right people, this what me and a few mates have been doing recently, basically have had loads of starlets and have a very rare ep85 shape which is 4wd, but picked up a fwd shell up for cheap and decided i wanted to go rotary on it, soo talked with carl hayward a few times and this is where we are so far, engine spec will be bridgeport and gt4088 built and tuned my carl
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big thanks to carl for his knowledge and help so far
started like this
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thats either one BIG IC or one small car :evillaugh
hope all goes well.. will be very interesting once finished :)
cheers chap, getting here trailed down to rotorstock so need to make a bit more progress before that
it\'s not as big as it look\'s only bout 2" thick, and it\'s only a small car:rollin
will it be finished for rotorstock? will be good to see it
i wish it was, loads of work still to do, only done prob 3-4 days on it so far
cant belive how well it\' gone it and how light the engine gearbox is compared to a piston engine
Another McDonalds car..........................................." I\'m lovin it!"
Looking good Gary,but models are a bit poor
LOL
Carl
blimey that is gonna be one fast car when its done, very interesting project :Thumbs-up
Thanks people,
Maybe next time we could borrow some of your models from your place LOL
Did you get my e mail?
nice project?
what axle are you using? do you have to make a tunell of some sort?
We have used a complete rear axle of a fd rx7:D
That\'s going to be fab ! Would be great to see just how heavy it is with very good power to weight ratio.
Looks like a fun project, wish you guys all the best :D
Shaun
Sweet ride you`ve got there, always fancied doing this on an old small car like a mini or something. I take it its gonna be rwd? Are you fabricating a rwd floor pan, what kind of power are we talkin here? Sorry with all the questions but this really is an interesting project.
No problems with the questions, yeah rwd, making a new tunnel and rear floor , looking for 5-600 bhp
That\'s going to be nuts, having been in a 180bhp starlet which wasn\'t slow a 500+ one will be mental :D
Quote from: kierangt;618324No problems with the questions, yeah rwd, making a new tunnel and rear floor , looking for 5-600 bhp
500! Thats gonna do some serious thong moistening!:eek::Ladys-man
well maybe 5-600 at the start, will have it spec\'d to that but will start up with low boost and see how it goes from there
few more pic\'s, removed rear axle again to give a clean up and paint, fromt engine bay clean down and painted, got mani on, and turbo to be ordered v soon, bought a rx-8 shell too, for the floor pan
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Sorry Kieran, missed this thread,
Welcome to MRC and well done with your project which is going to shock a lot of people out there as it will not only go well but also stop n steer properly and put power down o/k
Pleased your bringing it to R6 as I shall look forward to looking at this,
thanks very much chap, yeah def bringing it to rotorstock, will be far from done but will be good to see what people thing of it,
is there any chance of you changing my user name to GAZ_86, as this is my little brother\'s account he had set up
Looking forward to seeing this at RS6.
Brilliant project. :)
I\'m dripping with jealousy! That\'s awesome :D :god
Thanks people,
And thanks foe changing my user name
yep - this looks like it\'s gonna be a whole world of fun! :eek::mmmm
Well in #;o)
Quote from: GAZ_86;618340well maybe 5-600 at the start, will have it spec\'d to that but will start up with low boost and see how it goes from there
just spilled my earl grey all over the evening post :2eek,who is building your motor ?,very few 5-600 motors in the uk out there fella
Patick
my hayward himself :cool:cool
Quote from: GAZ_86;621268my hayward himself :cool:cool
have searched the forum and hayward has not got any documented high horsepower motor fella :Typing,fact.im ready to build a motor and looking for a engine builder to give me 400 plus on the wheels and cant find anybody on this forum :Typing,maybe you have seen something you would like to share :)
errr well i think he\'s built a fair few high powered rotaries mate,
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triple rotor and a turbo big enough to suck small children in seems to be high power to me
Quote from: GAZ_86;621272errr well i think he\'s built a fair few high powered rotaries mate,
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triple rotor and a turbo big enough to suck small children in seems to be high power to me
show me dyno printouts fella,no pictures thank you,also been checking the racing stats,nothing in the 1\\4 stakes,some drifting,nothing serious on circuit :chat,the question still stands........5-600hp ?
