Mazda Rotary Club

they told me the figures were using the -ve load kinda thing which i presume is the "run-down" method & that they couldn\'t caluclate it back with a standard formula as they vary from car to car. Seemed a little weird they couldn\'t just whack the actual power at rollers on too but hey only going on what i was told & i still like my lill graph either way.....
Si

What dyno is Pip getting? I vaguely recall Dom from Dyno Dynamics mentioning Pip so may be its a DD too? would be nice if there was a DD up that way...

Not sure which Dyno Pip is getting, once i\'ve been i\'ll let you guys know. :)

Pip is getting the Dyna pack hub dyno.These are a very good tool and very kind to your car,they use windows software,and are not Dos based.
Regards
Carl

Yeah, Geff said yesterday, DD were abit slow with the hard sell apparently :)

Windows software - hope the IT geeks arent reading this! :rollin DD will soon be susceptible  to the Windows patented \'blue screen of death\' too as they have Windows software being finalised atm. Hopefully it wont be a compulsory \'upgrade\'! ;-)

Every one has a preference I guess, Geff and Phil have used Abbey and CPL more than most here and decided the Dyno Dynamics was theirs. Geff was introduced to the DD when he went to Aus with MicroTech in 2003 and was very impressed. He used Jon at RX Engineerings Dyno Dynamics. Either way, a dyno is a very useful tool to have in your workshop as you say Carl...

Other people who use Dyno Dynamics (extracted from our website) just for the sake of it:

Maztech
Mazfix
Dalton Automotive
Dyson Rotary
Rotormaster
Selectmaz

Be very happy if we get any where near replicating any of those guys achievements in the future, LOL!

Just flicking through here the other day and Ive been moved down to 9th but should be in 5th just above Ant, some pages ago my dyno at the hubs was 365
And Gurj in 6th is at the fly?

My attempt is temporary but is easy to update so if any one wants it changed then just let me know.

Gary - no offense - I\'m sure a few of the entries are wrong! I\'ve moved you back up to numero 5. The reason Gurj is their with FWHP is that no one seems to want to agree on a conversion factor between W/F/H power - so I just listed them \'as recorded\' and indicated whehter W/F/H...

It all looks very good but weather its fly or wheel seems irrevant really. It should all be on a even keel either fly or wheel not both. Also i would think that dyno figures should be backed up with accurate graphs from calibrated dynos to count.

May well be wrong but just my feelings.

can see where the confusion is, I think Glen converted my hubs to wheels as I think thats what he wanted to get to, now is a mixture, fly obviously lower thats why I noticed it. Regardless of conversion factor if its wrong everyones would be wrong by the same amount but should probably convert everything to fly as must use it (and its bigger)

I think all figures on  here have been provided by sheets via the owners or the tuning companies doing them.

"dyno-dynamics" and "Flywheel" seem popular-converting the rolling road "at the wheel" to "flywheel" seems ultra simple if you\'ve got the right equipment.
Though i agree boost bar IS a major factor when comparing RXy\'s.
Pete:)

Its easy to just use a deemed loss to convert from wheel to fly (for e.g.) - its a matter of agreeing what the conversion is tho or half those on the forum will be unhappy - you lot decide! We used to use a fixed 18% loss to convert from wheels to fly power, but that may or may not be accurate (unlikely) - and for a fact some will disagree strongly. You\'ll find umpteen different opinions as to how wheel/whatever power etc relates fly/whatever power.

Far be it from me to decide whats \'right\'.

IMHO,
It\'s fairly clear from the list that the significant factors seem to be:
1-whether it\'s ported
2-Is it a Phallic Toe-HKS or maybe the BB Garrett?
3-Non sequential Twins have a part too
4-If your Rexy is for straight 1/4 mile burn\'s, reliability is less of an issue
Unlike piston/conrod/cam non rotary engines, the reasons for differences in performance is simpler to see.
Maybe i\'m talkin a load of testicles:D :rolleyes:
Pete

QuoteOriginally posted by petemillis
Most consistently reliable conversion factors I have found for a rear wheel drive are as follows.

RWHP +10hp to arrive at ATH HP then take into account 12% loss from fly to hubs by dividing by 0.88.

So, 250 rwhp + 10 hp  = 260 ath hp
      260/0.88 = 295 atf hp

Going the other way 295 atf hp - 12% = 260 ath hp
260 ath hp - 10 hp = 250 rwhp

Rich, you are the number cruncher.
can the sums above be worked out into a percentage, or just use whats a simple calculation like this one if it is the accurate.

Then can we all argree that figures to be quoted are fly.

If others disagree later, well tough you could change things constantly, were not looking for accurate we want something comparable. The other important items also that Pete put forward such as porting, psi, turbos etc can also be added .

At the end of the day it should be more fun than anything else.

The biggest bhp may rebuild every race, but bhp blown up on the dyno dont count, it must at least drive home or somewhere. Its all pub talk (where\'s danny when you want him)

QuoteOriginally posted by PETE SMITH
Unlike piston/conrod/cam non rotary engines, the reasons for differences in performance is simpler to see.

Hey Pete!

HKS turbos are Garretts - but with housing profiles and designs and wheel combinations that are proprietary to HKS i.e. Garrett cant make them for others. Note that some HKS turbos ARE ball bearing too, in spite of the fact that most people assume they all still use bush bearing technology.

The main performance factors are the same with pistons and rotors - port shape on a rotor is the equivalent to cam shaft profile on a boinger for e.g.

How does this look, will add other info if peeps want:

(http://www.reworx.com/images/MRC_dyno_table.jpg)

My excel skills arent great so let me know if u think the fly numbers look wrong, lol!

Most of all though, this is for a laugh at the pub - I dont personally agree with the notion of fixed losses but dont car ;-)

May be we can clea up this thread a bit Gary? just leave peoples graphs and get rid of some clutter?

Well done Rich :cool
BTW can you confirm my car getting its bits on the week beginning 4th April?
Pete:wave

When ANT ran his  12.71  1/4 on stock twins in July 2002 has anybody any idea what bhp fly or wheel he was running at ????

He didn\'t know it at the time as far as i am aware he only found out his bhp a couple off weeks ago! very nice power though.

How do i contact him to ask him ? :wave

db2boy is his user name pm him. not sure what he is up to atm so might take a while.

Thanks mate will do.:)

QuoteOriginally posted by Warthog
When ANT ran his  12.71  1/4 on stock twins in July 2002 has anybody any idea what bhp fly or wheel he was running at ????

Ant\'s car was dyno\'d ROUGHLY around that time at 292 at the wheels on G-Force\'s Dyno Dynamics rolling road (at the first FDUK rolling road day) ;-)

It has since been rebuilt a couple of times I think, last output was on a fresh motor CJR :D

John - Ant was running all day (literally) in order to nail that one launch that earnt him <13

Seems a long time ago now, I remember it well. Have in-car of it still some where...

QuoteIt has since been rebuilt a couple of times I think, last output was on a fresh motor CJR

Very true.

Thanks for that Chris. Yes i would like to see the in car as and when you dig it out. J.C.

Hi Rich [tea boy:D ]

Some VERY slight alterations to my entry: Taken from my Dyno pack results {@ Abbey] [06.03.04] Hub BHP 346.5, AFR 11.75,1bar booost giving FWHP of 396.5 running SEQUNTIAL TURBO\'S, this has changed somewhat since then but have no graphs to back them up....................for now:D :D

C U N Friday;)

Think that might sit me @ 6th, BTW thought GURJ was originaly FWHP? ie:343FWHP, or have I missed something.

QuoteOriginally posted by PETE SMITH
BTW can you confirm my car getting its bits on the week beginning 4th April?
Pete:wave

Youre penciled in for the w/c the 4th - let geff know whens best...

John - will amend later u picky get ;-)

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:cool What do you mean .............. me picky nah...... Just a bit more street cred or is it better pub boasting:rollin :rollin :rollin

What were your dyno dynamics figures John compared to dynapack?

Rich just sent you a PM on the FDUK site.

What were your dyno dynamics figures John compared to dynapack?

Did them back to back to ensure the tests were the same

Dynopack [Abbey]: 346.5 ATH @ 7238rpm 291.2 FW torque @5640rpm
AFR 11.5 , boost 1.0 bar

Dyno Dynamics [CPL]: 315.7 ATW @ 7200 265 Ftlbs torque @5640 ATW

Works out about 10bhp difference if you work the figures back to FW

Hi john,
What gear did you do the runs in on each of the rolling road\'s?What revs did you max out at?
Were both test\'s done with in an hour or so of each other on the same day?
Regards
Carl:)

I agree Carl, more tests are required to come up with hub / roller figures.

Anyone else had there car on both types (Dynapack and Dyno Dynamics) for comparison?

Max,
Can you put my results on the spreadsheet please
Owner: chris sense tuning
engine built by: sense tuning
Tuned by Reworx
Car FD
Street port 13b 2 hybrid 12a turbo\'s
RWHP 405 HP
Flywheel 481.3 HP
@ reworx 24/12/2004

QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Hi john,
What gear did you do the runs in on each of the rolling road\'s?What revs did you max out at?
Were both test\'s done with in an hour or so of each other on the same day?
Regards
Carl:)

Hi Carl

Both runs were in 3rd gear
Revs were more or less the same peak power was approx 7200 both power runs finished soon after that, no more than 8k
Both tests were within the same week, unfortunatly I have to work in between times;)
The car had the same fuel [Optimax]
Apart from having the dyno machines side by side I think that is about as close as you will get, as a comparison.
I think if you go through this rather long thread there are graphs to show all the details........................ :confused:

QuoteOriginally posted by John Yorke
Hi Carl

Both runs were in 3rd gear
Revs were more or less the same peak power was approx 7200 both power runs finished soon after that, no more than 8k
Both tests were within the same week, unfortunatly I have to work in between times;)
The car had the same fuel [Optimax]
Apart from having the dyno machines side by side I think that is about as close as you will get, as a comparison.
I think if you go through this rather long thread there are graphs to show all the details........................ :confused:

Hi John,
Thanks for that,are you sure about the run being in 3rd gear at Abbey?I allways do them in 4th on the Dyno Hub.
Regards
Carl

Makes pretty much zero difference on the Dyno Dynamics - does it change much on the hub dyno then?

I remember Guy had an R32 on his dyno which was then taken to Abbey the same day - a similiar rollers/hub variance to that which John saw fwiw.

Hi,

Can you adjust the spreadsheat to read 348whp, taken in September 04 at AVB sports in Germany. Streetport tuned by myself. 352nm at the wheels.

John

Had a good drive up to Thor at Warwick Saturday (2 April) with me local Jap car club.

Having run me motor in and already having a Dyno figure from Geff @ReWorx, was really for a day out and check up  to make all was ok.
Anyway, final figure turned out at 379hp on the hubs, was a little shocked as had been 323rwhp at Geff\'s.

Is this variance acceptable, i can understand that two different machines,different days, different operators and all that and i would always try to get to Reworx if i can.....dont know.

As far as engine and mods, both on the same spec. no changes between the two runs.

 .8 bar, a/f looked good and an \'interesting\' drive.

J.

QuoteOriginally posted by jonyb
Had a good drive up to Thor at Warwick Saturday (2 April) with me local Jap car club.

Having run me motor in and already having a Dyno figure from Geff @ReWorx, was really for a day out and check up  to make all was ok.
Anyway, final figure turned out at 379hp on the hubs, was a little shocked as had been 323rwhp at Geff\'s.

Is this variance acceptable, i can understand that two different machines,different days, different operators and all that and i would always try to get to Reworx if i can.....dont know.

As far as engine and mods, both on the same spec. no changes between the two runs.

 .8 bar, a/f looked good and an \'interesting\' drive.

J.

