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Cars by Model Type => 3rd generation RX-7's => Topic started by: SleepyDude on January 30, 2009, 12:09:28 AM

Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on January 30, 2009, 12:09:28 AM
Hello guys

New question on what looks best on a REX.

My RX7 has been de winged and hand the wiper removed etc. I love the look but im getting allot of hassle from those who think a \'drift\' spoiler will look better.

I am also going to get a bonnet much like the scoot one for my car.

Im thinking striped out will look great with that bonnet and feed skirts?

Opinions

http://freemyiphone.co.uk/141

(only pic of my car i have on my laptop so not of the back but you get the jist , also didnt know how to post the pic so uploaded to my server)

Thanks
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: jm-garage.co.uk on January 30, 2009, 12:14:44 AM
Subtle skirts something like the RE Amemiya AD D-2 with the rear spats to match and leave the wing off.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: neil_jdmr on January 30, 2009, 12:26:52 AM
Anything but the extremely large gt wing\'s that seem to be landing on every japanese car up and down the country.
 
GT wing\'s are for the track and not for street cars imo
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: dthebuk on January 30, 2009, 01:11:32 AM
hmm, i think cars with the 99 spec frontbumper + splitter need wings, they just suit the rest of the car more. How about a nice 99 spec rear wing?
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on January 30, 2009, 01:25:15 AM
Hmm thanks for all the imputs guys keep them coming lol im really not sure about this one and i wanna be sure before i throw more money at the car. lol
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: dthebuk on January 30, 2009, 01:42:50 AM
oh, one thing for definate, if you don\'t have a spoiler you NEED a rear diffuser :D
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: gsb876 on January 30, 2009, 02:17:43 AM
a pic of a FD without a wing from the front and side looks good, but the rear shot of a FD without a wing looks not so good.

Try to get someone to photoshop a wing on and see what you think ??? :yes
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: reeph on January 30, 2009, 06:39:46 AM
Put a wing on it but make sure it\'s high, I mean as high as the roof, GT style wings that you know aren\'t even in the air flow are stupid. Go GT: high as the roof and as wide as the rear arches.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Ada7 on January 30, 2009, 08:56:16 AM
I prefer them with a wong on the back. I can look ok for soem angels wingless but most of the time you look at it and think there\'s something missing, just to help complement the lines of the car.
Try find a 99 spec standard onw as these are one of the best looking and more sublte if you dont like big GT style wings

Adam
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 10:42:44 AM
Could get light in the rear end at high speed. Even the stock wing helps at 200kph+ or as said before use a rear difuser to create down force.

Here is a pic of what I use. Its a custom copy of the 99spec. I dont like the fat bits of the 99spec that sit on the boot lid so mine has those parts cut out. I race my car often and reach speeds of 270kph+ and this wing gives plenty of down force...car is very stable.

Theres a few different views for you to get the best aspect of how it looks.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: D2BBA on January 30, 2009, 11:07:39 AM
I think smooth is the way to go with your current level of styling, or even a low-level RX7 specific wing.

If you go down the large rear wing route make sure its a quality, non universal part, or itll ruin the styling.

Just my 2p :)

Chris
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Archbish on January 30, 2009, 11:35:45 AM
No Wing!!

(http://www.archbish.com/pics/rotorstock1.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Rzla on January 30, 2009, 11:40:13 AM
If you get a wing you need a diffuser... thats for sure..
And if the car is done right the GT wing looks amazing...
If your car is butt standard then you obviously can\'t get a wing...
Also depends how fast you drive... if you drive fast then you need a wing as has been said at high speed the back feels less stable
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: NurburgRob on January 30, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
No wing and diffuser (who says that doesn\'t look good)

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/senojsports/martout1.jpg)

96-98 OEM rear wing, seen one of these painted black on a silver car and you could hardly see it.

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/senojsports/meout4.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on January 30, 2009, 08:08:58 PM
Well Im thinking now keep the wing off as i think the standard wing is dated and gt wings look a little chavey unless they have a real working purpose.

I really do need a diffuser though as in not as stable as i would like top end, let me know if any for sale.

The car is getting the scoot bonnet for sure and some skirts, not sure what skirts though? What ones are on your cars pics Dr-Rotor they look nice!

is there anyone with the scoot style bonnet and wingless?

Cheers guys
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on January 30, 2009, 08:10:31 PM
Quote from: D2BBA;579740I think smooth is the way to go with your current level of styling, or even a low-level RX7 specific wing.

If you go down the large rear wing route make sure its a quality, non universal part, or itll ruin the styling.

Just my 2p :)

Chris

But would you stay wingless with a scoot style bonnet on the car?
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
Quote from: SleepyDude;579980Well Im thinking now keep the wing off as i think the standard wing is dated and gt wings look a little chavey unless they have a real working purpose.

