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General => General Technical => Anything Engine/Performance/Tuning related => Topic started by: neil_jdmr on June 22, 2010, 12:23:38 AM

Title: NA Questions
Post by: neil_jdmr on June 22, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
I know that 400hp can be achieved going 3 rotor NA with PP etc but what sort of figures can be achieved staying with the twin rotor. I mean is say 300hp a possible target with the right porting/tuning.
 
I know NA tuning is a very expensive way to go fast and im not thinking of going this way but iam interested to know what the NA rotary capabilities are.
Title: NA Questions
Post by: Prof on June 22, 2010, 07:08:48 AM
I\'d say you could get close to 300bhp with a big Bridge Port on an NA engine, definitely possible with a PP ported block.  The power band, smooth though it is, will be moved up the rev range - so peak power will be when the engine is revving it\'s nuts off, but the sound is good ;)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrAjhimVaU0
Title: NA Questions
Post by: CharlieP on June 22, 2010, 08:12:18 AM
Would be pretty boring though :Tongue1
Title: NA Questions
Post by: HaywardRotary on June 22, 2010, 09:03:11 AM
I have built 13b PP\'s that make around 310hp at 8900 rpm.The feel of power is near to what twin turbo FD feels like at revs.
Regards
Carl
Title: NA Questions
Post by: Rex_FTW on June 22, 2010, 10:02:08 AM
That sounds interesting Hayward.
 
What sort of price are we looking at?
 
Do you have any dyno sheets so I can view the power band of the 310hp engine?
 
Cheers
Title: NA Questions
Post by: SiH on June 22, 2010, 10:46:02 AM
Quote from: CharlieP;700724Would be pretty boring though :Tongue1

A high revving NA is anything but boring! It\'s a joy to work an NA though high revs, and with a throttle response that it\'s nigh on impossible to come close to with a turbo!
The thought of a high 200\'s NA in an FD or better still, in an NA MX5, is hugely appealing!
Title: NA Questions
Post by: CharlieP on June 22, 2010, 11:03:29 AM
So why have you got turbos then :p
Title: NA Questions
Post by: SiH on June 22, 2010, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: CharlieP;700746So why have you got turbos then :p

Because it\'s a hell of a lot cheaper :D
Title: NA Questions
Post by: HaywardRotary on June 22, 2010, 01:30:01 PM
Here is another one with slightly higher in the revs peak power.
Notice that at 4500rpm it is already 100hp.
regards
Carl
Title: NA Questions
Post by: neil_jdmr on June 22, 2010, 07:33:56 PM
That dyno sheet looks like a great powerband and revving out at 9500 sound like my cup o tea.
 
I think that would be an amazing sounding and probably very drivable engine.
 
What would the internal wear and tear be like on an engine like this? i mean would it be in a similar bracket to high power single turbo 13b\'s due to the level of modification and such closer tolerances when getting pushed or would the NA factor reduce this?.