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Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: bigdawg on November 10, 2008, 11:18:08 PM
ok before you guys tell me to search the forum... i have :) for a few days.

i get the general idea that i should NOT go for drilled discs because of cracking issues.

i have about £400 to spend... so can you guys share some wisdom for the noobie plz :)

i am running 350 bhp and dont plan on taking it on the track for a while so brakes are just for fast road use.

ive found ferrodos ds 2500\'s for £130 for the set but am stuck on which discs to get!

thanks
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: fd3s_ on November 10, 2008, 11:43:28 PM
Perhaps grooved discs (20-40 grooves) would be a good idea, also use braided brake hoses along with performance pads. This should improve breaking considerably. Most of the breaking is done at the front but few people have been upgrading their rear calipers to 4 pot too.
 
Reminds me of that guy I saw with his FD3S @ JAE this year, 8 pot calipers and the car doesn\'t even get driven as its just for show.
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: bigdawg on November 10, 2008, 11:45:31 PM
yea grooved is what ive been searching for... but the cheapest ive found are £200 and there just standard... got any links or any deals?
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: fd3s_ on November 10, 2008, 11:50:18 PM
The deal I got was about a year back from one my local suppliers. I paid around the £400 mark but that included 3G discs front and rear with 20 grooves and Mintex pads. But in my opinion I wasn\'t impressed with the Mintex pads that much.
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: lockwood77 on November 11, 2008, 09:07:45 AM
Hawk pads and Racing Brake grooved discs from Mazda Rotary Parts (Clive) - do the job for me on track. I run braided hoses and Castrol SRF fluid too, but I don\'t think you\'d need that unless you\'re planning on getting them proper hot.
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: Bucko on November 14, 2008, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: lockwood77;553161Hawk pads and Racing Brake grooved discs from Mazda Rotary Parts (Clive) - do the job for me on track. I run braided hoses and Castrol SRF fluid too, but I don\'t think you\'d need that unless you\'re planning on getting them proper hot.

 
is that using standard calipers ar you upgraded them too
 
how good are the standard calipers for a 300+ bhp
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: BlitzBoy on November 14, 2008, 02:56:40 PM
Grooved discs using standard calipers with Ferodo DS2500 pads and braided brake hoses FTW
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: mph_saab on November 14, 2008, 03:55:40 PM
I bought these last week and they make a huge difference:
 
http://www.mazdarotaryparts.com/bfd-bs02a-mrp-recommended-hawk-brake-pads-for-fast-road-useb-1292-p.asp
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: bigdawg on November 14, 2008, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: BlitzBoy;554460Grooved discs using standard calipers with Ferodo DS2500 pads and braided brake hoses FTW

thats the set up im looking to get. how much did you spend and from where?
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: lockwood77 on November 14, 2008, 10:11:57 PM
Quote from: Bucko;554458is that using standard calipers ar you upgraded them too
 
how good are the standard calipers for a 300+ bhp

They seem to be fine for me at 310bhp, although they definitely get a bit hot on track!
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: buckman67 on November 15, 2008, 09:06:01 AM
Quote from: bigdawg;553104i get the general idea that i should NOT go for drilled discs because of cracking issues.

Many high performance cars leave the factory with drilled discs, its down to the quality and preparation of the metal used.
Taking a standard disc and drilling some holes in it ( ebay quality ) is an invitation to cracking.  Buy good quality discs, get good performance.
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: Bucko on November 15, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Quote from: lockwood77;554620They seem to be fine for me at 310bhp, although they definitely get a bit hot on track!

you still got the abs onit
am trying to race prep my rex but the budget got very tight
have to ditch the abs but not sure how well the brakes qould last after 20 laps
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: lockwood77 on November 15, 2008, 05:41:51 PM
Yep, ABS still working, kicked in a few times today at Rockingham!

Brakes seemed fine for 20 min sessions, needed a bit of heat, but then on the way home I\'m getting a massive knocking noise and vibration in the brake pedal, so dunno what that is!?
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: hairyhoover on November 15, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
what are the hawk pads like for brake dust?
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: lockwood77 on November 15, 2008, 05:51:27 PM
Seem pretty good actually, certainly no worse than others I\'ve used.
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: Bucko on November 16, 2008, 01:41:49 PM
i will not be allowed to raace with abs so will have to take it off thinking of fitting a pedal box assembly
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: SiH on November 16, 2008, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: lockwood77;554860Yep, ABS still working, kicked in a few times today at Rockingham!

Brakes seemed fine for 20 min sessions, needed a bit of heat, but then on the way home I\'m getting a massive knocking noise and vibration in the brake pedal, so dunno what that is!?

Sounds like pad build up on the disk from the pads. go over them with some emery and it should sort it :)
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: lockwood77 on November 16, 2008, 04:30:31 PM
Quote from: SiH;555149Sounds like pad build up on the disk from the pads. go over them with some emery and it should sort it :)

Cheers mate. Had a look at the discs today, couldn\'t see anything untoward from the outside, but yeah, it sounds like it must be that cos the car still stops, so it can\'t be anything too major!
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: joshrulz on November 30, 2008, 12:02:10 PM
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52907
Title: upgrading my brake system
Post by: lockwood77 on November 30, 2008, 12:24:32 PM
Nice conversion mate, looks expensive and sounds like considerable hassle though!

I have now identified a cracked front disc, exact cause unknown, but clearly due to overheating. :(