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Cars by Model Type => 3rd generation RX-7's => Topic started by: ronut7 on January 10, 2009, 11:52:40 AM

Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ronut7 on January 10, 2009, 11:52:40 AM
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp199/ronut7/?action=view7cuurent=Photo735.jpg)was talking bout this in d cups wheels thread. let me know what you think!:3gears-rh
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ronut7 on January 10, 2009, 11:55:51 AM
aarghhh balls. can anyone tell me an easy way to upload from photobucket? thought i had th pic uploaded but must be doin summit wrong!:2Mad
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: Kevin on January 10, 2009, 12:13:55 PM
There you go mate....

(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp199/ronut7/Photo0735.jpg)

I like big wheels, but that would handle like a boat. lol. :driving

They look too small for 20\'s though??  Or is it just the picture?
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ronut7 on January 10, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
i think its just the picture m8. i thought exactly the same,that they didn\'t look like 20\'s. strange but they def are. how did you get the pic up by th way?
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: Kevin on January 10, 2009, 12:21:18 PM
Use the code thats underneath the smaller pictures mate, for example:

Use this in between the img commands

albums/pp199/ronut7/Photo735.jpg

Dont use this, or if you do get rid of the "?action=view=7cuurent=" bit.

albums/pp199/ronut7/?action=view7cuurent=Photo735.jpg

If you get what I mean?
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ronut7 on January 10, 2009, 01:24:37 PM
think so,jus use th album/ronut bit not all th =?= stuff?:3Confused
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 10, 2009, 01:34:58 PM
i have 19" s and i dont think i have a boat
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ENVYD on January 10, 2009, 02:22:27 PM
17" are by far the bet way to go for a FD i think, spesh for street use, maybe 18" but going over that i think your overkilling it! but thas just my view!
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ronut7 on January 10, 2009, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: batman;573188i have 19" s and i dont think i have a boat
did you say th other nite you had 19\'s 4 sale?
any pics of your car with the 19\'s on it?:mmmm
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 10, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
yup they are for sale
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/ascaudio/IMG_0255_copie_s.jpg)
 
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/ascaudio/IMG_0256_copie_s.jpg)
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: yehreally on January 10, 2009, 04:43:47 PM
20\'s on the rear 17or18\'s on the Front :eek:
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 10, 2009, 04:45:40 PM
nope there 19" front and rear wider at the rear bigger dish
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: Kevin on January 10, 2009, 06:49:25 PM
Quote from: batman;573188i have 19" s and i dont think i have a boat

20\'s = Boat
19\'s = Tractor
18\'s = Mondeo
17\'s = Just about right

Just my personal experience.
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 10, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Kevin;57328620\'s = Boat
19\'s = Tractor
18\'s = Mondeo
17\'s = Just about right
 
Just my personal experience.

 
personal experience :2Rolleyes i doubt
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: chrisJDM on January 10, 2009, 08:41:59 PM
those wheels definetly look good but yes would mess the handling up a little 17/18 are usually the best to go for in terms of handling
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 10, 2009, 11:17:54 PM
i doubt any one in here without looking at a wheel size just to get in a car and say the handling was different better worse by driving it . you couldnt tell the difference between a 17 18 19 inch wheel
 
 sorry but i believe this post to be absolute tosh
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: MaLicE on January 10, 2009, 11:35:26 PM
when i had my 200sx i tried it on 17\'s and 18\'s and bolted a set of 19\'s on for a laugh, there is a HUGE difference im sorry to say! just driving down a road you can feel the difference!

main difference besides tram lining is the fact the side walls are normally alot thiner and stiffer the bigger you go they make the ride alot harsher...
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 11, 2009, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: MaLicE;573401when i had my 200sx i tried it on 17\'s and 18\'s and bolted a set of 19\'s on for a laugh, there is a HUGE difference im sorry to say! just driving down a road you can feel the difference!
 
main difference besides tram lining is the fact the side walls are normally alot thiner and stiffer the bigger you go they make the ride alot harsher...

