Title: Project moves slowly along
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 08:56:11 AM
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 08:56:11 AM
Hi all,
This is how my project looks at the moment.
Hopefully it will move along faster when complete?!!
Thanks to Clive for all his work on the car so far.
Kind regards
Carl
This is how my project looks at the moment.
Hopefully it will move along faster when complete?!!
Thanks to Clive for all his work on the car so far.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Fish on April 21, 2004, 09:10:14 AM
Post by: Fish on April 21, 2004, 09:10:14 AM
Should buzz along quick enough. ;)
fish
fish
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Matt on April 21, 2004, 09:34:19 AM
Post by: Matt on April 21, 2004, 09:34:19 AM
Carl,
What car is it your working on?
What car is it your working on?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on April 21, 2004, 09:36:34 AM
Post by: 20B_boy on April 21, 2004, 09:36:34 AM
His black FD. ?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: antnicuk on April 21, 2004, 09:41:13 AM
Post by: antnicuk on April 21, 2004, 09:41:13 AM
Hi Carl,
looks like you have heavy part done. Now you just gotta bold all the goodies on. Are you making your own inlet/exhaust manifolds?
regards
tony
looks like you have heavy part done. Now you just gotta bold all the goodies on. Are you making your own inlet/exhaust manifolds?
regards
tony
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 12:10:44 PM
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 12:10:44 PM
wow :god so just to scare me how much would you be looking at for a bog standard ;) lol 4 rotor?
Si
Si
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 12:57:35 PM
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 12:57:35 PM
I have worked out a price for a drop your car off and pick it up as a turn key a few weeks later for a 3 rotor engined FD.
This would be N/A with fuel injection and around
450 FWHP,9000rpm capable.
If anyone is serious about this I would be happy to speak with them with more detail.
Kind regards
Carl
This would be N/A with fuel injection and around
450 FWHP,9000rpm capable.
If anyone is serious about this I would be happy to speak with them with more detail.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 01:02:16 PM
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 01:02:16 PM
stop it satan (read i\'ll ask the question when a rebuild looms)
Si
Si
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on April 21, 2004, 01:25:29 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on April 21, 2004, 01:25:29 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by CarlInteresting...presume your talking about a PP short crank Carl? do you mind me asking what/who\'s \'crank\' this would use? And how (where) would it be mounted?
I have worked out a price for a drop your car off and pick it up as a turn key a few weeks later for a 3 rotor engined FD.
This would be N/A with fuel injection and around
450 FWHP,9000rpm capable.
If anyone is serious about this I would be happy to speak with them with more detail.
Kind regards
Carl
THanks,
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 02:30:51 PM
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 02:30:51 PM
Hi Rich,
This is short block 3 rotor mounted in the stock position,and also front mounted too, with battery relocated to interior of the car and no airpump,no intercooler,no turbos,so much weight is lost up front which would still keep the cars balance.
Shaft is made for me.
The engine would be peripheral ported.
Kind regards
Carl
This is short block 3 rotor mounted in the stock position,and also front mounted too, with battery relocated to interior of the car and no airpump,no intercooler,no turbos,so much weight is lost up front which would still keep the cars balance.
Shaft is made for me.
The engine would be peripheral ported.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Fish on April 21, 2004, 04:02:05 PM
Post by: Fish on April 21, 2004, 04:02:05 PM
Picture 1
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Fish on April 21, 2004, 04:02:50 PM
Post by: Fish on April 21, 2004, 04:02:50 PM
Picture 2
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Archbish on April 21, 2004, 04:06:57 PM
Post by: Archbish on April 21, 2004, 04:06:57 PM
so about another afternoon or so to finish it... (not including putting the bonnet back on, of course...)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: yonner on April 21, 2004, 04:57:01 PM
Post by: yonner on April 21, 2004, 04:57:01 PM
oh my sweet mother of jesus mary adn her mammy aswell fooking hell lol how u gona go about fule imput u going for carbs or fuel injection. are u gona turbo it? finaly an rx7 that can get up a hill :P
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on April 21, 2004, 05:07:01 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on April 21, 2004, 05:07:01 PM
clives cars looking a bit light at the front ;) whats he having done to the engine now :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 05:46:53 PM
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 05:46:53 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by yonner
oh my sweet mother of jesus mary adn her mammy aswell fooking hell lol how u gona go about fule imput u going for carbs or fuel injection. are u gona turbo it? finaly an rx7 that can get up a hill :P
It is going to run on petrol and carbs at first and go to fuel injection later.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 05:48:40 PM
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 05:48:40 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by MikeLMR
clives cars looking a bit light at the front ;) whats he having done to the engine now :D
Yes,Clive wants more power so the engine is being worked on right now,big porting and the full top secret works.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Flat_Steve on April 21, 2004, 07:07:15 PM
Post by: Flat_Steve on April 21, 2004, 07:07:15 PM
Hang on, let me get this straight, a THREE rotor normally aspirated engine, with 450bhp? Holy sweet mother of God!! How much, when, where, and how can I fit one to my other car (mk6 Escort) :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: yonner on April 21, 2004, 08:39:05 PM
Post by: yonner on April 21, 2004, 08:39:05 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
It is going to run on petrol
haha
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: GaryS on April 21, 2004, 09:13:57 PM
Post by: GaryS on April 21, 2004, 09:13:57 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Flat_SteveI\'m waiting for some one (Rich, Glen ?) to ask about what would happen with bunging a turbo or SC on it :rolleyes:
Hang on, let me get this straight, a THREE rotor normally aspirated engine, with 450bhp? Holy sweet mother of God!! How much, when, where, and how can I fit one to my other car (mk6 Escort) :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: yonner on April 21, 2004, 09:17:49 PM
Post by: yonner on April 21, 2004, 09:17:49 PM
there was a 3 rotor turbo rx7 on auto trader it was pink heh it claimd 600 ponies and 900 runing nos 30k was abit out of our reach lol i beleve it ran the european gumbal
edit: pink panther i beleve it was called i also saw it on ebay lol starting at £18k
edit: pink panther i beleve it was called i also saw it on ebay lol starting at £18k
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 10:30:54 PM
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 10:30:54 PM
& that is owned by a chap on here now, "Roundabout-Now", & having seen it in flesh it is pink & it is scary, maybe i\'m just a wimp 
lol
Si
lolSi
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Archbish on April 21, 2004, 10:37:34 PM
Post by: Archbish on April 21, 2004, 10:37:34 PM
why are you so scared of intimidating pink flesh???
what?? What did I say?? *innocent whistles...*
what?? What did I say?? *innocent whistles...*
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 10:47:02 PM
Post by: scooby_si on April 21, 2004, 10:47:02 PM
I\'ve told you before OJ the restraining order is still in effect your not allowed anywhere near me with that! 
lol
Seriously his thingy was 50% bigger than mine & i felt so inferior i had to go & batter mine about later that day.
Si (sadly it\'s all car related (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/happy/11zwinky.gif) lol)
lolSeriously his thingy was 50% bigger than mine & i felt so inferior i had to go & batter mine about later that day.
Si (sadly it\'s all car related (http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/happy/11zwinky.gif) lol)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: Carl on April 21, 2004, 10:52:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Archbish
so about another afternoon or so to finish it... (not including putting the bonnet back on, of course...)
Yes OJ, I think another afternoon will sort it all out.
Then the bonnet will take about 3 or 4 weeks to get right.:DThe real difficulty with bonnet\'s is knowing which is the front and then by the time you have sorted that out you have forgotten whether you have it up the right way or not.It\'s a bit like those rubiks cube things,you end up taking all the stickers off to get the colours to line up on the right side.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on April 21, 2004, 11:01:29 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on April 21, 2004, 11:01:29 PM
Lol now we know why Clives car hasn\'t got a bonnet on it at most shows :rollin
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Archbish on April 21, 2004, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: Archbish on April 21, 2004, 11:54:53 PM
Quotehis thingy was 50% bigger than mine & i felt so inferior i had to go & batter mine about later that dayHonestly, size is not everything!! It\'s what you do with it that counts! And if you\'re gonna do that with it, it\'s no you need another man to straighten it out... (still to do with cars....)
QuoteThe real difficulty ... is knowing which is the front and then by the time you have sorted that out you have forgotten whether you have it up the right way or notbut I\'m not entirely sure this is to do with cars...
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: John Yorke on April 22, 2004, 08:12:49 AM
Post by: John Yorke on April 22, 2004, 08:12:49 AM
Carl
What are you using for the ignition and the control of it? And what about fuel delivery.........Thats going to need a fair amount.........I know get OJ on the roof and he can poor it in:D [now I know why the bonnet was causing all those problems] 2 twin choke 40 DCOE fed by some HUGE fuel pump prehaps:eek: ??
What are you using for the ignition and the control of it? And what about fuel delivery.........Thats going to need a fair amount.........I know get OJ on the roof and he can poor it in:D [now I know why the bonnet was causing all those problems] 2 twin choke 40 DCOE fed by some HUGE fuel pump prehaps:eek: ??
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 22, 2004, 08:18:08 AM
Post by: Carl on April 22, 2004, 08:18:08 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by John Yorke
Carl
What are you using for the ignition and the control of it? And what about fuel delivery.........Thats going to need a fair amount.........I know get OJ on the roof and he can poor it in:D [now I know why the bonnet was causing all those problems] 2 twin choke 40 DCOE fed by some HUGE fuel pump prehaps:eek: ??
An ECU is being programmed by Bill Shurvington as we speak,top chap by the way!
The carburettors are a pair of 55mm DCOE\'s.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Fish on April 22, 2004, 09:07:55 AM
Post by: Fish on April 22, 2004, 09:07:55 AM
And a petrol tanker trying to keep with it for fuelling. ;)
Fish
Fish
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 22, 2004, 09:15:18 AM
Post by: Carl on April 22, 2004, 09:15:18 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Fish
And a petrol tanker trying to keep with it for fuelling. ;)
Fish
Actually what I have done is ask Shell to sponsor me,they were very reluctant due to their oil reserve figures being somewhat exagerated,but they agreed to produce a really long filler pipe that would be attached to my local filling station with a direct hook up to my car,I have a 100 mile radius before I run out of pipe.