Yes dynos do read differently.
I went to TDI the other day and the use a hub dyno,they reckon that there readings are 7% less than the one at Abbey.They are both different makes.
That is why I have said many many times that dyno\'s are only a tool to tune your car, and for consistancy in tuning you should try to use not only the same make of dyno but the exact same one if at all possible when making changes and tuning again.
All dyno figures should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Regards
Carl

Out of interest when I was tuning the other day we maxed the cars out to 170mph to put a good load on the engine.Not all dyno\'s can do that.Some are more limited in their speed.
Regards
Carl;)

QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Out of interest when I was tuning the other day we maxed the cars out to 170mph to put a good load on the engine.Not all dyno\'s can do that.Some are more limited in their speed.
Regards
Carl;)

170mph.....fking hell, Thor got to 127mph in 4th and that was to much for me........ i stood outside, bit loud....

Understand on your comments for these things, im more bothered that its hp reliable side than big hp re-build time....

fast enough......for the minute, Rotorstock will tell :cool

QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Out of interest when I was tuning the other day we maxed the cars out to 170mph to put a good load on the engine. Not all dyno\'s can do that. Some are more limited in their speed.

Why did u do that Carl? is it hard to load cars up on the hub dyno then? cant think why you would need 170mph road speed to generate adequate load whilst tuning - or were u just testing out Dave\'s silly-big brakes? :rollin

QuoteOriginally posted by jonyb
170mph.....fking hell, Thor got to 127mph in 4th and that was to much for me........ i stood outside, bit loud....

Understand on your comments for these things, im more bothered that its hp reliable side than big hp re-build time....

fast enough......for the minute, Rotorstock will tell :cool

Well your car should be reliable since it has been mapped at ReWorx.
The reason that we map to a high speed should be pretty obvious really,the car is not limited to only 120mph so the tuning should be done at the limits of the car and not the dyno whatever the hp you require.After all,how many people only drive their car to the redline in 3rd gear?especially on track days.

The dyno hub puts plenty of load on the engine but enables all of the gears to be properly tuned,if the engine is only tuned in 3rd gear then the turbo will come on boost differently from 4th and 5th and in those gears the tune may not be as safe,But I would have thought that any good tuner would know that.
Regards
Carl;)

Presumably a real 170 is also going to be very different to a stationary 170 though, unless you have enough fans to produce that sort of windspeed?

All down to the tuner i suppose, although i can see where you coming from.
As it was group dyno got to the numbers and happy to drive home.

Carl,

Andrew with the 02 spirit ( i think you serviced it for him) got 255@hubs (ex factory 280fwhp) ....he was happy with that i think. Just for info.

J;)

QuoteOriginally posted by jonyb
All down to the tuner i suppose, although i can see where you coming from.
As it was group dyno got to the numbers and happy to drive home.

Carl,

Andrew with the 02 spirit ( i think you serviced it for him) got 255@hubs (ex factory 280fwhp) ....he was happy with that i think. Just for info.

J;)

But remember that the 280hp is the agreed limit from the japanese manufacturers,so in all likelyhood the spirit has more than 280 flywheel.
Andrews car is on a stock ecu still too.
regards
Carl

QuoteOriginally posted by Carl
Well your car should be reliable since it has been mapped at ReWorx.
The reason that we map to a high speed should be pretty obvious really,the car is not limited to only 120mph so the tuning should be done at the limits of the car and not the dyno whatever the hp you require.After all,how many people only drive their car to the redline in 3rd gear?especially on track days.

The dyno hub puts plenty of load on the engine but enables all of the gears to be properly tuned,if the engine is only tuned in 3rd gear then the turbo will come on boost differently from 4th and 5th and in those gears the tune may not be as safe,But I would have thought that any good tuner would know that.
Regards
Carl;)

In case it isnt evident I dont do any tuning for RE:Worx! :confused:

Carl,

I dont see how road speed correlates to load and thus why you need to tune maximum load at 170mph. My understanding is this (ltd I grant u!): the ECU determines ignition and fuel settings at any given time by looking up the current engine load (which it uses the MAP sensor to measure) and referencing it to engine rpm. How does the amount of timing or fuel required at a certain engine load vary with road speed? isnt the timing and fuel the same for a given load, whether you are in 2nd or 5th? the boost pattern will vary loads but the ecu will look at the same values in the MAP to determine what it does - theres no gear or road speed correction? so what does it matter which gear u tune in as long as all your loads sites are covered - which they will be - ? I\'m confused. I will ask Max later, I\'m sorry if I\'m missing some thing.

Hopefully some one else finds this interesting too!

R.

QuoteOriginally posted by 20B_boy
In case it isnt evident I dont do any tuning for RE:Worx! :confused:

Carl,

I dont see how road speed correlates to load and thus why you need to tune maximum load at 170mph. My understanding is this (ltd I grant u!): the ECU determines ignition and fuel settings at any given time by looking up the current engine load (which it uses the MAP sensor to measure) and referencing it to engine rpm. How does the amount of timing or fuel required at a certain engine load vary with road speed? isnt the timing and fuel the same for a given load, whether you are in 2nd or 5th? the boost pattern will vary loads but the ecu will look at the same values in the MAP to determine what it does - theres no gear or road speed correction? so what does it matter which gear u tune in as long as all your loads sites are covered - which they will be - ? I\'m confused. I will ask Max later, I\'m sorry if I\'m missing some thing.

Hopefully some one else finds this interesting too!

R.

Hi Rich,
Load points in 4th gear will differ to load points in 5th gear, same as the difference between 3rd and 4th. Part of this is due to the time difference taken to cover the effective rpm range, and the amount of load asserted over the same area.
For instance, say an engine´s peak torque is found to be at 6000rpm. Peak torque being the highest load point, and most probable point for detonation. As the engine accelerates through this point, a tuner might not notice an increase in Knock or hiccups in fueling. If he were to tune the car in a higher gear, the time spent over this range will increase thus improving the chances of tuning out any anomolies.
The tuner may wish to hold the dyno load at this point to simulate this effect in a lower gear, but ultimately will not give a true representation of the load characteristics experianced in the higher gear. Chassis dynos should be used to suppliment ones tuning methods, not determine them.
Most common enviroments for tip failure are on the road and in the higher gears, accelerating through the engine´s peak load point.
Sorry for the long winded reply, i hope that it may be of some help.

John

QuoteOriginally posted by 20B_boy
In case it isnt evident I dont do any tuning for RE:Worx! :confused:
R.

It is,don\'t worry.

See what John has said.
Thanks John for explaining the reasoning.Also if you map only in one gear then you are likely to end up with parts of the map that have not been tuned,eg a high gear at low rpm will end up in a part of the map that a mid gear will not.You still have to input the data to control the event correctly so that when the ecu detects those parameters it knows exactly what to do.
Regards
Carl

Yup, just found this thread. I agree that the longer you spend going through a cell, the greater degree of finesse you can apply. A/F correlation to the cells in question is more accurate, and so is the volume of information you get in feedback.

The cells you pass through also vary slightly, a slower pull goes through into boost cells far earlier than a regular shootout power run, although once you hit the peak average boost cells, the journey across the rev range is as before.

This can be mimicked on many dyno\'s by adjusting the ramp rate manually, effectively giving the same slow rate of acceleration and loading that a higher gear would give. Two ways of reaching the same result.

Good cooling fans are a necessity for this!!! The extra load turns the rotary engine into a very effective kettle ;)

Off to play fireman now, cheerio!

Thanks guys - I like to learn :)

So you can achieve the same thing by adjusting the ramp rate - I figured that if my knowledge and logic failed that there must be some way of replciating the afforementioned conditions or some of big guys who tune on DD\'s, err, wouldnt!

Ooo, this is a bit technical for my addled brain!
It reminds me of Treadmill tests for people with dodgy hearts!:eek:
The correlation for the RX is scary!
Most people with Angina are smokers-BUT ALOT ARE GENETIC LINKED- they give out lots of emissions from there Tabs...a bit like an RX....And they both eventually need a rebuild!..I suppose Coronary artery grafting is a good quality Port!!:p
Pete
BTW, i smoke cigars..:o

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Pete
BTW, i smoke cigars..:o [/B][/QUOTE]

Tut tut Dr Pete:D
How can you face your patients having partaken a lar-de-dar:bandit

PS Find this part of the thread very interesting

Mints and aftershave!:p
though, you must remember some people we see, don\'t alf honk!
Pete :)

how do these different types of dyno\'s work then ?

I know some use a rotating mass and just work it out by how quickly it can be accelerated but then I imagine thats not the best thing for actually mapping an engine ?

I\'m not 100% sure but the  water brakes we use at work vary the load to hold the engine at a constant speed and calcuate the power from that.

And how do you calibrate a rolling road ? I can see how you can make sure the rotating mass ones a pretty much spot on by making the flywheel arrangment accurately but the brake type would require somthing of know power output to calibrate it ???

The dyno dynamics type uses a system similar to a Telma (electromagnetic retarder) on a LGV Mike.

How it is initially calibrated, I\'ll find out.

I think the Dynapak uses fluid?

QuoteOriginally posted by 20B_boy
Thanks guys - I like to learn :)

So you can achieve the same thing by adjusting the ramp rate - I figured that if my knowledge and logic failed that there must be some way of replciating the afforementioned conditions or some of big guys who tune on DD\'s, err, wouldnt!

So do all the DD\'s have the same limitations or are the big boys using bigger better DD\'s.

Is that like comparing it to a folk lift, and a ramp
both will lift the car, only one better and possible without damage.

QuoteOriginally posted by maximtaylor
The dyno dynamics type uses a system similar to a Telma (electromagnetic retarder) on a LGV Mike.

How it is initially calibrated, I\'ll find out.

I think the Dynapak uses fluid?

Hi Max,
The type I used the other day works similarly to the DD,but there is no "flywheel effect" from the weight of the rollers themselves that can affect the way that the rollers act upon the rest of the car when going through the gears.Of course when holding a point then that will alleviate that.

Hey Rich,
Come on,I am sure that you know how your equipment operates,and don\'t need Max to explain it on here since he is working for you.
Regards
Carl:rollin

Hi Gary :)

I think most of the Rolling Roads available now are far more advanced than people think, especially if the operator knows how to use them properly! The big leap was the addition of the computer to the system.

Most dyno\'s can hold / retard / ramp / display and store all manner of parameters / make the tea these days.

I guess as with all things, people have preferences to makes and types.

Max

QuoteOriginally posted by g11ary
So do all the DD\'s have the same limitations or are the big boys using bigger better DD\'s.

Is that like comparing it to a folk lift, and a ramp
both will lift the car, only one better and possible without damage.

QuoteOriginally posted by maximtaylor
Hi Gary :)
 make the tea these days.

Max

Hi Max :)

Looks like my jobs gone then :D

OK, so, can any of you make a RR work properly with a Renesis? :D

The rolling road bit is fine, it\'s the Renesis bit that\'s the problem ;)

Well, finally got round to getting the FD tuned and commpression tested yesterday down in Pompey.

Results:    7.2 on every rotor face....NICE!!!

265RW/HP  @ 0.8 Bar  (i think, or was it .9 max?)

The car is now smoother than baileys on ice  :D :D

And by the way the fuel economy has gone through the roof, it cost me twice as much to get there in the morning pootling along, as it did thrashing her all the way home.!!

Thanks to Chris and Geoff for the friendly and no messing about service, they found a couple of problems, and just got on and fixed them.

Thanks to Max for the setup and the demonstartion on how to fill a workshop with smoke!!!   I will let you explain Max.

(by the way max took it all the way through 3rd and fouth a couple of times on the way home)


Nick

:cool

QuoteOriginally posted by rmagictastic
265RW/HP  @ 0.8 Bar  (i think, or was it .9 max?)

0.8 bar Nick :)

Quote
Thanks to Max for the setup and the demonstartion on how to fill a workshop with smoke!!!   I will let you explain Max.

