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Replacing pads all round as there getting near the limit, and ive been recommended a set of black diamonds. Anyone had any experience with \'em?

Extent of my knowledge of black diamond gear is a set of their discs on my old, almost ashamed to say it, saxo ( i got mine b4 they were a boy racer fav!) which were good but obviously no comparison as im guessing the old rex has a bit stronger brakes than the laxo:D and they were discs not pads of course.

cheers!

Scuts

I haven\'t used them personally, I\'ve got Hawk Fast Road Pads on mine but I am interested in changing as the amount of brake dust is geting silly !

I got recommended to go to shy autos, and they\'ve recommended black diamonds, so just seeing how other people have got on with \'em.

Yeah i\'ve heard that bout hawks, theyre a bit squeaky as well arent they? whats the actual braking of \'em like?

They work very well, I\'ve had them on track and they faded a lot but seem fine for road use,  never noticed any squeaking to be honest although some people do
I\'d reccomend them

I\'m just trying to get pads that chuck off less dust as I don\'t have time to clean my alloys every day and the brake dust is unbeliveable !!

lol, i know its a pain. I had a set of EBC\'s on the saxo which had virtually no brake dust but ive been told theyre a no-go on a rex so im steering well clear

yeah i heard the Green Stuff EBC pads were a bit shite so I steered clear

Think you will find black diamond are disc\'s not pads, my black car has black diamond drilled and grooved disc\'s which I will be putting on yellow and upgrading the black a little later. I use hawk pads, fan bloody tastic but dust like you wont believe so much that with hawk plus on rear and hawk ht10 on front, have never faded on track and squeak is set dependant, one set does and then the next set dosnt. Front dust has soooo badly damaged laqu on front wheels that brick acid and wire wool will not remove it so will have to get them refurbed.

QuoteThink you will find black diamond are disc\'s not pads

I thought the same so checked the website (//www.blackdiamondperformance.com) and it turns out they do pads aswell now. Main reason I know bugger all about them as i didnt know they existed till yesterday :D

Cheers for info on Hawks, i\'d like to get some pads with as little brake dust as poss but not gonna compromise performance for it.

sorry if it is a bit of thread hijack but i used ebc red stuff on my t2 and they were ok the only problem i had regarding brakes was that the brake fluid gave up before the pads did. But hey it was donington which is known to be a brake killer. Also if you guys think that ebc is a no go why you say this as i would like to know because i am not very experienced on track and maybe that is why i have not had any problems with them.
cheers all

To be fair I havent heard much bad about the pads, ive heard of  people warping the discs though.
Just generally got warned off EBC products

Got Hawks fitted to the FD as it came into the country with Greenstuff already fitted. Noticeable difference, in dust and stopping distances! Fitted the Hawks cause the Greenstuff pads were pants!

Also had Greenstuff pads fitted to the FTO, but changed them to MIntex 1155\'s which were fantastic. Little dust and once they got some heat into them had great stopping power. Im tempted to get a set for the FD although they are a little expensive. Twice the proce of Hawks.

Ian

used to have green stuff on me scoob & OK for non OTT road use but they do have a bad rep for totally feking up in particular discs when given it large!!!
Si

so you guys are not mad keen on the ebc pads, ok then i have heard quite a few good reports with reference to the mintex 1144 and 1155s but where can i find more information on them like for instance what temperature do they operate from you might say are ok for road use 0c to what temperature, i think if i remember rightly the redstuff worked straight away and right upto 750c the letter c means celsius, then i think you could make a fair judgement as to which is better

1155\'s are illegal for road use, (it says so on the box!!), however they are damn fine pads and I might just be tempted to get another set even considering the price. They did however last a good length of time on the FTO which was a little heavier then the FD. Did two track days at Goodwood and another at Castle Coomb where I got the brakes so hot I melted the spigot rings in the wheels! I did not however suffer any fade.

Try looking up the tech info on the Mintex site, but from memory 1155\'s have to get to something like 65 deg before they start to work properly.

Have no experience of the 1144\'s

Hi All,

Mintex 1144\'s would have been a good all round pad for the FD as would Ferodo DS compounds, but sadly neither company make these in the dimensions of the FD pad, so you can\'t fit them !

You will find l have written this stuff up elsewhere on the site, but here we go l will bore you all again with not only my opinions but also what l have actually seen and know !

 
I personaly beleive EBC discs on an RX-7 really are downright dangerous, l have seen several cars with blued, warped and even cracked discs !!

On other makes l have seen again and again that for instance that if you use their Green Stuff one car will go through them in literally a couple of thousand miles and another identical car will be wearing their Discs out as they are so dammed  hard ! apparently they go to Taiwan or China to fulfil their stock orders and the poor customer either ends up with granite pads or cardboard depending on who made them  !

l have found all this puzzling though as they have an excellent  reputation in the bike world !! but sadly not the car world , l have implored my members not to fit EBC for the above safety reasons.