They of course will have make sure it is the same stuff that Michael Schumacher uses.LOL.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Fish on April 22, 2004, 10:54:20 AM
Post by: Fish on April 22, 2004, 10:54:20 AM
I am sure that should read, \'What Michael Schumacher sits in\' as we all know that F1 cars are controlled from the pits.... :bandit
Fish
Fish
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: CCarlisi on September 27, 2004, 08:55:44 PM
Post by: CCarlisi on September 27, 2004, 08:55:44 PM
Hi Carl,
How is the project going?
I want to thank you for your input on my friend\'s melting apex seal problem awhile back. We are still not certain we found the cause, but we believe the curved leading edge of his exhaust ports is related to the problem. The motor should be torn down this week. Hopefully the damaged parts will provide some clues.
Best,
Chris Carlisi
How is the project going?
I want to thank you for your input on my friend\'s melting apex seal problem awhile back. We are still not certain we found the cause, but we believe the curved leading edge of his exhaust ports is related to the problem. The motor should be torn down this week. Hopefully the damaged parts will provide some clues.
Best,
Chris Carlisi
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on September 27, 2004, 10:15:02 PM
Post by: Carl on September 27, 2004, 10:15:02 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by CCarlisi
Hi Carl,
How is the project going?
I want to thank you for your input on my friend\'s melting apex seal problem awhile back. We are still not certain we found the cause, but we believe the curved leading edge of his exhaust ports is related to the problem. The motor should be torn down this week. Hopefully the damaged parts will provide some clues.
Best,
Chris Carlisi
Hi Chris,
Let me know how you get on with the motor.If I can be of any further assistance do not hesitate to contact me.
My project car is nearly there.
I think we will be trying to start the engine in a day or two.
I have handed some of the work over to a company here who have certain skills and equipment that I do not possess.
I am hoping to have it going in time for a drag meet in a couple of weeks.Time will tell though.
Even if it is running we won\'t be trying for any quick times just yet.Need to test for a while at first.
I will put up some post\'s when it is running.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Shark on September 27, 2004, 10:27:32 PM
Post by: Shark on September 27, 2004, 10:27:32 PM
You looking to take that monster to Pod then Carl?
That would be a treat to see and hear. Must make quite a roar.
That would be a treat to see and hear. Must make quite a roar.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 27, 2004, 11:09:56 PM
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 27, 2004, 11:09:56 PM
Carl!
Please ensure someone is there with a video when you fire it up, and take it for a run.
Be great to hear/see another na 4rotor running in the world! :)
Please ensure someone is there with a video when you fire it up, and take it for a run.
Be great to hear/see another na 4rotor running in the world! :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MillSpeed on September 28, 2004, 11:04:51 AM
Post by: MillSpeed on September 28, 2004, 11:04:51 AM
Always wanted to find out, can you buy peripheral port rotor housings off-the-shelf or are they 100% custom? Also, is the e-shaft a bespoke item? I know there are some aussie companies making e-shafts for multi rotor engines, but have you just made your own? If so, what material did you use? Sorry for all the questions but I\'ve only just stubled accross this tread and I\'m extremely excited! A UK 4-rotor, BOOYAH! Can\'t wait to see vids.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 28, 2004, 11:22:41 AM
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 28, 2004, 11:22:41 AM
You can purchase Mazdaspeed PP housings - V expensive, you can also build PP housings from standard housings blocking off water jackets and using inserts etc.
As for the E Shafts, Jeff Bruce of Precision Engineering in New Zealand makes them - guide on prices here:
General Info on Rotary Kits
This is a general list of parts available to convert mazda 13b type
engines to 3 or 4 rotor variants ,only the modified parts are
listed as most others are mazda items or are easily fabricated
by a competent engine builder.
All prices are in NZ$ and are ex factory so no allowances for
shipping etc have been made .
NZ customers should note that gst is charged on top of these prices.
1. 3rotor crank assy NZ$2100 (12a based version same price)
2. 4rotor crank assy NZ$3200 (includes special rear c/weight)
3. Centre housing modification for 3 or 4 rotor kits NZ$700 (2 req for 4 rotor)
4. Thru stud set (10mm) for 3 rotor NZ$175
5. Thru stud set (10mm) for 4 rotor NZ$195 (12mm also available)
6. Dowel set for 3 rotor kit NZ$110
7. Dowel set for 4 rotor kit NZ$130
8. Direct oil feed for 3/4 rotor kits centre housing NZ$90 (2 req for 4rotor)
this mod is not a necessity only an upgrade for the oiling system.
9. Replacement 20B shaft assy NZ$2100.
10. 20b shaft assy , 3 piece with extra needle bearing assy NZ$2900
11. 13b/12a centre bearing crank kit (includes housing mod) NZ$1800
note that the centre housing mod cost is only for the mod ,it does not
include the cost of a std front gear or the housing ,these items esp
the housings vary greatly in price depending on the year/type. They
can be priced on submission of mazda part number.
As for the E Shafts, Jeff Bruce of Precision Engineering in New Zealand makes them - guide on prices here:
General Info on Rotary Kits
This is a general list of parts available to convert mazda 13b type
engines to 3 or 4 rotor variants ,only the modified parts are
listed as most others are mazda items or are easily fabricated
by a competent engine builder.
All prices are in NZ$ and are ex factory so no allowances for
shipping etc have been made .
NZ customers should note that gst is charged on top of these prices.
1. 3rotor crank assy NZ$2100 (12a based version same price)
2. 4rotor crank assy NZ$3200 (includes special rear c/weight)
3. Centre housing modification for 3 or 4 rotor kits NZ$700 (2 req for 4 rotor)
4. Thru stud set (10mm) for 3 rotor NZ$175
5. Thru stud set (10mm) for 4 rotor NZ$195 (12mm also available)
6. Dowel set for 3 rotor kit NZ$110
7. Dowel set for 4 rotor kit NZ$130
8. Direct oil feed for 3/4 rotor kits centre housing NZ$90 (2 req for 4rotor)
this mod is not a necessity only an upgrade for the oiling system.
9. Replacement 20B shaft assy NZ$2100.
10. 20b shaft assy , 3 piece with extra needle bearing assy NZ$2900
11. 13b/12a centre bearing crank kit (includes housing mod) NZ$1800
note that the centre housing mod cost is only for the mod ,it does not
include the cost of a std front gear or the housing ,these items esp
the housings vary greatly in price depending on the year/type. They
can be priced on submission of mazda part number.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on September 28, 2004, 11:52:47 AM
Post by: Carl on September 28, 2004, 11:52:47 AM
To Build a four rotor engine requires alot of component manufacture and development.
The engine I have built used a custom crank that still needed further modification, as do all of the housings.This takes alot of time.
Then there is the porting which also takes a lot of time to work on.
All of the parts need to be balanced too.
There is much additional work needed over and above what Glenn has posted above to build a complicated engine like this.
It is very time consuming as well.
I am looking forward to it running at the pod,i hope it will be there for the 10th of October,
Don\'t expect any quick times though as it will need alot of fettling!
I plan to at least make one of the biggest noises there,maybe the jet car will be noisier?
Still lots to do,but as I said I hope it will be there.
Kind regards
Carl
The engine I have built used a custom crank that still needed further modification, as do all of the housings.This takes alot of time.
Then there is the porting which also takes a lot of time to work on.
All of the parts need to be balanced too.
There is much additional work needed over and above what Glenn has posted above to build a complicated engine like this.
It is very time consuming as well.
I am looking forward to it running at the pod,i hope it will be there for the 10th of October,
Don\'t expect any quick times though as it will need alot of fettling!
I plan to at least make one of the biggest noises there,maybe the jet car will be noisier?
Still lots to do,but as I said I hope it will be there.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MillSpeed on September 28, 2004, 12:04:56 PM
Post by: MillSpeed on September 28, 2004, 12:04:56 PM
I can imagine! How did you go about filling the ports in the side housings? It\'s so good to see someone taking on such an adventurous project, long live the innovators! Hope she fires up first time mate!
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: grinder on September 28, 2004, 03:57:20 PM
Post by: grinder on September 28, 2004, 03:57:20 PM
only just stumbled across this thread but it makes very good reading !!
good luck with it carl and i hope it works like you are hoping it will :)
good luck with it carl and i hope it works like you are hoping it will :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on September 28, 2004, 05:52:13 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on September 28, 2004, 05:52:13 PM
bummer :( first outing for the four rotor and I\'m going to miss it due to a rally being on the same night/day :(
Rally finishes at the earliest 6am on the sunday and then its a fair old trek from Norfolk to Santa pod and then back up to Lincoln afterwards.
Rally finishes at the earliest 6am on the sunday and then its a fair old trek from Norfolk to Santa pod and then back up to Lincoln afterwards.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: yonner on September 28, 2004, 11:40:06 PM
Post by: yonner on September 28, 2004, 11:40:06 PM
http://www.vintagerotaries.com/FORUM/viewtopic.php?t=220
thot this might be worht a look for u guys wanting p ports
thot this might be worht a look for u guys wanting p ports
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 29, 2004, 12:29:07 AM
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 29, 2004, 12:29:07 AM
Carl - did you mainly use new parts for your engine?
What rotors did you end up using?
What rotors did you end up using?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on September 29, 2004, 09:06:41 AM
Post by: Carl on September 29, 2004, 09:06:41 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by gbutcher
Carl - did you mainly use new parts for your engine?
What rotors did you end up using?
Hi Glenn,
Yes pretty well all new parts.
The rotors are 9.7 to 1 compression,new too.
I have used Iannetti ceramic apex seals too.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 29, 2004, 12:38:02 PM
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 29, 2004, 12:38:02 PM
Excellent stuff Carl.
I have actually been hearing a lot of very good reports about the NRS (Canadian?) seals - you know anything about them?
.btw - Pretty sure I\'ll be going with Ianetti\'s also.
I have actually been hearing a lot of very good reports about the NRS (Canadian?) seals - you know anything about them?
