I think the recent events of fuel price rise will be the first big test for them, in respect of peoples views, as nothing seems to get the populous going more than rising motoring costs. It will be very interesting to see how they cope with public demand and apparent strikes/road blocks etc.
I for one was very impressed with Cameron\'s manifesto pledge that they will address the issue and cap the price of fuel per litre, being completely frank and saying its not possible to reduce it because of our huge debt. Fair enough, some balls to say we need the duty not make up some Labour rubbish that it was being raised due to global warming.
However, i saw an interview today with Andrew Marr where he was asked about the above and it was immediately brushed off that the Tory government werent able to act on it as it now wasnt something they were able to do because of the co allition with Libs.
This is not the reason i solely voted Tory, although i know thats not what we got! But i think for the first time i will be very miffed that a government i voted for arent upholding some of their manifesto, regardless of some Liberals now involved.
The motorist is a cash cow to be milked by the taxman. It\'s unfortunate. I would like assurances that when the Government deficit reaches sustainable levels that the issue of fuel cost will be seriously looked at as it has big ramifications for other costs.
I don\'t think they have followed through on a single pledge yet have they? Every time they look at their list they cross another one off and blame not doing it on the co allition.
But too address the topic. Strike strike strike! The French wouldn\'t put up with it.
Funny, its the only thing about being French that is any good, they have no laws to stop them blockading, otherwise i am sure this would have been done by now!
The French take it too far in terms of striking. Although I do think that fuel prices are ridiculous and that fuel duty should help cushion the motorist, and the consumer whose product prices are affected by transport costs therefore fuel, from the effects of high oil prices.
I reckon it would create more prosperity and the government could reap the rewards when oil prices dropped and they kept prices the same but received increased duty.
But what would they cap it at ??? They should take off the rise they put on with the VAT reduction. Bloomin Labour cheek when they did it !
I hate where LPG has gone in the last 6 weeks, nearly a 18p rise in that time. Similar to 36p for petrol !!!!
I\'m getting to the point where the FB isn\'t cost effective even on LPG for the miles I do a week !
Shaun
Quote from: shaunwil;736378But what would they cap it at ??
I think thats what happening now, we are being tested to see just how much we will pay and thats where it will be capped. Dont forget we were freaking at £1.00, £1.10 and then £1.20.
Petrol in France is usually slightly more expensive than it is here, so evidently their strikes and blockades aren\'t the most effective...
Quote from: jetpilot;736442I think thats what happening now, we are being tested to see just how much we will pay and thats where it will be capped. Dont forget we were freaking at £1.00, £1.10 and then £1.20.
What???
What do you mean "tested to see how much we\'ll pay" ???
We\'ll pay as much as they make us pay....
Yes we were all causing a fuss when petrol hit £1 per litre...the first time...then it crept up a bit again, over the quid, and now it\'s £1.30 a litre...and is anything happening? No.
I don\'t buy petrol for fun (well, I do for the rex, but not often these days) I buy it because I need to get to work. I buy petrol and moan about the cost...if it was £2 per litre I would still need to buy it, and I\'d moan more.
If the fuel duty was a fair amount, fuel would be nowhere near £1 a litre...but we\'d have to pay the country\'s debts off somehow, so it would go on something else. Motorists are an easy target...just a shame it hits us all, as shipping prices increase, and as a result the cost of everything increases too!
Quote from: Marcrs;736474What do you mean "tested to see how much we\'ll pay" ???
I mean, they will push it to see what sort of price it reaches before there is general uproar and by that i dont mean us guys moaning on here but serious protests as there was many years ago!
I am in exactly the same boat as you buddy, i have to use a vehicle to work, to transport tools and materials to varying places, i am on your side! There will come a time soon though that i will be left with no alternative than to increase my prices to either A) cover increased costs or B) Save enough money to purchase something with a high mpg! and by that way i will possibly loose work because of it. Even if did have something more economical i would still be concerned about the costs as it affects everything as said in another thread, weekly food shops, clothes, delivery etc etc
Isn\'t putting a tax on a tax effectively an illegal practice? (Ie VAT is calculated after other tax has been applied)
I don\'t honestly think they will do anything at all, and Cameron is doing a good act at being the invisible man of politics. One thing I have noticed though is on my daily journey to Hemel Hempstead to carry out a contract I have is that cars do appear to be travelling slower on motorways etc so perhaps that is the only way we can protest just drive a lot slower in that way we use less fuel and it would be something that other people will notice perhaps get some stickers saying \'Sorry I\'m only driving slowly to save money\' or something to that effect.
