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Title: Cruise ship sinking...
Post by: Brett on January 15, 2012, 09:29:23 AM
...anyone else wondering how the hell they managed to do that?  It does that route pretty much every week?!? :Hammer
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Post by: CharlieP on January 15, 2012, 09:33:20 AM
I heard it was off course by a fair way, pretty sure that what they said on CH4 News
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Post by: m1tch on January 15, 2012, 09:47:01 AM
All aboard the fail boat!
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Post by: wolfie1 on January 15, 2012, 10:43:55 AM
what cruise ship?
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Post by: Will66 on January 15, 2012, 11:03:41 AM
This one! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16560050)

I think that the Captain is going to be charged with negligence and failure to keep an accurate plot on his position.
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Post by: m1tch on January 15, 2012, 11:03:59 AM
The one that partly sank

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16564789
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Post by: wolfie1 on January 15, 2012, 11:54:46 AM
holy crap thats mental and so close to shore as well but if there is a plus side it is close to the shore! hope nobody died!
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Post by: Brett on January 15, 2012, 12:12:42 PM
3 dead so far, 2 seriously injured and at least 1 still trapped onboard.
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Post by: Will66 on January 15, 2012, 12:28:13 PM
If you park your 90,000 tonne cruise liner at that angle people tend not be in too good a shape.
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Post by: kiwimazda on January 15, 2012, 12:52:23 PM
Quote from: Will66;807251If you park your 90,000 tonne cruise liner at that angle people tend not be in too good a shipshape.

:Thumbs-up
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Post by: wolfie1 on January 15, 2012, 01:31:16 PM
whats that old cruise ship disaster movie (not titanic) that comes to mind
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Post by: kiwimazda on January 15, 2012, 01:33:01 PM
Posieden excuse my spelling
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Post by: m1tch on January 15, 2012, 01:39:20 PM
At last I can finally use this image correctly (not the cruise ship btw)

(http://www.shipmentoffail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/failboat.jpg)
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Post by: wolfie1 on January 15, 2012, 02:03:45 PM
thanks kiwimazda the poieden adventure
 
m1tch how long you been waiting to use that then?
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Post by: Brett on January 15, 2012, 10:28:52 PM
Maybe the captain was trying to drift it into the mooring spot and it went wrong?
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Post by: Will66 on January 15, 2012, 10:56:49 PM
It\'s got azipods, that\'s cheating for berthing!
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Post by: rx7boy on January 16, 2012, 12:50:45 AM
Insurance Fraud !! :driving
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Post by: oyvindjs on January 16, 2012, 07:42:23 AM
The ship apparently hit some reefs/rocks about 300 metres from shore, an unmarked reef. And trust me, there are millions of unmarked reefs, the norwegian coast is littered with em and you need very local knowledge to know about em. When the cruiseliner hit the reef, the captain was at first sitting in the restaurant, as is normal on cruiseliners. The bridge officer was on the bridge. As normal seamanship and emergency routines dictate, if it is concidered safe, running the ship ashore gently is an accepted manouver and it possibly saved lifes here. That ship is salvagable as it is now as the damage is visible and in broad daylight. Airbags on the underside of the ship, close off the damage by wielding hullplates over the damaged area, and tow the ship to dry dock.
On the other hand, the captain is facing 12 years in jail for leaving the ship long before every passenger and crewmember was safely off the damaged vessel.
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Post by: Will66 on January 16, 2012, 09:32:36 AM
My question would be what were they doing 300m off shore without the Captain on the Bridge.  I\'ve been an Officer of the Watch in warships for over 7 years and we never take ships that close to shore without having all watch-keepers and the Captain on the Bridge.  If there were uncharted navigational hazards in the area and they had to be in that close to shore why didn\'t they have a pilot onboard to advise the bridge where they were and to keep them clear.  If it were me I certainly wouldn\'t have beached her on that shore either, it\'s rocky and if the tide fell then she\'d have become unstable and potentially turned over, cutting off escape routes when the tide rose again.

Personally I reckon her watchkeeper was trusting his electronic system too much and not looking out of the window.  They don\'t drive those sort of ships through poorly surveyed coastal waters without a pilot onboard, the risk is too great.  His Electronic Charting system may have picked up an error, it\'s not common but it can happen, it\'s why Officer\'s of the Watch on warships have to take a traditional fix and plot it on the Electronic Charting System at regular intervals from an independent source to ensure the system is working correctly.
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Post by: oyvindjs on January 16, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
maybe its a case of "mediterranian mañana mañana" ? ;)
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Post by: 1990_fc3s_t2 on January 16, 2012, 10:44:12 AM
I heard today the captain went off coarse to wave at somebody he knew onshore! Damn...:(
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Post by: billybobbooth on January 18, 2012, 06:01:21 PM
least they didnt build the biggest cruse ship around and hit something and sink because im pretty sure ive hurd that story before.
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Post by: hayden on January 19, 2012, 10:01:37 AM
Quote from: billybobbooth;807963least they didnt build the biggest cruse ship around and hit something and sink because im pretty sure ive hurd that story before.
Isn\'t that pretty much exactly what they\'ve done :xconfused
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Post by: Arnie_O on January 19, 2012, 10:31:39 AM
Quote from: billybobbooth;807963least they didnt build the biggest cruse ship around and hit something and sink because im pretty sure ive hurd that story before.

Hmm sounds familiar i guess they did it to mark the 100 year anniversary of the original.
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Post by: billybobbooth on January 23, 2012, 06:55:33 AM
I do think its a major thing and do feel for the family and people involved but surly people should look at history before they build these things. On a good note least well get a film out of this.
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Post by: Will66 on January 23, 2012, 08:01:00 AM
Titanic sunk due to procedures being incorrectly followed and the mistaken belief that it was unsinkable.
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Post by: B.Martin on January 23, 2012, 08:44:23 AM
I\'ve read loads of conspiracies about the titanic, some are pretty interesting.
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Post by: Will66 on January 23, 2012, 09:06:11 AM
They didn\'t close doors on it and the safety procedures were poor.
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Post by: B.Martin on January 23, 2012, 09:24:35 AM
I remember reading about the Titanic and the Olympic and it being a massive insurance thing, highly unlikely but very interesting non the less.
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Post by: Brett on January 23, 2012, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: Will66;807445My question would be what were they doing 300m off shore without the Captain on the Bridge.  I\'ve been an Officer of the Watch in warships for over 7 years and we never take ships that close to shore without having all watch-keepers and the Captain on the Bridge.  If there were uncharted navigational hazards in the area and they had to be in that close to shore why didn\'t they have a pilot onboard to advise the bridge where they were and to keep them clear.  If it were me I certainly wouldn\'t have beached her on that shore either, it\'s rocky and if the tide fell then she\'d have become unstable and potentially turned over, cutting off escape routes when the tide rose again.

Personally I reckon her watchkeeper was trusting his electronic system too much and not looking out of the window.  They don\'t drive those sort of ships through poorly surveyed coastal waters without a pilot onboard, the risk is too great.  His Electronic Charting system may have picked up an error, it\'s not common but it can happen, it\'s why Officer\'s of the Watch on warships have to take a traditional fix and plot it on the Electronic Charting System at regular intervals from an independent source to ensure the system is working correctly.

Exactly... you don\'t move a 100,000ton vessel that close to shore without assistance from the local pilot.
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Post by: Will66 on January 23, 2012, 02:43:19 PM
Certainly not after you\'ve only done it "3 or 4 times before".