:LaughWhat no Euro thread!
I remember during the world cup i laughed hysterically at Engerland chances of getting anywhere close to winning it.
I also mentioned England v montenegro & if they could\'nt beat them they should give up,or something similar?
Well that was the 1st match i\'ve watched the 3 pussies play since their dismal,expected pathetic,derisory attempt at kicking a football around with some degree of accuracy.
What was wrong this time
Football wrong weight or shape?
Musical instruements tooooooooooooo loud?
Humidity not right on the night?
Montenegro have too much choice for players with a population of 650,000 v 51 million?
I\'d enjoy blind patriots sticking up for Engerland,i learnt a long time ago,it,s much less painful to expect the worst & be surprised at the best!
So how\'d you rate the mighty lions[sorry can\'t say that without sniggering] chances of winning the Euro?
ta ra..
Same chance as me winning the lottery.......:rollin
well in a few years it\'ll be half a century since engerland has won any trophies/cups.
Every tournament we,ve got the best players,best manager,unbeaten run[against minnows],blah,blah,heard it all before,the gazza years/lineker/keegan/shearer/owen,it goes on & on,hype,hype,hype,no substance or track record to back it up.
Could of been worse imagine if frank flumpard had played[had the most shots in a world cup & fluffed every one of em,25 clear shots at goal i think] or that lumbering oaf emile heskey who\'s incapable of remaining upright on the 2 pairs of legs he was born with.
Doubt the germans will be taking cover & heading to zee bunkers!
I am not so sure anyone can answer your questions buddy!
In my opinion, some of the recent quality players were out and taking the Captaincy away from Gerrard hasnt helped and this is just imho!
Would it have made any difference if the above was in place, who knows, but sure is a bad sign that our mighty cant beat a team chosen from such a ltd population and 6 or 7 leagues.
I think there were only 5 players on the pitch at kick off from the world cup squad so you certainly cant say it was the same old dross, changes have been made.
P.S Its quite apparent that you dont like Lampard but he is one of the only players to score for England during the world cup, regardless that it was disallowed. Have a word about out world class striker Rooney who probably didnt even manage 25 shots at goal!!!!
Yep i was glad to see the changes from the world cup squad,much needed,but still dismal performances.
I don\'t get it,some of our players are worth many millions on the club transfer market,but when they play for the national team they consistently under perform?
To make matters worse i often work in montenegro,i saw england get thrashed by germany there in a locals pub,i remembered them saying to me Monty have nothing to fear from england,err they were right!there\'s hardly any football pitches there,the countries much smaller than wales,the national sports in Monty are WATER POLO & BASKETBALL!!![not football]..
One game means nothing, Spain lost v Swiss but they won the world cup.
The game v Mont was not that bad, the possession was good the passing was good, sadly Young could not cross and Rooney is still flat (not fat).
I still think England should deploy a 3-5-2 format as we have the players to do so.
1- HART
2-G JOHNSON
3-FERDINAND
4-TERRY
5- A JOHNSON
6-GERRARD
7-HARGREAVES (if fit)
8-MILNER
9-A COLE
10-ROONEY
11-DEFOE
Montenegro beat Switzerland at home, didn\'t they? They were a very well-drilled organised team who knew how to break the game up and were willing to commit cynical fouls when necessary. The refereeing helped them out by being very forgiving. England should have had a penalty for blatant handball in the area.
None of these are excuses. You can\'t rely on the opponents handling in the area to get ahead, and they should really have scored off the strike that hit the crossbar, Hart was beaten all up...... but simply trotting out the same old taunts and insults about how bad England are is not an argument against, it\'s just tabloid invective and you really should try harder. England weren\'t good enough the other night, and they should have been. Get over it. They\'ve shown marked improvements in results, performance and endeavour (with notable excpetions like Rooney The Sulk) since returning from the World Cup with their tail between their legs and perhaps if you weren\'t so pointlessly bigoted against them for whatever reason and so eager to gloat over their misfortune you might be able to realise that?
