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Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: johnnyboy on October 05, 2010, 11:38:46 PM
Hi guys. I have a 1982 Elford with 13" wheels and 205 60 13 tyres - and I need some new tyres.
Trouble is, 205 13\'s are not a very popular size these days
I seem to have a choice between "ultra cheapo" tyres (from makers I have never heard of) or trackday tyres - that presumably don\'t work very well on wet roads....
Anybody got any recommendations?
John
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: myatt1972 on October 05, 2010, 11:55:13 PM
Its becoming a problem with older cars, Vredestein are used alot on the early 911\'s and seem to be a good allrounder, also toyo do your size.
Keith...
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: AtomicRex on October 05, 2010, 11:56:41 PM
http://www.toyo.co.uk/productdetail.php?identity=products&product_id=3
 
How about these?  They do a 205 60 13 :)
 
Or for a more budget tyre
 
http://www.bestbuytyres.co.uk/tyreinfo/15477
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 06, 2010, 08:57:27 AM
http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4ADBF_en-GBGB307GB307&q=205/60R13+tyres&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=MCusTKDLNMOM4gaXqYGrCA&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CEIQrQQwAg
 
 
Elitedirect.com do Kumho\'s £47 each inc del.
 
Falken & toyo\'s available from other outlets
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 06, 2010, 09:00:06 AM
Blimey Nankang tyres in above link £33.49 each!
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 06, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
http://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=L&ai=CzeEyPC2sTJmeG9Ov4gaxhPBCt6z63QG5893FD6jSqJgFCAAQAyDtit8GKANQyenWQWC7zqiD0ArIAQGpAmH1780Cs7o-qgQbT9BTF6svmbyT4J98Hn249iQht8X5rQATW5g4gAWQTg&sig=AGiWqtx8sg9MWuUGDoPRiNPH2zC6C8XOJw&adurl=http://www.tyreandgo.co.uk/tyreview.asp%3Fwidth%3D205%26profile%3D60%26size%3D13
 
Or yokohama\'s, 2 for £94.37 inc vat & del.
Title: 13" tyres
Post by: johnnyboy on October 06, 2010, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: syebba;719753http://www.google.co.uk/aclk?sa=L&ai=CzeEyPC2sTJmeG9Ov4gaxhPBCt6z63QG5893FD6jSqJgFCAAQAyDtit8GKANQyenWQWC7zqiD0ArIAQGpAmH1780Cs7o-qgQbT9BTF6svmbyT4J98Hn249iQht8X5rQATW5g4gAWQTg&sig=AGiWqtx8sg9MWuUGDoPRiNPH2zC6C8XOJw&adurl=http://www.tyreandgo.co.uk/tyreview.asp%3Fwidth%3D205%26profile%3D60%26size%3D13
 
Or yokohama\'s, 2 for £94.37 inc vat & del.

 
Have you got experience of using any of these? I have had bad experiences in the past with cheap tyres - particularly on dark wet nights in December on country roads..... Or even a wet morning on the way to work on the M40... I would prefer to pay more for something that will hold the road and be predictable, or it might end up with another Elford going to the scrapheap in the sky.... (I have a long history of crashing things through going too fast)
I suppose I am just not comfortable out of the Pirelli / Goodyear / Michelin zone.
Yokahama trackday tyres have a good reputation, but I am similarly worried about them in the wet. Or am I just being an old woman about this and should just pick something round and black and get on with it?
John
Title: 13" tyres
Post by: johnnyboy on October 06, 2010, 11:09:14 AM
Quote from: myatt1972;719727Its becoming a problem with older cars, Vredestein are used alot on the early 911\'s and seem to be a good allrounder, also toyo do your size.
Keith...

Do you mean the Vredstein "Sprint Classic"? My only problem with that is the price - £128.50 plus fitting from Camskil! All of the others (eg. Toyo R610/R610a) are less than £50 and are "H" rated, which I associate with cheap and nasty (though I suppose even I don\'t do more than 130mph very often these days....). I suppose I was expecting to spend £70 to £80, not £128 or £45....
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: AtomicRex on October 06, 2010, 11:41:35 AM
The speed rating isn\'t all about top speed....which is why I believe they are moving away from this.  It is to do with acceleration and loading on corners....and although you probably don\'t go above 130....I cant imagine you accelerate like a granny in a focus either!
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: Brett on October 06, 2010, 11:56:50 AM
Fallen are good... Running that size on the Montrose :)
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: David Nock (RIP) on October 06, 2010, 12:24:43 PM
Falken is what you meant Brett?

Also BF Goodritch used to do great tyres in 205/60 14" size. Getting hard to source now. Got a set on the S3 and perfectos. Was the wider 205/60 13" size used in America or was it a UK Elford mod from standard S2?
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: johnnyboy on October 06, 2010, 01:45:52 PM
Quote from: David Nock;719783Falken is what you meant Brett?
 
Also BF Goodritch used to do great tyres in 205/60 14" size. Getting hard to source now. Got a set on the S3 and perfectos. Was the wider 205/60 13" size used in America or was it a UK Elford mod from standard S2?

 
205 60 13 on the "Sonic" pepperpot wheels was an Elford feature. They did them as part of the kit and also as a separate "wheel and tyre swop" aftermarket accessory.
 