The Hawk HP+ pads are perfectly OK, but have two down sides they are a bit grab n stop, and messy ( lots of FD owners moan about the dust )  

If HP+ is fitted to the front they really do need to be fitted to the back as well, one of my first upgrades to my FD around 6 years ago was HP+ on the front and l found l was chattering the front tyres on the ABS on a dry road due to insufficient braking on the rear, l fitted them to the rear within a week as l felt the car was unsafe for my driving !!!!  

If  however you are into a fair few trackdays and don\'t wish to spend lots of money H10\'s with HP+ fitted to the rear coupled with braided brake lines and good brake fluid gives an excellent low budget brake set up.

Downside to H10\'s is that they can squeal and need a bit of heat in them so they work efficiently.

This thread started with the question about Black Diamond Pads, these have only been on the market a couple of months to fit the FD but they appear so far to be a good fast road pad for the FD with little dust compared to the HP+ and not quite so grab n stop as the HP+.

I wanted something a little different on my car and wanted a calliper that would let me fit Ferodo, because of my conversion l am able to fit DS2500 in the front but l use the \'\'bite \'\' of the HP+ in the rear to keep my brake balance (bias) good.  //www.shyauto.com/yellowbrakes


Hope all this boring info helps someone !, l will get off me soap box now, grab me coat and leave you all to it now.

Cheers Clive, Just the sort of info I was looking for :)

After reading that I think I will go with the black diamonds, as I very much doubt I do any trackdays this year, and the low dust and effective temp are plus\' too. Uprated brake fluid as well methinks.

I\'ll post up how i get on with them :)

Cheers

Andy

Hi Andy,

Blimey I must be losing  my touch, your still awake after all my drivel :rollin :rollin :rollin

Seriously l\'m pleased it helped:) :)

QuoteOriginally posted by iiyama
1155\'s are illegal for road use, (it says so on the box!!), however they are damn fine pads and I might just be tempted to get another set even considering the price. They did however last a good length of time on the FTO which was a little heavier then the FD. Did two track days at Goodwood and another at Castle Coomb where I got the brakes so hot I melted the spigot rings in the wheels! I did not however suffer any fade.

Since when ?  Only reason I only used 1 set on my old MX-5 was because I couldn;t get any ore (once I learnt how to drive them in properly).

BTW - EBC Green Stuff v4 seem to work well on light cars.

I bought a set of hawk pads for the front and rear with new disk brakes, but I only fitted the rears (as the fronts were fine) all I can say is do not go with hawks if you don’t like brake dust it’s a really good pad bites great but it completely destroys my alloys as I have a polished dish on them they get covered in dust even after a gentle drive!

I have only just bought these and spent quite a bit of money on my brake setup but am not happy with the amount of brake dust the hawks leave I am going probably going to take them out, buy a set of standard pads or something that don’t leave so much dust.



shaQ

Shag - Agree mate

The amount of dust given out is a bit silly, I can\'t clean my wheels all the time and the dust is very corrosive, especially in alloys that are hard to clean.

So EBC seem to be out of the question
Black Diamond is yet to be tested

Anything else worth trying at a decent price?

dave
(its shaQ btw! lol !)

Corrosive ! you being serious ! sh*t I did not have a chance to clean it last night as I got back very late I am at work now! hope they will be ok as long as it dont rain should be ok,
 I don’t want my volk s damaged! I seriously want to change the hawks you are right the dust is crazy !


Do you reckon I should just buy a set of standard pads or something ?!? I hope some one puts a review on the black diamonds soon, I already bought hawks for the front I think I will leave them now!
Don’t get me wrong pads bite great but cant stand the dust!


Wish I researched a bit more on pads etc….


shaQ

QuoteOriginally posted by Shaq
dave
(its shaQ btw! lol !)
 

whoops sorry ! :rollin

I\'m gonna loojk into various pads etc when mine need changing and funds allow, in the meantime I\'m gonna just try and keep my alloys clean but the basta*d stuff keeps pitting in !!

Performance Friction dust is a nightmare.  Loads of it, really corrosive and hard to get off the wheel (Im pretty much pouring acid on lol).

Next time the wheel is clean, put some polish on it.  Will make it much easier to clean the next time.

Lee

ok while you are all listen :)

What do people use to clean their wheels, I\'m finding that a product like Halfords wheel cleaner doesn\'t get the pitted stuff off only makes the lighter stuff easier to wipe off

Using a abrasive cloth will damage the wheel but gets it off a bit better. Anyone got any top tips ? A magic product that just disolves the dust and doesen\'t harm the wheels would be great !!

Im using this Coma stuff, but not the cheap normal one some like vinegar thing which was about £8.

It did seem expensive and I dont know how safe it is, but Autoglym couldnt remove the dust at all, and with some scrubbing this has worked.  Its better than a refurb I thought I might of needed.

where did you get it from ?

Halfrauds

cool I\'ll try and get some

dave

cool, i really dont like these pads ! any1 know where i can get stock rear pads from apart from mazda ?

i use hot wheels from meguires (sp) its good,
once you have cleaned them stick some sort of polish/wax on them to protect them from the dust.
but when i need to clean my rims when the are proper dirty i use gunk !


shaQ

QuoteOriginally posted by Shaq
dave
(its shaQ btw! lol !)