Being that you\'d never used the second turbo, it did cause a slight haze when I opened her up ;)

thats right i always wondered what happened after 5000 revs

:D

now i know i think i may be visiting the second turbo more regularly!!!

ive seen the light!!

Could someone update my HP figs on the list please.
Also pics of Rich without a fag & beer on the go but a spanner.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, FORGOT the pic, stupid boy, don\'t tell them your name PIKE.

Can\'t seem to upload at the moment, will try later.

Could the list be updated please -- new figs as per my signature. Many thanks J.C.

Hey guys:)
 I picked up my 92 FD yesterday, it`s standard apart from a Mazdaspeed catback.
 Today I took it down to Surrey Rolling Road in Camberley where we have a 4WD Dyno Dynamics chassis dyno( I am a dyno operator there;) )
the results i got are as follows:

199.3hp ATW
237.6hp ATF

the point the second turbo kicked in the fuelling went off the scale past 10:1 afr
Primary turbo peaked at 0.75bar secondary hit 0.69bar before dropping down to 0.6bar

here is my scan from pips yesterday with machine reading 5%low at the hubs its reading 341.2 hp with should be about 423bhp on 0.8boost.

car was built by mazdaspeed 1995 type r t78

graphs here http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16247

Is anyone keeping the main dyno table up-to-date?  Wasn\'t there talk of some easier way to do this, perhaps a link to a page on the MRC site which has a database attached to it?

Anyone fancy putting this together?

Cheers
H

Can you add me, 527 rwbhp @ 1.4 bar, Sterte Garage, Bridgeport + T51R Kai turbo ;)

Got home in one piece then mate? :wave

Nice one ANT, looking coolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. :cool

I will have to enter the only FB on the big HP chart as soon as Tim has finnished fitting the boost controller.
It dyno\'d 217rwhp@8psi previously.  It will be running 15psi this week so i\'m hoping for 250+rwhp in a car that weighs less than Jonny vegas!!  Bhp/ton means it should fly up the 1/4.

Hi guys, can someone stick me into the table please!

Dan Verge
Engine Re-built be Re:worx
Tuned by Panspeed Japan
Car is FD RX-7
Engine is 13B twin turbo
HP 274.1 rwhp, measured at Re:worx on 23/08/05

Hi,
Update(a bit late...)
S4 13BT
Built by WGT in 2002
Tuned by myself over the past 2 years
376 at the hubs @ 11psi(0.75bar)
Reading at WGT Dyno pack - 28/05/05

John

Update Time

Can someone put mine on the table please :)
Engine was built by RoTecniks, twin turbo, tuned by ReWorks


Adam

Forgot to ask how you got on Adam, DOH! good result

Cheers mate. was happy with it considering i didnt have any boost at all!!

http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18075
That\'ll explain all. :)

If your about on friday night or saturday give me a call, we\'ll meet up. If not see you sunday in town  :cheers

Adam

I am free Friday night IIRC. :guinness

Quote from: KieronI am free Friday night IIRC. :guinness

Come downthe White lion pub in Milford. Proper Drinkin!!  :guinness  :guinness  :guinness

Adam

Whats IIRC?

If I Recall Correctly

See you there  :cool

Could you please update the table as per my signature. Many Thanks. :wave

When was this table last updated???????? Because as it stands that puts me in second place and I don\'t believe that :xconfused

309.7 RWHP

 :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :yes  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

Got 208.4 RWHP  the other day at RE:Works RR day  :D

Really happy with that as i was really expecting the same as i had a couple of weeks ago as i havent done anything to the car. The only thing i can think of that may of made a difference was that i had a new power steering pump put on as the old one was knackered. This may of freed up a little bit more power :)

Can some one update the table now with all the new figures

Adam

405 RWHP happy chapie!

Quote from: Ada7Got 208.4 RWHP  the other day at RE:Works RR day  :D

Really happy with that as i was really expecting the same as i had a couple of weeks ago as i havent done anything to the car. The only thing i can think of that may of made a difference was that i had a new power steering pump put on as the old one was knackered. This may of freed up a little bit more power :)

Can some one update the table now with all the new figures

Adam

You mean 280.4 RWHP matey!  Have you been on another long shift again?

Chris is there anyway that this thread ( bhp table can be sorted out into twins and single turbo so people can see where they are. Or just sorted out into one new table it\'s just so out of date and people keep adding to it with no update. The reason I am asking you is that you did such a good job with the twins 1/4 mile table. :wave

Hey warthog,got fuel lines and slicks fitted  :burnout

Go Go Go, that beauty will be racing soon man. :god

Quote from: Ada7Got 208.4 RWHP  the other day at RE:Works RR day

Thought you were making 280+  :xconfused

Quote from: chrisBoidYou mean 280.4 RWHP matey!  Have you been on another long shift again?

Oh yeh. cheers mate. 280.4 RWHP.
Yeh has been another long shift!  :( Always a smile on my face though on the drive home :)

Adam

Can I be added to the list please??

Standard port and turbo\'s
Tuned by RE:Worx

Power graph attached....

Many Thanks

Rich

Oh i do like that Richard, it gives a good guide as to what mods does what, i think that would be enough power for me in fact,
is it enough for you?
cheers Bob

Did I ever say, can you add my car 527rwhp @ 1.4bar boost, RX Motors bridgeport engine tuned by RE:Worx and ourselves.

Ant.

Quote from: ro284Oh i do like that Richard, it gives a good guide as to what mods does what, i think that would be enough power for me in fact,
is it enough for you?
cheers Bob

Thanks Bob :cheers

Its enough for now!! Need to concentrate on cooling and suspension over the next few months, before I increase the power anymore! :evillaugh

I think the only thing i will do differently is to fit a silinced mid pipe, to keep the nieghbours happy! plus im getting on a bit!  i was hoping to see/ hear your car on sunday but think you said you can\'t make it till very late in the day, Are you going to lower it? I just had new pillow bushes (rear) fitted at Tim\'s, that made a difference!
Bob

Yeah have to work every Sunday :reallymad , it\'s very difficult to get days swapped etc.
Hoping to catch people later on, I know some are heading over to Dan\'s to strip his car of bits! If not Im sure we\'ll meet at shows next year!?

Suspension wise, starting with the basis- laser alignment as the car is suffering abit of bump steer. :(
 Uprate antiroll bars, braces, etc. Will eventually fit coilovers, may lower alittle, but not much-  roads are to poor round here :reallymad .
A FEED full bush set would also be v.nice ;)  :yes  :yes  but too many penny\'s at the mo :rolleyes:

Rich

Quote from: A7NTYDid I ever say, can you add my car 527rwhp @ 1.4bar boost, RX Motors bridgeport engine tuned by RE:Worx and ourselves.

Ant.

I think your sig\'s a bit our then Ant!  ;)

QuoteSuspension wise, starting with the basis- laser alignment as the car is suffering abit of bump steer. :(

Start with alignment by all means, but bump steer on a lowered car with skinny tyres is a feature, not a bug, and means your suspension is working properly! Bump steer will get WORSE as you add braces and so on. Suspension\'s supposed to follow the surface exactly to provide grip, but usually they engineer in a bit of slack for comfort, which what mops up the bump steer (along with the chassis warping.)

Quote from: zevansStart with alignment by all means, but bump steer on a lowered car with skinny tyres is a feature, not a bug, and means your suspension is working properly! Bump steer will get WORSE as you add braces and so on. Suspension\'s supposed to follow the surface exactly to provide grip, but usually they engineer in a bit of slack for comfort, which what mops up the bump steer (along with the chassis warping.)

Understand that mate, thanks anyway! :)
At the moment the car is totally standard suspension wise and not hugely skinny tyres and suffers bump steer badly, skittisk(?, is that a word) on counrty roads, etc. So I know something isnt aligned quite right.

My last car had very low profile tyres (25\'s) and lowered to within a inch of its life (mostly done for looks, as it was SLOW).

So have a good idea what it should feel like, the RX in comparison is very unpredictable.

May also be a case that bushes are on there way out, after all the car is 13yrs old!

Hope to not get shot down in flames :flamed  :rollin

Rich

Tricky,

mines is the same, and as far as i can gather its usual in all rex\'s. Ive changed my rear bushes which does make the car feel better, i still get alot of bump steer. i live in the country where the roads are bloody awfull, im running std. sus with 255/45/17 rear    235/45/17 fronts.

its a part of rex life i am afraid, (alot has to do with your roads though)

Nick :wave

Oh ok - I answered the wrong question then ;)

Rear bushes and/or shocks for sure, if it\'s generally skittish...

Should I add mine to the table?

Not too bothered as the figure will be improved early next year, but my car made 342hp @ hubs @ 0.6bar.

t78 turbo 13b

Dont matter too much but not sure if all figures are in rwhp or flywheel hp ?

Looking to run 1.2bar next year with some extra mods like water inj and bigger injectors / fuel pump so will be interesting, will it be going up the strip /??????? ewrrrr ................ no  :D

The table on the first page looks quite dated. Can we not not start another thread just like the stock twins thread with a table for the power figures?

I asked the same thing some time ago but it feel on deaf ears.

I must say this is an important thread to a lot of people and it needs to be sorted.

 Glen can someone do it??????????? :wiggle

See, I would edit the table only I\'m not very good at it (Ok read that as \'crap at it\') I think its a job Grinder would really like!

Also, are these figures at the wheels or corrected flywheel or what?

If there is a forum agreement on a reasonable conversion between whp, fwhp and hhp then I will up date the table now and keep on top of it if no one else wants to - but if some one else (with HTML abilities!) wants to please do so as its a tedious process to up date without adequate coding skills i.e. using an editor then removing all the unwanted spaces...

No#:	Owner:	Engine by:	Tuned by:	Car:	Spec:	BHP:	Dyno/date:
1	Geff Rance	RE:Worx	RE:Worx	FD3S RX7	13B-RE, street port, HKS T51	571	Dyno Dynamics/RE:Worx/01.12.04
2	Ant Flemming	RX Motors	RE:Worx	FD3S RX7	13B-REW, 1/2 bridge, HKS T04Z	524	Dyno Dynamics/RE:Worx/xx.xx.xx

Personally I think it should be at the wheels, that way everyone is working from the smae base point regardless of the car.

Thats fine Brett, but some people will only have readings at hubs or flywheel - which thus need to be converted to whp using an agreed (best guess) conversion factor - which is where people have different views...

Hi Rich,

Great that you have offered to keep the table up to date. We won\'t get consensus on how to convert to a common measure so given you have volunteered why don\'t you just use the method you think is reasonable and you are happy working with.

So long as the method is clear and the table continues to include the original figures and where/how measured then if others want to interpret differently they have the base data.

Cheers

Kevin

Well done that man :D  Tis long overdue, from my perspective I would have thought ATW and ATH those that wish to have thier numbers posted should indicate the type of RR.

If you want to add me  :

John Yorke, built by me/REWorx, Tuned by REWorx, Car FD3S, engine 13B-RE, street port TO4 hi-bred, 419ATW@1.05bar, date: Dyno-dynamics/REWorx 27.05.05, corrected FWHP 495.9.

Quote from: 20B_boybut if some one else (with HTML abilities!) wants to please do so as its a tedious process to up date without adequate coding skills i.e. using an editor then removing all the unwanted spaces...

Excel can export to web tables can\'t it...? Is there an Office expert in the house?

Its not the html thats a problem - its the way v-bulletin displays it whn u put in a thread - I tihnk?

Good point,  I only said RWHP \'cos it seems to be the best way of getting past the b*ll**** :D

 Hmmm we need a V bulletin expert me thinks.

 Out of interest is there Dummies book for V bulletin?

