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Cars by Model Type => 1st generation RX-7's => Topic started by: A7RXY on January 18, 2010, 02:44:25 PM

Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 18, 2010, 02:44:25 PM
I have just found a leak between the master cylinder and servo unit, as the car was laid up for some 11 years, I hope it my only be a dried gasket between the two, any idears about the best way to replace this would help,
also does anyone know if parts a still available for comlpete rebuild if required ?
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: Ian65 on January 18, 2010, 07:48:02 PM
If its leaking fluid between the master cylinder and the servo then the seals in the master cylinder need replacing. The master cylinder is a fluid tight unit and no fluid should escape.
There isn\'t a sealing gasket between the servo and cylinder ( at least there wasn\'t on mine).
It\'s a pretty simple repair. Undo the brake lines from the cylinder, unbolt it from the servo and then take the circlip out of the end of the cylinder to remove the piston and replace the seals. Reassembly is the reverse as they say...
 
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The biggest hassle will be bleeding the brakes but a full fluid change after such a long lay up can\'t hurt.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 18, 2010, 08:09:28 PM
Thanks Ian, I changed the fliud when I recond the calipers and changed the brake lines and hoses, but hey whats a fliud change between friends............
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: myatt1972 on January 18, 2010, 08:14:44 PM
When you strip the cylinder have a good clean out and check the bore for rust, if it looks a bit rough chuck the whole thing and get new one.
You may well get one from a motor factors, new old stock.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: Ian65 on January 18, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
the spares availability re these should be fine. There are thousands still on the road in the U.S. and I would imagine Mazda would still provide support for these as they are a maintenance/ service item.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 18, 2010, 09:03:06 PM
I have found them on U.S sites, but none so far on UK ones, I\'ll try Mazda tomorrow.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: Ian65 on January 18, 2010, 09:12:36 PM
as Keith says, strip the cylinder 1st and check the condition of the bore or you may end up with a repair kit that you don\'t need!
When you changed the brake lines Dibs, did you replace the flexibles and the hard lines and if you did the hard lines, did you use factory parts or copper?
Just wondered cause I\'m trying to decide how far to go with the refurb of the lines on my project car and wondered if factory hard lines were still available?
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 18, 2010, 09:27:12 PM
Ian I had to use copper lines as at the time I could not find steel ones, as for the flexibles, I got a full set of new ones from Mazda but did not use them on the car, only as patterns to get stainless braided ones made up.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: syebba on January 19, 2010, 11:11:18 AM
Jimmys has brake master cylinders at £145 [uk]
mazda brake master cylinder repair kit was £62.87 from TW white & sons[march 05]
part nos    HA1849610A
 
Ta stu..
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 19, 2010, 11:15:32 AM
I looked on Jimmy\'s site and they only show clutch masters
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: syebba on January 19, 2010, 11:20:30 AM
ur right,only clutch masters:Hammer
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 19, 2010, 11:23:55 AM
Thanks any way Stu.............
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 19, 2010, 01:14:10 PM
Good news Mazda still have master cylinders and repair kits in stock, bad news is they are £200 and £100, I have ordered a new one and it should be here Thursday.......oh happy days

  PS you can buy them in the US for under $100
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: Ian65 on January 19, 2010, 03:53:47 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;666323Good news Mazda still have master cylinders and repair kits in stock, bad news is they are £200 and £100, I have ordered a new one and it should be here Thursday.......oh happy days
 
PS you can buy them in the US for under $100

outrageous!! Mazda dealers should wear a mask and carry a bag marked \'swag\'
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 19, 2010, 04:00:03 PM
Thats right Ian......I could have got a body shell or even a breaker for almost the same price..............funny old world
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: David Nock (RIP) on January 19, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;666323Good news Mazda still have master cylinders and repair kits in stock, bad news is they are £200 and £100, I have ordered a new one and it should be here Thursday.......oh happy days

Any chance of part Nos Dibs - when they arrive - only for future.
Ta Dave
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 19, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
Will do............
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: myatt1972 on January 19, 2010, 10:54:29 PM
I think the old b series pick-up had the same cylinder, will find out tomorrow.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 21, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
Just picked up master cylinder from Mazda.

  David, Part No FA 66-43-400    cost £173.37 + vat.

I got a 15% discount so I paid £173.15 inc vat.

 Now all I have to do is fit it..........out come the axle stands again.............
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: THE MAD KIWI on January 21, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
wow in nz you can get new (copys) for about $70nz about £30
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on January 21, 2010, 01:58:40 PM
They are lass than $100 in the US, its just getting them sent over.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: David Nock (RIP) on January 21, 2010, 03:56:41 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;666820Just picked up master cylinder from Mazda.

  David, Part No FA 66-43-400    cost £173.37 + vat.

I got a 15% discount so I paid £173.15 inc vat.

Thanks Dibs, Noted and stored in my \'Mazda bits and pieces\' cupboard.
Dave.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: David Nock (RIP) on January 21, 2010, 04:00:09 PM
Quote from: syebba;666306mazda brake master cylinder repair kit was £62.87 from TW white & sons[march 05]
part nos    HA1849610A
 
Ta stu..
And repair kit, thanks Stu.
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: syebba on February 09, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;666820Just picked up master cylinder from Mazda.
 
David, Part No FA 66-43-400 cost £173.37 + vat.
 
I got a 15% discount so I paid £173.15 inc vat.
 
Now all I have to do is fit it..........out come the axle stands again.............

How did u get a 15% discount?
Did u manage ok with the repair kit?
ta stu...
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on February 09, 2010, 08:54:11 PM
Hi Stu
 The discount came about because a dealer friend ordered it for me. Its all fitted now and brakes are working perfect.
  I did not bother with the repair kit, just went for a new master.

    Dibs
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: syebba on February 09, 2010, 09:00:47 PM
Cool.[ mine was done 2005,just the repair kit]
Seems to be a common problem on fb\'s that the rear inside faces of the brake discs corrode.
ta stu..
Title: Brake leakage
Post by: A7RXY on February 09, 2010, 09:24:52 PM
Yer I got new front discs, but when I went to fit them and took the cap off over the castle nut the grease was in such good condition I did not want to disturb the bearings, so I just cleaned the old ones up with a wire brush as they were in good nick, the rear ones cleaned up ok aswell.