.btw - Pretty sure I\'ll be going with Ianetti\'s also.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on September 29, 2004, 12:54:05 PM
Post by: Carl on September 29, 2004, 12:54:05 PM
I have pulled one engine that had them in and there was a problem with the NRS ones in that the springs were very worn.
One spring had made it\'s way out from under the seal and scored the side housing.
I also think that the end piece is all at the wrong angle and does not seal as well as it could.
The 2 piece Iannetti\'s are better on both counts.
Kind regards
Carl
One spring had made it\'s way out from under the seal and scored the side housing.
I also think that the end piece is all at the wrong angle and does not seal as well as it could.
The 2 piece Iannetti\'s are better on both counts.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on September 29, 2004, 01:00:50 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on September 29, 2004, 01:00:50 PM
The NRS ones are those that Rice is using/retailing Glen?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: scooby_si on September 29, 2004, 10:31:29 PM
Post by: scooby_si on September 29, 2004, 10:31:29 PM
it also has a bit of added dribble now 
as i managed a glimpse of it in the flesh erm metal erm you know wot i mean oh well look forward to hearing & seeing it doing it\'s thing :god
Si
as i managed a glimpse of it in the flesh erm metal erm you know wot i mean oh well look forward to hearing & seeing it doing it\'s thing :godSi
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 30, 2004, 11:31:48 AM
Post by: Glenn Butcher on September 30, 2004, 11:31:48 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by 20B_boy
The NRS ones are those that Rice is using/retailing Glen?
Yeah - I have heard a lot of very good feedback about them, but I believe there is another apex seal being made in Oz that is meant to be better again. I\'m trying to find out some more details on it.
.ps Carl - I changed the title of the thread.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 05:19:10 PM
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 05:19:10 PM
We started the engine on Saturday!!
Sounds very much like it is meant to do something.
It is running very sweetly with one or two minor things that need sorting out.
I do not think the car will be at the Pod next weekend now as there is still loads to do and to rush it would be a mistake,but now that the engine is running I am really pleased.
There is so much torque that at idle, which is steady at 2000 rpm, you need no throttle to move!
Kind regards
Carl
Sounds very much like it is meant to do something.
It is running very sweetly with one or two minor things that need sorting out.
I do not think the car will be at the Pod next weekend now as there is still loads to do and to rush it would be a mistake,but now that the engine is running I am really pleased.
There is so much torque that at idle, which is steady at 2000 rpm, you need no throttle to move!
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on October 02, 2004, 05:33:01 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on October 02, 2004, 05:33:01 PM
*cough*video*cough* :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Shark on October 02, 2004, 05:48:54 PM
Post by: Shark on October 02, 2004, 05:48:54 PM
Congratulations Carl.
Shame you\'re not going to run at pod, but if that would mean rushing then a wise decision.
[Hint mode]
If it\'s not rushing to get the beast there and back without running it up the strip, it would be real treat to see the machine before the shows next season. [/Hint mode] :D
Hope to see you there anyway, with or without that monster so I can try and bend your ear into letting me make a trip over to Newbury just to hear her running.
Shame you\'re not going to run at pod, but if that would mean rushing then a wise decision.
[Hint mode]
If it\'s not rushing to get the beast there and back without running it up the strip, it would be real treat to see the machine before the shows next season. [/Hint mode] :D
Hope to see you there anyway, with or without that monster so I can try and bend your ear into letting me make a trip over to Newbury just to hear her running.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: John Yorke on October 02, 2004, 07:22:04 PM
Post by: John Yorke on October 02, 2004, 07:22:04 PM
Glad you have it running Carl:D As said before me would be good to see [and hear] it in the flesh as it were.
If not then the anticipation will be all the more greater;)
When it does turn up at an event it will make grown men cry:cool
If not then the anticipation will be all the more greater;)
When it does turn up at an event it will make grown men cry:cool
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Glenn Butcher on October 02, 2004, 10:29:45 PM
Post by: Glenn Butcher on October 02, 2004, 10:29:45 PM
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Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: travellinbob on October 02, 2004, 11:21:02 PM
Post by: travellinbob on October 02, 2004, 11:21:02 PM
wow, i too have just stumbled upon this thread,(thanks glenn for the link on the ausrotary forum., carl you are internationally famous!!). Bloody awesome carl. When you said to me that you had built a 4 rotor, i ddnt realise it was the one in you avatar. Me eyes arnt that good:cool oh yeh, and i reckon that a video of this would be the thing that finally made me figure out how to dowload videos.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 11:37:12 PM
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 11:37:12 PM
I know that some of you want to see a vid of the engine running but at the time I was to busy to take one.Sorry about that,but when you are trying to be hands on it is hard to do more than one thing at once.
When we run it again I will do one.
Needless to say it sounds rather nice.
Kind regards
Carl
When we run it again I will do one.
Needless to say it sounds rather nice.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on October 02, 2004, 11:50:14 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on October 02, 2004, 11:50:14 PM
Probably answered this before Carl - but did you use Mazda PP housings or other ones with \'better\' port timing?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 11:52:34 PM
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 11:52:34 PM
Hi Rich,
They are FD housings that are modded.
Kind regards
Carl
They are FD housings that are modded.
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 11:54:28 PM
Post by: Carl on October 02, 2004, 11:54:28 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by John Yorke
Glad you have it running Carl:D As said before me would be good to see [and hear] it in the flesh as it were.
If not then the anticipation will be all the more greater;)
When it does turn up at an event it will make grown men cry:cool
Hi John,
The crying will probably be from the premix in the fuel!!!
LOL
:D
Kind regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Oliver on October 10, 2004, 12:01:21 PM
Post by: Oliver on October 10, 2004, 12:01:21 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
I know that some of you want to see a vid of the engine running but at the time I was to busy to take one.Sorry about that,but when you are trying to be hands on it is hard to do more than one thing at once.
When we run it again I will do one.
Needless to say it sounds rather nice.
Kind regards
Carl
Hello Carl
It must of been a great feeling to see & hear your hard work come alive. Congrates with the your first firing :)
Look forward to seeing a video as well, you have one very exciting project in the works...
Best Regards
Oliver
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: CCarlisi on February 26, 2005, 03:57:21 PM
Post by: CCarlisi on February 26, 2005, 03:57:21 PM
Carl,
Stop neglecting your responsibility to this community -get some videos up :D
Stop neglecting your responsibility to this community -get some videos up :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Scott Zimny on February 26, 2005, 05:03:41 PM
Post by: Scott Zimny on February 26, 2005, 05:03:41 PM
hey there carl.
congratulations on getting the 4 rotor up and running. i\'ll have to make time during the summer when i\'m back from sea to come and see it.
have you managed to get your new premises up and running yet.
the car is still running great, but getting to many ideas on what to do next with it.
:D :D :D
congratulations on getting the 4 rotor up and running. i\'ll have to make time during the summer when i\'m back from sea to come and see it.
have you managed to get your new premises up and running yet.
the car is still running great, but getting to many ideas on what to do next with it.
:D :D :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MattR on February 26, 2005, 06:07:23 PM
Post by: MattR on February 26, 2005, 06:07:23 PM
Hi Carl...
sounds fantastic...you will have to get up to date pics up..so we can all see those new lighting products you have ;)
Cheers
matt
sounds fantastic...you will have to get up to date pics up..so we can all see those new lighting products you have ;)
Cheers
matt
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Martiny on February 27, 2005, 09:57:19 AM
Post by: Martiny on February 27, 2005, 09:57:19 AM
Wow.
Also just stumbled on this thread.
I would love to see the video, or even better, be invited next time its fired up, I am just up the A3 from Newbury. :)
Any chance it will be at RStock???????
Also just stumbled on this thread.
I would love to see the video, or even better, be invited next time its fired up, I am just up the A3 from Newbury. :)
Any chance it will be at RStock???????
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on February 27, 2005, 11:48:56 AM
Post by: 20B_boy on February 27, 2005, 11:48:56 AM
Hows the car going carl? werent u going to do a track day a few months back for a shake down?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on February 27, 2005, 05:31:19 PM
Post by: Carl on February 27, 2005, 05:31:19 PM
Hi Guy\'s,
A bit of an update on the car since this thread has been brought back to life again.
I am working on the car still down at my workshop,and hope to get it to "Rotorstock" but am planning to be running it before then too.
The engine has been running for quite a while but there are lots of things that take alot of time on a job like this,and some of it is unknown territory so I am having to try things out to make sure they work.
The car is fully caged but needs to be painted and there is quite a bit of bodywork to be done before that.
There are a few other mods that I need to do as well,but you can be pretty sure of one thing, I have one of the loudest rotaries you will ever hear!! If you have not heard a rotary that is not silenced before and is running N/A then you will be very suprised at how loud it is, this is one of the reasons for building the car. It is a sound that once heard is never forgotten!
Regards
Carl
;)
A bit of an update on the car since this thread has been brought back to life again.
I am working on the car still down at my workshop,and hope to get it to "Rotorstock" but am planning to be running it before then too.
The engine has been running for quite a while but there are lots of things that take alot of time on a job like this,and some of it is unknown territory so I am having to try things out to make sure they work.
The car is fully caged but needs to be painted and there is quite a bit of bodywork to be done before that.
There are a few other mods that I need to do as well,but you can be pretty sure of one thing, I have one of the loudest rotaries you will ever hear!! If you have not heard a rotary that is not silenced before and is running N/A then you will be very suprised at how loud it is, this is one of the reasons for building the car. It is a sound that once heard is never forgotten!
Regards
Carl
;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: CCarlisi on February 27, 2005, 08:49:40 PM
Post by: CCarlisi on February 27, 2005, 08:49:40 PM
I am very curious to see what kind of mileage you get. I remember we spoke about the pros and cons of a p-port NA 4 rotor vs a 20b with FI over the phone. I purchased a D-series 20b shortly after that conversation. However, after watching/listening to a couple more 4-rotor videos I\'m having second thoughts.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on February 28, 2005, 01:35:58 AM
Post by: Norton on February 28, 2005, 01:35:58 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by CarlSome of you will have heard my m8s 588cc twin rotor running N/A and completely unsilenced at Rotorstock... my ears are still ringing! :D ... i cant begin to imagine what this beast is going to sound like, cant wait! :)
you can be pretty sure of one thing, I have one of the loudest rotaries you will ever hear!! If you have not heard a rotary that is not silenced before and is running N/A then you will be very suprised at how loud it is, this is one of the reasons for building the car. It is a sound that once heard is never forgotten!