bit late to go into the spec of the engine, BUT ring carl up tomorrow and have a little chat with him, im sure he will be able to help you out,
soon as it\'s done i will get some dyno printout\'s for you
Im terible with names but if i remember correctly Atomic racing has a hayward engine as duz ToneyC
Correct me if im wrong but like i say im terrible with names.
Quote from: kiwiracer;621275show me dyno printouts fella,no pictures thank you,also been checking the racing stats,nothing in the 1\\4 stakes,some drifting,nothing serious on circuit :chat,the question still stands........5-600hp ?
BTW do you ever have anything positive to say ?
Quote from: steve garbutt;621281BTW do you ever have anything positive to say ?
yes i have :Thumbsup!,coming from NZ we are used to high horsepower motors fella,we also show dyno slips to back up our statements,maybe just a southern hemi thing fella :Typing,in europe it is all hearsay and no concrete evidance,see where im going ? i.e.you paint your shop white walls,you post pictures and we can all see white walls :Typing,you say you build 500hp motors,you post dyno slips to prove it :Thumbsup!,its positive comments,no ?
Quote from: kiwiracer;621282yes i have :Thumbsup!,coming from NZ we are used to high horsepower motors fella,we also show dyno slips to back up our statements,maybe just a southern hemi thing fella :Typing,in europe it is all hearsay and no concrete evidance,see where im going ? i.e.you paint your shop white walls,you post pictures and we can all see white walls :Typing,you say you build 500hp motors,you post dyno slips to prove it :Thumbsup!,its positive comments,no ?
I guess not.
Ever heard of the term innocent untill proven guilty.
Maybe it\'s because I usually of the thinking that if you haven\'t anything good to say then don\'t say anything.
Anyway appologies for the thread hijack Gaz.
Back on topic.
Fantastic looking motor you have there can\'t wait to see it at RS6
I think Kiwiracer does have a point. I have not seen any 500-600 dyno printouts from Hayward since I have been part of this club, plus Atomic Rex and Tony C have BHP limit to conform to for their class dont they? , maybe you will be the first Steve with your PP GT45 Hayward motor to break into the 500bhp club, looking forward to seeing it at Rotorstock
I have always seen RR results to just be a indication to how much power you got, no point in having a bit I paper telling me that I got 600 bhp when your getting pushed down the road by another car, it\'s all about how it drives on the road,
Thanks chaps, can\'t wait for rotorstock tho:D
Nice ride dude, should be a smasher when done, see a few Porsches/Bimmers/Ferraris, hell, even Lambos off if you hit your magic mark, may be a bit tricky to get all that power down though, especially in a light car, good luck, look forward to seeing you at Rotorstock and I DEFINITELY look forward to seeing the finished project.
yep looking forward to it, even with a 300bhp rotary engine the combination of the lightweight Starlet shell will be make it a very very quick car.
The Turbo you have chosen will flow to a max of 500bhp fly on high boost, you would need something much bigger for 600.
What are you going to use the car for, Street Sleeper,Track or Drag?
Really a gt4088 will only make 500 fly on a Bridgeport? Will be runnig race fuel too
yes really dude, you have to remember the power figures quoted for turbos are mainly for Piston Engines, you normally have to knock off 20% of those values for a Rotary.
For example my turbo is quoted to be 800bhp-900bhp flow pontential but thats on a piston engine, but on a Rotary 700bhp is more realistic.