Agree with Nik :wiggle
I think England played well enough to win the game, the handball was also missed which might have provided the goal we needed.
Not the end of the world just yet folks, chill :Giggle
Not 100% but i believe the thread starter is a France fan ????? Apologies if wrong ;)
Also Portugal seem to under perform more than we do but get little press about it, usually draw and lose to terrible teams :flamed
I think its just a shame to see which is why folks, not just Syebba get frustrated, hence them being boooed off the pitch!
I am not so sure Ferdinand is as a convincing captain as Gerrard, he doesnt seem to gel the side as well and to be fair, the only reason he is captain is because of Terry\'s faux pars! It must be pretty frustrating if your Gerrard, you captain the side, it does well, Ferdinand rocks up fit for the first time in a long time and who knows how long for and he is Captain.
Maybe thats the problem, the team is full of massive ego\'s that cant gel with others except their immediate club team mates. Hence why the recent games with relative new comers were so much more fluid!
I understand why people like Syebba get frustrated, cos we all do. No-one wants or should accept England scraping a goalless draw at home against a country with 650 000 inhabitants, it\'s simply not good enough. What I don\'t understand or find very admirable is the way that people like Syebba are conspicuous by their absence all the time the team are doing well, but spring out of the woodwork as soon as there\'s some gloating to be done over a poor performance.
I would have thought, given his often-stated dislike of the old "big" names underperfoming and trousering huge paycheques just on reputation alone, he would have been overjoyed to see the last few England performances featuring young up-coming players often performing extremely well. Hmmm...the silence is deafening. I get very tired of people who do nothing but criticise but are unable to praise when it\'s due. Apart from anything else, it means you\'re left feeling there\'s a certain lack of validity to their opinions....
Im not a massive football fan but this seems to be a part of the problem for England as a country. The papers and a lot of people seem to take a lot of pleasure from poor performances and/or results.
It must feel like a bit of an impossible task for the players sometimes as if they lose they get laid into by the press and public, and if they draw or win they still seem to get negatives from the above (ie they only beat a minnow team). They must wonder what they need to do to make the English people happy sometimes :)
Quote from: Nik da Greek;721254I understand why people like Syebba get frustrated, cos we all do. No-one wants or should accept England scraping a goalless draw at home against a country with 650 000 inhabitants, it\'s simply not good enough. What I don\'t understand or find very admirable is the way that people like Syebba are conspicuous by their absence all the time the team are doing well, but spring out of the woodwork as soon as there\'s some gloating to be done over a poor performance.
I would have thought, given his often-stated dislike of the old "big" names underperfoming and trousering huge paycheques just on reputation alone, he would have been overjoyed to see the last few England performances featuring young up-coming players often performing extremely well. Hmmm...the silence is deafening. I get very tired of people who do nothing but criticise but are unable to praise when it\'s due. Apart from anything else, it means you\'re left feeling there\'s a certain lack of validity to their opinions....
I think we have too much belief in the teams ability to perform, as said before it\'s close to 50yrs since we have won any major trophy and yet we stubbornly cling to the belief we are the best, when time has shown that we are not.
As a league player each member of our squad can perform well, as this is the role they train for each and every day. They are part of their clubs in a specific position and they are drilled to the highest level to play in a very specific way, to react in very particular way and to work as a team. They they are taken away from their normal roles and asked to do a something slightly different in a different position with a very different bunch of people they normally compete against.
For me I know I would find it very strange. I know people will say they get paids lots so they should be able to do it, but just because someone can kick a ball doesn\'t mean they are adaptable or have the required brain power to even realise why they cannot perform well.
I realise there are many factors behind our lack of success recently but until we start playing our top players in positions they normally play in I cannot see any way that we can improve their performance.
As Nik said our up and comming players have recently done well but it is our "top" players who are seeming to struggle when asked to do something outside the norm, so maybe we need to concentrate on up and comming player who are keen, eager and proud to be playing for their national team
I put a post up recently about the recent cricket success for England, not one reply in support! So Mr Greek is right, media fuelled gloating!
