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Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 04:44:46 PM
Well, I got my car back today from being mapped and dynoed, and thought I\'d see if anyone wanted to play the always-fun guess the results game.

Bearing in mind it\'s on stock ports, stock twins and stock fuel system, but with 850 injectors in the primary, and thats pretty much it. Apexi PFC, Profec II boost controller holding .8 bar, Trust SMIC, straight-through ARC titanium exhaust and Apexi intakes. Stir in a little bit of Super 7 mapping trickery and serve whilst piping hot :Giggle

So, place your bets...whoever\'s nearest may or more likely may not win a totally useless and redundant prize..I think I\'ve got a penny chew lying around somewhere :D
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 04:57:33 PM
300 at the fly:Thumbs-up
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 05:07:38 PM
oooh, bit stingy there Lee :(
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Bobbit on May 29, 2009, 05:09:50 PM
hmmm, i\'m gonna say 307.8bhp at the wheels
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 05:10:33 PM
Gotta start somewhere :Giggle 330 atf
 
Any better
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 05:49:28 PM
Quote from: Bobbit;611848hmmm, i\'m gonna say 307.8bhp at the wheels

Blimey! I wish, dude. Oooh, Lee\'s close now. :)

Forgot to say its also got a silly large HKS downpipe on it too. Soz, my bad :o
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
335 atf:driving
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: L18M on May 29, 2009, 05:52:05 PM
328 at fly??
tho i have no idea..
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 05:58:48 PM
Quote from: lee mills;611857335 atf:driving

Hee hee! You\'re gonna get the penny chew just by going up in .5 hp intervals till you get the right number at this rate :rollin
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 06:26:28 PM
340 atf i want that sweet:chat
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: chrisJDM on May 29, 2009, 06:40:07 PM
150@flywheel :Giggle
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 07:05:35 PM
Quote from: chrisrx7;611866150@flywheel :Giggle

PMSL:evillaugh...
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 07:14:48 PM
come on time to put us out of our misery
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on May 29, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Sounds about the same as mine, but it depends wether it\'s been rebuilt or not. If not i would say 330fly
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 10:58:29 PM
Sorry about the wait...forgot I had me mum coming round for tea tonight, of all things :HammerDoh!

I think the penny chew has to go to Lee for getting closest, although he did pepper the target with random gunfire rather lol :Giggle. Dunno how well the scans\'ll come out with the new MRC stingy pic size thing...

(http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv43/Nik_da_Greek/My%20new%20RX%207%20version%20two/dynograph.jpg)


(http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv43/Nik_da_Greek/My%20new%20RX%207%20version%20two/dynofigures.jpg)

To be fair, I\'m not so exited about the 336 at the fly as I am about the 268 lb/ft of torque and the shape of the curves. I\'d sacrifice a bit of top-end that I never use on the road for grunt off the midrange any day, and the car just flies out of mid revs now. We\'re chuffed with that, we are :D
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 10:59:47 PM
Quote from: chrisrx7;611866150@flywheel :Giggle

Cheeky bugger :p I\'ll definitely be cheering for Liam at RS6 now :Giggle
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: chrisJDM on May 29, 2009, 11:04:26 PM
hehehe but you should be on the FD side of the fence :Ladys-man
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
Hmmm. Be easier to choose if your cars weren\'t both red. We all know red ones are faster, but what happens when they\'re both red :confused: It\'s a hopeless situation :Giggle
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Bobbit on May 29, 2009, 11:07:13 PM
Nice results bud, good choice on mid range power, should be a great road weapon now. Find some 350z\'s and show em who\'s boss!
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 11:11:55 PM
I gotta say, I can\'t belive how good a result it is given the stock ports, fueling and twin tubbies. Jason worked some mapping magic there, and his super-secret trick of machining the primary rail so as to let the bigger injectors seat properly and maintain spray pattern has clearly done wonders. :chuffed :yes
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 11:14:01 PM
good results mate and about time i won something lol:wiggle
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 11:18:23 PM
Won\'t be long before we\'re looking enviously at your version of this thread, Lee. Feel the lurrrrve :Giggle Now all I\'ve gotta do is resist the urge to scoff your prize between now and RS :rollin
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 11:22:58 PM
picked my car up on wednesday  made 528 fwhp at 1.4 bar but noy a very smooth power curve porting is to mild. But hey good news is im keeping it now and its going to Tim,s @ RXMotors on monday:god for some nice brap brap porting and more power:wiggle:wiggle:yes:Thumbsup!
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 29, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
Happy days then. Thanks for plssing on my bonfire quite so quickly :(! Only kidding, 528 at the fly is plenty mucho good :yes
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 29, 2009, 11:31:54 PM
it is but i think it was pushing the porting to the max so would rather make the power without so much stress on the engine. And also im chasing a 10 second run
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: gyles18 on May 30, 2009, 12:04:41 AM
very nice. id be very happy with those results :D