I really do need a diffuser though as in not as stable as i would like top end, let me know if any for sale.

The car is getting the scoot bonnet for sure and some skirts, not sure what skirts though? What ones are on your cars pics Dr-Rotor they look nice!

is there anyone with the scoot style bonnet and wingless?

Cheers guys

My side skirts are RE-Amemiya AD9 i think they were called. Probly not the same as todays AD9 style though cos these ones are not made anymore. The rear caps are a match to the sides. I like diffusers but I dont need one....would be a little over kill with all the body mods I have, so less is more.

When I chose the kit for my car I wanted something smooth to keep the water flowing over rocks effect. My idea was to create an RX7 that looked like a pumped up version from mazda. Like a special edition or something.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:18:37 PM
Quote from: SleepyDude;579982But would you stay wingless with a scoot style bonnet on the car?

I have a friend that has a setup like that...Looks nice. Alot of my friends have no wing on their cars. In fact there are alot of FD\'s in NZ that have no wings. If they do have a wing it normaly stock or something that fits the kit.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Nik da Greek on January 30, 2009, 09:20:02 PM
Wingless looks quite cool, especially on a white or black car, in my humble opinion...now for the contentious part.....

***deep breath***


leave it out with the Scoot (copy) bonnet, it\'s been done to death. Everyone and their Max Power-reading dog have a Scoot-alike bonnet nowadays :Giggle. Do something else.


***puts on tin hat and ducks down behind parapet***
:D
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: Nik da Greek;580013Wingless looks quite cool, especially on a white or black car, in my humble opinion...now for the contentious part.....

***deep breath***


leave it out with the Scoot (copy) bonnet, it\'s been done to death. Everyone and their Max Power-reading dog have a Scoot-alike bonnet nowadays :Giggle. Do something else.


***puts on tin hat and ducks down behind parapet***
:D

HAHAHAHA.....no need to duck and hide. Everyone has different taste. I look at it this way. When veryone has a stock car, they all look the same but some have personal little touches. When alot of cars have the same bonnet it dose not bother me because the rest of the body mods are completely different. This is the reason why I had my Feed bumper modified to my needs instead of just putting it on. I had the main intake inlarged and the side vents molded closed to match the skirts.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: FEED Addict on January 30, 2009, 09:31:06 PM
Have you seen the FEED bonnet! Gonna be expensive mind, but would look nice with or without a rear wing!
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: m1tch on January 30, 2009, 09:32:42 PM
Should have got a FC :D

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l49/m1tch_2006/bootspoiler.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:36:37 PM
Heres a good shot that shows how the skirts seem to make the car look wider and more agressive yet still smooth. Sorry I hi-jaked your thread. I wont post anymore pics.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: m1tch;580020Should have got a FC :D

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l49/m1tch_2006/bootspoiler.jpg)

That is a bloody nice FC. Well done. I like it alot.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: m1tch on January 30, 2009, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: Dr-Rotor;580023That is a bloody nice FC. Well done. I like it alot.

its not mine, but I have the only rear spoiler in the country in my garage lol

As for the FD I would think that a small suble curved wing would be best, something like this:

(http://www.rhdjapan.com/images/product/55058/Image/Normal/Image.jpg)

Just so that is flows with the lines of the car :)

Or this:

(http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/35622/2005914746453346175_rs.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: gary dickens;580018Have you seen the FEED bonnet! Gonna be expensive mind, but would look nice with or without a rear wing!

Hey Gary this ones just for you buddy, I noticed your signature says FEED me!, so you must be a huge fan. I know my car is not all FEED but this is what I used to have on it for a little while, you may like it you may not.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:49:23 PM
Quote from: m1tch;580026its not mine, but I have the only rear spoiler in the country in my garage lol

Haha...bloody good effort. Good man.

As for the wings you posted, Yea I agree. Those are nice wings. The Veilside fortune style isent bad either if it came in a smaller version to fit the stock arches.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 09:58:17 PM
Sorry my mistake. They still make my side skirts.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/commodity/?pid=09804165&scd=5168
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: FDAsh on January 30, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
Belt and braces for me...

(http://www.corsasport.co.uk/carimages/7661/IMG_0738.JPG)

:Giggle
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on January 30, 2009, 10:16:55 PM
Quote from: Dr-Rotor;580034Sorry my mistake. They still make my side skirts.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/commodity/?pid=09804165&scd=5168

Is there any pics? that site has just jap writing that i cant read lol
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: SleepyDude;580045Is there any pics? that site has just jap writing that i cant read lol

Thats odd...when I click on it, it shows a pic. Try this.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/commodity/?model=3&cotype=2&pid=390630e2
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 30, 2009, 10:32:30 PM
Quote from: FDAsh;580035Belt and braces for me...