Have a look at the dyno table on this forum of power fingures achieved and with what turbos
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23396
If you want over 500fly (430 at wheels) then Turbos like the T04Z,T51R,T88,GT42R is what you should be looking at
Just to add if you are going for a FULL bridgeport then the rear exhaust housing on the GT4088 maybe too restrictive and may restrict Exhaust flow, but it will spool blooody quick lol
Quote from: kiwiracer;621275been checking the racing stats,nothing in the 1\\4 stakes,some drifting,nothing serious on circuit :chat
My point wasnt BHP figures Blitz, as im also in the same frame of mind that BHP isnt everything.
My point was that Pete Barbers Drifting results nothing serious ? bear in mind hes only a few points away from leadership.
Also TonyC and Atomics efforts flying the rotary flag and respect they have is also nothing serious ?
Like i say BHP isnt everything, guess it is when you just like the Drag stip.
I to hope to be in the over 500bhp but if it dont make it then my tuning or supporting mods will be to blame not carls engine im sure, cause the car is so strong :2eek even with just 5k and .4 bar.
Going to be nice to see that power in a starlet though :D
I agree Atomics,Tonys and Petes performances are awesome.
But they are medium powered Rotaries in relation to whats out there in the UK. A high powered Rotary 500 fly and much more (in my humble opinion) is what I am waiting from the Hayward Stable, so hoping yours Steve will be the first one and looking forward to it as it will be awesome to see a GT45 PP, was hoping the Drag 20B RX3 was going to be the first.
Im just referring to Gaz\'s first post saying that he is aiming for 500-600 , that turbo will run out of puff at 500, he would need to go bigger.
But if Gaz is not drag racing it then 500 fly is mooorrrre then enough for the road and some circuit use. Well 500 fly in a Starlet will actually give you a 10 second quarter due to the light weight.
But I dont know what the Starlet is going to be used for, so 600 fly might not be necessary
IIRC Tony will be in GT500 so if his engine doesn’t make 500 fly ponies then he isn’t going to be very competitive in his class. Might be too late now, but in the big shows in NZ or OZ they always have a rolling road so you can run your car and wave your willy. Kiwiracer will know more about this. Would be good to have a dyno shoot out at RS6 along with the drag racing.
Thanks for all the info and advise, think I will keep with the gt40 idea and see what it goes like, can always buy a bigger turbo, hoping to get it down to 900kgs
I\'m still very much a new b when it comes to this engine\'s/ set ups etc, still alot to learn
Only thing you need to know is it\'s when, not if it breaks :P
What do you plan to use the car for Gaz?
planning on using it as a once month blast on the road, few drag events, will take it on track and see how it performs too, dont really no how it will drive handle etc, so after building it I will find out what\'s it suited to and focus in that area
Quote from: GAZ_86;621452Thanks for all the info and advise, think I will keep with the gt40 idea and see what it goes like, can always buy a bigger turbo, hoping to get it down to 900kgs
I\'m still very much a new b when it comes to this engine\'s/ set ups etc, still alot to learn
hoping to get it down to 900kg how much do they weigh as standard then?
rdgs
Brian
About 920, but with the rx7 rear axle/subframe and weld in cage, which bro be it up abit
Quote from: GAZ_86;621466planning on using it as a once month blast on the road, few drag events, will take it on track and see how it performs too, dont really no how it will drive handle etc, so after building it I will find out what\'s it suited to and focus in that area
Gonna be fun!
Should have gone for a low power 300bhp ish set up and see if it works 1st. think it might be a handful :god
Good luck with the project. Looking forward to seeing it, does the engine warranty cover track use?
I think it does, will have to double check with carl tho
Quote from: BlitzBoy;621368yes really dude, you have to remember the power figures quoted for turbos are mainly for Piston Engines, you normally have to knock off 20% of those values for a Rotary.
For example my turbo is quoted to be 800bhp-900bhp flow pontential but thats on a piston engine, but on a Rotary 700bhp is more realistic.