Quote from: Hi RX7;736496I don\'t honestly think they will do anything at all, and Cameron is doing a good act at being the invisible man of politics. One thing I have noticed though is on my daily journey to Hemel Hempstead to carry out a contract I have is that cars do appear to be travelling slower on motorways etc so perhaps that is the only way we can protest just drive a lot slower in that way we use less fuel and it would be something that other people will notice perhaps get some stickers saying \'Sorry I\'m only driving slowly to save money\' or something to that effect.
But your still using fuel, ironic protesting about the cost of fuel by doing something that uses fuel. Its another argument entirely at how and what are the best means of protesting are, my opinion is that everyone should plan a day in advance and then on mass head off that morning to use public transport as that is their argument in avoiding fuel cost and transport issues! We are in essence only then doing what they tell us and when it all goes Pete Tong, which it will, will leave them with no argument!
Actually the Government still want you to use the car , why do you think they put massive prices increases on public transport like the trains so it still make sense to use the car, and still they get big tax revenue
Quote from: jetpilot;736504But your still using fuel, ironic protesting about the cost of fuel by doing something that uses fuel. Its another argument entirely at how and what are the best means of protesting are, my opinion is that everyone should plan a day in advance and then on mass head off that morning to use public transport as that is their argument in avoiding fuel cost and transport issues! We are in essence only then doing what they tell us and when it all goes Pete Tong, which it will, will leave them with no argument!
Yes it is still using fuel and you still earn your hard earned crust but if everyone did drive carefully/slowly it would have an effect on our overall consumption and again by doing say 50 on the motorways etc it would be noticeable and may catch on lets face it you just leave a little earlier and get back a little later. I\'ve been driving a little slower in my van up to Hemel Hempstead 55 on motorway and my new Renault Trafic recorded 42 mpg yesterday which at 15K plus a year will save a bit.
Sadly i think there is absolutely nothing you can do about the price of fuel, no one will act on a full on strike as its too hard to get the word out to every single person. Refusing to drive will add more work load to the average person and for those who work far away is not feasible.
The best thing that most can do is park up the big cars and buy a small everyday car for better mpg, and when you can afford to take the big car out for a spin.
If i ever buy another RX it certainly will not be a daily driver as the last one only returned 12-14mpg :Giggle
the thing witht he mass public transport thing is peopl ebased in rural areas.... I live in a fairly big town and we get a bus every hour near as damb it and places further out get very little or no transport facilities so rely on their car 100%
Show you how much fuel has gone up, the MR2 when I got it less than 2 years ago cost me £44 to fill up from red light coming on..... the other day I stopped the pump at £60!! what the hell is going on!!! The other thing that rubs me up the wrong way is when people get payed £80k plus and do less work than someone on 20k and as a result fuel prices don\'t have as big an impact on them as they have the finances to take the increases.... if polatitions were\'t payed as much, they would feel the pinch like the rest of us normal people and be more inclined to do something about the situation!
most gov officials dont drive they get driven hence never have to fill their own cars.
Infact i believe that Gordon Brown did not even have a car license ???
Suggestions of getting more economical cars make sense, but only in the short term! Yes, you may notice the difference now, but in say two years time and fuel has risen more and more you will be in the same boat and perhaps unable to find a car thats any more economical. If i wanted to change to something more economical now for work, i would have to spend double to make it a worthwhile trade so how long would it take me to get that back on the difference?
I have been having a similar conversation on another forum!
My big question that no one on there wants to address is, why is jet fuel, duty and vat free? Surely adding a very small duty on that would offset the need for constantly increasing diesel/petrol/lpg duty? Sure your holidays may go up a little, but is that a high price to pay for taking the burden of everyday fuel costs?
