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General => General Technical => Anything Engine/Performance/Tuning related => Topic started by: Donato on May 18, 2004, 10:16:06 AM

Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Donato on May 18, 2004, 10:16:06 AM
I have an ARC which im told isnt the best, it is proving difficult to get filters for so....

What are the various options for replacing my induction kit for a twin turbo, greddy, apexi etc etc...?

What do you have and what do you think i should go for?

(pictures would be handy too!!)

Thanks

Donato
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: J4P RX on May 18, 2004, 10:23:11 AM
Apexi.  Couldnt find a decent pic yesterday but someone must have one.
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 10:33:09 AM
worth noting you should take into account cooling and ducting with aftermarket filters

I am starting to think the stock set up is more efficient than my Apexi, I need some shielding
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Donato on May 18, 2004, 10:59:59 AM
The ARC box that i currently have is ducted and does provide good heat protection, its near enough the same shape as the stock. In fact it uses the stock mounting points. Made out of Aluminium...

Thanks Dave! Now i really don\'t know what to do!! :confused: ;) How is your one running now that you have run it in? Looking forward to seeing it at rotorstock.
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 11:02:58 AM
I\'ve yet to find anyone supplying a heat shield for the Apexi twin filter set up, anyone ?
I\'ve found ducting amazing difficult to get through my front bumper etc, when the car is resprayed I will probably get some vents cut

The engine is fantastic, its being mapped at Abbey on Thursday
so I can\'t push it at all at the moment until thats all done

Unfortunately it won\'t be resprayed in time for Rotorstock :(

Dave
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Donato on May 18, 2004, 11:13:28 AM
Geff @ Reworx is getting me a price for the ARC filters, will see what its going to cost before i consider the apexi.

I would have liked to have got mine resprayed before rotorstock, due to the damage jealous idiots have done to it, but im wanting to get it done right, starting with replacing the front bumper as my one is tatty, taking all the bodykit off and replacing the rivets holding them on with better ones as the rivets on it are starting to come out and hopefully blending it all in.

By the end of the summer all going well i should have it resprayed with a newly refurbished interior too!

Anyone got a picture of the Apexi induction setup, interested to see it...

Cheers

Donato
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 11:14:53 AM
yeah my bodyworks looking a bit tatty, still need the arches rolled and body kit redone
All costs money though, I decided I\'m going on holiday instead :)
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Donato on May 18, 2004, 11:24:38 AM
Tell me about it! Fortunately i can manage both this year, my girlfriend wouldnt be to happy if i told her the holiday wasn\'t happening so i could get a respray! :rolleyes: :)

Cheers
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 11:26:48 AM
they are a pain, mines compalined I\'ve been away without her too much this year

its work darling, honest :)
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Welsh Dan on May 18, 2004, 03:37:22 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by davefrith
they are a pain, mines compalined I\'ve been away without her too much this year

The car or the girlfriend? :D
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 03:44:40 PM
:rollin :rollin
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: bnaellis on May 18, 2004, 03:53:16 PM
Donata,

Please ditch the arc induction kit.
You can get any kit just make sure it has suitable heat shield if not make one up.

rgds
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Donato on May 18, 2004, 03:57:58 PM
Hi Brian,

Im thinking of doing just that!

Everyone seems to think the same thing. What is it about the ARC that is bad..?

Cheers

Donato
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: 20B_boy on May 18, 2004, 04:09:38 PM
How is ARC worse than any other kit? cant see the logic as to why myself...
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: mr_tim on May 18, 2004, 04:27:22 PM
The lower filter sits directly over the rad, and the aluminium is so susceptible  to heat soak it\'s mad!

If staying with stocks turbos and intercooler i\'d go GruppeM all the way.
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 04:28:14 PM
how much is gruppeM and what comes with it ?
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: mr_tim on May 18, 2004, 04:38:08 PM
MintyFresh has just installed his kit  here (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6017)

IIRC it\'s about £450
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 04:40:19 PM
£450. !!!!!!!!!! :rollin
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Donato on May 18, 2004, 04:49:16 PM
davefrith - how much is gruppeM and what comes with it ?

No holiday spending money! :rollin
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 04:51:24 PM
sorry £450 for a bit of plastic is pretty excessive

but each to their own, it looks nice I suppose  :)
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: mr_tim on May 18, 2004, 04:55:23 PM
hand layed carbon fibre :p keeps heat soak to a minimum I guess the price is dictated by the bulk of their target market - Fezza owners;)
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 04:56:55 PM
ah that explains it then :)

thats half the cost of my respray
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: Wav on May 18, 2004, 05:19:37 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by davefrith
ah that explains it then :)

thats half the cost of my respray

Wow that\'s a cheap respray:bandit

I did a fair bit of testing with different airfilters for my old 5GTT and putting the standard airbox back on gave a fair amount more torque lower down than any induction kit did and nowadays a lot of people in the GTT community running big power have gone back to using an OE airbox with K&N replacement filter, i mean at the end of the day many millions had probably been spent designing the thing in the first place, at a compromise maybe, but it is definitely better than sucking in hot air. Induction kits can definitely flow better at higher rpm due to less restrictions etc, but you really have to have a very good flow of cold air to the filter. So the GruppeM is definitely the best of both worlds and is probably worth the premium, maybe, :confused: ;)

Paul:)
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 18, 2004, 05:29:29 PM
I\'m at Abbey on Thursday so will see what they can advise in terms of shielding
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: smarts on May 18, 2004, 05:35:32 PM
Has anyone tried the Racing Beat cold air intake thingummy - I\'m thinking of getting one but i would be interested if anyone has any feedback on it.

cheers

Si
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: MintyFresh on May 19, 2004, 09:29:49 AM
the GruppeM is awesome :D

Looks good, sounds good, and does its job even better.   It was a shame about the price, but you dont see many carbon fibre air boxes with  a near direct feed from the bumper.  I love mine.
Title: Induction kit options, what to go for?
Post by: davefrith on May 19, 2004, 09:31:14 AM
and so you should my friend :)