 
thank you some one with the correct point bigger wheels means stiffer ride not mondeo or tractor i like tram lining in  a car the more feed back the better .17s are good but i find the ride soft and to sloppy . but then i use to own a westfield at 18 and i like a stiff go cart ride
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: Papercup on January 11, 2009, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: batman;573433thank you some one with the correct point bigger wheels means stiffer ride not mondeo or tractor i like tram lining in a car the more feed back the better .17s are good but i find the ride soft and to sloppy . but then i use to own a westfield at 18 and i like a stiff go cart ride

more tramlining means you\'ve screwed the ride by arsing up the geometry and offsets with wheels that are too big
 
if you find the handling soft and sloppy on 17s i suggest you modify the suspension properly
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: gandyRX on January 11, 2009, 12:42:11 PM
ive got mine on 19"s and lowerd on tein suspension, there ok but im kinda thinking of going smaller, they look ok but rub quite abit on lock plus the tyres are really expensive, heres a pic
 
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/gandyVTR/025-5.jpg)
 
also if anyones interested im willing to swap them for a set of deepdish wheels either 17"s or 18"s with or with out tyres, the 19"s have 4 brand new tyres and have only done 100miles and are in good condition
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: Bobfish on January 11, 2009, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: Kevin;57328620\'s = Boat
19\'s = Tractor
18\'s = Mondeo
17\'s = Just about right

Just my personal experience.

Heres a video of me driving my Rx7 with mondeo 18 inch tractor wheels around the nurburgring in 8 minutes and overtaking a porsche GT3RS in the process

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=5YI6LYqF9TQ

And another of me stuck the the ass of a porsche GT3 that will not move over...

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJqILLdJ8sc

Bloody mondeo\'s!
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 11, 2009, 03:54:24 PM
Quote from: Papercup;573436more tramlining means you\'ve screwed the ride by arsing up the geometry and offsets with wheels that are too big
 
if you find the handling soft and sloppy on 17s i suggest you modify the suspension properly

 
 
:rollini like tramlining not more tramlining i have the right offset and right suspension settings , i just have stiffer small side wall in the tyre thanks but i guess you d know that already huh
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: batman on January 11, 2009, 04:00:55 PM
Quote from: Bobfish;573506Heres a video of me driving my Rx7 with mondeo 18 inch tractor wheels around the nurburgring in 8 minutes and overtaking a porsche GT3RS in the process
 
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=5YI6LYqF9TQ
 
And another of me stuck the the ass of a porsche GT3 that will not move over...
 
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJqILLdJ8sc
 
Bloody mondeo\'s!

 
welll there ya go bobfish if you had the right wheels and suspension you might have done it in four mins bet you feel a right faliure now lol :Hammer
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: chrisJDM on January 11, 2009, 06:11:16 PM
hehe this thread is funny, i lke it when arguments start bout little things :D
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ENVYD on January 11, 2009, 07:28:15 PM
i would not of thought that putting a bigger wheel on makes your ride stiffer? :S
 
if you change the wheels from 17 - 19\'s with the same size tyre wall the ride would be the same (in a straight line)? just more likely to catch the inner arch over bumps?
 
i still say 17 and 18" wheels are the best!
 
there is a vid on youtube off a dvd from the land down under of a rx-7 that has 20\'s on and he sort of track/drifts it, but the pressure on the hubs and diff off the strain of trying to move the 20\'s causes it the fook the diff!
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: logicalChimp on January 11, 2009, 07:32:16 PM
@ Envy

If you make the alloy larger, but don\'t change the rolling radius of the wheel, then something else has to get smaller.  By changing up to 18" or 19", the sidewall of the tyre gets reduced - it\'s the only way to maintain the radius, and ensure it all still fits in the wheel arch ;)

Besides, it\'s that very reduction in the tyre wall that makes people think 18" or 19" \'looks better\' than 17" wheels...
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ENVYD on January 11, 2009, 07:38:54 PM
yeah i know mate! but i have had both 17" and 18" wheels with 40 walls and the ride did not get any stiffer?? (on my 200sx)!
 
and you said it \'looks better\', i think big wheels with skinny rubber looks fart! and is in no way any gain to performance or handling and there for taking something away from what the car is all about!
 
but that is just my view and other people have diffrent one\'s
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: MaLicE on January 11, 2009, 07:42:46 PM
the 40 on the sidewall changes for the size of the tyre... a 235 wide tyre with a 40 profile, has a different sidewall height to a 255 wide tyre with a 40 profile! the profile is a percentage of the width...