Regards Carl ;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 12, 2005, 04:42:01 PM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 12, 2005, 04:42:01 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Hi Guy\'s,
A bit of an update on the car since this thread has been brought back to life again.
I am working on the car still down at my workshop,and hope to get it to "Rotorstock" but am planning to be running it before then too.
The engine has been running for quite a while but there are lots of things that take alot of time on a job like this,and some of it is unknown territory so I am having to try things out to make sure they work.
The car is fully caged but needs to be painted and there is quite a bit of bodywork to be done before that.
There are a few other mods that I need to do as well,but you can be pretty sure of one thing, I have one of the loudest rotaries you will ever hear!! If you have not heard a rotary that is not silenced before and is running N/A then you will be very suprised at how loud it is, this is one of the reasons for building the car. It is a sound that once heard is never forgotten!
Regards
Carl
;)
OMFG, Carl that looks bloody awsome:cool
Cant wait to see that at rotorstock any updates?
plz plz plz plz plz :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on March 12, 2005, 06:07:56 PM
Post by: Carl on March 12, 2005, 06:07:56 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by OLSKOOLROTAR
OMFG, Carl that looks bloody awsome:cool
Cant wait to see that at rotorstock any updates?
plz plz plz plz plz :D
The recipe is cooking nicely!Lots of nice bubbling noises being made and certain odours too!
I will try to take a current pic of the engine bay in the next few days.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 12, 2005, 07:25:52 PM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 12, 2005, 07:25:52 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
The recipe is cooking nicely!Lots of nice bubbling noises being made and certain odours too!
I will try to take a current pic of the engine bay in the next few days.
Regards
Carl
look forward to it:D , provided I have no hiccups on getting my car on the road, I\'m gonna take a trip down to see ya if thats ok Carl I\'ll ring 1st obviously. I need to speak to you regarding engines etc.:wave
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on March 12, 2005, 09:01:21 PM
Post by: Carl on March 12, 2005, 09:01:21 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by OLSKOOLROTAR
look forward to it:D , provided I have no hiccups on getting my car on the road, I\'m gonna take a trip down to see ya if thats ok Carl I\'ll ring 1st obviously. I need to speak to you regarding engines etc.:wave
Now I would really like to see your RX2,I presume you mean that you will be coming in that?
As for the engine side of things,no problem,I will look forward to it.
Regards
Carl:D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 13, 2005, 02:29:47 PM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 13, 2005, 02:29:47 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Now I would really like to see your RX2,I presume you mean that you will be coming in that?
As for the engine side of things,no problem,I will look forward to it.
Regards
Carl:D
Definately coming in the "2", wouldnt even consider polluting your street with my clio oil burner:D .
Just hope I get it on the road asap without any delays:cool
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Archbish on March 25, 2005, 04:38:55 PM
Post by: Archbish on March 25, 2005, 04:38:55 PM
Popped over to Carls last weekend, and took some pics of the car\'s progress...
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
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Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: asp on March 25, 2005, 04:50:02 PM
Post by: asp on March 25, 2005, 04:50:02 PM
now that is f**kin proper,:D
cant wait to here that thing running:D
cant wait to here that thing running:D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on March 25, 2005, 04:54:23 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on March 25, 2005, 04:54:23 PM
really looking forward to seeing this one run, is that a straight pipe I spy :)
should sound ace ... nice job Carl
should sound ace ... nice job Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: scooby_si on March 25, 2005, 05:49:08 PM
Post by: scooby_si on March 25, 2005, 05:49:08 PM
ahhh that just makes me sex wee all over the place 
Si
Si
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Scott Zimny on March 26, 2005, 06:08:50 PM
Post by: Scott Zimny on March 26, 2005, 06:08:50 PM
hi there carl
car is looking brill. hope i get a chance to see it sometime in the summer.
car is looking brill. hope i get a chance to see it sometime in the summer.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 26, 2005, 10:05:58 PM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on March 26, 2005, 10:05:58 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by scooby_si
ahhh that just makes me sex wee all over the place
Si
Just make sure your sticky white love **** dont land in Carls\' engine bay Si :rollin
Looking good carl ;) looks like a whopping huge hornet under the bonnet nice and potent:D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Spotlamp on March 29, 2005, 01:32:27 PM
Post by: Spotlamp on March 29, 2005, 01:32:27 PM
That\'s some nice engineering that\'s gone into that project - nice work Carl, looking forward to seeing her fly.
Can\'t quite get my head around how much torque that thing\'s going to put out, or how louds it\'s going to be... Where\'s that lottery ticket gone... :D
Can\'t quite get my head around how much torque that thing\'s going to put out, or how louds it\'s going to be... Where\'s that lottery ticket gone... :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on March 29, 2005, 09:29:19 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on March 29, 2005, 09:29:19 PM
Who welded up your intake runners and exhaust header Carl? some one local?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on April 10, 2005, 11:08:47 PM
Post by: Norton on April 10, 2005, 11:08:47 PM
How quick should we be expecting this thing to be? Any idea?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: TRex on April 10, 2005, 11:32:26 PM
Post by: TRex on April 10, 2005, 11:32:26 PM
A big respect to the man.... :god
Proper job there, looks ace, well done and good luck with it .... :yes :yes
Proper job there, looks ace, well done and good luck with it .... :yes :yes
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 08:34:01 PM
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 08:34:01 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by NortonOr is it a case of \'I could tell you but then i\'d have to kill you\'? ;)
How quick should we be expecting this thing to be? Any idea?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: g11ary on April 11, 2005, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: g11ary on April 11, 2005, 09:52:00 PM
3 have died already, he puts them up the drainpipe exhaust...
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 11, 2005, 10:08:48 PM
Post by: Carl on April 11, 2005, 10:08:48 PM
I am not expecting any great times but certainly hope to make some NOISE!
This car will take alot of development time,I reckon at least 6 months before I drive it really hard.The main problem is having the time to work on it.
Regards
Carl
This car will take alot of development time,I reckon at least 6 months before I drive it really hard.The main problem is having the time to work on it.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 10:37:23 PM
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 10:37:23 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by g11aryLOL, i wont peer up it then :D
3 have died already, he puts them up the drainpipe exhaust...
Carl...have you ever considered a life in Politics? ;)
I know out and out speed is not your motivation for building a four rotor, i just wondered how a N/A 4 rotor might compare against a big turbo 13B. How quick are other existing 4 rotors?
Not having time to work on it is a good thing isnt it? that must mean youve got plenty of paying customers knocking on your door.
Regards, Norton :p
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Dan Norton on April 11, 2005, 10:55:10 PM
Post by: Dan Norton on April 11, 2005, 10:55:10 PM
Hey carl, is yours the only 4 rotor fd in the world??
I know mazda made the 4 rotor le mans car, but how many more 4 rotor mazda\'s are there?
BTW, incredible what you have acheived so far....well done!!!!
Dan!!
I know mazda made the 4 rotor le mans car, but how many more 4 rotor mazda\'s are there?
BTW, incredible what you have acheived so far....well done!!!!
Dan!!
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on April 11, 2005, 11:00:28 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on April 11, 2005, 11:00:28 PM
from the recent thread on ausrotary ... not that many
Glenn is building one that should come over to the UK once its done and theres at least one in NZ in an FD and of course the Scoot FD in japan.
Then theres the non FD ones ... the Queen Street racing BMW has a twin turbo quad rotor for example
Glenn is building one that should come over to the UK once its done and theres at least one in NZ in an FD and of course the Scoot FD in japan.
Then theres the non FD ones ... the Queen Street racing BMW has a twin turbo quad rotor for example
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Initial-D on April 11, 2005, 11:10:42 PM
Post by: Initial-D on April 11, 2005, 11:10:42 PM
The Scoot car sounds amazing when revving, like an F1 car!! So I\'ll bet Carl\'s will sound amazing too!! Can\'t wait to hear it running....:D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 11:19:12 PM
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 11:19:12 PM
The only times/speeds ive so far seen for a 4 rotor are for a TWIN TURBO full chassis in Australia... Ibrahim Bros [Driven by Bill Nabhan] 7.24@191 26BTT+Lenco [Air Shifted]
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 11, 2005, 11:23:34 PM
Post by: Carl on April 11, 2005, 11:23:34 PM
The most powerful drag car rotary at the moment is the Barbie BMW 4 rotor.
I know Bill who races it for the Ibrahim Brothers (Queen Street Smash repair).
This car had 1350hp on twin turbo\'s and now has at least 250hp more on one big single turbo.
On the 1350hp engine it ran a 7.2 1/4 and 191mph terminal.
So now it should be really quick.
The Naturally Aspirated 4 rotor FD RX7 in New Zealand of Bryce Mckewan, who I also know, has ran a 10.4 at 136 mph.He is running fuel injection,and those times were done on a stock FD RX7 gearbox and diff.The car is now being modified to take a 9 inch rear and Auto gearbox.
My car certainly will not be able to go anywhere near as quick as his car due to the carbs,but I hope to get it much more modified in the future and run it turboed and fuel injected to make some serious power.That will in all likely hood mean a new engine configuration.
I am pretty sure that there may be other 4 rotor engines being built here.
The Scoot car is based on the 12a engine parts so is of a smaller capacity than mine which is built around 13b parts.
Regards
Carl
I know Bill who races it for the Ibrahim Brothers (Queen Street Smash repair).
This car had 1350hp on twin turbo\'s and now has at least 250hp more on one big single turbo.
On the 1350hp engine it ran a 7.2 1/4 and 191mph terminal.
So now it should be really quick.