John
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: johnnyboy on October 06, 2010, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: Brett;719775Fallen are good... Running that size on the Montrose :)
Do you mean Falken Ziex ZE-912\'s ? They are nice and cheap (£46 fitted, from Blackcircles.com) and have some good write ups.
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 06, 2010, 03:14:15 PM
I have Yokohama\'s on my fb,good in wet & dry,fairly soft compound so less mileage than others but grippy!
I had a 300bhp dax cobra on yokohama,s as well,that stuck to the road like glue in dry,but still had to be careful in wet.[Rear end would err swivel,then swing round!]
Funnily enough i used to run BF Goodrich tyres on it,but they were,nt grippy enough,the compound was too hard,but lack of wear was good.
 
My yokohama\'s are S306 range & R rated.
In the £70 price range you have loads of choice.
ta stu..
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: johnnyboy on October 06, 2010, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: syebba;719800I have Yokohama\'s on my fb,good in wet & dry,fairly soft compound so less mileage than others but grippy!
I had a 300bhp dax cobra on yokohama,s as well,that stuck to the road like glue in dry,but still had to be careful in wet.[Rear end would err swivel,then swing round!]
Funnily enough i used to run BF Goodrich tyres on it,but they were,nt grippy enough,the compound was too hard,but lack of wear was good.
 
My yokohama\'s are S306 range & R rated.
In the £70 price range you have loads of choice.
ta stu..

I suspect that any tyres on the back end of a 300bhp Cobra would "err swivel" a bit. Poor little things...
 
John
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: myatt1972 on October 06, 2010, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: syebba;719753Or yokohama\'s, 2 for £94.37 inc vat & del.

Thats where my money would be going :yes
Keith...
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 06, 2010, 06:31:17 PM
me too,but i paid a lot more than that!
That\'s a cheapo price for a quality make.
ta stu..
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: Ian65 on October 06, 2010, 06:46:13 PM
I had Nankang 205\'s on my last RX7 and they were really good, quite a soft compound and very sticky. Probably wear a bit quicker due to being a soft compound but for the price, you can\'t really go wrong.
Here\'s the type of thing...

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.p...4,_205/60_R_14

I\'d use them again without hestitation.

they\'re a bit cheaper in the link someone posted above.
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: A7RXY on October 06, 2010, 07:55:48 PM
Or yokohama\'s, 2 for £94.37 inc vat & del.

I think you will find that the price is each, as they seem to sell them in pairs .
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 06, 2010, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;719852Or yokohama\'s, 2 for £94.37 inc vat & del.
 
I think you will find that the price is each, as they seem to sell them in pairs .

Yep ur right,that ad\'s misleading,thought they were tooooooo cheap.
ta stu..
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: CHC (RIP) on October 06, 2010, 09:50:20 PM
I had yokohamas on my SA 2.6GT which I believe were the originals from Japan.
I did at leat 25k on those in 2 years and they had hardly worn at all, gripped like ***t to a blanket in all conditions.  My experience with these actually sent me on a mission and since then I always try to be yokos if I can get the size.  Might be expensive but well worth it for the safety factor in my book.
:3gears-rh
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: johnnyboy on October 06, 2010, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: syebba;719800I have Yokohama\'s on my fb,good in wet & dry,fairly soft compound so less mileage than others but grippy!
I had a 300bhp dax cobra on yokohama,s as well,that stuck to the road like glue in dry,but still had to be careful in wet.[Rear end would err swivel,then swing round!]
Funnily enough i used to run BF Goodrich tyres on it,but they were,nt grippy enough,the compound was too hard,but lack of wear was good.
 
My yokohama\'s are S306 range & R rated.
In the £70 price range you have loads of choice.
ta stu..

 
I can\'t seem to find any Yokohama S306\'s in 205 60 13.....
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 07, 2010, 11:18:46 AM
@ John,
Just had a look at current yoko brochure on net,they don\'t do 205\'s in 13",my wheels are 14".
Looks like your only choice,nankang,falken,toyo,kumho.
ta stu..
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: syebba on October 07, 2010, 11:24:54 AM
1 of my above links is showing your size available but £94.37 each is pricey,their not the same as the ones i purchased,weird their not on yoko website,maybe discontinued old stock?
If i were you i\'d go with 1 of the 4 choices above.
ta stu..
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: stu aull on October 08, 2010, 12:23:05 AM
Summitomo HTR200 205/60-13s very popular this side of the Pond - and cheap (here anyway @$70US ea). Love \'em on my SA. Just read that Pirelli is re-intro-ing 13" P-3 model, tho pricy I\'d bet...
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska
Title: FB s2 Elford - 13" tyres?
Post by: johnnyboy on October 08, 2010, 01:03:12 PM
Quote from: stu aull;720070Summitomo HTR200 205/60-13s very popular this side of the Pond - and cheap (here anyway @$70US ea). Love \'em on my SA. Just read that Pirelli is re-intro-ing 13" P-3 model, tho pricy I\'d bet...
Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska

 
We don\'t seem to have Sumitomos over here - but the reports on American websites do sound good so I will carry on looking.
 
Alaska..... wow.....sigh..... can I come and visit?
 
John