Have a look at the dyno table on this forum of power fingures achieved and with what turbos
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23396
If you want over 500fly (430 at wheels) then Turbos like the T04Z,T51R,T88,GT42R is what you should be looking at
You cheeky sod!!!;) What about the T78?!?!?!??! My car reached just over 430bhp with your mapping:evillaugh
few update pics and pics from RS6
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well took a little trip to see madrod of passion ford to pick a little present up:cool, he then took us on to XSPORT to talk about the cage that were having welded in, could\'nt believe the workmanship that goes into there cage\'s:Thumbs-up:Thumbs-up
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GT42, BB, twin scroll, v-band exhaust:rockon::rockon:
used on madrod\'s ford and made 810BHP:drive:
carl dont be mad :Thumbsup!
Lovely :D Time for some nice PP action for instant spooling !
Shaun
I\'m not mad,bring it on!
LOL
Carl
:cheers:cheers
i was worried about telling you as you thought i was mad going for a gt4088 instead of the gt35 you suggested, but i want NEED to be scared of this car so gotta go all out:Giggle
Quote from: GAZ_86;648734:cheers:cheers
i was worried about telling you as you thought i was mad going for a gt4088 instead of the gt35 you suggested, but i want NEED to be scared of this car so gotta go all out:Giggle
Your gonna be scared alright!:Giggle
fantastic build love the idea mate well done for having a go too
nice to see the hayward team are on it too should be one hell of a weapon when finished
thanks dude:), yeah been talking to carl throughout this project and he has been so helpfull, would be stuck without his help for sure:god:god
Madrod is a wee bit of a legend dude.....Along with mark piloting that thing up brunters in the wet!!!
ah matt tell me about it, he\'s like 65 now and still so into it, he such a down to earth chap, normally when you certain people have such knowledge and power they get abit up themselve\'s but he so chilled out,
telling us soo many stories:driving
I\'m just stunned - thats more or less reduced to me to a fit of giggles - that\'s gonna be insane! :Giggle
Can\'t wait to see that running!
That\'ll scare you!
is this fwd? how do you intend to drive it lol
This looks like one great little conversion!! how will this go with the DVLA and all that BS...
Quote from: 12at;652623This looks like one great little conversion!! how will this go with the DVLA and all that BS...
The conversion was carried out years ago.
Besides it still is only a 1300cc.
MMMMMMMMMM
Carl
Very interesting project, good luck with the build fella\'s
Is this project near complete and on the road yet?
Update? Neeeeed to see how this is progressing!
Cracking project mate , will be the nuts :Thumbsup!
has this car been finished yet? will it be at rotorstock tommorrow?
i read on another forum (starlet one) this has been scrapped
Probably, last post was over a year ago!
just because the last post was over a year ago doesnt mean a thing. have a look at some of the other build threads on here, loads of them havent been updated for over a year. that doesnt mean they\'ve all been scrapped.:Hammer
Quote from: GAZ_86;649014ah matt tell me about it, he\'s like 65 now and still so into it, he such a down to earth chap, normally when you certain people have such knowledge and power they get abit up themselve\'s but he so chilled out,
telling us soo many stories:driving
True, but October 2009 was the last post from the builder - so it looks a bit bleak :rolleyes:
hes been posting on the starlet forum though. just not here.
just trying to help out and fill people in on the news but next time wont bother
Quote from: hayden;786763hes been posting on the starlet forum though. just not here.
Have you got a link to the thread, be interesting to see how its progressed.
Shaun
Quote from: hayden;786764just trying to help out and fill people in on the news but next time wont bother
I wasn\'t being funny mate! Sorry if i came accross that way, i just thought it might have been abandoned as it originally created a fair amount of interest on here.
Sorry if i to be an arse! :WaveBye
I think the biggest thing that surprised me with this thread is he was "trying" to get it down to 900 kg, what do they weigh standard?
Looking on Wiki the Turbo weighed 890kg !
Shaun
Quote from: shaunwil;801369Looking on Wiki the Turbo weighed 890kg !
Shaun
that must be a bigturbo then?!;):D:rollin:rollin:Hammer
Wonderful :Giggle
Shaun