The Naturally Aspirated 4 rotor FD RX7 in New Zealand of Bryce Mckewan, who I also know, has ran a 10.4 at 136 mph.He is running fuel injection,and those times were done on a stock FD RX7 gearbox and diff.The car is now being modified to take a 9 inch rear and Auto gearbox.
My car certainly will not be able to go anywhere near as quick as his car due to the carbs,but I hope to get it much more modified in the future and run it turboed and fuel injected to make some serious power.That will in all likely hood mean a new engine configuration.
I am pretty sure that there may be other 4 rotor engines being built here.
The Scoot car is based on the 12a engine parts so is of a smaller capacity than mine which is built around 13b parts.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Dan Norton on April 11, 2005, 11:29:20 PM
Post by: Dan Norton on April 11, 2005, 11:29:20 PM
Ah right....thanks for the clear up guys.....i didnt know the scoot car was 4 rotor....i always thought it was 3 rotor (silly me :( ).....and also, whats this bmw 4 rotor all about??
I\'ve never heard or seen anything like that....is it a new beemer?
Cheers,
Dan!!
I\'ve never heard or seen anything like that....is it a new beemer?
Cheers,
Dan!!
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 11:41:59 PM
Post by: Norton on April 11, 2005, 11:41:59 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carlhmmmmm.... interesting!!
The Naturally Aspirated 4 rotor FD RX7 in New Zealand of Bryce Mckewan, who I also know, has ran a 10.4 at 136 mph.He is running fuel injection.
My car certainly will not be able to go anywhere near as quick as his car due to the carbs,but I hope to get it much more modified in the future and run it turboed and fuel injected to make some serious power.
Regards Carl
Is there really THAT much difference between carbs and Injection? I thought the main difference was emissions which isnt really going to be a big concern (i assume this is not really intended for road use?).
So in a couple of years time we can look forward to lots of Skyline driving spectators at Rotorstock spitting their beer back into their pints as you cross the line :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on April 11, 2005, 11:44:46 PM
Post by: Carl on April 11, 2005, 11:44:46 PM
Here is the link to the post\'s on Ausrotary.
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55487&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=barbie+bmw&start=0
Regards
Carl
http://ausrotary.dntinternet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55487&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=barbie+bmw&start=0
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on April 12, 2005, 12:02:35 AM
Post by: Norton on April 12, 2005, 12:02:35 AM
Gulp
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Dan Norton on April 12, 2005, 12:09:11 AM
Post by: Dan Norton on April 12, 2005, 12:09:11 AM
:eek: :eek: :eek:
i never knew that monster existed:eek:
bloody hell, i am seriously shocked.....what a car.
i never knew that monster existed:eek:
bloody hell, i am seriously shocked.....what a car.
Title: .
Post by: justy on May 04, 2005, 11:09:56 AM
Post by: justy on May 04, 2005, 11:09:56 AM
hi Carl, wats the latest info on your Project?
and i wana congrates you for your work so far :) keep it up mate
regards justy
and i wana congrates you for your work so far :) keep it up mate
regards justy
Title: Re: .
Post by: Carl on May 14, 2005, 10:23:45 PM
Post by: Carl on May 14, 2005, 10:23:45 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by justy
hi Carl, wats the latest info on your Project?
and i wana congrates you for your work so far :) keep it up mate
regards justy
Hi Justy,
Well,we put some miles on the car today.Had quite a bit of fun.
The car is beautifully LOUD!
There are a few minor things to sort out but we are very happy with the progress so far.It is not such a slow project anymore!
I don\'t expect any great shakes at "Rotorstock" but should hopefully have the car there for the event,and may do some slow runs in her just for the show.
It is going to take quite a bit of tuning to get the car setup as I would like it.I guess that a bit later in the year it should be running in anger.
:D
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 14, 2005, 10:52:39 PM
Post by: Carl on May 14, 2005, 10:52:39 PM
Big thanks to everyone who has been helping me!!!!!
The weather was good too which helped,I got a bit burnt.LOL!
Regards
Carl
P.S. I am still grinning!:D
The weather was good too which helped,I got a bit burnt.LOL!
Regards
Carl
P.S. I am still grinning!:D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: mattmaclennan on May 14, 2005, 10:58:59 PM
Post by: mattmaclennan on May 14, 2005, 10:58:59 PM
Doesn\'t sound right Carl... slow runs in a 4 rotor??? Is this a big parade so nobody thinks it\'ll be competative, then you go and pull a 9 second pass? Or is it knackered all ready? LOL :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: K1HKS arse on May 15, 2005, 09:06:04 AM
Post by: K1HKS arse on May 15, 2005, 09:06:04 AM
Quite the opposite of knackered Matt,as Carl said,needs some tweaking.Sounds amazing under load,cant wait to hear it being pushed,imagine the noise at 7-8000rpm..........my god.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 15, 2005, 10:27:37 AM
Post by: Carl on May 15, 2005, 10:27:37 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by K1HKS arse
Quite the opposite of knackered Matt,as Carl said,needs some tweaking.Sounds amazing under load,cant wait to hear it being pushed,imagine the noise at 7-8000rpm..........my god.
Good to see you yesterday Gary.Thanks for you and your Dads help too.
Should be pretty good to get some rpm on it.
Apparently we were making more noise than the jet car yesterday when it did it\'s run,and you know how far away from the track we were!When I got back to the pits a lot of people were talking about the noise,one guy said that he got up into the stand and when he saw how far away we were with the car he could not beleive how loud it was at that distance.Remember that these are hardened V8 veterans.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on May 15, 2005, 10:28:08 AM
Post by: MikeLMR on May 15, 2005, 10:28:08 AM
looking forward to seeing this one run no matter how quick/slow it is :) you must be grinning like a maniac Carl ... well done :cool
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 15, 2005, 10:44:18 AM
Post by: Carl on May 15, 2005, 10:44:18 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by mattmaclennan
Doesn\'t sound right Carl... slow runs in a 4 rotor??? Is this a big parade so nobody thinks it\'ll be competative, then you go and pull a 9 second pass? Or is it knackered all ready? LOL :D
I think that alot of people would be happy with a parade at first.
Anyway the nines should be Geffs to have since he has a dog box internals in his gearbox now and an extra 50 horses under the bonnet,and some lightening with new panels.Tims car shouldn\'t be far off by all accounts.
I just want to be the noisiest car there.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: mattmaclennan on May 15, 2005, 10:53:47 AM
Post by: mattmaclennan on May 15, 2005, 10:53:47 AM
Good to see it\'s getting there Carl, nothing like a good wind up... you don\'t seem to have bitten though, which is a shame:rolleyes: I\'ll have to try harder in future! :cool So it\'s you versus the Norton Bike Boys in a sound off then?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 15, 2005, 11:33:22 AM
Post by: Carl on May 15, 2005, 11:33:22 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by mattmaclennan
Good to see it\'s getting there Carl, nothing like a good wind up... you don\'t seem to have bitten though, which is a shame:rolleyes: I\'ll have to try harder in future! :cool So it\'s you versus the Norton Bike Boys in a sound off then?
Quite right Matt!LOL!;)
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on May 15, 2005, 11:35:08 AM
Post by: MikeLMR on May 15, 2005, 11:35:08 AM
shouldn\'t it be 4 bikes vs the FD to be fair :D
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on May 16, 2005, 10:20:45 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on May 16, 2005, 10:20:45 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by CarlNot yet he doesnt, not yet he doesnt and not yet he doesnt! There\'s a lot of work to do if the car is tobe there I\'m afraid.
since he has a dog box internals in his gearbox now and an extra 50 horses under the bonnet,and some lightening with new panels.
Tim should be \'pretty\' quick tho to hold up the rotary corner, and Brian with those ports :eek: :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 16, 2005, 11:02:01 PM
Post by: Carl on May 16, 2005, 11:02:01 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by 20B_boy
Not yet he doesnt, not yet he doesnt and not yet he doesnt! There\'s a lot of work to do if the car is tobe there I\'m afraid.
It is happening though.
regards
Carl;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on May 16, 2005, 11:20:41 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on May 16, 2005, 11:20:41 PM
Yep, but in 2 weeks...? I may be out of touch as I\'ve been in Germany for the last 3 days with Max Phil and Chris at Nurburg :)
To my knowledge the box isnt built, the car is in lieterally as many pieces as it could be, the lightweight bits havent arrived - ohh, and he doesnt have a turbo cause I\'ve nicked it! :rollin
To my knowledge the box isnt built, the car is in lieterally as many pieces as it could be, the lightweight bits havent arrived - ohh, and he doesnt have a turbo cause I\'ve nicked it! :rollin
Title: Re: Re: .
Post by: justy on May 17, 2005, 06:09:16 AM
Post by: justy on May 17, 2005, 06:09:16 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Hi Justy,
Well,we put some miles on the car today.Had quite a bit of fun.
The car is beautifully LOUD!
There are a few minor things to sort out but we are very happy with the progress so far.It is not such a slow project anymore!
I don\'t expect any great shakes at "Rotorstock" but should hopefully have the car there for the event,and may do some slow runs in her just for the show.
It is going to take quite a bit of tuning to get the car setup as I would like it.I guess that a bit later in the year it should be running in anger.
:D
Regards
Carl
hi carl,
can u put some vidz of your car? if possible?
regards Justy
Title: Re: Re: Re: .
Post by: Carl on May 17, 2005, 08:39:12 AM
Post by: Carl on May 17, 2005, 08:39:12 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by justy
hi carl,
can u put some vidz of your car? if possible?
regards Justy
Sorry Justy,
I have not taken a vid yet!been to busy working on it to take any vids.
Hope there will be some footage at Rotorstock.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Norton on May 18, 2005, 05:56:13 PM
Post by: Norton on May 18, 2005, 05:56:13 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by mattmaclennanThink we\'re gonna lose big style!! :( :rollin
So it\'s you versus the Norton Bike Boys in a sound off then?
Title: Somthing not the same
Post by: normski on May 19, 2005, 07:47:55 PM
Post by: normski on May 19, 2005, 07:47:55 PM
Hi, I am going through a triple rotor conversion at this time. I am looking at mid July 05, and it should be on the road.