I also feel it cant be too encouraging playing for a manager that you know is only there because the FA cant afford the divorce settlement and will be gone after the Euro\'s. In the last quite a few years we have seen managers come and go, none have really stepped away from norm and all have had their own little quirks about how the team is run! I hope the FA look to sign an English manager who can carry the same national pride from performing well and not get into ridiculous contracts they cant get out off.
No decent english managers to take over is the biggest problem !!!
Redknapp - with no money to waste on gambles as players have to be english he will be stuffed :WaveBye
Steve Bruce - really ? :rollin
Steve McClaren - Again :Nono!
Roy Hodgson - See Liverpool :WaveBye
Allardyce - Blew it with Newcastle - better as small club manager :(
Beckham - far too early :Hammer
David Platt - where the hell has he been ??? :flamed
Stuart Pearce - Possibly but unproven :o
Anyone else ???
Brian Clough?
Brian Clough!?
he be dead dude
Oh yeah. He\'d be about as good as any of the ones Gurj suggested then, won\'t he :Giggle?
....best manager England never had :yes
yip he should govern beyond the grave lol
I think Hodgson would be about the best choice, to be fair. I don\'t think anyone can lay the blame for Liverplop\'s shocking situation at his feet. What he achieved with Fulham is beyond belief, tbh, I think it\'s a real shame he hasn\'t got the England job and will be about 123 years old by the time the FA can afford to pay Capello to bugger off
Hodgson or Redknapp for me, both have done well with struggling teams.
Lets face it guys, none of the above could do a lot worse!
What ever happens they\'ve still got more chance of winning than the Jocks.
Quote from: Bobbit;721261I think we have too much belief in the teams ability to perform, as said before it\'s close to 50yrs since we have won any major trophy and yet we stubbornly cling to the belief we are the best, when time has shown that we are not.
As a league player each member of our squad can perform well, as this is the role they train for each and every day. They are part of their clubs in a specific position and they are drilled to the highest level to play in a very specific way, to react in very particular way and to work as a team. They they are taken away from their normal roles and asked to do a something slightly different in a different position with a very different bunch of people they normally compete against.
For me I know I would find it very strange. I know people will say they get paids lots so they should be able to do it, but just because someone can kick a ball doesn\'t mean they are adaptable or have the required brain power to even realise why they cannot perform well.
I realise there are many factors behind our lack of success recently but until we start playing our top players in positions they normally play in I cannot see any way that we can improve their performance.
As Nik said our up and comming players have recently done well but it is our "top" players who are seeming to struggle when asked to do something outside the norm, so maybe we need to concentrate on up and comming player who are keen, eager and proud to be playing for their national team
I agree for far too long players have been granted an automatic place in the squad regardless of their recent past performances.
I honestly don\'t think it matters what nationality the manager is,Erikkson did well for england for a time,but alas still no trophies.
The monty manager is croatian,montenegro & croatia were arch enemies during the horrific 1990\'s war & he\'s put them top of the group!
Let\'s hope it\'s just a hiccup[many said that during the world cup farce],but in such an easy group again, england need to achieve consistency,no more excuses,yes we were denied a handball,but then montenegro were unlucky hitting the crossbar.
GSB876,apologies accepted,i\'m not french,good guess,i\'m english;)
ta ra..
Quote from: Nik da Greek;721254I understand why people like Syebba get frustrated, cos we all do. No-one wants or should accept England scraping a goalless draw at home against a country with 650 000 inhabitants, it\'s simply not good enough. What I don\'t understand or find very admirable is the way that people like Syebba are conspicuous by their absence all the time the team are doing well, but spring out of the woodwork as soon as there\'s some gloating to be done over a poor performance.