(http://www.corsasport.co.uk/carimages/7661/IMG_0738.JPG)

:Giggle

Wow...Is nice aye....
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Jono FD3 on January 30, 2009, 10:51:26 PM
Small subtle wings are the way forward I tell ya :)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/jonathandudley/REX/DSCF3881.jpg)

Jono
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 31, 2009, 03:46:18 AM
SNAP!!!!.....I like your side skirts....lol

Is Nice......<--Borat comment
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SiH on January 31, 2009, 07:21:51 AM
Wingless + MazdaSpeed diffuser (Barely visible in this shot) FTW!
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r30/Simon_r_hill/FDProject/2464198879_6bb4583f14_o.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on January 31, 2009, 11:10:57 AM
Quote from: Dr-Rotor;580050Thats odd...when I click on it, it shows a pic. Try this.

http://www.re-amemiya.co.jp/commodity/?model=3&cotype=2&pid=390630e2

Nope still just Jap writing! If anyone has some or seen them for sale pls let me know!


:-)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: leeincivic on January 31, 2009, 01:49:29 PM
bare arse with diffuser ftw!:driving

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/leeincivic/rx7%20pics/DSC_0073.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SiH on January 31, 2009, 04:13:03 PM
DAMMIT! I need 96 spec rear lights...
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on January 31, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: SleepyDude;580136Nope still just Jap writing! If anyone has some or seen them for sale pls let me know!


:-)

Ok when you click the link it should come up with some english wrighting. In the squares it should read in order like this....FC3S  FD3S  RX8

Click FD3S

Then you should be taken to this page described below.

If you see a page that has the heading Parts/List FD3S and a line of boxes below with jap wrighting then click the first box on the left. That will take you to pictures and give you the price of all the parts in Yen. With these jap pages you just have to click around untill you find what you want.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Rzla on January 31, 2009, 11:04:32 PM
GT wings look chavy on chavy cars...
A rex is not a chavy car so a gt wing looks good... but it has to flow with what you have going on on the exterior of your car... you cant have it stock and have a gt wing... it doesn\'t look right...
some of the best looking cars from japan have gt wings and i know people drool over them... so gt wing is not chavy just chavy on chavy cars :p
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: RobMatthews on January 31, 2009, 11:50:10 PM
fd ash please sell me your feed spoiler:InLove

Dr rotor car looks gorgeous in white,my track car will be mercedies(sp) white very soon:Thumbsup!:mmmm
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on February 01, 2009, 12:39:49 AM
Quote from: leeincivic;580168bare arse with diffuser ftw!:driving

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/leeincivic/rx7%20pics/DSC_0073.jpg)

See this is why i LOVE wingless.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on February 01, 2009, 03:25:37 AM
Quote from: RobMatthews;580384fd ash please sell me your feed spoiler:InLove

Dr rotor car looks gorgeous in white,my track car will be mercedies(sp) white very soon:Thumbsup!:mmmm

Thank you.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Twilight on February 01, 2009, 12:22:59 PM
This is a good question. Both of them look very good indeed. But i think i\'ll go for the 99 spec rear wing.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Nik da Greek on February 01, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Yeah! Late-spec wing FTW!
Title: Wingless?
Post by: REVIT93RX7 on February 02, 2009, 05:51:13 PM
I think the car just needs something.  The big wings are just not right for the car.  Take a look at the 98 type RZ wing.  It is like a small whales tail.  I think that type look good.  Anyway keep us posted as to what you decide.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: JBerg on February 06, 2009, 12:45:08 AM
Dr-rotor,
 
What fenders and front bumper do you have?
 
Looks reallly nice :Thumbsup!
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Dr-Rotor on February 06, 2009, 05:09:45 AM
R-magic fenders and custom Feed front.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJvIu40pL9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78EfeI39gLw&feature=channel_page
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: metalCORE on February 18, 2009, 01:22:44 PM
...if your RX is for cruising around the ice cream shop and impressing the ladies, the you don\'t need a rear wing.

If you use your RX-7 for what it\'s made for (going fast on street/highways, or some quartermiles) then it\'s impossible to drive it hard without a wing and stay dry in your pants. The RX need downforce, as without any diffusors/wings he is very light at high speeds, i would never go without. The standard wing has improved over the years, so the \'99Spec is a very good option, andlooks nice, too.

Higher rear wings can improve that downforce as good as diffusors, but that depends on where you use the car... :)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Archbish on February 18, 2009, 01:50:11 PM
^^^^^  ((why would you need a wing for the 1/4 mile unless you\'ve over 1000 hp, and crossing the line at over 300mph...??))

IF you\'re using the car for track use, then totally agree.  It\'ll only start to come into it\'s own at higher speeds, and those are the kind of speeds on the road that you shouldn\'t be doing, imho.  Even if you\'re \'driving enthusiastically\', you shouldn\'t be cornering at anywhere NEAR the kind of speeds where the downforce of any wing will start to make a difference.  On the motorway at over a ton, the downforce will do little more than drag, as there are NO bends of significance.  If you\'re going down a country lane at below 80, the wing really won\'t make a difference (other than drag again).  So on 99% of road legal RX7\'s it\'s a pointless appendage with as much impact as a greddy sticker on the side.