WGT 13B, T04 400BHP Now dead. More to come!!!!!!!!!

i rolling road mine @ 293  (wheels) 0.9bar
at reworx yesterday
was very happy ;-)
1992 fd  silver j plate

Never did put mine up.
13.10.05
317@ the rear wheels
@REworx
Mapped by Max
Jay

Is it possible to get my figures on the Dyno chart please... :D  :D

why does no one want to edit the chart,
its over a year ago that it was last done, :confused:  :confused:

stock FD with exhaust & induction, running 0.8 bar boost 265FBHP cant remember other figures!!! run at westec performance in newport
Jono

457 rwhp thanks to Max and Geff

:Santa  :Santa Who\'s a big boy now then. Nice one mate.  :god

Have you tried my fun fun fun post you will enjoy it.

Well done mate, that is good power.

Still on the T04R?

No freddy, not T04R anymore.

Thats half the news then! What turbo is it Rich/CJR?

 :)

Nice one Chris :mmmm What revs till you get the \'hit\' or is it progressive

4500rpm full boost. Should be a bit progressive.

Finally got me rex mapped and tuned by the RE:Worx boys. As you can see she made 271rwhp (330fwhp) and 255lbs of tourque  :mmmm (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/will2j/dynosheet.jpg)
Going back soon for decat, 850cc injectors, fuel pump and plugs & leads. Hoping for 300+ from that lot and then I\'ll have to go for a new intercooler to get my 350bhp goal.

Maxd out the fuel pump in the end couldnt go any further.
Thanks to Max,Geoff and Chris @ REWORX  :evillaugh
Roll on RSIII ohhh yeaaahhhhhhhhhh

Nice one mate  :D

Awesome result my good man  :3gears-lh

Hey, can someone put my details up ?  I have just got full membership, still waiting for activation.

Owner - Simon H
Tuned by - RE Worx
13b FD3S Twin Turbo
290.3 RWHP at RE Worx
February 2006

HAHA you will be lucky that table hasnt been updated in TWO years!!!!
Dont think any of the mods know how to do it lol

I think it\'s time to start a new thread with a nice new table, I\'m willing to keep the table updated but I cannot edit the table 15 minutes (or whatever it is) after posting.

I was updating the 3rd Gen stock twins 1/4 mile times (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17692) but I had to stop for the same reason.

Unless a Mod can make me a Moderator for single threads?

Calling all Mods - is that possible?

Quote from: BlitzBoyHAHA you will be lucky that table hasnt been updated in TWO years!!!!
Dont think any of the mods know how to do it lol

Not quite right - we know how to do it but it\'s hell to maintain the inline HTML.  Takes a huge amount of time to just move an entry around.

It\'d probably be simpler to write something in code and run it of a database than edit the html each time!!!  My PHP\'s up to the task but I don\'t have the time.

A simple option would be to whack it all into a spreadsheet (e.g. excel) and then create an image from it and put that up.  Simple and quick.  Same with the 1/4 mile table.

Thoughts?

Quote from: chrisBoidI think it\'s time to start a new thread with a nice new table, I\'m willing to keep the table updated but I cannot edit the table 15 minutes (or whatever it is) after posting.

I was updating the 3rd Gen stock twins 1/4 mile times (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17692) but I had to stop for the same reason.

Unless a Mod can make me a Moderator for single threads?

Calling all Mods - is that possible?

That\'d be an Admin function not ul lowly Mods.  99.99% certain it\'s not possible in the BB software though as it was didcussed for the Members Rides section...

Quote from: iaintA simple option would be to whack it all into a spreadsheet (e.g. excel) and then create an image from it and put that up.  Simple and quick.  Same with the 1/4 mile table.

Thoughts?

Good idea
I can create the Spreadsheet and a mod can put that in place instead of what we have at the mo., what do you think

Quote from: BlitzBoyGood idea
I can create the Spreadsheet and a mod can put that in place instead of what we have at the mo., what do you think

Lets doooooo it.

We can take suggestions to improve the process as we go.  You create, I\'ll do the mod bit.

Cooool , Im half way updating the spreadsheet already, im on page 9 of this thread with the figures , should be finished tomorrow

Nice one boys. :Ladys-man

Good one BB, long time over due. :)

Good one, just in time for my new numbers!

here it is completed , Iain can you do the honours and paste it and replace the first page. cheers

Ok we have 45 Entries, this the limit as anymore I cannot post a larger image, therefore any new Entries which have higher dyno readings then last place will knock last place out of the league.
Only One entry per Person! All new submissions MUST be accompanied by a DYNO chart from NOW ON

Cheers Boys and Girls

mine was 296 at the wheels, but lost pips dyno chart... :2Rolleyes

ahhh rules are rules sorry Don :(

Good stuff BB...top man

Its good to be in top ten....hehe.. :Talking1  :yes

Quote from: BlitzBoyahhh rules are rules sorry Don :(

No worries mate, i have three dyno charts for it somewhere, if i ever clear the skip that is the spare bedroom i will post them  :)

Great work, this should stir up some bhp envy :)

Quote from: DonatoNo worries mate, i have three dyno charts for it somewhere, if i ever clear the skip that is the spare bedroom i will post them  :)

I\'ll have to dig out my 293.1 from summer too!

Now that this is coming together what do you think to starting this updated info as a new thread and closing the old outdated thread.??????? :xconfused

Quote from: WarthogNow that this is coming together what do you think to starting this updated info as a new thread and closing the old outdated thread.??????? :xconfused

What we should have is a locked thread with the official results in it and keep this thread for the posting of Dyno sheets and discussion.

I\'ll sort it at some point today.

Good Idea Iain I\'ll go with that

And done!

Discussion and dyno sheets in here.  Other thread locked to keep it tidy :)

BB - if you mail updated images to my MRC address I\'ll do the updates as and when you have them ready.

Iain

Result. :Ladys-man

:Thumbs-up Cool will do Iain.

Looks like the next contender for the top ten will need at least 400 at the wheels/hubs to make the top ten  :chat

Get in there, number 31! lololol
I\'d like to see my car hit 274.1 hp now, what with it being distributed among about 30 other FD\'s!! oops.
Well glad this has finally been updated, it\'s the kind of thing that should keep some friendly competition going all year round! Fingers crossed I can jump up the table a little with my next one... watch this space.

:)

Look forward to it dandan :)

Remember its all Pub talk!!! I hope people dont get an*l with the results, and no more fighting about hub v wheel HP figures, no Flywheel results will get published only wheel/hub results. I think everyone is intelligent enough to realise (Dyna-Pack)Hub dynos will read higher then (Dyno-Dynamics)Wheel dynos. Thats what the extra column is for showing what dyno has been used

27th... cool :p

Adam

Quote from: BlitzBoyI think everyone is intelligent enough to realise (Dyna-Pack)Hub dynos will read higher then (Dyno-Dynamics)Wheel dynos. Thats what the extra column is for showing what dyno has been used

I\'m not, please explain.  I don\'t even know the difference, I though all RR\'s were wheel recorders...

How about having a column to state what boost the run was at?  :Thumbs-up

Nice to see my twins in 10th place flying the flag in the face of all the singles. :InLove

Sorry, chaps think you will find some of those figures are out of date, \'spose those that wish to update will have to let you know, me, I cant wait till Saturday :wiggle

Wouldn\'t it be better to just attach the excel file to the other thread. If anybody hasn\'t got excel (like me) can use open office calc to open it for free

http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.1/

or open it with ms\'s viewer :

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c8378bf4-996c-4569-b547-75edbd03aaf0&DisplayLang=en

Should help keep the file size down :)

Shaun

Just out of interest,  whats the best power on pump gas?

Well I know the top 2 were on race gas as for below that not to sure but I will be corrected if I am wrong CJR was pump and BB was as well afaik, I was /will be as well :yes

Best Power on Pump Gas is CJR.
No point having a column for the boost levels , cos 1 turbo flow at one BAR would be different to the flow rate of another turbo at 1 BAR.
Its all about PUB talk figures guys lol

I think we will just keep the table as an image so everyone can view even if there are in an internet cafe.

If the figures are out of date is up to the individual to post there new Dyno chart.

Strange days there is a discussion near the beginning of this thread the difference between hub and wheel dynos

My run was on pump gas Shell. :wiggle

Mine was all done on pump gas at 1.1bar with WI... the injectors ran out of puff just below 7500rpm so could not go any further so may be bigger injectors and up that boost to 1.4 to see what she can do....but its good as it is... :cool

BlitzBoy - I think boost should be included on the dyno table cos you list the turbo used so people are aware of how big/small the turbo is and how much air it can flow. If someone tells me they are running 500bhp atw with a T88-34D my next question would be, " what boost was that run at?"

Laeeq - i think you should defo uprate your injectors. with that extra bit of boost a reckon you\'d get close to 500atw  :Giggle

I got 252.8bhp at the hugs at WGT. Pip ran out of time but was still getting 86% duty on the injectors. He recommended i upgrade and go for colder plugs when i want more power. Still, it\'s not bad for my first ever tuning session.

Any chance this can be put on the table (Worked out at 298.3bhp at the fly....roughly! :p)

laeeq what injectors are you running?

Dre I will include a boost column for the next round of updates with the known values

nikp I will need you to post your dyno sheet on this thread for you to be included on the table these are the new rules, flywheel figures will not be recorded, only hub or wheel figures

Cheers

BB-- i dont have a clue what size they are? think may be Max or Jay know better...but was told they were uprated, also running on cold, 10.5 and 11 irridium plugs and 4" straight through pipe so probably that may also hove some thing to do with high figures....

Righty ho, thats understandable.

Here we go:

nice one Nik I will add you in the next round of updates, what boost was that run at?

About 0.85 - but went a bit wobbly by the time it got onto the second turbo. Will a boost controller help smooth it out?

I think your fine that wobble is just the second turbo coming online

Quote from: nikpAbout 0.85 - but went a bit wobbly by the time it got onto the second turbo. Will a boost controller help smooth it out?

Looks like a typical stock port boost curve :D  good numbers though.

Dont know if this will help, looking down the list:
No12 - I think Max is running 400+ @1+bar
No20 - Tim is QUITE a bit more :mmmm
No22 - Me - that engine is sitting in a garage so delete it please
No 35 - Robbie is running considerably more now after a re-build + re-map
No40 - I know Jay is now single, so not sure if this is relivent

John these figures on table are figures of History of Dyno runs,if people are running more power then its up to them to post up new dyno charts.

I know you are going to the Dyno on Sat John with your new configuration so Im looking forward to your new figures and dyno chart next week :)

John,

i thought you were selling the yellow beast?,  so whats this new configeration?,  are you after more power?

regards

Tony

I see the list as a kind of history of high power rx\'s, so if you hit the top spot and nobody beats it, even when the car is long gone you can say \'i had the most powerful rx in town\'.

My car is dead and buried but I would like the entry to stay in the list until I get a new one with more power, then it can be deleted, i think one entry per person should be a rule too.

yep one entry per person is in place.
Cmon John spill the beans on your new spec?

Hmmm, not sure about this one-per-person... suppose I -had- bought an FC shed with Grinder and done something with it, I\'d want an entry for both cars!

In fact it\'s quite feasible Tim could have quickest FC and quickest 8, come to think of it...

Quote from: BlitzBoyyep one entry per person is in place.
Cmon John spill the beans on your new spec?

All will be revieled :mmmm - not so much out and out power more to the point of USABLE power. ATM my 1.05 peak boost is at around 5k so, is a bit laggy till it gets going so, reducing the exhaust housing and increasing the the compressor to \'hopefully\' be able to introduce a bit more boost a bit earlier, will let you know over the weekend if the calculations match the application, hopefully I will be able to overlay before and after.

Ant - wot you looking for a \'propper\' motor then  :evillaugh

ooooh   cheeky,      i am a die hard 2nd gen boy, this is my 3rd,  i did try the FD and loved it but too common now.    yours is very nice but out of my price range unless you want to part ex it for a proper car! :spank

Zevans
I doubt if an 8 will make the dyno chart anyway with out changing it to a Proper 13B turbo lol :rollin Jokin

DYNO DAY @ THOR-RACING SATURDAY 8TH APRIL 2006

PLEASE CHECK THE MEETINGS SECTION TO GET INVOLVED.