so a 17 with 235/40 has a different sidwall height to a 235/40/18
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: logicalChimp on January 11, 2009, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: ENVYD;573636yeah i know mate! but i have had both 17" and 18" wheels with 40 walls and the ride did not get any stiffer?? (on my 200sx)!
 
and you said it \'looks better\', i think big wheels with skinny rubber looks fart! and is in no way any gain to performance or handling and there for taking something away from what the car is all about!
 
but that is just my view and other people have diffrent one\'s

If you kept the sidewall the same, then you\'re right - you wouldn\'t expect a bit change in ride quality.  However, you will have changed the rolling radius, which means the speedo etc will be out, and you are likely to have clearance issues etc (as far as I understand these things, anyway).
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: MaLicE on January 11, 2009, 09:44:54 PM
the speedo on my 200 and also on my fd both over read anyway... 40mph on the speedo is 35mph actual speed... thats on stock wheels on the fd...
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: stocky on April 09, 2009, 02:11:38 PM
would changing to a larger size wheel really upset the handling???
ok there would be a small weight increase goning from a 17" to a 19" wheel but the actual rolling radius is still going to be the same (within 1-10%) and the trye width will still be pretty much the same too  the only real difference is a small increase in the loss of flex in the tyre wall due to it being smaller but then it wouldnt be that much as there both going to have the same air pressure inside them the only differenve being a slightly bigger surface area of contact on the rear tyre on the ground????????:3Confused
so is there any actual proof that this does have a negative impact on handling as i do think a larger wheel does look better as it fills the arch a bit more
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: FDAsh on April 10, 2009, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: Bobfish;573506Heres a video of me driving my Rx7 with mondeo 18 inch tractor wheels around the nurburgring in 8 minutes and overtaking a porsche GT3RS in the process

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=5YI6LYqF9TQ

And another of me stuck the the ass of a porsche GT3 that will not move over...

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJqILLdJ8sc

Bloody mondeo\'s!

I went round last weekend with 18" Mondeo wheels too, was still up the arse of a Skyline and a motorbike too. :2Confused

Surely if you have a light 18" wheel and a heavy 17", you\'re better off with the 18"??
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: neil_jdmr on April 10, 2009, 11:55:29 AM
Anything bigger than 18\'s is for show only as it cannot be benificial for performance in any way, If your interested in getting the best performance out of your car its 17-18\'s. On the turn of the coin if you want everyone to be amazed at your beautiful japanese sportscar (which iam not knocking this point of view as i have friends that are into the show scene, just not my bag) then get 19 or bigger squeezed under there and some do look amazing like this.Some people like a bit in the middle, show looks and good performance but IMO this is in the 18\'s bracket
 
Its just different opinions and ideas.
 
17\'s with a good coilover suspension kit for me and i would never change it.
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: ronut7 on April 13, 2009, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: neil_jdmr;597993Anything bigger than 18\'s is for show only as it cannot be benificial for performance in any way, If your interested in getting the best performance out of your car its 17-18\'s. On the turn of the coin if you want everyone to be amazed at your beautiful japanese sportscar (which iam not knocking this point of view as i have friends that are into the show scene, just not my bag) then get 19 or bigger squeezed under there and some do look amazing like this.Some people like a bit in the middle, show looks and good performance but IMO this is in the 18\'s bracket
 
Its just different opinions and ideas.
 
17\'s with a good coilover suspension kit for me and i would never change it.
....,didn\'t mean to start all this,:eek.
But i will say this,what neil said imo is pretty much bang on the money.I think some of the cars in this club look awesome on 17/18\'s because the hole car is styled that way,i.e. race/track car.
All i want for my car is the looks for the street,so i\'ll prob end up on 19/20\'s,solely for the wow factor. Thats really all this thread was started for,:).
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: rx7_andy on April 19, 2009, 11:09:08 AM
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u156/andy_rx7/05112006501.jpg)

my old rx7 on 19s same wheels!
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: FDAsh on April 19, 2009, 02:49:37 PM
Did you go from the Ultralite 18s to them Andy? Notice any difference?
Title: fd on 20\'s
Post by: rx7_andy on April 19, 2009, 05:19:38 PM
went from 19s to 18s to 19s the car felt alot better on the 18s regretted going to 19s