Corrosive ! you being serious ! sh*t I did not have a chance to clean it last night as I got back very late I am at work now! hope they will be ok as long as it dont rain should be ok,
 I don’t want my volk s damaged! I seriously want to change the hawks you are right the dust is crazy !


Do you reckon I should just buy a set of standard pads or something ?!? I hope some one puts a review on the black diamonds soon, I already bought hawks for the front I think I will leave them now!
Don’t get me wrong pads bite great but cant stand the dust!


Wish I researched a bit more on pads etc….



shaQ

Please don\'t PANIC about your wheels.

I have run HP+ for some 5or 6 years and whilst l do not run them on the front now I can tell you that they have   NEVER damaged my laquer ever.

As you were told \'\' every time you drive down the road you will be able to wipe the wheel with your finger and get a black finger\'\'

Hope this helps.

clive

Thanks for the advice.

shaQ

So how much are standard front pads from Mazda? and are they really that bad that you have to buy uprated items? if you\'re not planning on doing trackdays and the like.

Regards,

Paul:)

Just to let everybody know ive ordered a set of black diamond pads, got them from shy autos for about £95 all in (front and rear).

I should get them on monday so once there on and bedded in i\'ll let you all know what I think of them, bite, brake dust, fade, etc.

I\'ll be the :D
(yes i know its a hamster but i couldnt find a guniea pig!)

Ice one - will expect full review soon :)

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Si (watching with interest)

QuoteOriginally posted by GaryS
Since when ?  Only reason I only used 1 set on my old MX-5 was because I couldn;t get any ore (once I learnt how to drive them in properly).

BTW - EBC Green Stuff v4 seem to work well on light cars.

Well thats what the box said! I guess its to do with the fact that you need heat in them before they work at their best? TBH its was nearly two years ago that I fitted them to the FTO, so maybe they\'ve changed the spec? Ill let ya know if and when I get a set!

Totaly agree with the Green Stuff sentiment. Cars like the Caterham etal are great with these pads. I personally wouldnt use them again on an FTO or an FD, total pants!

Ian

hi all
after owning my car for about six months, i was due new pads and being really inexperienced with rex\'s i was told to go for red stuffs front and rear, which i did. me and red stuffs really didn\'t get along, i found that there cold temp braking was almost non-exsistent and they shed loads of dust and i got through them in about 5 thousand miles! so about six weeks back i went to clive at shy\'s and he hooked me up with a set of back diamond pads, which i bedded in propley and since then been really putting them through there paces. i\'m genuinly impressed on how there\'ve been compared to red stuffs. much less brake dust, better low temp braking and no fade.
cheers
tom:)

EBC Red Stuff does not have a good reputation any where.

To be honest, on the track I\'ve so far not really had a problem with the present pads which I assume are OEM - that is once I\'d stopepd braking like it was still raining heavilly (shut up Ian, Lee :p ).

I do have a full set of Performance Friction waiting to go on though.

whadIsay?? :-)

Ian

He menas Iain, who was treated to a few laps of Silverstone on Monday in Garys car.

Ahhhhhhhh! :rollin

QuoteOriginally posted by J4P RX
He menas Iain, who was treated to a few laps of Silverstone on Monday in Garys car.

Yeah other Iain :rolleyes:

QuoteOriginally posted by clive
I personaly beleive EBC discs on an RX-7 really are downright dangerous, l have seen several cars with blued, warped and even cracked discs !!

On other makes l have seen again and again that for instance that if you use their Green Stuff one car will go through them in literally a couple of thousand miles and another identical car will be wearing their Discs out as they are so dammed  hard ! apparently they go to Taiwan or China to fulfil their stock orders and the poor customer either ends up with granite pads or cardboard depending on who made them  !

l have found all this puzzling though as they have an excellent  reputation in the bike world !! but sadly not the car world , l have implored my members not to fit EBC for the above safety reasons.

Cant agree more with the above... EBC even admit that their car stuff is not up the scratch. (Told a couple of years ago)

I have spent  a lot of time and money with brakes over the years, using Hawk, Performance Friction, Pagid, Mintex, etc. etc.

I found that the best road pads were the P.F. Z rated, and they even managed 5-6 laps of dono before starting to go off. For full on abuse I found the Pagid 4-2-1 and the P.F. 83 compound very good, no fade at all.

I have Hawk + on the front of my FD at present, and cant say anything bad about them. Cold/damp weather makes them squeal but once warm they stop that.

Back to standard brakes is a shock when coming back from AP 6 pot monsters. :D

Fish

ScuttleRX

have you put the black diamond pads on your car yet? please let me know.....


thanks

shaQ

Im putting some on mine Sunday.  Hope they are good, but anything is better than what I have now which is so bad I cant drive the car.

Lee

cool let me know how you get on, also if you could please let me know how much brake dust it releases, my hawks are crazy for releasing dust!


thanks

shaQ