WHen is traget date for your monster ?
WHen is traget date for your monster ?
Title: triple rotor
Post by: normski on May 19, 2005, 07:52:04 PM
Post by: normski on May 19, 2005, 07:52:04 PM
opps
Title: Re: Somthing not the same
Post by: Carl on May 19, 2005, 09:41:03 PM
Post by: Carl on May 19, 2005, 09:41:03 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by normski
Hi, I am going through a triple rotor conversion at this time. I am looking at mid July 05, and it should be on the road.
WHen is traget date for your monster ?
Already running.
regards
Carl
Title: And ?
Post by: normski on May 20, 2005, 09:01:54 AM
Post by: normski on May 20, 2005, 09:01:54 AM
Good to hear.
is yours for road use ?
What s the spec on this one. power performance. A J Herbert special then.....
:wave :bandit
is yours for road use ?
What s the spec on this one. power performance. A J Herbert special then.....
:wave :bandit
Title: Re: And ?
Post by: Carl on May 21, 2005, 12:22:33 AM
Post by: Carl on May 21, 2005, 12:22:33 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by normski
Good to hear.
is yours for road use ?
What s the spec on this one. power performance. A J Herbert special then.....
:wave :bandit
I have driven it on the road,the performance is not known but I guess that it should be at least 550hp and maybe getting on for 600 but that will be after rotorstock that it starts to go alot quicker.At rotorstock I will take it pretty easy if I can get it there.
Hvae you thought about a short block triple for your car?Turboed of course!
Regards
Carl:)
Title: Hope all goes well
Post by: normski on May 21, 2005, 09:04:38 AM
Post by: normski on May 21, 2005, 09:04:38 AM
Good luck at rotostock, I have to take the bloody BMW, never mind. it\'s awsome on fuel, 48MPG and still 205BHP.
Short block, not that clever, I think Pip is going to rebuild an EX Cosmo lump.:confused:
Short block, not that clever, I think Pip is going to rebuild an EX Cosmo lump.:confused:
Title: Re: Re: And ?
Post by: abiex on May 30, 2005, 05:28:41 AM
Post by: abiex on May 30, 2005, 05:28:41 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
I have driven it on the road,the performance is not known but I guess that it should be at least 550hp and maybe getting on for 600 but that will be after rotorstock that it starts to go alot quicker.At rotorstock I will take it pretty easy if I can get it there.
Hvae you thought about a short block triple for your car?Turboed of course!
Regards
Carl:)
how about to clean your mailbox??
I am trying to send u mais for a while...I cant wait any moore....do I have to ask it here??
Title: LOUD!
Post by: normski on May 30, 2005, 09:30:53 AM
Post by: normski on May 30, 2005, 09:30:53 AM
:god Ho Yes, this baby is sos so LOUD!
Fair dooos, I think people expect too much, It ain\'t been in there long. Give the guy a break. I recon it needs lots of tweeky things before she starts to fly. I recon Carl will be looking at near 6/650 BHP then.
GOOD LUCK WITH IT MATE:wave
Fair dooos, I think people expect too much, It ain\'t been in there long. Give the guy a break. I recon it needs lots of tweeky things before she starts to fly. I recon Carl will be looking at near 6/650 BHP then.
GOOD LUCK WITH IT MATE:wave
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: asp on May 30, 2005, 08:38:51 PM
Post by: asp on May 30, 2005, 08:38:51 PM
the sound of this engine is some thing else.
some guys sat behind me said.all noise n no go,
hu what do thay no.if thay new what carls intentions r thayd understand y the slow time,
good work carl:D
some guys sat behind me said.all noise n no go,
hu what do thay no.if thay new what carls intentions r thayd understand y the slow time,
good work carl:D
Title: Evil!!!!
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on May 30, 2005, 11:26:48 PM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on May 30, 2005, 11:26:48 PM
I cant begin to describe this beast having heard it for real on Sat.
Absolutely pure evil.
It was great to finally meet you Carl enjoyed the chats when you werent too busy lol!. I\'m gonna watch the footage tomorrow and see if i can get the same noise level from my speakers :D .
Anyway hope all goes well with KABOOM!!!!! let me know when your next running and I\'ll come down and lend a hand if you need it I\'ll even bring some ear defenders;)
Regards Jase
:wave
Absolutely pure evil.
It was great to finally meet you Carl enjoyed the chats when you werent too busy lol!. I\'m gonna watch the footage tomorrow and see if i can get the same noise level from my speakers :D .
Anyway hope all goes well with KABOOM!!!!! let me know when your next running and I\'ll come down and lend a hand if you need it I\'ll even bring some ear defenders;)
Regards Jase
:wave
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 30, 2005, 11:36:34 PM
Post by: Carl on May 30, 2005, 11:36:34 PM
Thanks for the kind comments guy\'s and offer of help Jason.
I was not really stressing the car at all,just trying my level best to take it real easy,there are lots of little things that still need doing,and a couple of big things too!It would be so easy just to put your foot down and let it go,but I need to address a few issues along the way to make it reliable and quick,not just quick for a short time and then it won\'t start because it is worn out!
I will get there in the end.
A project like this takes alot of time,and money!2 commodoties I do not have in great abundance.
Still at least you guys now know what an unsilenced naturally aspirated rotary sounds like,and that was the original intention.Some quicker times are yet to come.
Regards
Carl
;)
I was not really stressing the car at all,just trying my level best to take it real easy,there are lots of little things that still need doing,and a couple of big things too!It would be so easy just to put your foot down and let it go,but I need to address a few issues along the way to make it reliable and quick,not just quick for a short time and then it won\'t start because it is worn out!
I will get there in the end.
A project like this takes alot of time,and money!2 commodoties I do not have in great abundance.
Still at least you guys now know what an unsilenced naturally aspirated rotary sounds like,and that was the original intention.Some quicker times are yet to come.
Regards
Carl
;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: iaint on May 31, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
Post by: iaint on May 31, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Still at least you guys now know what an unsilenced naturally aspirated rotary sounds like,and that was the original intention.
Hugely appreciated too Carl - it\'s impossible to explain how it sounds unless you\'ve heard it \'up close and personal\' (i.e. from within a mile or so!).
The sight of the exhaust flattening the grass for a good 10\' behind it was also impressive. Better not try it near dry grass though or you might see the project go up in flames!
This car and Ross\'s 10.43 were the highlights for me - even better than the 9.3 liner!
Iain
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Archbish on May 31, 2005, 09:51:57 AM
Post by: Archbish on May 31, 2005, 09:51:57 AM
I was in the loo\'s (without Gurj for a change), when Carl\'s car fired up. Can\'t really miss it... *lol*
And to run quarter times like that when taking it "easy" when other cars were breaking their necks and getting similar times... That\'s going to be a monster when it\'s done...!!!
Good luck with it, and I can\'t wait to see a proper run out of it!
And to run quarter times like that when taking it "easy" when other cars were breaking their necks and getting similar times... That\'s going to be a monster when it\'s done...!!!
Good luck with it, and I can\'t wait to see a proper run out of it!
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: sadgoth on May 31, 2005, 01:00:45 PM
Post by: sadgoth on May 31, 2005, 01:00:45 PM
Good to finally see the beast in the flesh and hear her running! Especially after the number of conversations we\'ve had about it over the last six months or so! Well done Carl, amazing piece of automotive engineering.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: jonyb on May 31, 2005, 01:07:52 PM
Post by: jonyb on May 31, 2005, 01:07:52 PM
Well done for running it chap, had a smile on me face.
Top job and look forward to more 4 rota action
J.
Top job and look forward to more 4 rota action
J.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on May 31, 2005, 05:12:32 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on May 31, 2005, 05:12:32 PM
I think the thread title needs and update again :rollin
\'Carls 4 rotor project moves noisily along\' :D
definetly one of the highlights of the event :) whens the engine going in the rx3 then Carl :D (your other rx3 shell would look fab back halved and with some serious slicks under it :D )
\'Carls 4 rotor project moves noisily along\' :D
definetly one of the highlights of the event :) whens the engine going in the rx3 then Carl :D (your other rx3 shell would look fab back halved and with some serious slicks under it :D )
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Shark on May 31, 2005, 08:31:27 PM
Post by: Shark on May 31, 2005, 08:31:27 PM
my god!! that thing makes a lovely noise. Was something else to see her running and hear that incredible noise. I swear you could drown out an earthquake with that.
Oh yeah, and thanks again for finding the time amongst everything else to take that trip out to map my car. She purred up the strip and all the way back to London last night! Just want it to sound like your now ;) ;) ;)
Oh yeah, and thanks again for finding the time amongst everything else to take that trip out to map my car. She purred up the strip and all the way back to London last night! Just want it to sound like your now ;) ;) ;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on May 31, 2005, 09:00:59 PM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on May 31, 2005, 09:00:59 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by MikeLMR
I think the thread title needs and update again :rollin
\'Carls 4 rotor project moves noisily along\' :D
definetly one of the highlights of the event .
I totally agree Mike infact I\'d even go as far as saying it should be made into a sticky thread.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on May 31, 2005, 09:04:43 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on May 31, 2005, 09:04:43 PM
consider it stuck ... what we need now is a video. I\'m sure I saw Glenn with a video camera so it shouldn\'t be very long :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on May 31, 2005, 09:08:24 PM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on May 31, 2005, 09:08:24 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by MikeLMR
consider it stuck ... what we need now is a video. I\'m sure I saw Glenn with a video camera so it shouldn\'t be very long :)
I\'ve got 1 aswell, Anna had trouble holding the camera steady from all the vibration/noise when Carl started satans chariot up, plus we got the 1st run on film.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on June 01, 2005, 12:16:12 AM
Post by: Carl on June 01, 2005, 12:16:12 AM
I would love to see some video footage.
From in the car I cannot tell what it is like from the outside.With my helmet on and all of the noise going backwards it is pretty comfortable and fairly quiet,so I have no idea what it sounds like to you guy\'s.
A vid would hopefully give me some idea of what you guys were seeing and hearing!