...imho.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: metalCORE on February 18, 2009, 02:57:06 PM
...yeah, you\'re right.

...but i\'ve heard from people with S14\'s driving on our highways will make a difference from 200km/h and above. The RX-7 has less downforce on the rear than an S14, because of his sloping rear, i hope you know what i mean.

And, trust me, in our area (Berlin and around) we\'re driving fast often, most of our Autobahn in this area is unlimited... :D


So, thats what i want to say. In germany you\'re kind of pussy when you have a high powered car and no wing, because anybody knows that you\'re not driving hard, hahaha... ;)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Archbish on February 18, 2009, 03:08:23 PM
^^^sorry, I didn\'t see the Germany bit...  And you have the best track days.  But round hampshire, a wing is definitely a decoration!!
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: gyles18 on February 19, 2009, 09:16:16 AM
i think its probably one of the best looking rx7\'s anywhere.....pretty much spolierless asdies from that lip.....

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n217/wingategyles/resizedpictures05031ti7.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n217/wingategyles/resizedpictures05028qy9.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: jackaleks on February 19, 2009, 09:33:47 AM
^^ that\'s one of the shine auto demo cars isn\'t it?
 
love the combination of that boot lip and diffuser.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: gmogle on February 19, 2009, 10:14:12 AM
I love my 99 spec rear wing

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/gmogle/P8230309.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/gmogle/P8220303.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Nik da Greek on February 19, 2009, 10:45:58 AM
That diffuser in the pics Gyles posted up is, IMHO, the only one that doesn\'t look totally awful on an FD. Every other one looks like a random bent bit of plastic tat tacked on as an afterthought, whereas the early model Amemiya one looks like it was actually designed to intergrate with the lines of the car, and thus actually looks like it should be there, not like the car\'s run over some roofing sheets in the road and got them stuck under the rear end....

Won\'t expect anyone else to agree with my inane rantings, but that\'s my 2ps worth :)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: jackaleks on February 19, 2009, 12:23:51 PM
tend to agree with Nik, although this one (the Shine car I was thinking about above) looks seriously sexy:
 
(http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr205/ShineAutoProject/FD3S%20FEED/resized_ken6.jpg)
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: gyles18 on February 19, 2009, 01:45:56 PM
im thinking of that diffuser for mine. ive got a 99spec rex and i think that would go pretty well..... its very simple and like you say, keeps the line of the car.....
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: SleepyDude on February 19, 2009, 02:12:26 PM
Quote from: metalCORE;585346...yeah, you\'re right.

...but i\'ve heard from people with S14\'s driving on our highways will make a difference from 200km/h and above. The RX-7 has less downforce on the rear than an S14, because of his sloping rear, i hope you know what i mean.

And, trust me, in our area (Berlin and around) we\'re driving fast often, most of our Autobahn in this area is unlimited... :D


So, thats what i want to say. In germany you\'re kind of pussy when you have a high powered car and no wing, because anybody knows that you\'re not driving hard, hahaha... ;)

Well i know my Rex gets a little twitchy at high speed but i think a diffuser will sort that out. i think im gonna stay wingless as i looks nice on my car and i dont want to end up looking like a tit with a massive great dirty drift spoiler if i only track the car once a year. lol

Still hoping to add a the scoot style bonnet and some nice sideskirts (hopfully same as dr rotors if i can find them.
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Gsung on September 26, 2009, 11:53:03 PM
Quote from: gyles18;585628i think its probably one of the best looking rx7\'s anywhere.....pretty much spolierless asdies from that lip.....

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n217/wingategyles/resizedpictures05031ti7.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n217/wingategyles/resizedpictures05028qy9.jpg)

Sorry to bring a dead thread up... Does anyone know what that spoiler is called? and where i can get it from.

Thanks
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: gyles18 on September 27, 2009, 12:34:15 AM
shineauto developments. i do believe rotaryart can get them as well and i think its just called a lip spoiler. only comes in carbon also so is a bit pricey!
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: Gsung on September 27, 2009, 09:51:49 AM
thank you :D
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: neil_jdmr on September 27, 2009, 10:17:39 AM
You can also get them direct from shineauto in frp or carbon and on their site its called the low-level lip spoiler.
 
Pretty sure rhdJapan can supply them with a uk delivered price too but i think direct from suppliers will be cheapest and the guys at shine auto seemed like top people to me
Title: Whats Better spoiler vs wingless?
Post by: L18M on September 27, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
not really been reading much of this thread but have used autoshine from the states and they very good to deal with, fairly quick reply from emails and they always try to please :)