GURJ  :Giggle

Quote from: gsb876DYNO DAY @ THOR-RACING SATURDAY 8TH APRIL 2006

PLEASE CHECK THE MEETINGS SECTION TO GET INVOLVED.

GURJ  :Giggle

Good to see that the table will be updated regularly with more new entries on Saturday.... :Talking1  

Looking forward to your figures Gurj my man....

Ohhh Im 2nd - cool. (and 14th!) Cant complain!

Please remember that Hub power isnt the same as rear wheel power, the transmission loss will me smaller on a car dynoed at the hubs.

QuotePlease remember that Hub power isnt the same as rear wheel power, the transmission loss will me smaller on a car dynoed at the hubs.

How\'s that!? Perhaps i need someone to explain more? but how can you have more losses at the hub, than from the wheel which is about 25cm away, and goes through no mechanical parts that will need to frictional losses!?  :xconfused

somebody tell him,  i have to go for a shower!

Ok, i have done a quick trip through the internet, and have identified that there is tyre resistance that adds another factor into the equation. Plus there are other unknowns that can occur, including tyre slippage.

i\'m back and clean now......

basically the more the engine has to turn before the reading is taken the more power is used up before it gets to the dyno.   it takes energy to turn componants, the more you have to turn the more power is taken.  Most people will quote the figure that the dyno produces (a.t.wheels or a.t.hubs) as there doesnt seem to be an accurate figure that the drive train uses (18% seems favorite for wheel power).

If you had a 50 ft long propshaft and 4 ft wheels you would see a much bigger drop in power than if you could attach the dyno to the back of the gearbox.

BB - When you do your next round of editing. Details for position\'s 7 and 8 needs to be changed over.

 :)

Oh good spot my mistake Freddy.

Maybe I wont need to swap as John will be hitting the dyno tmoz and might pull bigger figures

Bumpety Bump...

231.6 rwhp @ 6k rpm & 285.6 lbft @ 5030rpm - WGT Dynapack 10/03/2006

Stock Twins
Stock Boost
Stock ECU
HKS BOV
HKS Shrooms
Knightsports zorts with Metalik Superflow CAT

:)

Rixio

need to see a dyno sheet for all new entries Rixio

Quote from: BlitzBoyZevans
I doubt if an 8 will make the dyno chart anyway with out changing it to a Proper 13B turbo lol :rollin Jokin

Bolting on a Greddy seems to have done the job for Tim!

In the quarter mile thread a bit like this one I was top for a while... OK, so I had the ONLY entry, but I was still class leader. :D

Quote from: BlitzBoyneed to see a dyno sheet for all new entries Rixio

Okidokie

Will have to take pic cos dont have a scanner :Thumbs-up

Um guess there\'s a chart going on somewhere but here\'s my dyno sheet anyway.. this is mapped on 95octane running 98octane with 1.1bar of boost no WI or charge cooler or silly shenanigans. Once i\'ve finished my work hoping for another 20rwhp and the girls to strip off and collapse at the roadside worshipping the car. Although will be happy with just getting it running again :)

I\'ll now go read up on the rules and find out this is a thread of coronation street or something.

Edit: HP in chart is ATW.

Are you running standard twins?, the chart is a sticky on its own in the same section as this thread

Hi yep, stock twins not hybrid nor clipped, no porting, no WI. Next re-map and run should be in May and hoping for about 5% increase once i actually get my act together, which means i should be outside right now :)

Cheers.

ok we have two new entries so far, anymore dyno sheets? I will be updating on Wednesday

Quote from: BlitzBoyok we have two new entries so far, anymore dyno sheets? I will be updating on Wednesday

Mine wont be till next week, run out of time last saturday :o

Quote from: BlitzBoyok we have two new entries so far, anymore dyno sheets? I will be updating on Wednesday

Wait for me!!  :wave

I will have a dyno sheet on Thursday when I come back from Reworx.

Martin.

ok will do

You can have my old figures running a lot more boost now will see a dyno some time this year for new figures
421rwhp@10psi 6500rpm
Kevin

cool figures Kev!!!!

Will be next time when it gets full revs and boost with the water!
Kevin

Sorry forgot to post it but here we are :)

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c340/Rixio_Scon/Photo-0042.jpg)

I\'m not up there with you big boys, but here is my dyno from this morning.  Basically standard apart from a de-cat.

nice any chance you seen my white arch fd and how is it getting on

Heres my one from last year, Now RetroBates car and running about 15-20% more ponies.
Rx7 FC3S Turbo II.

Quote from: John YorkeMine wont be till next week, run out of time last saturday :o

oh john,   the suspense is killing me :spank

Thanks guys will redo the chart tmoz,
Brett your figures of 198 at the wheels isnt enough to get you in last place (45) on the chart, soz bud.
Waiting with baited breath John

Doh, teach me not to check the list first!   Better send gareth out to his local RR and get that little over sight sorted.... :rollin

WGT yesterday (16/03/06)
Type R Import (93) Std engine & twin sequentials
HKS Induction, Hard intercooler pipes, down pipe, dragon mid pipe & Blitz back box, air pump removed.
282BHP ATFly
240BHP ATHubs
Ran out of fuel at the top end (injectors maxing out) so max boost was turned down to approx 7.5psi
Pip commented on how strong my mid range was (which was nice)
Now needing uprated pump & 2x 1640cc secondaries (anyone)?
Andy

andy did u see my car and how is the progress going   :)

Quote from: antnicukoh john,   the suspense is killing me :spank

Nothing like a bit of suspenders :rollin  Looks like it will be a week or more yet, cant get down there till the end of the month :(

Jurgen,
I spotted it and had a good nosey around, looked like there was about £3k of stuff in the boot. should really fly when that lots bolted on. nice bonnet by the way.
Andy

updated 4 people have been dropped off the chart , the bar is being slowly raised.
235 at the wheels/hubs is the lowest figure now.

Great stuff dude. If you get chance could you put down \'ant cunningham\' as the engine builder for mine. Thanks..

Chart updated in main section - BB you can delete you rpost now to save space!

Dyno session on Thursday for mine.  Hoping for a top 20 spot.  Top 15 is deffo out though.

Ack 3.4 BHP Out! Even so that would still only make me btm :(

Wait till the new one is dyno\'d :evillaugh

Mapped at re:worx by Max.  Max power was at 0.9bar.  We were aiming for 1bar but it wouldn\'t hold that on the dyno.  I\'ll make do until I go single :)

Interestingly the number is only 1bhp more than previously (and I\'ve added a lot to the car since then).  According to Geff this is due to a \'mistake\' in the way they were getting the intake temperature - post intercooler rather than at the air filters.  This meant that the dyno software applied a power correction to the figure boosting it artificially (Geff estimated that it\'s by as much as 20% depending on how effective the intercooler is).  Hopefully Re:Worx won;t mind me saying this and it really only applied to power figures where the intercooling was not effective!

As I was running very high intake temps before with the stock intercooler the correction was large!

I\'m happy and, even on low boost the pickup is more than scary.  Not had a chance to play in the dry yet so hopefully the weekend will see some decent weather and I can get to know the car again!

Hats off to Clive/Shy for the fabrication and fitting of the intercooler/rad - seems to really do the biz and looks cooool. :)

Iain

Excellent Iain, at least the car is running far safer now. Get some pics up too in the 3rd gen section. :)

Nice usable power band Iain looks like peak torque is at peak boost, nice combination, would imagine for trackwork you have the perfect combo :cool

Made 368.4 running 0.94 Bar @ Re:worx  on Thursday.

will attach dyno sheet when i get home, as i\'m at work at present

Made 301.7 at the wheels on saturday at pips after a few hickups on my front. Needed racing plugs for the increase in boost :p to stop it from misfiring at the top end. Time to save for a big single because the stock turbos won\'t blow any more !

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/shaunwil/dynomap.jpg)

Shaun

Nice one Shaun get saving for the big blower now.
Kevin

Looking at saving up for a GT35r Kit from pip, he said i\'d love it :p Who am i to argue :p

Shaun

Oh my god :eek: Just had the drive of my life home from REworx 128miles in 95mins which included the M25 from the A3 round to the A13 car still not fully mapped but lets just say for the moment ........... 401ATW @ .85bar  :D need to do a few more adjustments to be able to run the desired 1.2bar turbo is now spooling up to full boost from approx 5k with VERY good numbers from 3.5k peek power is dead on 8k, now thats an engine :D
Will post up final graph as soon as the mapping is compleate.

Must be well chuffed John, god makes me miss my FD more.

Quote from: John YorkeOh my god :eek: Just had the drive of my life home from REworx 128miles in 95mins which included the M25 from the A3 round to the A13 car still not fully mapped but lets just say for the moment ........... 401ATW @ .85bar  :D need to do a few more adjustments to be able to run the desired 1.2bar turbo is now spooling up to full boost from approx 5k with VERY good numbers from 3.5k peek power is dead on 8k, now thats an engine :D
Will post up final graph as soon as the mapping is compleate.

Looking good John!!! When you getting the final mappimg done?

Nice one John... now you just need to get the engine revving to 10k and it\'ll be serious :)

sounds good john,   so whats changed....  come on spill it........... please

Quote from: antnicuksounds good john,   so whats changed....  come on spill it........... please

Wellll :D My old turbo made lots of power, but I could read war and peace waiting for the spool, pretty good for the strip not so good for track / fast street. So, it was a case of getting the ol girl to wake up a bit sooner and get enough air to pass through the compressor, after 2 attempts I think we are just about there. Basicly it now has a different compressor wheel [blade angle] and a smaller exhaust housing, dont think I should be putting out the sizes just yet as this was after some exhaustive testing and I would have to kill you once I had told you :eek: Biggest problem I have now is to get a better flowing backbox I think this is where my restriction is, so it will be down to trying a few out to get A] a good flow and B] be quiet enough so I dont have to wear cans whilst driving it, the power stearing mod seems to add about 10+bhp..........cheap mod that :2Confused
Oh and it red lines @ 9k, worth all effort that went into the build.

Well here is what my all motor bridge can do. This was in USA before I moved to Germany in October.

Series 4 6 port engine
Holley 600
RB 6 port intake
Home made long primary header OPEN HEADER (extractor)
Full Brige Port
Half tank of regular pump gas
9.5:1 rotors

good figures for an NA, but I guess the 225BHP is at the flywheel and not at the wheels, can you confirm?

Wrong. That is at the wheels. I\'m proud of that. Next one I am shooting for 290.

Nice numbers. Fair to say Dynojets are more generous than some other dynos tho.

Well actually the numbers come pretty close. The car weighed in @ 2350 lbs and it ran a 13.04 @ 106mph on street tires. With a couple of calculators I came up with similar HP numbers.

2350lbs - whts it in out of interest? thats not much over 1050kg\'s...you have a nice old rotor?

Quote from: ArmyOfOneWell here is what my all motor bridge can do. This was in USA before I moved to Germany in October.

Series 4 6 port engine
Holley 600
RB 6 port intake
Home made long primary header OPEN HEADER (extractor)
Full Brige Port
Half tank of regular pump gas
9.5:1 rotors

good stuff mate. do you have nay pics of the car with engine bay?
did you do all the work yourself?

Can I be added to the chart :) Pip recently tuned the newly rebuilt engine at WGT,it was a tough decision whether to go single or stick with the twins as I love the response of the twins.Decided to go single with an HKS to4e,not the latest and greatest I know but it\'s a super little blower with good responce and great torque,just what I was after.

Anyway was really pleased with 340bhp@hubs on the new fast road ported engine.That figure was achieved with 0.8bar.

anymore to be added?? next update will be next Tuesday

There\'l be a few more after the Thor dyno day end of april for sure hoping to see a decent rise myself.
Kevin

Oh yes, can\'t wait :)

Shaun

Quote from: 20B_boy2350lbs - whts it in out of interest? thats not much over 1050kg\'s...you have a nice old rotor?