I would have thought, given his often-stated dislike of the old "big" names underperfoming and trousering huge paycheques just on reputation alone, he would have been overjoyed to see the last few England performances featuring young up-coming players often performing extremely well. Hmmm...the silence is deafening. I get very tired of people who do nothing but criticise but are unable to praise when it\'s due. Apart from anything else, it means you\'re left feeling there\'s a certain lack of validity to their opinions....
Ah yes but if you look at my above posts you will see i\'m in favour of the new players in the squad.
If England actually beat credible opposition/perform consistently well & progress to the semi\'s or finals,i will give them plenty of praise.
Problem is they have\'nt,so i can\'t praise them!
Their in an easy group & have loused up again,it\'s no wonder wembley was only 75% full & fans started leaving & booing before the end of the match,people are fed up with all the hype,believing we have the best players & squad,we have\'nt quite simply,results are all that matters,not excuses.
Lets hope for a miraculous turnaround,but my moneys on spain/germany/holland etc.
Quote from: Will66;721359What ever happens they\'ve still got more chance of winning than the Jocks.
I don\'t think anyones gonna disagree with that!:Giggle
Are you a scot?:rolleyes:
Ergh, I am nothing to do with those sweaty, unwashed, workshy skirtwearers. I am singlehandedly taking them on at their own game, deliberately supporting any team playing them!
Fed up with the hype?
Stop buying newspapers/magazines or TV subscriptions from those that hone national hopes into expectations in order to fill as many pages/hours after the event denouncing the culprits for their failure to deliver.
Perhaps the interesting question is why we have collectively elevated this orchestrated character assassination into our real national game. It\'s not only football, though the hysterical marketing and overpaid Neanderthals in overpriced strips make that the easiest target / biggest sinner.
The same techniques get applied to everything not just sport but we should expect both the wunderkind at McLaren to get lightly savaged by British media in a few weeks time if a German, Spaniard or an Australian wins the F1 world championship...(No matter how much the Australian deserves it!)
they get paid enough to be exploited by the papers
Unfortunately the rest of us don\'t but we are still players in the game.LOL
Quote from: jinx;721437Unfortunately the rest of us don\'t but we are still players in the game.LOL
True, but its amazing how the media can make one person a star and another a complete fool.
Currently the papers love Kate Perry, personally i am sick of seeing her in the papers for no reason at all, oooh she got a new dress = me no care :WaveBye
The most crazy of things the papers have done in recent times was trying to catch Eriksson out (NOTW) right before a major tournament ???? do they not want us to actually win ??? :rolleyes:
I like looking at Katie Perry. She\'s hot.
I think a lot has to do with Capello.
I honestly think he has lost the dressing room.
Yes, the players are paid hundreds of thousands a week and they should rise above it, but they are only humans at the end of the day, and if you cant stand the manager then you\'ll never play to your full potential and get that little extra when you are battling against the odds.
A lot has to do with the premier league.....just look at the amount of forgeigners in the top 6 clubs in England, theres only a handful of top class english players in those teams.
I am a big believer of "man managers" and "motivators"......look at our Mexico 86 and Italia 90 teams.....pre premiership.
No WAY did we have the best players in the world in that squad (all though we did have a world class playmaker...Gazza), yet the guys who we did have all loved to play for Bobby Robson.
Harry Redknapp is a man manager, and the guys love to play for him (except David Bentley, Harrys twitching starts when Davids playing) .
Harry\'s a wheeler dealer man !!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoIAm0XSo3M
LOL. This one\'s good too, where \'Arry even admitted he wouldn\'t even play Bentley in goal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mENa0AC-YuU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mENa0AC-YuU&feature=related)
:rollin Some of it may not be axactly as they originally said it
Quote from: Nik da Greek;721515LOL. This one\'s good too, where \'Arry even admitted he wouldn\'t even play Bentley in goal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mENa0AC-YuU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mENa0AC-YuU&feature=related)
:rollin Some of it may not be axactly as they originally said it
Haha, thats a brilliant video!
:Thumbsup!