how did you find austec?
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 30, 2009, 12:06:54 AM
I didn\'t get there. J had already gone up with the car when I turned up yesterday, so I missed the actual dyno bit. Shame, but the way my luck goes, if I\'d been there to watch it would have shlt itself on the rollers :rollin
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: neil_jdmr on May 30, 2009, 12:17:18 AM
great torque figures Nik,
 
But on the subject and just talking about on stock ports,
How come the torque figures vary so much between engines with similar mods, Pip got me 270odd lb\'s/ft,( Ill have to check) but i also see a lot with 220-240lb/ft always around the same 300-350fwhp.
 
Is it just in the tune or does it give any indication to the health of the motor??
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: L18M on May 30, 2009, 12:24:34 AM
lee.. you jus got ur 7 back.. and not its off again for a few weeks for more porting..
hope u manage to get ur 10sec car =)

nice figure nik.. i saw the graph n was squinting to read it.. then gave up.. scrolled down some more n saw an enlarged pic lol
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 30, 2009, 12:26:52 AM
Its got to be done mate no point raing if you aint competitive:Giggle you might see it sunday as im driving up to frome late afternoon
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: L18M on May 30, 2009, 12:33:02 AM
be nice ot hav a pokey around.. i\'ll be there 4pm onwards.
come stop round at my shop.
golden sand, 40 vallis way :)
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 30, 2009, 12:35:38 AM
might do if i can find it. gotta meet my inlaws then drop the car up to tims give us a post code for the sat nav and ill pop in and say hi
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: L18M on May 30, 2009, 12:38:47 AM
i pm you.....
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: exiled-viking on May 30, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
will this be going to rotorstock6, and  i would be happy so you could always put it in my 8, well done
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on May 30, 2009, 05:00:09 PM
Quote from: neil_jdmr;611990great torque figures Nik,
 
But on the subject and just talking about on stock ports,
How come the torque figures vary so much between engines with similar mods, Pip got me 270odd lb\'s/ft,( Ill have to check) but i also see a lot with 220-240lb/ft always around the same 300-350fwhp.
 
Is it just in the tune or does it give any indication to the health of the motor??


I thought about this too. Mines at 320 bhp fly, 278 Ibft
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: ashc on May 30, 2009, 06:27:47 PM
mine did 324.1 at the fly and 268.0 at the wheels at reworx, similar rwhp but less fwhp for some reason - similar mods but no airpump
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: neil_jdmr on May 31, 2009, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: RobbieRX-7;612086I thought about this too. Mines at 320 bhp fly, 278 Ibft

Pretty much identical figures to mine, But most dyno sheets ive seen show something more like, 320fwhp  236 lb/ft.
 
What is the standard 255hp rx7\'s torque figure ?
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: karl_tate on May 31, 2009, 12:19:40 AM
good figure for .8bar tho, how does it compare to before??

lee, your car is going to make some nice power at 1.4bar with a bridge :D you going full or half??
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 31, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
probably full but will speak to Tim first
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Test Drives Unlimited on May 31, 2009, 12:09:24 PM
Nice to see your Car going well Nik & some good Figures there :yes
 
Its alright for some,I been Banned from Driving by my Doctor:eek:,as had a Accident with my Left Knee!! My RX8 been parked on my Drive,since last Tuesday Afternnoon:eek
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on May 31, 2009, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: GreySilver Beast;612248My RX8 been parked on my Drive,since last Tuesday Afternnoon:eek

Pah! My fd has sat on my drive for 2 years  :(
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: d6277n on May 31, 2009, 09:02:25 PM
Hi Nik,

