Since a week ago I have a small daily commuter car, to save of fuel costs and mileage on my FD.
Somehow, my FD is disappointed now, and she won\'t start.
She was parked up down the street and I started her, moved her to a parking space in front of my house (200 meters), and left her there.
This morning I wanted to take her for a spin but she won\'t start.
The engine turns over, but won\'t fire.
Is she flooded? Or could it be something else?
Most probably flooded but don\'t leave it like this for too long. Either get your plugs out or tow start it, give it a good run and mext time make sure it\'s properly warm before you switch it off and all should be good again :burnout
Yep sounds like flooded, I only move my car if I know its going to get up to temp before shutdown, try a deflood procedure :)
If its badly flooded the easiest and most time efficent way of clearing it is for someone to tow you for a while with ignition on and in 2nd gear plus.
I\'m going to try later on today with the regular "pull EGI fuse, crank for 30 secs, replace fuse, then start" first.... If that fails, I guess we\'ll try tow-starting her....
Spent the last hour with the regular deflood procedure. Still won\'t start.
Not even a sputter or cough, she just keeps cranking.
It\'s getting dark out now, I\'m getting :censored::censored::censored::censored:ed off, trying again tomorrow.....
if its badly flooded then just cranking over for 30 seconds with the plugs and egi fuse out isnt going to do it.
Put the battery on charge over nights and also leave the plugs out.
Tomorrow connect another car via jump leads and have it running/if you have a person to help have them hold steady 2k revs to ensure the alternator is giving some good power.
Still with the egi fuse & plugs out turn over the engine for 5 seconds bursts. You will need to do this 20+ times to ensure all fuel is out.
Clean your plugs up and if you have the facility to do so (oven) heat them up so they are nice and hot. put them in carefully not to burn yourself. replace egi fuse.
Get in car, push your foot on throttle completely to the floor and keep it there. Make sure your friend or other car is still running & connected.
Try and start car with foot still planted to the floor, DO NOT release your foot until the car is running well. Yes it will rev a little high and will smoke like a :censored::censored::censored::censored::censored: but its going to be covered in fuel oil so you will need to burn it off. If you release your foot to early you will reflood the car and sucks to be you.
Tow starting it is the easiest method.You may need to give it some accelerator and may take a wee bit to get it going, then drive it for a good way to get it really warm.
The cause is probably because you only drove it for a very short distance.
Don\'t do short hops in the car and also whenever you switch the motor off take revs to 3000 and then when igntion is killed put foot to the floor on accelerator pedal and keep it there till engine stops turning, that should help it never to flood again.
Regards
Carl
I was under the impression that you should run the car gently before switch off so the turbos cool down. Won\'t flooring the gas when turned off be counter productive for this ??? Also revving the car from cold ? Or are these just things you do when flooded ?
3 k is not that high really. Doing what Carl says helps prevent flooding and wash.
Quote from: RyanT;800668I was under the impression that you should run the car gently before switch off so the turbos cool down. Won\'t flooring the gas when turned off be counter productive for this ??? Also revving the car from cold ? Or are these just things you do when flooded ?
When you turn the engine off but with the revs at 3000 rpm the injectors turn off as does spark so no fuel is entering the engine, but with the throttle held down flat once key is turned off the engine gets alot of air which also helps to "dry out" the engine and prevent further flooding.
Its a good habit to get into.
wat the lads have said is true im new to rotarys too and had this problem. im compiling a post for all new to rotary of do\'s and donts iv learned things like flooding etc. i found it easiest to take out the plugs clean them heat them to dry them and while there still warm slap them back in and give it a tow start instant start. if your running a high fuel rate newbies let the car warm and turn it off like carl said little bit of throttle saves so much hassle iv learned the hard way :) newbie post should be ready by the weekend
The engine isn\'t flooded, found out today that my fuel pump is dying. Not enough fuel pressure to turn the engine over.
When we compress the return line the engine almost catches on (sputters a bit), but when the clamp is taken off the return line, it just cranks.
So, who can sort me with a new fuel pump urgently???
ebay but dont go for a cheapy generic 1 they just dont cut it, i had 1 in mine and it gave me no end of greif!
Just bought a genuine Walbro off eBay.
Here\'s hoping it\'ll solve all issues.
Hey Kenji
I\'m in the same position as you, I have a coolant leak so haven\'t been driving it and only started it the other day to move it around. I went to get into today (very cold, car had ice all over it) and it cranked over but no joy.
My battery is now dead, so down to the auto-parts store tomorrow and then gonna get some wire brush, a trickle charger and clean up the plugs, pull EGI fuse and crank over with plugs out for a bit.
Hope she\'ll start up, because I\'m not in a position to tow start her. I\'ve nowhere to attach a tow hook? Also don\'t have a second car to help.
Me too, Just been through this, non starter for two weeks. Coolant leaks, flooded, dead battery. Not fun at all. Got her going yesterday finnally. Try new leads and plugs Gav, seemed to help me. Wire brush may not help you, I read somewhere if they are left in fuel they\'re done.
The new fuel pump sorted it for me. She wasn\'t flooded at all.
Just had to hook up some jumpleads to my other car to help Rexxie start up, as all the turning her over left the battery drained too.
But with the help of my other car she fired right up. :-)
Glad to hear you have got it sorted matey!
Quote from: Kenji;807095The new fuel pump sorted it for me. She wasn\'t flooded at all.
Just had to hook up some jumpleads to my other car to help Rexxie start up, as all the turning her over left the battery drained too.
But with the help of my other car she fired right up. :-)
The fuel pump was the first thing I upgraded on my FC, didn\'t really trust a 20 year old part to give the fueling the engine needed. It was perhaps a very good thing that the pump failed causing the engine not to start, if the pump had failed/didn\'t pump as well when you were on full boost the engine might have gone lean and you could have lost the engine. Don\'t forget that the Walbro pump due to the higher flow overwhelm the OEM FPR, might be worth upgrading to an aftermarket FPR to keep the fuel pressure constant.
I got mine started tonight.
I used these links:
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=716735
http://www.rx7.com/tech/unflood-fc.html
I also spoke to Jon at AtomicRex who told me to pull the plugs. So I did, I cleaned them up with a wirebrush and she still didn\'t start, but after pulling the EGI fuse, then holding throttle open cranking it, then putting the fuse back trying again and so on (had to do this a few times) she finally kicked over and ran with lots of smoke :).
I could hear it wanting to start just not getting there yet, a couple of times she was running for a second or 2 before dying so just kept at it. Took it for a quick drive and red lined it a few times to try and clear out as much carbon and excess fuel as possible.
I couldn\'t drive for long though as radiator has a slow leak and I don\'t want it to get too hot.
What a pain in the ass, but from now on I\'ll remember always let it run to operating temperature and then shut it off. No quick moves around the backyard.
Quote from: m1tch;807108The fuel pump was the first thing I upgraded on my FC, didn\'t really trust a 20 year old part to give the fueling the engine needed. It was perhaps a very good thing that the pump failed causing the engine not to start, if the pump had failed/didn\'t pump as well when you were on full boost the engine might have gone lean and you could have lost the engine. Don\'t forget that the Walbro pump due to the higher flow overwhelm the OEM FPR, might be worth upgrading to an aftermarket FPR to keep the fuel pressure constant.
Where is the OEM FRP located by the way?
This is why it\'s good to have a fuel pressure gauge in the car I guess. Don\'t want to run lean and go boom.
Now would also be a good time to replace the fuel filter (which is pretty expensive for what it is, but necessary all the same).
Going to replace mine soon. After I sort out this coolant leak :S
BTW is it common for FC/FD fuel pumps to die?