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Cars by Model Type => 3rd generation RX-7's => Topic started by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 05, 2011, 06:14:18 PM

Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 05, 2011, 06:14:18 PM
Hi team! :D


What is kinda dangerous water temps for a TO4r singled FD with a koyo racing radiator?

It peaked at 93 the other day and the previous owner told me anything over 90 was bad news. So?

If over 90 is not great for the car then how can I go about avoiding this? I\'m getting a vented bonnet soon, what else?

And no, less right foot is NOT an option! ;)
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: TRIND-FD on September 05, 2011, 06:43:28 PM
Wouldn\'t worry about that temp, if it\'s from hard driving, what temp does your fans come on,
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Looksamc on September 05, 2011, 06:57:06 PM
yea those temps are fine! My fans never come during my running period until 99 :eek: but after mapping they come at 86 :cool
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: StreetracerHCI on September 05, 2011, 07:33:25 PM
is fine temp :)
is important to see the temperature of the oil,to optimize the temperature of the water, I suggest you change the coolant and do a complete purge of the cooling circuit.
My temp is:
temperature in summer in rome 30° 35°
My Oil temp in the traffic 90° is fine, in free road is 80° 85°
My water temp in the traffic 87° 90°occasionally93°, in free road is stable at 84° 85° :D
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 05, 2011, 07:36:26 PM
Good so not to worry if they shoot up from hard driving to mid 90s then? She\'s being mapped again soon so fans should be sorted then.

I\'m buying some new gauges soon, are the stock water temp and oil temp gauges in the dashboard 52mm? Thinking of replacing them with aftermarket gauges to make it look a bit more OEM. ;)
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: TRIND-FD on September 05, 2011, 07:58:57 PM
Have a look on rx7club.com there are some nice matching aftermarket gauges on there, Where they have changed the lot, speedo, rev counter etc.
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 05, 2011, 08:27:46 PM
Well not too bothered about leaving the stock gauges because I\'ll be changing the faces of them anyway to match. :)

What kinda inlet temps are bad as well? I hit 60 degrees in traffic in London the other day. :O
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: StreetracerHCI on September 05, 2011, 08:31:17 PM
are you talking about the air intake temp? read on Apexi Commander?
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 05, 2011, 09:09:33 PM
Yeah man, on the Apexi. :)
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: StreetracerHCI on September 05, 2011, 09:36:36 PM
not have a good intercooler, so I have the same problem.

 with a good intercooler solves the problem, I thought about buying a V-mount kit.
in the traffic 60 is too high , should have 30 35 in the traffic.
hot air less power :(
well free road for me is max 20 in the traffic max 35 40 but it depends on outside temperature :Laugh
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Ricco_04 on September 05, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
Its just the heat soak in traffic you see with the high numbers.

The important thing (I think) is to just bring the temps down to a reasonable level before you give it some punishment once you have left the traffic.
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 06, 2011, 08:08:17 AM
Ok I\'ll bear that in mind. I\'m thinking a cold air feed to the turbo would help right? So it\'s not sucking hot air in then compressing that and making it even hotter!

Anyone one done this on a single? Just saves the legwork so I can easily copy! :D
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: SiH on September 06, 2011, 12:20:50 PM
Don\'t worry too mucha bout the cold air feed -a few degrees won\'t make much difference after it\'s been squashed, expanded, cooled, etc.
Won\'t really help with heatsoak either - the problem there is the sensor getting battered by heat rising from the engine. For best results move the sensor to somewhere not having heat shot at it, (elbow is the usual choice) and ge ta fast reacting temp sensor from eBay.
IMO there are far better things to spend your time and money on than a cold air feed on a turbocharged and intercooled car.

And 90-something is fine for the water - due to the pressure it\'s not even boiling at 100. Start to worry when it\'s up near 120!

Heat is the enemy of these cars. some of the first mods for FD\'s should be radiator and IC IMO.
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 06, 2011, 12:57:30 PM
Awesome cheers for the advice. I\'ll have a look into that sensor and replace it then.

I\'ve already got a Koyo racing rad and a FMIC so hopefully the temperatures won\'t kill her. :)
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: StreetracerHCI on September 06, 2011, 01:12:57 PM
Quote from: SiH;786767Don\'t worry too mucha bout the cold air feed -a few degrees won\'t make much difference after it\'s been squashed, expanded, cooled, etc.
Won\'t really help with heatsoak either - the problem there is the sensor getting battered by heat rising from the engine. For best results move the sensor to somewhere not having heat shot at it, (elbow is the usual choice) and ge ta fast reacting temp sensor from eBay.
IMO there are far better things to spend your time and money on than a cold air feed on a turbocharged and intercooled car.

And 90-something is fine for the water - due to the pressure it\'s not even boiling at 100. Start to worry when it\'s up near 120!

Heat is the enemy of these cars. some of the first mods for FD\'s should be radiator and IC IMO.

where is located the air temperature sensor?
then put a picture?
How about moving it to the elbow?
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Edd1Ninety9 on September 06, 2011, 01:15:38 PM
Not sure yet, I\'ll have a sniff around when I\'m back from work and it stops raining. :(
Title: Water Seal temperature
Post by: Aubec on September 06, 2011, 01:21:42 PM
Seach eBay for RIAT: its a fast reacting air temp sensor, and a direct swap for the existing one under the UIM, no need to relocate the sensor.

Search RX7Club for the big cooling thread - 90 odd degrees is normal temp for these cars: coolant mixes under pressure don\'t boil until well over 110 degrees - and as long as its not boiling you are fine.

Oh, and when you check your temp after turning the engine off, don\'t panic when your water temp is through the roof... its just localised boiling of the water in the turbo and engine block because the waters not being circulated by the pump: its not doing any harm!