It was in a 1984 RX-7, GSL-SE Transmission and Differential with Mickey Thompson street tires.

I did all the porting myself and got a lot of help from Judge Ito on the nopistons.com forum on the tuning. Now its in a 1977 Opel Kadett C Limousine. Much lighter car but still has the weak differential so I can\'t push my luck.

Had my old Turbo II dyno\'d at ReWorx on Monday 10th.  

The new turbo is working really well.  I am 6 BHP down on the last turbo.  Had 384 at the wheels and now got 378 atw but i have 110 bhp more at 4000 rpm.  and more torque at 3500 rpm than i had with the old turbo at 5000 rpm.  320 lb max torque now and it pulls through 7500 rpm.  (remember its a FC not FD)

I have compared my graph to some of the 450 plus bhp monsters and i had 100 hp more at 4000 rpm!  The power for a street car is superb and it was great on the track at Brands.  

The brakes wernt unfortunately but then the gravel stops you well!!! :2eek

Thanks to the ReWorx crew,  now lets see some good figures from the tripple! :Hammer  

I will post the graph when i can be arsed to wire up the scanner

Oh,  by the way, that was without NOS,  I wasnt brave enough, any one wanna buy a complete NOS kit, with all the extras and safety bits you will need, progessive controller, purge kit and full bottle etc!

the graph,

the little flat spot at 4500 rpm is the water injection coming in,  i will adjust it so it comes in a little later i think.

Great figures there mate...well done..

Its very similar to mine up until the 5k as mine keeps going up but still very good results and sound engine you got there.

Have you done all the engine work yourself???? very impresive...

damn fine graph you got there and some impressive figures
nice work

Cheers gents,
i ported and built the engine myself and its still the original TII block with the series 4 low comp rotors.  The FD block is a little better for power and big porting is easier due to the lower inlet manifold size.  When its due a rebuild i will do more porting as i now know more and have lots more metal to remove.

Ant,
Be good to see BHP v\'s boooooost :)  what is the spec of yer new turbo, you going to grace us with your presants @ the Essex meet?????

i dont have a boost map but you can have a look at the computer while you are there if your interested.
The turbo is Eds old GT35/40 (non roller bearing) so nothing special but good for the job, its nice having very little lag for a change,  i only used 3rd gear around brands, i didnt need 2nd which was nice.

When is the essex meet, if its the 20th, i\'m working a late shift which is a shame.

Will have a gander on the 25th :)  Shame you cant make the 20th think the idea is for an 8pm start.

Just realised I haven\'t put mine in here:

363.5@flywheel, 303@wheels (http://www.drexel.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/RX7Dyno.jpg)

Spec:

DIY rebuild 4k ago
Street Ported (ported by RX-Motors)
Greddy Front-mount intercooler
Greddy hard pipes
Greddy Intake elbow
Greddy Downpipe
Greddy Profec B boost controller @ 0.8 bar
Greddy pulley kit (air pump removed)
HKS Mushroom induction x2
HKS Turbo Timer
NGK R742-10 Plugs all round
Apexi Power FC
Blitz BOV
Uprated fuel pump
Kakimoto full decat

Next stage is bigger secondaries so I can run more boost, and water injection too.

Hoping to get as close as possible to 400 with the twins.

323 @ fly ,about 275 ath

WGT 4/5/06

Spec

Stock engine
Stock Twins
RE-A intake
RE-A catback
Knight sport highflow cat
9\'s all round
HKS twin power
Trust SMIC

The stealth made 325.5 at the hubs at Thor dyno day with a smidge under 1 bar of boost.

Spec.

NRW Polished side ported engine
Ported and flowed upper/lower inlet manifold
Non-seq twin turbos
Custom V mount
1600cc secondaries with KG Parts rail
Aeromotive FPR
Supra TT fuel pump
NRW Water Injection
Apexi Power FC
Mapped by NRW

Will post dyno graph once I\'ve scanned it in. Would of run 1.2bar of boost, but didn\'t want to push my luck with going to the ring the following weekend :Nono!

Paul :Viking

440atw @ 1.05bar :cool ................and still counting anyone want to hazzard 1.2bar??????

Quote from: John Yorke440atw @ 1.05bar :cool ................and still counting anyone want to hazzard 1.2bar??????

442?   :evillaugh

When\'s the mapping happening John?

Quote from: iaint442?   :evillaugh

When\'s the mapping happening John?

Soon as the \'other\' bits arrive hoping the end of next week [cant you make it 443 :Hammer ] \'Only pub talk anyway\' .......... and I LOVE IT :p

well done john,  huge power for that boost.......

460 at 1.2 should be easy now

Do I make the cut. 310 atw\'s on stock twins. 50k-ish on original engine and turbo\'s. That\'s at 1 bar boost.

These engines seem to make good power even with medium levels of compression. Never fails to amaze me !

344atw
standard eng with gt35r
Tuned by Max
@reworx
20.05.06
Cheers Jay

1.15bar, 465.2atw , approx 558fwhp, when I have worked out how I will post my graph with an overlay of my orginal turbo and my new set up, makes interesting viewing :)

well done john...you got the same tubby as me? MP?

Quote from: Ed_RX7well done john...you got the same tubby as me? MP?

Dont think so Ed, mine is a T4 Hibred, spent loads of time changing / testing different combinations hense the 120+ dyno runs :eek  trying to get good spoolup V\'s power delivery, just about right now, start saving for a gearbox conversion next, never ends does it?

Quote from: John Yorkestart saving for a gearbox conversion next, never ends does it?

Gearbox conversion???

And you\'re right, it\'s never ending :)

Nice one John, the DIY worked then. ( Plumbers mate  :rollin  :rollin )

Quote from: iaintGearbox conversion???

And you\'re right, it\'s never ending :)

Working on it, need to find one that will take the extra torque, looking for something alternative to a dogbox.......more road frendly, watch this space ;)

Quote from: WarthogNice one John, the DIY worked then. ( Plumbers mate  :rollin  :rollin )

Well you know what it is like MATE, you iether have it or you dont :cool

Nice one John, good powerrrrrr!!!

ok cool john thought you had a t70...or maybe your front wheel is 70....either way loverly power....hmmmmmmgets me thinking about an re engine now

Quote from: Ed_RX7ok cool john thought you had a t70...

Theres a hint of T70 about it Ed.

The saga has ended! Car has been dyno\'d at reworx and it has made 315 at the wheels.  Not huge figues but its more than enough to start with, i now have everything setup to move to a bigger turbo when needs be.

Thanks to all that helped, see you at RS3.

Quote from: 20B_boyTheres a hint of T70 about it Ed.

If I told you the spec I would have to kill you :spank

Thanks to Gary you can now see my graph, the dark lines are the current torque and RWHP the lighter ones are from my old turbo, comments please :p

John.. That looks really good. I cant imagine the differance that you would feel in that.

What blower is it out of interest. Im amazed at how linear the HP line is. Its almost on a 1:1 scale. Its hard to see on the pic where the tq and hp cross but i presume its on a auto scale. Is there any chance of a larger copy for reasearch porpose.....

Scott

its a bit small,  what is the torque figure john?

Scott, its a hi-bred T4, I tried posting a bigger version but it would not let me, give us your e-mail I will forward you a bigger version. The difference is fantastic, the expected sweet spot for the turbo is about 1.4 -1.6bar this is at 1.15 :eek

Ant : Approx 330ftlbs ATW dont know if you do the 18% to get fly my guess is you do so that would make it about 390ftlbs

...

Scott

Went up to WGT on Saterday for a map clean up. Did several runs with the following results.

Warm up run - 331ath on 0.58bar @ 6000
Clean up run - 363ath on 0.59bar @ 7000
                  - 383ath on 0.75bar @ 7300
                  - 394ath on 0.87bar @ 7300
                  - 403ath 0n 0.89bar @ 7300

I had to increase fuel slightly at 6500 to level the torque curve a bit, as it was still climbing. We have not found where the engine is making it\'s peak power, as the steel seals limits how high we can rev the engine. As the graph shows, power and torque are still climbing above 7300rpm!
I will put a few more miles on the engine, and might have a look at running over a bar.

As it stands at the moment, i have achieved my goal of building an FC to produce 400BHP per tonne. The car weighs in at just under 1200kg, with engine power at 475atw.

Saw several sevens in the workshop, Marks and Doms included. After mapping went to Oulten park to support Stacey Vickers and Dave Nixon. They won all their races, with Stacey busting a gearbox, giving us under 15 minutes to change it as well as refuel and re-tyre!

A good weekend, and many thanks to Pip.

John

The two set of thin lines on the graph are for the old 13BT engine running 0.75bar. The difference can be seen in how linear the power is now in comparison.

John

Hi John!

Long time eh?

Nice power readings there mate! Well we\'ll have to see what I can get from mine with a bigger FMIC and a T70 turbo!

Good to hear, give me a shout if you need a hand with anything, as i am now only down the road.

John

Nice linear line, Torque build is especially encouraging. Fantastic to see an FC on the edge of the 500s. Looks like attention to the upper rev range has paid off. Looking good

Quote from: ShyneNice linear line, Torque build is especially encouraging. Fantastic to see an FC on the edge of the 500s. Looks like attention to the upper rev range has paid off. Looking good

cough cough,   FC,  not quite  :Nono!

Well done, excellent results, especially at that boost. :god

I think you need to explain your full spec to some though:D

Well it is an FC really, not sure what block you are running these days though John? I\'m looking over the last lot of pics and it looks like a 13b RE ? Is this right? nice job anyway!

Cheers for the offer of a hand, the car is down with Tim though and will be for some time!

Black FC right? (well, shell to the eye at least!)

So what do we have under the skin? be interested to hear about with my new project being collected in a few weeks!:Santa

what is the diff between hubs and wheels I always forget. but hey 497atw ain\'t to bad:)

1.2bar???????????????????? 1.3 /4 is needed:King  recon maybe 8% between ATW AND ATH fair or not? bit like the tanning machines they all have different levels:cheers

497 @ wheels = 581.5 @ Flywheel :yes

Quote from: gsb876497 @ wheels = 581.5 @ Flywheel :yes

Good numbers those not bad for a T11 with a wee tubbie.
What does 403 ATH equate to FWHP?

Quote from: John YorkeGood numbers those not bad for a T11 with a wee tubbie.
What does 403 ATH equate to FWHP?

403 @ hubs = 471.5 @ flywheel.

Working these out with the info i got from Thor Engineering after lengthy discussions when we had the MRC dyno day there :Party

Quote from: cjrwhat is the diff between hubs and wheels I always forget. but hey 497atw ain\'t to bad:)

But we seem to have the same problem of breaking things:chat

John

what have you broken this time. And i didn\'t break it just twisted the gearbox so much could not get gears:)  V good figures you gonna rev it higher?

Personally I reckon Hub to flywheel loss is only about 50bhp in my experience ;)

Quote from: A7NTYPersonally I reckon Hub to flywheel loss is only about 50bhp in my experience ;)

Make that a bit high, I did back to back tests a few years ago using CPL dyno dynamics RR and Abbeys hub dyno, same day about 3 hours inbetween tests. 317 RWHP and 348 hub HP so about 10% is a fair guess.

ant is talking about flywheel i beleive

Hubs to flywheel is about 17% as per Thors estimation on rwd cars :Thumbs-up

Quote from: gsb876Hubs to flywheel is about 17% as per Thors estimation on rwd cars :Thumbs-up

17% is the norm for Dyno Dynamics wheel dyno, I should have read Ants post correctly the 50hp differential between hubs and FWHP is pretty close, mind I dont know if that is accross the board.