Great results :Thumbsup! Be interested to see how it compares to mine in terms of driveability. Are you coming up to rotorpop - will see you there for a beer if so :guinness

Chris.
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: antnicuk on May 31, 2009, 10:06:46 PM
nice results on a stock engine,  interesting how they calculated 20% losses (drag) most people say 18%,   good for pub torque i spose :)

Lee,  did they find out what the issue with your car was?
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on May 31, 2009, 10:33:44 PM
Quote from: antnicuk;612336nice results on a stock engine, interesting how they calculated 20% losses (drag) most people say 18%, good for pub torque i spose :)
 
Lee, did they find out what the issue with your car was?

Yep was the race fuel:mad:
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on May 31, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
Haha pub torque, very good. I wondered about the 18% thing, too. Can\'t answer that one, I\'m afraid. :3Confused

Cheers, Mr Beast! Sorry your \'8s out of action atm, dude, but at least it\'s better to be banned by your doctor than by the Courts :)

Karl, it\'s bloody excellent mate. Especially since I had it with the boost held back to .6 bar before because of the injectors maxing out, so it was well slow. She\'s a goer now :D. I still think it\'d be faster if you let me have  my shopping list back though lol, that\'d be worth another good 10 bhp

Chris, yeah, I\'ll be at RS mate, I\'ve got to prove to Adam that red ones are faster than black (although I can\'t shout too much about that or Lee will prove yellow ones are fasterer still). See you at the bar, dude :cheers
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Test Drives Unlimited on June 01, 2009, 03:23:05 AM
Thanks Nik:)
 
If only I had a Auto RX8:2Rolleyes,then I could still be out driving my car & not worry about the Clutch Pedal:Giggle
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Grizzly on June 01, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
Tip for you,Next time you go for a Tune Buy a Rise rate Fuel reg and a Bosch 044 Pump then have the Fuel pressure turned up, Then hey presto you will have a car capable of 310-320 at the hubs.
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: BlitzBoy on June 03, 2009, 12:12:08 PM
528 is enough power for late 10s if everything else like launch and traction is good.

Good result Nick, thats enough power for mid 12s
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Nik da Greek on June 03, 2009, 12:18:27 PM
D\'you reckon? Better brush up on my technique then, and I may stand a chance of making Ada kiss my rosy red butt :D (*ahem* metaphorically :o).

Only annoyance is the pops and bangs you get at 2,200 rpm on a trailing throttle. I wouldn\'t mind, it never goes that low on the road, but in 30mph-ish town traffic it\'s impossible to avoid. Soon as I decelerate at 2500 revs it just goes pop-pop-pop-POP-BANG!, guaranteed. Fun for a bit, but it\'s a bit embarassing at times.

Wonder if it may be a dry join in the exhaust? My old Akrapovic used to do it on my FireBlade cos it was all held together with springs, and it used to draw air in through the joins slightly on the overrun. Any ideas, anyone?
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: lee mills on June 03, 2009, 12:18:30 PM
Its not exactly a smooth 528 though mark was pushing the porting to the limits and then some:Laugh
Title: Another "guess the power" thread
Post by: Bobbit on June 03, 2009, 01:03:49 PM
Quote from: Nik da Greek;613063D\'you reckon? Better brush up on my technique then, and I may stand a chance of making Ada kiss my rosy red butt :D (*ahem* metaphorically :o).

Only annoyance is the pops and bangs you get at 2,200 rpm on a trailing throttle. I wouldn\'t mind, it never goes that low on the road, but in 30mph-ish town traffic it\'s impossible to avoid. Soon as I decelerate at 2500 revs it just goes pop-pop-pop-POP-BANG!, guaranteed. Fun for a bit, but it\'s a bit embarassing at times.

Wonder if it may be a dry join in the exhaust? My old Akrapovic used to do it on my FireBlade cos it was all held together with springs, and it used to draw air in through the joins slightly on the overrun. Any ideas, anyone?

Mines just started this after spending the entire weekend under the bonnet tracing the rats nest and sorting out loose pipes etc. I\'d be interested in anyone response becasue as Nik\'s said it is fun but driving through our quite little village i do feel a bit of a pillock.