Hi guys
I want to get a set of coilovers for some possible drift action which can also be driven on the street. what would you go for?
Ive seen various sets on ebay, including cusco, and hks and tein. Is there such a difference between the hks hiper d and the hipermax?
any help is appreciated.
Peter
One thing I highly recommend AGAINST is getting used coilovers that you have no history of.
Dampers is a wear and tear item, no matter how good they are they will fail one day.
Getting some second hand Japanese coilovers with no warranty or UK support when things goes wrong isn\'t a great idea.
Too often people spend money on used coilovers, and then find out they failed after a few months.
They end up wasting their money and throwing the suspension in the bin because there is no way to rebuild / repair them in UK, or the cost far too expensive.
or they buy cheap crappy coilovers from the uk get ripped off even though they are cheap which are bone shattering hard and bounce all over the place...
Quote from: MaLicE;792673or they buy cheap crappy coilovers from the uk get ripped off even though they are cheap which are bone shattering hard and bounce all over the place...
for the price of the above mentioned you can buy used twice and have still have a spine :Giggle
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Hyper D is aimed more for drifting
Hypermax is fast road / circuit
hth :)
i am running ohlins coilovers on mine, they have been on for years with no problems whatsoever, so a big thumbs up for them!
Quote from: MaLicE;792673or they buy cheap crappy coilovers from the uk get ripped off even though they are cheap which are bone shattering hard and bounce all over the place...
Sorry, but that is one very old stereotype that isn\'t true anymore.
Aftermarket suspension have came a LONG way in the past few years, and there are many thing for sensible money from the UK with a warranty that will perform, perform well, and be good for daily driving.
The thing is with many JDM suspension, they are design for the track and thus the damper valving and springs rate are too harsh for the UK uneven road surfaces.
Some of the older HKS HyperMax and Cusco are so hard that if you are driving through country road, the car will be skipping over the bumps and not get any traction.
Are they bad suspension? No, it is just they are not being use on the surfaces that they were design to be used on.
Another thing you have to look at warranty and after sales service.
Most JDM suspension have no support in the UK, so once the damper failed they are pretty much destined to the bin.
That mean you just throw money away...
Damper is a wear and tear item, no matter how good they will one day fail.
And even if the damper has not failed, they will not perform as good as when they were new.
Also, another thing I\'ll mention is that Drifting have changed a lot in the past few years also.
Many companies offering "Drift" coilovers were basically normal suspension with very hard low speed damper valving.
The idea is that by increasing the damper valving, you will increase the steering response.
The problem is by increase the damper valving, it actually make the car do worst in drifting because it does not allow the weight to transfer and therefore the car lack traction in the drift.
Anyways, maybe I gone off topics a bit.
But I do hate to see members spend their hard earn money just to be left with a set of leaking damper a few months down the line... Never a good thing.
HSD\'s seem to be some of the most proven drift coil-overs in the UK.
They\'re relatively cheap new
They have helper springs
They have zinc plated threads
They go reasonably soft
Only experience I have with JDM coilovers are Kei office. I won\'t be buying used jdm coilovers ever again
i have driven in cars with meister r coilovers and they are just as bad as i said, i would honestly rather prostate cancer than to run them, plus 2 people i know have had shocks leak within a year!
hsd\'s are very good for the money and are actually comfortable too!
Guys, at the moment I am not a trader at MRC and honestly I just saw what a member said and is trying to offer some advice.
I really don\'t want to turn this into a slagging match for what is better because this wasn\'t the purpose of my post.
Quote from: MaLicE;792801i have driven in cars with meister r coilovers and they are just as bad as i said, i would honestly rather prostate cancer than to run them, plus 2 people i know have had shocks leak within a year!
hsd\'s are very good for the money and are actually comfortable too!
However, if I receive comment like this then I want to hear more about it.
Because so far I have only replace 1 set of dampers under warranty and that was for a Honda Civic.
It was also a freak accident where something contaminated the rubber dust boot causing it to split, it had never happened again.
So if you know 2 people who have a set of leaking MeisterR dampers within a year (and that is under warranty), how come no one contacted me?
They would of got a replacement dampers free next day delivery.
And most people actually like the ride of the MeisterR saying it isn\'t too harsh, but that is subjective so I\'ll let customers feedback decide that.
You can run a search on google to see what other customers say, it would be a bias comment if it came from me.
As far as Drifting / Racing goes... Well, we have pretty good result in 2011.