I would also say i see air travel as the most polluting, i think i read the average long haul flight is the equivalent of a years motoring for each passenger on board and i would guess 50% of air travel is a luxury!
Totally agree about the aviation fuel.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-airlines-16310bn-government-fuel-subsidy-842770.html
Shaun
I dont fly much, or at all for that matter, but from what i understand, flights costs less and less these days.
So, in light of vat and duty free, why are the gov (any gov for that matter) reluctant to put duty and vat on aviation fuel? Whilst the general motorist gets raped, air travel companies go on making huge amounts of profit!
Could be the international nature of Flights. What is to stop them not filling up in the UK ?
Although there isn\'t an issue for the government if they don\'t get anything out of the deal now.
What would it cost for the average punter if they placed 1p duty and tax on an average flight ? They seem to quote aviation fuel by the tonne !
Shaun
Current aviation fuel cost is 75p per lt, so would add at least 15p per lt even if they just put vat on it !
http://www.ppp.shell.com/prices.aspx
Would a Rotor run on aviation fuel ?
Shaun
I would think on international flights, they fill up when the leave and before they come back.
It sure is a curious one!
If we put duty on aviation fuel some air international frieght/operators would stop using England as a hub , so the UK air industry would lose money
I guess then you are saying the loss in revenue from these airlines would out weigh the addition of taxation.
I understand the duty thing (perhaps), although i dont necessarily agree as mentioned before, airlines are making huge profit and would only pass the cost on to their passengers but the VAT thing is just an outrage, VAT is charged on everything, or so i thought!
I have an LPG car and it now costs the same as petrol per mile. I am not filling up with LPG now and i suggest everyone else does the same.
I feel sorry for everyone who has paid extra K\'s for Dual fuel cars or who have recently forked out 1500 quid for a conversion because they have wasted their money.
A holes!!!!
Quote from: DR SCHNITZEL;737337I have an LPG car and it now costs the same as petrol per mile. I am not filling up with LPG now and i suggest everyone else does the same.
I feel sorry for everyone who has paid extra K\'s for Dual fuel cars or who have recently forked out 1500 quid for a conversion because they have wasted their money.
A holes!!!!
Is the economy that much worse on LPG then? It\'s still 50p a litre cheaper...
There is less energy in LPG than petrol so you get worse mpg. The way it has risen lately is absolutely shocking.
Plus you still use some petrol on a dual fuel system, the petrol is used when the car is cold. Plus the LPG is a dry fuel so valve seats need petrol (or valve saver).
I\'m not as bad in the FB, not a bean of petrol for the past 3yrs. Although its getting to a point where I can\'t really justify using it as my daily.
The trouble is it was 1/2 the price of diesel because of its clean credentials. But now its 58% the price out weighing the benefits.
Shaun
To put it in perspective. The FB matched the fuel cost of a 41mpg diesel 3 1/2 yrs ago. Now it is the same as a 31mpg diesel. Where is the sense in that for a clean fuel ?
Shaun
Quote from: jetpilot;737333VAT is charged on everything, or so i thought!
Food, baby clothes (to name a couple) are VAT free.
Shaun
Quote from: shaunwil;737396Food, baby clothes (to name a couple) are VAT free.
Shaun
On absolute essentials eg food,no vat.
Porn mags are not subject to vat either!
ta..
Quote from: shaunwil;737395To put it in perspective. The FB matched the fuel cost of a 41mpg diesel 3 1/2 yrs ago. Now it is the same as a 31mpg diesel. Where is the sense in that for a clean fuel ?
Shaun
I agree with you there I sold my LPG Transit a few years back because I could just see that either the Government were going to pull the plug on the subsidy (which they didn\'t) or like diesel they saw that everyone was switching to it so a price hike was inevitable.
Lpg cost to work was 7 pound a day now its 12 quid in gas the same as petrol. The Rx is 25 quid running 18 to 1 afrs
its gone up in a year from 48 p to 80p
Listening to the interview David Cameron gave on Radio 4 this morning I can\'t see that they are going to do anything about the price of fuel so a bit like people on PAYE, motorist are stuck with a system designed to suck the life blood out of you and its pay pay pay pay pay pay pay and more pay.
