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Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 12, 2011, 08:50:19 PM
Hi all,

Anyone have any experience of making up oil cooler lines? Is it something that can be done DIY style or do they have to be ordered to length and crimped etc?

If they are DIYable any pointers to vendors who supply fittings and hose at decent prices?
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: Kenji on January 12, 2011, 08:57:13 PM
I always make them myself, and use braided hoses and AN fittings, like below:
 
(http://www.liquidcooledairpower.com/images/pic_waterhous2_lg.jpg)
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 12, 2011, 09:00:23 PM
Quote from: Kenji;736616I always make them myself, and use braided hoses and AN fittings, like below:
 
(http://www.liquidcooledairpower.com/images/pic_waterhous2_lg.jpg)

Good news!

How much does it roughly cost you to make a hose (say for arguments sake 1 metre long)? Trying to budget various jobs I have left to do.
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: AtomicRex on January 12, 2011, 09:02:24 PM
I have plenty of fittings and hose

I can explain how to make them if need me to
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 12, 2011, 09:19:26 PM
Thanks Jon, that\'d be great.
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: Prof on January 12, 2011, 09:38:37 PM
After seeing Bish\'s lines I decided to have a go myself - it\'s suprisingly straightforward.  10an\'s all round and you\'re laughing - you can get metric to an adaptors for the engine block
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: AtomicRex on January 12, 2011, 11:05:57 PM
Fitting the lines isn\'t too difficult providing you follow some simple rules.  We cover our lines in heat shrink, that way it prevents the braids from fraying.
 
We\'ve the adaptors for both the return at the sandwich plate, and the output at the lower side of the block.  Do you want to run AN10 or AN12?
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: AtomicRex on January 12, 2011, 11:19:40 PM
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: SiH on January 13, 2011, 08:26:19 AM
Torques UK on eBay provide some pretty good quality Aeroqip style fittings for very good prices - they do the push fit and double cutter styles in the traditional red and blue, and stealthy black colour schemes.
They do Teflon and conventional braided lines, as well as cotton braid covered ones. Delivery is really quick too :)

I\'ve used loads of their stuff and am really impressed:
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Torques-U-K

If you\'re looking at a metre worth of line and fittings, you\'re probably looking at about 50 quid or so - you won\'t get much cheaper than that - about 8 quid for straight fittings, 16 quid for swept angles, and 16 qui a metre or so for the line.

The fittings seem almost identical to the JEGS and Moquip ones I\'ve used, no problems with sealing at al.
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 13, 2011, 11:22:15 PM
Ok thanks a lot chaps.
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 15, 2011, 11:20:41 PM
Next question.....what size threads are on a TII oil cooler?
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: Prof on January 15, 2011, 11:44:31 PM
Bish\'s thread contains all the secrets ;) ...
 
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55291 :Thumbs-up
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 16, 2011, 12:57:52 AM
Quote from: Prof;737150Bish\'s thread contains all the secrets ;) ...
 
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55291 :Thumbs-up

Beautiful.:Thumbs-up

Tried to have a sneaky peak how he mounted that cooler on the front beam too but can\'t quite see.:confused:
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: Prof on January 16, 2011, 08:48:35 AM
On the FC, the brackets are welded to the cross member, and there are 2 rubber shocked mounts that the oil cooler sits on that then bolt up to those brackets - it means there\'s quite a lot of free movement possible.
 
I am guessing you\'ll need to use some sort of shock isolator to mount it, did it come with the mounts on it ?
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 16, 2011, 09:09:27 AM
There is the remains of the rubber isolating brackets left I think-I need to get it out later and test it for leaks so will have a look at report back! I\'m thinking maybe using a similar clamp to Furb around the front beam might just have to speak nicely to my TIG welding friend and get some brackets fashioned up.
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: antnicuk on January 16, 2011, 10:02:25 AM
if you dont want to pay the extra money for braided hose and anodised fitings, you can do a simple cheap job with normal hose and steel fitting.  I went to think automotive (Mocal) with the engine fittings and they supplied me with the appropriate hose in black rubber (High pressure, high temp Oil hose) and all the fittings i needed.  The fittings are special push on ones, just dip the hose in a cup of hot water for a few seconds and push it on the tail.  The fitting is guaranteed for 200 psi which is more than enough, no clips required.  For their biggest oil cooler an oil thermostat, the hose and the fittings, it cost me less than £200, the stat was about £40 and the oil cooler was £100 ish so it gives you an idea of how cheap the fittings were. Also they had the correct fittings for the engines in either 90 degree or straight so no adapters required.  It looks smart and professional but without the bling factor. I got 5/8 hose and fittings which is slightly bigger than stock and it has made massive difference to my oil temps.  

On track in the summer with the stock oil set up i could only do about 10 - 15 minutes before my oil temps were up above 115c, after the change i did a track day on the hottest day of the year and the temps didnt go above 95.

If you keep the stock cooler you could probably buy the fittings and hose for about £30 - 40 quid,  it cost me a bit more as i needed twice as many fittings as the thermostat needed another set of 4 fittings, they are about £5 each iirc.
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 16, 2011, 10:13:46 AM
Which oil cooler did you use-I\'m not convinced about the condition of the TII one I\'ve got so wouldn\'t mind a back up plan. Thanks for that though-good to know there is a cheaper option that still looks like a proper job as I\'d rather save money on the hoses and leave room in the budget for a new cooler.
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: antnicuk on January 16, 2011, 05:34:03 PM
thats exactly what i thought.  I went for the 50 row 115mm wide,  it will be plenty big enough,  im running over 350 hp.  

You could possibly get smaller depending on your use and the position,  its more important to get the size and shape that you can fit in and get a good flow of air to it.

http://www.thinkauto.com/Mocaloil2.htm
Title: Oil Cooler Lines?
Post by: captainbizzaro on January 17, 2011, 08:32:57 PM
Just had a look at my friends rally car, he runs a Mocal-nice looking little cooler seems well made. Positioning wise it\'s a free for all between everything there at the moment so just gonna have to make it up as we go.