Championship Winner: 2011 BDC Professional Class
Championship Runner Up: 2011 BDC Super Professional Class
Most Overall Win (8 Race out of 14 Rounds): 2011 Honda VTEC Challenge
Three Podium finish for MeisterR can\'t be that bad, and the suspension has been reliable as all 3 car use the same set of suspension all season.
No failure what so ever and that is under racing condition. :)
Quote from: MaLicE;792801i have driven in cars with meister r coilovers and they are just as bad as i said, i would honestly rather prostate cancer than to run them, plus 2 people i know have had shocks leak within a year!
hsd\'s are very good for the money and are actually comfortable too!
Winding down the springs alot on any set of coil overs can make the ride crap regardless of make. Lowering a car can also bum the geometry which would have a bad effect on the ride
Quote from: dthebuk;792826Winding down the springs alot on any set of coil overs can make the ride crap regardless of make. Lowering a car can also bum the geometry which would have a bad effect on the ride
You will be surprise many owners incorrectly adjust suspension then feel the poor result are from the products.
I normally try to correct them as soon as I see it happen to prevent further damage.
Running springs slack on dual perch coilovers is one Big NO-NO and something that really annoy me.
As it mean the person are throwing out the window all the benefit of a dual perch coilovers and wasting all the time I spend in designing the suspension.
Not to mention it is a MOT failure, so that is not a good idea either.
For a road suspension, you really want to give as much damper stroke travel you can (up to a certain point) as the dampers have to deal with a lot movement from the uneven road surfaces.
The only time I would run a dual perch suspension with a gap on the springs is if you have a light car with a very heavy springs rate (Mainly Full Race Car) because the car is too light to provide any droop travel.
And in those case I really want to make sure a helper springs are in place to take up the droop.
Lowering range is a main concern for many owners with coilovers.
But there are always other way to lower the car without running slack on the springs which I personally feel is detrimental to performance on a road going mono-tube damper suspensions.
I am always happy to help sort something out with the owners but I normally wouldn\'t want to give up too much performance for the ability to slam the car.
Anyways, I think we went quite off topic from the OP questions.
But if there are anything I can help, I am always happy to offer what assistance I can.
Hi guys,
Thanks so much for your posts :-) by the way who are HSD? Not sure I know them.
If I did go with hks hyper d or tein super drift do you think they\'d be horrible around streets and in town?
And just to finish, I reckon we should all splash out on our cars despite our financial situations or worries as the secret word hovering, which has come from various sources spread out globally is that there truly will be a global financial melt down during next year where it has been said that billions of people will literally lose their savings or whatever "digital assists" you have with the bank!! If you look into this properly you will quickly learn that all of the signs are evident and quite obvious, as the money expansion "pyramid system" based on us being in debt, has reached it\'s peak as all pyramids do and now, and by natural rule, we are about to witness the biggest contraction of the money supply the world has ever seen! Basically, the opposite of extreme money expansion!
So what do we do????
We........
Buy that front mount intercooler!
Get those wheels you wanted!
Full interior retrim while your on a roll!
Wouldnt be right without a full professional ice install and a smoke tint!
While it\'s at the garage might as well do the right thing and slam her down with some, some....yep! Brand new coilovers!
Hmmmm so that\'s where it\'s at fellow brethren!
But on serious note, I believe it will happen, so I seriously am gonna buy those wheels etc.
Oh, medication time!
Signing out
Peter
Quote from: winterov78;792844Hi guys,
Thanks so much for your posts :-) by the way who are HSD? Not sure I know them.
If I did go with hks hyper d or tein super drift do you think they\'d be horrible around streets and in town?
The Tein Super Drift will be horrible around street without a doubt.
I have been helping MPH Custom with their V8 FD Drift Car as they just couldn\'t get along with the Tein Super Drift they had for a while.
He even try mixing the Super Drift with other coilovers and just can\'t get the car to squat well to get traction.
The FD is in Portugal right now doing the CPD drift event with a set of MeisterR, I should get some report back from them to see if there are any adjustments I need to make as the V8 weight distribution is slightly different from the normal 13B.
But if your car will be driven on the street, then I can tell you now avoid the Tein Super Drift as they will just be super uncomfortable for normal road use.
HSD make the driftworks coil overs and their own. I\'ve only ever heard positives about them. They go pretty soft which you can see by looking at the dw s15.
I\'ve also heard good things about the meister R\'s for drift use.
I\'m pretty sure the jap coilovers tend to be £300+ more than UK coil overs