Quote from: DR SCHNITZEL;737463its gone up in a year from 48 p to 80p
Yep, every time they stick a couple of pence of petrol they have matched the rise on LPG ! I don\'t know how much the cold weather has effected the price but can you see it dropping any time soon ?
I remember it being 33.5p/lt when I swapped over originally. I swapped from a diesel 106 that cost me £8 a week to run to the FB that cost £20 !
Shaun
i believe if people are ....ed off at petrol prices, fine, get together, put in some money, and start producing gasoline for yourselves. remember, free free capitalist market is the reason we have this amazing quality of life, and some things are more expensive than others.
Quote from: jetpilot;736295I think the recent events of fuel price rise will be the first big test for them, in respect of peoples views, as nothing seems to get the populous going more than rising motoring costs. It will be very interesting to see how they cope with public demand and apparent strikes/road blocks etc.
I for one was very impressed with Cameron\'s manifesto pledge that they will address the issue and cap the price of fuel per litre, being completely frank and saying its not possible to reduce it because of our huge debt. Fair enough, some balls to say we need the duty not make up some Labour rubbish that it was being raised due to global warming.
However, i saw an interview today with Andrew Marr where he was asked about the above and it was immediately brushed off that the Tory government werent able to act on it as it now wasnt something they were able to do because of the co allition with Libs.
This is not the reason i solely voted Tory, although i know thats not what we got! But i think for the first time i will be very miffed that a government i voted for arent upholding some of their manifesto, regardless of some Liberals now involved.
Out of interest how much do you pay for petrol in Japan ??
Shaun
Quote from: dr50376272;737509i believe if people are ....ed off at petrol prices, fine, get together, put in some money, and start producing gasoline for yourselves. remember, free free capitalist market is the reason we have this amazing quality of life, and some things are more expensive than others.
nice idea, but wouldn\'t particularly help tbh, you are still liable for duty and VAT on it. Couple that with the horrendous cost of the equipment that you would need, as well as the raw material (crude) that you will still have to pay $80/barrel for in the first place!!
incidentally, gas for $30/barrel? Apparently so. This is doing the rounds at my work...
clicky (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-brave-new-world-of-fossil-fuels-on-demand/article1871149/)
Not as far fetched as it sounds, as carbon dioxide contains two thirds of the elements required to make alcohols. It has been tried for decades, but the problem is that carbon dioxide is an extremely stable molecule - i.e. it doesn\'t want to become anything else and thus takes horrendous amounts of energy to do so.
However, the use of biological entities combined with existing technology (biochemical engineering) allows us to in effect mimic natures own processes, which by definition are magnitudes more efficient than those developed by man.
graeme
As i said before the best thing to do is park up the guzzlers and buy a decent small car for everyday use - bring out the RX once in a while sadly
Quote from: gsb876;737980As i said before the best thing to do is park up the guzzlers and buy a decent small car for everyday use - bring out the RX once in a while sadly
Not an option for some that need larger vehicles, i.e vans. If i had the choice i wouldnt even run a daily, i would buy a scooter! If you want value for money they are the only way forward, cheap outlay too.
Nahhhh. scooters are utterly ghey :2Rolleyes Get a 125cc motocrosser, it\'ll do like 70 mpg and has the plus that you\'ll be able to pull what our antipodean cousins would refer to as "horn monos" on your daily commute. That\'s "wheelies" in English :D
Sorry guys, you need to move to Asia to see real prices, UK is cheap to run a car compared to Malaysia and Singapore.
Fuel prices in Singapore are the same as the UK, to have a car on the road you need a certificate of entitlement, current price around £35,000 for 10 years and then there is 300% import duty for new cars and it is not cost effective to import older cars (cannot import a car older than 3 years old), taxed huge amounts if you try to import newer cars...
You also have pay for annual road tax, as per the UK.
Cannot wait to get back to the UK for cheap motoring...