I really appreciate all of the kind comments.I nearly did not bring the car because it is a bit premature really,I was still working on her at 3.00pm Saturday afternoon,but managed to get her into a reasonable working order to demo it,all be it but tamely at the moment.I know that some people may have been dissapointed with how it was pretty slow,but it will improve as time goes on.
I will start to do some serious testing in the next few weeks and months.
Regards
Carl
:wave
From in the car I cannot tell what it is like from the outside.With my helmet on and all of the noise going backwards it is pretty comfortable and fairly quiet,so I have no idea what it sounds like to you guy\'s.
A vid would hopefully give me some idea of what you guys were seeing and hearing!
I really appreciate all of the kind comments.I nearly did not bring the car because it is a bit premature really,I was still working on her at 3.00pm Saturday afternoon,but managed to get her into a reasonable working order to demo it,all be it but tamely at the moment.I know that some people may have been dissapointed with how it was pretty slow,but it will improve as time goes on.
I will start to do some serious testing in the next few weeks and months.
Regards
Carl
:wave
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Glenn Butcher on June 01, 2005, 10:30:51 AM
Post by: Glenn Butcher on June 01, 2005, 10:30:51 AM
Your wish is my command!...
http://www.rotorstock.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8962&referrerid=1
http://www.rotorstock.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8962&referrerid=1
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on June 01, 2005, 12:02:22 PM
Post by: Carl on June 01, 2005, 12:02:22 PM
Thanks for that Glenn,
Good to see it go up the strip.
I had a bit of a miss at around 6000 rpm happening at each gear change,it is good for me to use and see what is going on.
On the Monday I was taking it about 1000 to 1500 rpm higher on medium throttle,having made an adjustment or two,but did not want to go any higher for the sake of the bearings.
I obviously need to get some miles on it and then tune it for 9500/10,000 rpm.The timing is very conservative at the moment too,so when I put a little more advance in that will increase the power alot.
Regards
Carl
Good to see it go up the strip.
I had a bit of a miss at around 6000 rpm happening at each gear change,it is good for me to use and see what is going on.
On the Monday I was taking it about 1000 to 1500 rpm higher on medium throttle,having made an adjustment or two,but did not want to go any higher for the sake of the bearings.
I obviously need to get some miles on it and then tune it for 9500/10,000 rpm.The timing is very conservative at the moment too,so when I put a little more advance in that will increase the power alot.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Shark on June 01, 2005, 09:15:35 PM
Post by: Shark on June 01, 2005, 09:15:35 PM
If you want a driver to take it up the strip so you can watch and note helpful things to do in the tuning Carl just give me a shout :D ;) :rollin
You will have to buy me some earplugs though :p
You will have to buy me some earplugs though :p
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on June 01, 2005, 11:42:02 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on June 01, 2005, 11:42:02 PM
awesome video ... the noise is still great even via the speakers !
you can really notice the misfire on the video, I can\'t imagine how difficult it must be to tune somthing like that on carbs ... who on earth do you ask for help for example!
I hope this has been posted up on the aussie forums to quell some of the doubters.
you can really notice the misfire on the video, I can\'t imagine how difficult it must be to tune somthing like that on carbs ... who on earth do you ask for help for example!
I hope this has been posted up on the aussie forums to quell some of the doubters.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on June 01, 2005, 11:46:12 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on June 01, 2005, 11:46:12 PM
I\'m sure the man will have it on efi soon enough...
Who was doubting what on ausrotary?
Who was doubting what on ausrotary?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on June 02, 2005, 12:01:23 AM
Post by: MikeLMR on June 02, 2005, 12:01:23 AM
a few people were getting in a flap when Carl was asking what turbo he should run on his 4 rotor ... nothing major just the usual forum stuff.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Dan Norton on June 02, 2005, 12:36:26 AM
Post by: Dan Norton on June 02, 2005, 12:36:26 AM
Carl, its totally fantastic.....cant wait to see the progress of it now its up and running!
Good luck with everything....it will be monsterous when you get it testing, and tuning etc etc.
Nice one that man! :wave
Good luck with everything....it will be monsterous when you get it testing, and tuning etc etc.
Nice one that man! :wave
Title: Ok, 20B
Post by: normski on June 02, 2005, 09:19:45 PM
Post by: normski on June 02, 2005, 09:19:45 PM
:wave So, were you there last week ??????????
Hows that triple going, is it getting there?????
Hows that triple going, is it getting there?????
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Brett on June 08, 2005, 09:31:14 PM
Post by: Brett on June 08, 2005, 09:31:14 PM
Hi Carl,
Been listening to your exhaust again, are you running with the rotors 90deg rotation from one another, cos it sure didnt sound like it. Just curious like.:)
Been listening to your exhaust again, are you running with the rotors 90deg rotation from one another, cos it sure didnt sound like it. Just curious like.:)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on June 08, 2005, 09:37:53 PM
Post by: Carl on June 08, 2005, 09:37:53 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Brett
Hi Carl,
Been listening to your exhaust again, are you running with the rotors 90deg rotation from one another, cos it sure didnt sound like it. Just curious like.:)
Yes,Just low rpm that\'s all.The engine only fires evenly when under load due to the PP porting and being on carbs.The sound is uneven at all other times.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Brett on June 09, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
Post by: Brett on June 09, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
Ah I see! Thanks! :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Archbish on June 09, 2005, 09:23:54 AM
Post by: Archbish on June 09, 2005, 09:23:54 AM
What firing sequence are they?? Does it make a difference (is 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 result in a different character to 1 - 3 - 2 - 4)?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Brett on July 22, 2005, 10:00:02 AM
Post by: Brett on July 22, 2005, 10:00:02 AM
Hi Carl,
How goes the 4 rotor? When are you going EFI?
How goes the 4 rotor? When are you going EFI?
Title: hi
Post by: justy on July 22, 2005, 10:49:17 AM
Post by: justy on July 22, 2005, 10:49:17 AM
hey carl hows the 4 rotor going? wats the progress so far? have u completed the running of your engine yet?
regards justy
regards justy
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on August 20, 2005, 06:32:55 PM
Post by: Carl on August 20, 2005, 06:32:55 PM
Just an update on my car,
I have not been able to touch it since rotorstock,but will be doing some work on it in the next few weeks.
Hope to be out there soon.
Some sposorship would be nice!LOL!
Regards
Carl
I have not been able to touch it since rotorstock,but will be doing some work on it in the next few weeks.
Hope to be out there soon.
Some sposorship would be nice!LOL!
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:40:27 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:40:27 PM
back in may carl was faced with the decision to either go to rotorstock with his new grp front end in the white gel coat or paint the WHOLE car in mat black.
unfortunatly for the poor bastard that has to thinnners all that sh!t off he chose the latter. about a day was waisted just cleaning the mess off, not to mention the ruined pair of trainers and the waist of gallons of thinner. :reallymad
but anyway, as i happend to be in the workshop that is sorting the mess out i took the liberty of taking some snaps.
here you go.
unfortunatly for the poor bastard that has to thinnners all that sh!t off he chose the latter. about a day was waisted just cleaning the mess off, not to mention the ruined pair of trainers and the waist of gallons of thinner. :reallymad
but anyway, as i happend to be in the workshop that is sorting the mess out i took the liberty of taking some snaps.
here you go.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:43:50 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:43:50 PM
they are going up one at a time because thats how my computer wants to play it.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:48:07 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:48:07 PM
and another
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:51:30 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 11, 2005, 08:51:30 PM
as this takes me so long to post pics i might have to do the rest tomorrow
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on November 11, 2005, 08:54:17 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on November 11, 2005, 08:54:17 PM
You got a new job Jase?!
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on November 12, 2005, 08:59:14 AM
Post by: Carl on November 12, 2005, 08:59:14 AM
Nice one Jase!
Gives you some pretty good practice eh??
Regards
Carl
Gives you some pretty good practice eh??
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 12:24:14 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 12:24:14 PM
some more now i have some time to kill
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 12:29:55 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 12:29:55 PM
this is tony (my little helper biatch)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 12:38:16 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 12:38:16 PM
this is the result from my 56 hour week. note to carl, this is how the matt black should be applied ;) also note how all the shuts are being done properly ;) (im fing good to you aint i :yes )
the next photos will be when its painted but that might not be till next weekend. now its days of wet flatting infront of me. :eek:
the next photos will be when its painted but that might not be till next weekend. now its days of wet flatting infront of me. :eek:
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Freddy on November 12, 2005, 12:39:04 PM
Post by: Freddy on November 12, 2005, 12:39:04 PM
Looking good and that bonnet is very nice.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on November 12, 2005, 01:00:04 PM
Post by: Carl on November 12, 2005, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: t2rewthis is the result from my 56 hour week. note to carl, this is how the matt black should be applied ;) also note how all the shuts are being done properly ;) (im fing good to you aint i :yes )
the next photos will be when its painted but that might not be till next weekend. now its days of wet flatting infront of me. :eek:
Yes you are so,so good mate!
Looks really good work.
Thanks
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 01:02:38 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 01:02:38 PM
and all for a bag of crisp\'s and a couple of pints ;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on November 12, 2005, 01:08:11 PM
Post by: Carl on November 12, 2005, 01:08:11 PM
Quote from: t2rewand all for a bag of crisp\'s and a couple of pints ;)
Which just happened to be served to you on a shiny new 13b ported REW engine,that was acting as a coffee table, that you happened to take away with the crisp packet!
LOL
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 01:10:54 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 12, 2005, 01:10:54 PM
i thought that bit was free :cheers
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Initial-D on November 12, 2005, 01:18:39 PM
Post by: Initial-D on November 12, 2005, 01:18:39 PM
Cool stuff and looking good!
I can\'t believe the things people give away these days! ;)
I can\'t believe the things people give away these days! ;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Bulla on November 12, 2005, 01:41:33 PM
Post by: Bulla on November 12, 2005, 01:41:33 PM
Quote from: CarlWhich just happened to be served to you on a shiny new 13b ported REW engine,that was acting as a coffee table, that you happened to take away with the crisp packet!