The thing with dynos - they give you an indication of what power your engine has, the best thing to do is keep using the same machine be it hub or wheel to ensure continuity.

Where it gets confusing is when you start comparing the 2 and trying to work out the differences:2Confused

Quote from: John Yorke17% is the norm for Dyno Dynamics wheel dyno, I should have read Ants post correctly the 50hp differential between hubs and FWHP is pretty close, mind I dont know if that is accross the board.

The thing with dynos - they give you an indication of what power your engine has, the best thing to do is keep using the same machine be it hub or wheel to ensure continuity.

Where it gets confusing is when you start comparing the 2 and trying to work out the differences:2Confused

Agree with you there John, if you are doing loads of mods then you need to use the same Dyno method to see exactly what your gains are as 2 different ones will show seperate figures for your mods. :)

Quote from: cjrwhat have you broken this time. And i didn\'t break it just twisted the gearbox so much could not get gears:)  V good figures you gonna rev it higher?

Hopefully nothing yet, but i seem to be plagued with upsets and weak parts.Would love to take it higher to see just where it is making peak power and torque, but the seals are a headache.

John

they warping? had that a few times makes it a sod to start:) Would be interesting to see to graph for higher revs so we could compare.

Quote from: cjrthey warping? had that a few times makes it a sod to start:) Would be interesting to see to graph for higher revs so we could compare.

No warped tips, new 3mm steels which will start to chatter if i go any higher. Had ceramics in originally, but one cracked.

John

got a bit bored this evening:) not to bad for a series 5 engine with turbo 1 rotors:evillaugh

Biy of a late spool there ol boy, not run out of injectors yet then?

nah afr\'s about 10 can still lean out loads. and only running 550 primary and 1000 secondry no extra injectors and not massive rail pressure either

and it is only a series 5 engine plus you have seen the size off the little tubby

Hope the drivetrain is now up to it, lots of development work gone into that one  - nice work sir:WaveBye

drivetrain, development and me don\'t go together:)

Chris,
What did you do to get it to rev so well?,
email if its a secret   antnicuk@ntlworld.com

regards
tony

no secert fc plenum is all, and a big port:)

FC plenum?,  didnt you have FD UIM and FC LIM,  are you saying you have gone back to FC UIM?

yep.......

mmmmmmmmmmmmm   interesting!,  is that what was stopping you getting much over 7k?

guess so since that is all i done!

Oh and pump gas and no water. DO NOT try this at home. But hey I wanted to be the first:)

can u add me on please http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29146

remapped by Pip at WGT went from 227 rwhp to 287.5 rwhp (339.2 fwhp),slight boost creep due to exhaust gases with new exhaust system set at .8 bar

Hi Pete,

Nice figures, I should think your really pleased with them.
I\'m new to the forum and I\'ve been looking through the dyno sheets thread, I\'ve looked at a few of WGT\'s dyno sheets can you tell me what\'s going on with the lb/ft torque side of the sheet is the trace for something else?

I see JamesFD3 is the same, what\'s going on?
I\'m taking my standard FD to Pip\'s next week for compressions & power run to see how much life is left in it as I\'ve had it 6 years with almost no trouble.

Regards

Brian

Quote from: BribHi Pete,

Nice figures, I should think your really pleased with them.
I\'m new to the forum and I\'ve been looking through the dyno sheets thread, I\'ve looked at a few of WGT\'s dyno sheets can you tell me what\'s going on with the lb/ft torque side of the sheet is the trace for something else?
I see JamesFD3 is the same, what\'s going on?
I\'m taking my standard FD to Pip\'s next week for compressions & power run to see how much life is left in it as I\'ve had it 6 years with almost no trouble.
Regards
Brian

Hi brian yes very pleased more to come when wastegate sorted to remove excess gases and additional injectors fitted. better asking pip about torque graphs too techy for me got 4 printouts all together all i inderstand is bhp !!!!!!!!! ,great bloke.hope compression test is good mine was done in february 8.4 fronts 8.3 rears :D  .fairly new to MRC as well had EVO\'s upto march- good luck

Pete,
 
I\'ve been to WGT this morning so I asked about the torque side of the graph, it\'s at the wheels before correcting for gearing. See below for comparasion
 
Compressions not bad but not good either with 63000 indicated, it would have been better if the rpm\'s had been a bit higher.
 
Front @ 231 rpm      Rear @ 220 rpm
 
6.65                  6.25
6.70                  6.20
6.45                  6.15

201 bhp @5600rpm at hubs approx 237 at flywheel not boosting too well at higher levels starting to tail off above 5600-5700. So room for improvement.

Brian

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Brian
so whats next step for you then ?

Hi Pete,

Try and improve boost on secondary for a start, looking at a rebuild over the winter I suppose.

I\'ll be interested in people\'s comments on the boost on second turbo, constriction from standard air box & exhaust perhaps, but I would have thought second turbo not well. Not that I know anything.

Cheers

Brian

Quote from: peterwoldsBrian
so whats next step for you then ?

What did Pip have to say about it? What was his thoughts?

The boost looks good, the build up on the second though looks slow and lazy. When i first took my FD to pip last year, it first produced 150bhp at the wheels. Then he got it to 200bhp, then finally 226bhp! (More or less standard bhp at wheels)

Pip, said constriction of standard air box & exhaust maybe running out of air, I\'ve got a uk back box on.

Like you say it doesn\'t look like it\'s as happy as it could be, hence not making any power over 5600 rpm, still it\'s not all bad news, when it\'s sorted it should go a bit better.

Brian

My dyno results from today - a little bit lower than expected, but haven\'t really started on the engine yet.
 
Mods (performance affecting) to date are Racing Beat Exhaust
HKS Mushroom
Blitz Acces Chipped ECU (tuned for exhaust and intake)
 
First pic is HP against boost curve, 2nd pic is HP against Torque
 
(Flywheel figures)
 
I will post updated dyno sheets once the new turbo, injectors, eManage and boost controller are on.

218 at the fly - so you are looking at a 16 bhp increase over stock

i would have thought that the exhaust and filter would have gained you a lot more

and how come its only boosting at .5/.6 ??? how have you clamped it at that ????

is the exhaust fully decatted - you should be getting .8 if it is ??

might have to get mine on the rollers before i start playing :D

Stu

Exhaust will make a gain, the heat soak from the induction kit might make it loose power and power will also depend on how good the compression is.

Ant.

Was that done at ReWorx?,  if so, i thought they only gave RWHP fly

just noticed myself on the actual chart at no6...about time to move up a bit...:yes :3gears-rh

Surrey rolling road mate, not me!

Quote from: antnicukWas that done at ReWorx

Quote from: grinder218 at the fly - so you are looking at a 16 bhp increase over stock
 
i would have thought that the exhaust and filter would have gained you a lot more
 
and how come its only boosting at .5/.6 ??? how have you clamped it at that ????
 
is the exhaust fully decatted - you should be getting .8 if it is ??
 
might have to get mine on the rollers before i start playing :D
 
Stu

I think a lot of problems lie with the turbo now - the car was making good boost (about 11-12 PSI), but with the stock ECU it was running lean.  Rotechnicks worked on the boost issue and managed to get it back to stock levels -  8-9 PSI, and I put the aftermarket ECU on to control the creep and correct the fuelling.  The car is reliable now, but has lost some power.  I could put the boost controller on and get back about 50 BHP, but the turbo is leaking oil into the charge now, and I suspect is not long for this world, pushing the boost up is only going to hasten it\'s demise.
 
When the new turbo arrives, I will get that on and then we\'ll see what it can do.  Will run it on spring only to start with, as it\'s a bigger front end anyway it should be similar to what I have now, and that\'s a good place to work from.  Emanage will go on, but only setup to read to start with, and I can then get some baseline figures before going mental with mapping.
 
Can\'t wait for this thing to turn up now !:3gears-rh

Mine was boosting to around 15psi and gave more than that.... must admit I\'m pretty shocked you got 218?

Not too bothered Brett - when the new tubby comes it will definetely be going up.  Just need the old turbo to last until then.

Just been sorting out some silicon hosing, and shiny metal pipe for a modified inlet duct - going to get rid of that hideous double 90 degree bend and just have a single 45 degree in it.

:yes  Thats the way! :D

when will the list be updated 490bhp for me at fly

Found this site today , has some very interesting reading in the technical articles regarding BHP torque and wheel v\'s fly figures

sorry if this has been posted before , didn\'t have time to read 20 pages to check :D

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/default.htm (http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/default.htm)

Mapping session today...

401atw @ 0.6bar(7300rpm)
408atw @ 0.8bar(7300rpm)
420atw @ 0.9bar(7300rpm)

430.5atw @ 0.91bar(7500rpm) 360ftlb @ 7500rpm

I still hav\'nt found peak power or peak torque, as both are still climbing at this RPM although torque is starting to level off.
Will post up graph when scanned.
Cheers,

John

Quote from: 88GT-RMapping session today...
 
401atw @ 0.6bar(7300rpm)
408atw @ 0.8bar(7300rpm)
420atw @ 0.9bar(7300rpm)
 
430.5atw @ 0.91bar(7500rpm) 360ftlb @ 7500rpm
 
I still hav\'nt found peak power or peak torque, as both are still climbing at this RPM although torque is starting to level off.
Will post up graph when scanned.
Cheers,
 
John

Impressive figures John - what do you reckon it will rev to ?

She will rev round to 8, but i would rather do that on another day!! The steel seals are the limiting factor. I reckon the engine is producing peak power between 7800 and 8200. Without increasing the boost, there should be another 20-35atw to be had.

John

Quote from: 88GT-RMapping session today...
 
401atw @ 0.6bar(7300rpm)
408atw @ 0.8bar(7300rpm)
420atw @ 0.9bar(7300rpm)
 
430.5atw @ 0.91bar(7500rpm) 360ftlb @ 7500rpm
 
I still hav\'nt found peak power or peak torque, as both are still climbing at this RPM although torque is starting to level off.
Will post up graph when scanned.
Cheers,
 
John

Great figures John........where did you do the run?

Does the table ever get updated? just noticed my last figures are not included along with quite a few others.

Quote from: John YorkeDoes the table ever get updated? just noticed my last figures are not included along with quite a few others.

my last rex is not included either never mind am sure it will be updated

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n297/Jm-Imports/490bhp.jpg)

nice result sheets Jurgen will post my latest tomorrow

Quote from: peterwoldsnice result sheets Jurgen will post my latest tomorrow

cheers mate am hoping to hit near or over 600bhp when i raise my boost to 1.3 :)

Jurgen your dyno sheet is at the flywheel , do you have the sheet at the wheels/hubs?
As I will be updating the table end of the week

Quote from: BlitzBoyJurgen your dyno sheet is at the flywheel , do you have the sheet at the wheels/hubs?
As I will be updating the table end of the week

413 at wheels mate 1 bar

last weeks sheets from Pip

last weeks results

My figures

nice dave what spec is yours and what boost she running

A old run blitz boy but more up to date than the one thats up. 476rwhp
Kevin

will update on Fridday guys

Quote from: jurgennice dave what spec is yours and what boost she running

Hi Jurgen :)

The engine was built by Carl Hayward and mapped by Pip.  When the engine was rebuilt it had:
New Rotor housings
New side housings (Plates)
Good but used rotors
3mm Apex Seals
Competition Bearings
Race clearanced eccentric shaft
Major extend port
Dowelled

The engine was also balanced at build time

I must say big thanks to both Carl Hayward and Pip for their work which has been spot on.  Helpful & Friendly every time and always a good cup of tea at either workshop :)  Thanks guys!

The turbo is a Turbonetics T60-1 with an .84 hot side a/r and .70 intake mounted on a HKS cast manifold. 550/1600 Injectors managed by a good old Apexi PFC at the moment with a dual SBC handling the boost.  I\'ve also got a V-Mount intercooler setup and a HKS Twin Power Module.

Attached a pic of the engine bay.

