taxpayers money!!!!!!
Quote from: Sukhoi_Flagon;811874complete waste of taxpayers money!!!!!!
the story of Britain.
Quote from: Grant Monkhouse;811871If I was you a wouldn\'t be messing with the MIB (Men In Black) they can erase your memory and deal with Aliens.:rollin:rollin
Come on I\'m not the only one that was thinking that when I read the title surely??
Yep, time I see the heading :Giggle
Shaun
Quote from: L18M;811858i got £100 fine for having a car with tax, with mot, just NO insurance.
Car has been in drive since insurance ran out and not even moved, literally yet still get fined without driving it and not even kept on the road.
If i was driving it then fair enough but its just sat there...
thats EXACTLY what they are trying to do with me
Did they send you a letter first ???
Quote from: grinder;811899thats EXACTLY what they are trying to do with me
Did they send you a letter first ???
I would also say i got stopped once for being on the phone, they did a check and came back and said the car isnt insured!!! After some messing about, they phoned my insurance company to find out it was insured they just hadnt added to the database when i took out the insurance 3 months earlier!
Doesnt seem this system is very sensible or well thought through, surprisingly!
Quote from: grinder;811899thats EXACTLY what they are trying to do with me
Did they send you a letter first ???
only found out about fine from the letter.
ah , thats not good , gonna go to the PO on Monday and get the forms for sending the tax disc back
don\'t get me started on the DVLA, we had a V5 reg document come to us in a name we never heard of and a vehicle we\'d never seen, called up the DVLA to make them aware, absolutely no interest whatsoever, I think I would\'ve been more satisfies if they\'d just told me to f*** off.
These new laws on tax/insurance/MOT all having to be on are confusing the hell out of me too... what\'s the deal? if you have MOT you have to have tax and insurance too?
Nah , if the car is TAXED it HAS to be INSURED
Its simple in theory .. but very silly
i reckon its to stop people insuring their car , taxing it and then cancelling the insurance
Ok, but if someone\'s willing to drive around with no insurance they wouldn\'t bother with tax either?
Nail - Head = Bingo and a sore head!
I got a fine as 1 of my motors did not show up on the MID database! despite being insured since 2008, when i checked my others half where half weren\'t ......spoke with insurers all sorted but trying to get through to right dvla department a complete knightmare!
......how to speak to a person quickly at DVLA press 4444 ! missing out all the recorded messages!
Then i had a Ford KA in CO OP for sale that i drove there insured on my trade policy from MOT station that was clamped for having no tax as a Supermarket carpark is now classed as public highway! £340 to sort that out!
There sneaky and dish out fines when a simple letter would suffice!
I am all for impounding and crushing cars that the owners blatantly drive on the roads with no license, no mot no tax but the honest man trying to earn a few quid and have a 2nd car on his driveway to be fined for no tax/no insured cause its winter is crazy.
my pennies worth....you cant beat em ! but you could always send them a turd in the post!!!!
Quote from: boosted;812514I am all for impounding and crushing cars that the owners blatantly drive on the roads with no license, no mot no tax but the honest man trying to earn a few quid and have a 2nd car on his driveway to be fined for no tax/no insured cause its winter is crazy
Isnt this is the issue at hand, the people that do any of the above. As said before they dont care and never will, their cars are probably worth sweet fa and what they have save in insurance and tax means they can afford to have it scraped. It is as you say, the law abiding citizen who suffers with confusing systems and endless amounts of paperwork to make sure we comply!
Road tax - scrap it and take the money from fuel duty, even if it goes up a bit
Insurance - a scheme of sorts that means everyone who drives on the road is insured 3rd party
then there is no paperwork, no cost, less staff, less over heads, no confusion and its a fair system for all and the conscious arent once again subsidising the ones who dont care!
I agree Jet Pilot.... fuel duty the way to go the more mileage you do the more you pay simples ! ......this country\'s system is flawed! Stick a round perforated disc in your window! The new tax classes are daft take the 56 plate rx8 or 3/6 MPS when these car are 15 years old nobody\'s gonna want to tax a car at £450 a year they\'ll be free to collector....
Another thing that grates is you get a reminder for tax but not for MOT so if your not car minded you drive about in potentially an unsafe car....I:flamed guess you get reminded as you owe them money!