LOL
Carl
LOL, not a bad deal !
Cant wait to see the finished job on this gonna be one of the the best FD\'s in the UK when its all finished.
Bulla
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: justy on November 12, 2005, 02:02:33 PM
Post by: justy on November 12, 2005, 02:02:33 PM
nice work t2rew :), waiting to see the finished job
regards
justy
regards
justy
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on November 14, 2005, 11:22:45 PM
Post by: Carl on November 14, 2005, 11:22:45 PM
Quote from: justynice work t2rew :), waiting to see the finished job
regards
justy
Me too!
regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 07:56:42 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 07:56:42 PM
photos have come out crap. they dont show the paint off as it is in the flesh :reallymad
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 08:00:00 PM
mmm thumnails ?? here is two more
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 08:02:13 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 08:02:13 PM
not perfect but good enough for a race car :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 08:12:03 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 08:12:03 PM
because of the transparent pearl making up most of this colour, more paint has to be applied. this is 5 litres of blue. hope you like it carl.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on November 22, 2005, 09:19:16 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on November 22, 2005, 09:19:16 PM
Bit of a hijack but looks mint Jase, I presume this is what u do for a living? Are u always looking for work? probably not, but if you find your self with any time spare I may be interested some time :)
Nice one - will it be as fast as it looks next year Carl?
Nice one - will it be as fast as it looks next year Carl?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 09:36:08 PM
Post by: t2rew on November 22, 2005, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: 20B_boyBit of a hijack but looks mint Jase, I presume this is what u do for a living? Are u always looking for work? probably not, but if you find your self with any time spare I may be interested some time :)i make the tea in a bodyshop :guinness . after this i might think about becoming a monk. i hate cars :mad: youve only got to look at my car to see how much i like doing bodywork :) (to quote rxv8, its 40 shades of red :) )
Nice one - will it be as fast as it looks next year Carl?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: asp on November 22, 2005, 10:01:25 PM
Post by: asp on November 22, 2005, 10:01:25 PM
looking good :D
just what it needed,nice coat of paint,sorry coats of paint,
just what it needed,nice coat of paint,sorry coats of paint,
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on November 22, 2005, 11:03:41 PM
Post by: Carl on November 22, 2005, 11:03:41 PM
Big thnx to Jase for all of the work he has done in painting the car.
The more I look at it the more I know I have chosen the right colour,the pics do not do the paint job any justice.
I know that Jason has done alot more work than he originally expected too.
Brilliant!
Cheers
Carl
The more I look at it the more I know I have chosen the right colour,the pics do not do the paint job any justice.
I know that Jason has done alot more work than he originally expected too.
Brilliant!
Cheers
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Bulla on November 23, 2005, 09:41:58 AM
Post by: Bulla on November 23, 2005, 09:41:58 AM
Its looking very tasty in its new colour, are you going to show her off at RS3 Carl ?
Bulla
Bulla
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on November 23, 2005, 10:41:46 AM
Post by: OLSKOOLROTAR on November 23, 2005, 10:41:46 AM
Like the colour, looks real nice. When are you out in it again Carl.
Jase
Jase
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: dre on November 23, 2005, 10:58:04 AM
Post by: dre on November 23, 2005, 10:58:04 AM
T2REW - My car is in need of a respray if you are free in March 06. It\'s almost got as many shades of red as yours mate.
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: justy on November 23, 2005, 02:16:20 PM
Post by: justy on November 23, 2005, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: CarlBig thnx to Jase for all of the work he has done in painting the car.hey Carl, need some help, i cant view the pics now as i use too, wats going on? wana see your car pics but cant,
The more I look at it the more I know I have chosen the right colour,the pics do not do the paint job any justice.
I know that Jason has done alot more work than he originally expected too.
Brilliant!
Cheers
Carl
regards Justy
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: TRex on November 23, 2005, 04:09:50 PM
Post by: TRex on November 23, 2005, 04:09:50 PM
Join the club and you will see all...... ;)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: antnicuk on November 23, 2005, 05:44:09 PM
Post by: antnicuk on November 23, 2005, 05:44:09 PM
me next, i like that colour too, got any left?
Title: colour
Post by: normski on November 30, 2005, 06:12:29 PM
Post by: normski on November 30, 2005, 06:12:29 PM
Comeon what colour is it then. Not Black please! :bandit
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: MikeLMR on November 30, 2005, 06:29:43 PM
Post by: MikeLMR on November 30, 2005, 06:29:43 PM
there are photos on page 7 ... it looks fab :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on November 30, 2005, 07:43:19 PM
Post by: Carl on November 30, 2005, 07:43:19 PM
I think you have to be a member to see pics.
It is a pearl blue.
Regards
Carl
It is a pearl blue.
Regards
Carl
Title: Help!
Post by: normski on December 13, 2005, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: normski on December 13, 2005, 06:13:13 PM
Quote from: justyhey Carl, need some help, i cant view the pics now as i use too, wats going on? wana see your car pics but cant,
regards Justy
DOn\'t mind Carl, My bloody wallet needs some help! :Santa
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on December 13, 2005, 08:10:46 PM
Post by: Carl on December 13, 2005, 08:10:46 PM
Quote from: normskiDOn\'t mind Carl, My bloody wallet needs some help! :Santa
Never a cheap conversion Mr Vigus!
Regards
Carl
Title: .
Post by: justy on May 03, 2006, 02:35:02 PM
Post by: justy on May 03, 2006, 02:35:02 PM
looking gr8 mate
rgds justy
rgds justy
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on May 03, 2006, 03:02:53 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on May 03, 2006, 03:02:53 PM
Will it be running at RS3 Carl?
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: John Yorke on May 03, 2006, 03:28:44 PM
Post by: John Yorke on May 03, 2006, 03:28:44 PM
does it still exist?????? Seems an age since we have heard anything about the beast :Hammer
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: mattmaclennan on May 04, 2006, 09:48:09 PM
Post by: mattmaclennan on May 04, 2006, 09:48:09 PM
from what I hear on the grape vine..... it should be louder and more offensive than last year!
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: andyroi on May 04, 2006, 10:05:54 PM
Post by: andyroi on May 04, 2006, 10:05:54 PM
I was down at carls new place last friday again, yeah, it still exists! ha ha :) Hes playing with engine a little bit, and was hoping to be able to get it to RS3. Wouldnt tell me too much tho! Im hoping he does take it, as Ive not heard it running yet, and am feeling a little left out! :D
Andy
Andy
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Ricco_04 on May 04, 2006, 10:21:57 PM
Post by: Ricco_04 on May 04, 2006, 10:21:57 PM
It\'s one bloody loud thing. Was a shame for Carl as most of the poeple there that new nothing about it just kept mumbling all show no go. So I wouldn\'t have thought he\'s going to take it up the strip without some more tuning and running this time! :D
Hope he brings it :cool
Hope he brings it :cool
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 08, 2006, 05:03:19 PM
Post by: Carl on May 08, 2006, 05:03:19 PM
I am working on her at the moment,but not sure if she will be there this year.
Regards
Carl
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: t2rew on May 08, 2006, 10:20:28 PM
Post by: t2rew on May 08, 2006, 10:20:28 PM
boooo hissss
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: 20B_boy on May 08, 2006, 10:52:15 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on May 08, 2006, 10:52:15 PM
Quote from: CarlI am working on her at the moment,but not sure if she will be there this year.Is it on EFI now out of interest? any thing else in the offing for RS?
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Adriansturgess on May 08, 2006, 11:23:12 PM
Post by: Adriansturgess on May 08, 2006, 11:23:12 PM
Carl you owe it to all your fans to get the car there -even if you don\'t put it up the strip....we just want to hear that amazing noise again..... :)
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Carl on May 12, 2006, 05:23:43 PM
Post by: Carl on May 12, 2006, 05:23:43 PM
I would love to get her there,but we have pulled the engine down to mod it further and so it may not make it this year.
We will try,but not promising.
Regards
Carl
We will try,but not promising.
Regards
Carl
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Adriansturgess on May 12, 2006, 11:09:50 PM
Post by: Adriansturgess on May 12, 2006, 11:09:50 PM
Is it going to be even more noisy with further mods... :2eek
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: ianelvar on September 14, 2006, 03:14:09 PM
Post by: ianelvar on September 14, 2006, 03:14:09 PM
Hi Carl
Any progress since your last post? Having looked through the thread I guess I saw it in a fairly advanced state when I randomly stumbled accross your workshop and you showed me round earlier this year.
Do you have any pics of the eccentric shaft before it was put into the motor? I\'m intrigued about loads of technical stuff. Any chance of a quick rundown on the tech? How the bearings are set up, how on earth you put it together, how many pieces the eccentric is, stuff like that? I\'m hungry for a bit few more details if they\'re not carefully guarded sectrets :D
My FD is running now, btw. Thanks for the advice, it was a breeze to put back together after I talked to you guys. Looking forward to rebuilding the other motor now.
Cheers :Thumbs-up
Ian
Any progress since your last post? Having looked through the thread I guess I saw it in a fairly advanced state when I randomly stumbled accross your workshop and you showed me round earlier this year.
Do you have any pics of the eccentric shaft before it was put into the motor? I\'m intrigued about loads of technical stuff. Any chance of a quick rundown on the tech? How the bearings are set up, how on earth you put it together, how many pieces the eccentric is, stuff like that? I\'m hungry for a bit few more details if they\'re not carefully guarded sectrets :D
My FD is running now, btw. Thanks for the advice, it was a breeze to put back together after I talked to you guys. Looking forward to rebuilding the other motor now.
Cheers :Thumbs-up
Ian
Title: yea come on Carl!
Post by: normski on June 16, 2007, 08:33:33 AM
Post by: normski on June 16, 2007, 08:33:33 AM
We wnna see it, we wanna see it! get that beast moving! :driving
Title: Carl\'s 4rotor Project moves noisily along
Post by: Paul1982 on August 13, 2007, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: Paul1982 on August 13, 2007, 02:03:06 PM
Well hopefully i\'ll get 2 c this monster in the flesh this week :-)