I dont want to get into the political debate behind this.
but surely all this press coverage is having a completely negative effect, if it wasnt in the press/news, no one would hear about it, so this wouldnt really filter out to the people its meant to offend! :xconfused
If it wasnt for the press, i wouldnt have heard about it, so whatever you want to think of the pastor i think the press are to blame for the hype, its like the age old question, if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound :Hammer
Everyone is offended by something.
The press are to blame for hype and BS, which is why I avoid it.
Religion, of any kind, has always been mankinds biggest problem though. Muslim, catholic, judaism, etc.
You have to ask whether the press are to blame for the majority of problems in this world?
Yes it is good to understand the history and get up to date information....but look at terrorist campaigns...where would they be without the media?
Would half of the problems across the world happen if the media were to just ignore them? That said....how would we know?
No idea what you\'re on about, haven\'t seen the news in days :confused: I can reveal however that the answer to;
Quote from: jetpilot;715567its like the age old question, if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound :Hammer
is; Yes, it does!
Physics doesn\'t stop happening just cos no-one\'s watching :rollin Otherwise it\'d be a real bummer every time you fell asleep and gravity stopped working just cos you were no longer paying attention :D
HTH :Thumbs-up
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715577No idea what you\'re on about, haven\'t seen the news in days :confused: I can reveal however that the answer to;
is; Yes, it does!
Physics doesn\'t stop happening just cos no-one\'s watching :rollin Otherwise it\'d be a real bummer every time you fell asleep and gravity stopped working just cos you were no longer paying attention :D
HTH :Thumbs-up
The problem there is that no one can prove it - because any attempt to monitor the tree\'s falling means you are listening/watching :Giggle
But back on topic - I kind of agree - if the media hadn\'t whipped this up it would have gone unnoticed.
Strange that this guy wants to set fire to the Korans - this is often seen as an act of \'cleansing\' - very clean these Americans, they like to set fire to things - and they seem to encourage this behaviour in the middle east with their flammable US flags.
Personally I couldn\'t give a chuff.
Quote from: Prof;715581The problem there is that no one can prove it - because any attempt to monitor the tree\'s falling means you are listening/watching :Giggle
Ahhh, now we\'re moving into Schrodinger\'s cat territory :Giggle
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715585Ahhh, now we\'re moving into Schrodinger\'s cat territory :Giggle
Not as good as Pavlov\'s cat theory!
I\'ve heard of Pavlov\'s dogs, Jon. Not so familiar with Pavlov\'s cat theory :3Confused? Was it "don\'t leave small meringue-based desserts out whilst the cat\'s unsupervised?" :Giggle
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715596I\'ve heard of Pavlov\'s dogs, Jon. Not so familiar with Pavlov\'s cat theory :3Confused? Was it "don\'t leave small meringue-based desserts out whilst the cat\'s unsupervised?" :Giggle
Here you go...I will leave it to Mr Izzard to explain the theory :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whwiMrBNWCA
Yip defo media to blame on this one , the American nutter\\Pastor has only "50" followers of his church ! If it wasnt for the media no on this planet let alone the middle east would hear about this book burning.
btw book burning of different types of books has been happening for years its nothing new.
Quote from: Nik da Greek;715577Otherwise it\'d be a real bummer every time you fell asleep and gravity stopped working just cos you were no longer paying attention :D
HTH :Thumbs-up
I sleep lying down so makes f all difference to me.......
How do you sleep Mr Greek :rollin
"I don\'t sleep so I don\'t dream so I don\'t wake up frightened"
So back on topic..
What is the reason for the press/news
To show extremist muslims we are not all nutters and respect their heritage/faith!
Or the reverse, encourage people to follow and join the pastor!
Or is it just news that sells papers etc??
Sensationalism, news sells...............
Quote from: Freddy;715722Sensationalism, news sells...............
Exactamundo, Got it in one Freddy.
News sells, or in turn ensures people tune in which is then marketed as viewing figures to perspective advertisers.
One word, the same one we all know and need.................MONEY
First of all Before I wrote this, is that I do not beleive in any religion, god, acts of god, miraculs(spelling) ghosts etc etc.
First of all, God didn\'t create man, Man created god.
That was a bit off topic but had to be said. Apologies if anyone is offended by that.
Second, this relates to the topic by the way, if a preacher of the Muslim faith said he was going to burn copies of the bible in the birthday of Jebus, would the media and anyone else make a fuss about it? Or the burning of any other religious books by the way?
On the cat theory. shake the box hard and the odds shift in favour of dead.
On the Koran, there\'s a bit in there about Jesus, so why has no-one spoken about the own goal? Also, will the Gideons supply Bibles for the retaliation that will get even greater publicity.
More on the news this morning, bored of hearing about it now. Burn the books or dont, just lets stop hearing about it!!
Just burn every different \'holy\' book then it\'d be fair :)
Now there are various Iman\'s around the world saying that this act will threaten world peace. You can\'t really say that the world is all that peaceful currently.
This is why i get sent away from family and friends for 6 months at a time!!!! The news just make matters worse just for a story and a promotion.
Quote from: AtomicRex;715592Not as good as Pavlov\'s cat theory!
Is that better than the cat in the bin theory ? :o
I think cat\'s get a bum deal - look at the words with cat in:
CATastrophy
CATaclysm
conCATanated
sCAT
Seems that we really do love dogs more ;)
But back on the topic again, I can\'t help wondering if this was some misguided publicity stunt - and very stupid if so.
It seems the real issue for some of these Americans is they don\'t want an Islamic religious centre being built \'near\' ground zero - and it\'s not that close when you look at it. The Islamic centre was even going to have rooms for other faiths - that\'s being fairly accomodating - I\'ve been in a mosque in Turkey - but they don\'t have seperate rooms for Christians, Jews etc, nor would you ever find that in any other building catering for the other world religions ??
As the Imam proposing it said when asked if he really needed the building to be that close to ground zero - "No, not really, but there are a lot of muslims who work around here and they need somewhere to pray" - fair enough - doesn\'t seem like he\'s pushing an agenda to upset people.
Countries have been ruined for years because of bickering in the name of religion - because religion is man made, as oposed to a faith or belief which is what gives rise to religion, which has it\'s heart set on a higher goal.
When people stop twisting the words of others to suit their own ends - then perhaps peace is a possibility - until then we\'ll just have to get along.
BTW - are we some kind of religion with our love of the rotary ? :Giggle
my father is a muslims, which means i am too. but since i was 8 i stopped because the cleric become insane, started to blame the usa for the middle east problem, and said there has to be holy war. the problem is, if tomorrow there was no violence from anyone or anything in the middle east, the u.s would be told to leave. also, as for this pastor with 50 members, every day in the middle east there are hundreds, if not thousands of men, coming together, burning bibles, and saying death to america, but see, as westerners, we have to put up with this from the marxist media.
also, jesus never went around sleeping with 8 year old girls or burning and looting whole villages if they didnt join his cult(it was a cult back then), muhammad did this though. you tell me who the nice guy is? jesus f`n rocks !
also, jesus never went around sleeping with 8 year old girls or burning and looting whole villages if they didnt join his cult(it was a cult back then), muhammad did this though. you tell me who the nice guy is? jesus f`n rocks ![/QUOTE]
dude! you have issues.... do you have a proof of that statement? Or are you one of those million who just believe what they see/ watch on western TV?