I like your car, hopefully mine will look that good one day... (got the same rear bumper - not fitted it yet tho)

Monkey Man can you post up the Hubs figure as the two dyno graphs you have posted are in flywheel figures

Sorry Squire,

I\'m completely retarded....

thats very impressive for a very small 0.86 exhaust housing,   and suprisingly laggy looking at the graph.  125 bhp at 4000rpm,   Nice smooth power though, what boost is that running?

Hey Antnicuk

It\'s running 14.65PSi of boost not going to push it any further than that at the moment.  

Yeah the mid range is a little missing but I compared Jurgen\'s graph to mine and I make a little more power down low same in the middle and just a touch more at the top end.

I\'ve got my solution to improve the midrange already... looks a little like this

I think just about any high power rotary has that little bit missing in middle (unless bridges) but they make up for it at the top.  I bet it feels great on the road, especially with that small amount of boost.

Still amazed you got that much power through a 0.86 housing.  Must have a large turbine wheel.

Can anyone explain Pips graphs,  whats the difference between the yellow and the green reading?
is it 419 at the hubs or 434 at the hubs?

According to Pip it\'s 434 at the hubs and the other graphs show the 503 fly wheel figure.  

Strangely the turbo that came off (HKS T04R .96 A/R) was a lot "slimmer" this turbo is more has less height from flange to centre of turbine wheel but tis fat... so fat we had to notch the chassis leg into an L shape in order to get it to fit and re-profile the suspension mounts.

It does feel nice but it\'s the wrong time of year to be giving it hell :(

Quote from: monkey-fd3sI\'ve got my solution to improve the midrange already... looks a little like this

Is anyone else running a Motec system? I\'d like to install one of them in my car. I\'ve seen other cars run with them and the gain that be had from having such fine control of the fueling and all the other bits and bobs is quite amazing. So long as you can find someone good to set it up that is....

Yes we are using Motec, its awesome!

can it make up for lag and increase the midrange/lag just by tuning?

all these different figures are doing my head in wgt figures blow my mind........not much point putting people on graphs or lists until we can all see what the difference is between pips dyno and reworx dyno. (most commonly used ones) Has anyone or is anyone gonna get their dyno\'s done at both places so that we can all see?
 
just a thought!...hope it makes sense:o
 
I bet someone is gonna throw another dyno reading from an unknown dyno to really cock things up!!!:spank :(

At the Thor dyno day in may there was a couple of cars that been dyno\'d at both Reworx and Pips and the Reworx figures where slightly higher than the hub dyno figures from Pips/Thor when compared. The WGT, Thor figures where very similar but they do use the same type of dyno so this would be expected.
Kevin

Kev the reason the diff between thor , wgt and re:worx figures would be down to reading at the hubs and atw figures do come out pretty close when calc is put in for corrections.
Ross which version software are you using the 3.4 is a real so and so. But 3.3 it great to use, pity we didn\'t realise the nos was not working at the time:)

Quote from: Ed_RX7all these different figures are doing my head in wgt figures blow my mind........not much point putting people on graphs or lists until we can all see what the difference is between pips dyno and reworx dyno. (most commonly used ones) Has anyone or is anyone gonna get their dyno\'s done at both places so that we can all see?
 
just a thought!...hope it makes sense:o
 
I bet someone is gonna throw another dyno reading from an unknown dyno to really cock things up!!!:spank :(

Ed this thread and the table is just a bit of fun at the end of the day, the only figures I will be displaying is "AT THE WHEELS" or "AT THE HUBS" does not matter which Dyno is used , this thread is all PUB TALK and to generate banter

i do have to say it is a tad out off date my figure on the table is from a tubby I sold at least a year ago and have since sold it\'s replacment

Quote from: cjri do have to say it is a tad out off date my figure on the table is from a tubby I sold at least a year ago and have since sold it\'s replacment

I know:)

Without keeping on repeating myself [and yes I know you can not use one example as the be all and end all, but, I think it gives a clear indication] hubs as a rule give something like a 10% higher reading than a Wheel dyno, so if you have a 300atw reading this will be roughly 330ath or 352ish as a f/w reading or as Ross has said the 1/4 terminal is the defining power output. Where is Glen when you need him, he put up somewhere a comparision between horsepower and terminal speeds

What is quite comical is that hub dyno\'s are also giving LOWER readings in some cases than wheel driven dyno\'s ones.
That is what Kev is saying too.
Regards
Carl

Hi all, John - just happened to catch this (so many emails coming in these days!).
 
Some of the online calculators out there are very good - and generally speaking, ET\'s/MPH\'s can be calculated by mathematics of course.
 
To run x mph, with x conditions (Air Temp/Humidity), with x weight, x tyre width/height (traction), x gearbox ratios, x final drive ratio, and of course x hp.  Obviously x ET will change due to traction conditions, and gear selection, etc. etc.  
 
Simply though, you can just look at the Weight with HP to make calcs.
 
You have to be as accurate as possible with weight, don\'t kid yourself - add everything like how much fuel in tank, driver weight, are they standard wheels? Roll cage? etc..
 
Standard Series 8 FD (Type R = 1260kgs which is 2777lbs)
Driver: 75kgs = 165lbs
Fuel: 40 litres = 40kgs = 88lbs    (roughly 1kg per litre)
 
Approx Total: 1375kg = 3030.5lbs
 
This is pretty cool: http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm (http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm)
 
Another: http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm (http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm)
 
http://www.fastcoolcars.com/hp_calculator.htm (http://www.fastcoolcars.com/hp_calculator.htm)
 
This one is very good and goes into the Mathematics of it all:
 
http://www.ajdesigner.com/phphorsepower/horsepower_equation_trap_speed_method_horsepower.php (http://www.ajdesigner.com/phphorsepower/horsepower_equation_trap_speed_method_horsepower.php)
 
There are many more sites out there.
 
Do some quick calcs. based on Ross\' MPH :)

Quote from: Glenn ButcherHi all, John - just happened to catch this (so many emails coming in these days!).
 
Some of the online calculators out there are very good - and generally speaking, ET\'s/MPH\'s can be calculated by mathematics of course.
 
To run x mph, with x conditions (Air Temp/Humidity), with x weight, x tyre width/height (traction), x gearbox ratios, x final drive ratio, and of course x hp.  Obviously x ET will change due to traction conditions, and gear selection, etc. etc.  
 
Simply though, you can just look at the Weight with HP to make calcs.
 
You have to be as accurate as possible with weight, don\'t kid yourself - add everything like how much fuel in tank, driver weight, are they standard wheels? Roll cage? etc..
 
Standard Series 8 FD (Type R = 1260kgs which is 2777lbs)
Driver: 75kgs = 165lbs
Fuel: 40 litres = 40kgs = 88lbs    (roughly 1kg per litre)
 
Approx Total: 1375kg = 3030.5lbs
 
This is pretty cool: http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm (http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm)
 
Another: http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm (http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm)
 
http://www.fastcoolcars.com/hp_calculator.htm (http://www.fastcoolcars.com/hp_calculator.htm)
 
This one is very good and goes into the Mathematics of it all:
 
http://www.ajdesigner.com/phphorsepower/horsepower_equation_trap_speed_method_horsepower.php (http://www.ajdesigner.com/phphorsepower/horsepower_equation_trap_speed_method_horsepower.php)
 
There are many more sites out there.
 
Do some quick calcs. based on Ross\' MPH :)

These calculators all reckon I have 541rwhp based on 3021 lbs & trap speed of 131.9

I got 845bhp @ 1200Kilos and a 160mph termainal

The purple garden shed gets 464rwhp

well based on my lardy full trim FC at 3100 lbs with the run i did at RS3, the trap speed is saying 412 atw and 486 at the fly.

Th ET calculator is saying 337 & 398 whic is more likely as i only running one bar, so something is not very accurate some where.

And my Willy is 2 inches longer.......... :Thumbs-up

Table now updated, will PM Iaint to update the main table sticky with this.
We have had a massive 8 people drop off the table! and now the lowest atw/ath figures is a huge 271

Quote from: TRexAnd my Willy is 2 inches longer.......... :Thumbs-up

you havent got a willy hahahahaha :rollin

Jpeg version of the chart

mm i get odd results 126 mph trap speed in full weight says accordign to link i am 473 bhp at rear wheels but its only 413 on wgt dyno or 490 at fly  so unless its flywheels figure then link is accurate ish but otherwise i think its not the gospel to go off.

nice one blitzboy thanks for updating glad i have made the list :D

Please could someone add me to the list. :bandit

must get my last graph up that would put RE:Worx top three

Quote from: monkey-fd3sHi Jurgen :)

The engine was built by Carl Hayward and mapped by Pip.  When the engine was rebuilt it had:
New Rotor housings
New side housings (Plates)
Good but used rotors
3mm Apex Seals
Competition Bearings
Race clearanced eccentric shaft
Major extend port
Dowelled

The engine was also balanced at build time

I must say big thanks to both Carl Hayward and Pip for their work which has been spot on.  Helpful & Friendly every time and a:3gears-rh lways a good cup of tea at either workshop :)  Thanks guys!

The turbo is a Turbonetics T60-1 with an .84 hot side a/r and .70 intake mounted on a HKS cast manifold. 550/1600 Injectors managed by a good old Apexi PFC at the moment with a dual SBC handling the boost.  I\'ve also got a V-Mount intercooler setup and a HKS Twin Power Module.

Attached a pic of the engine bay.

I like your car, hopefully mine will look that good one day... (got the same rear bumper - not fitted it yet tho)

:3gears-rh  nice mate

Quote from: BonePlease could someone add me to the list. :bandit

excellent mate what boost you running

Quote from: jurgenexcellent mate what boost you running

Cheers bud, high boost is 1.2 bar (green line) low boost is 0.9 bar (yellow line).

Forgot to add that its running a T78 for the info in the table.

Nice results mate, will have to meet up soon for a drink and chat

Could come and show off today! ;)

Nice figures there fella :Thumbs-up

thats unbelievable.....awesome results from that set-up

Cheers guys.
Will have to meet up some time Spen and Ricco, haven\'t spoke to you for a while.
I\'m well pleased with Pip\'s work. On the graph at about 4250rpm there is an increase of 100bhp compared to the previous map! I know the cat is restrictive, but I didn\'t know by that much! Boost comes on much earlier as well, although I haven\'t driven it yet with the high boost setting cos I\'m too much of a wuss in this weather. :p

Hi can i be added to, i got main on the dyno today and made 465 at the hub at 6698 at WGT.
Thanks
Erdin

Need you to post the Dyno sheet up first Erdin and some details on the car eg is it an FC,FD? What type of turbo?

Erdin won\'t be able to post up pics. He has an FD and was running 1.4bar. Can\'t confirm the type of turbo though....

John

Can he email me the dyno sheet John?
As I have declined guys before without a dyno sheet so I cant bend the rules as its not fair on them

Will post up my Sheet from yesterday at RE:WORX later, but made 470.3 rear wheels @ 1.2 bar T51 on V-Power pump fuel.:cool

Quote from: BlitzBoyCan he email me the dyno sheet John?
As I have declined guys before without a dyno sheet so I cant bend the rules as its not fair on them

What is your email adrress mate.

Thanks Erdin

Can you add me on the next update please Blitzboy, thanks mate.

Bulla

I will be doing the next round of Updates in two weeks guys, anymore for anymore

Erdin my email address is mark_salem@hotmail.com

Pic of Dyno sheet at RE:WORX on Sat 13th Jan 2007.

Warthog what was you torque reading.

Quote from: WarthogPic of Dyno sheet at RE:WORX on Sat 13th Jan 2007.

Quote from: WarthogPic of Dyno sheet at RE:WORX on Sat 13th Jan 2007.

Good power their John!, but FDUK me you wanna half bridge that thing :Giggle the power comes in quite late

Quote from: ErdinWarthog what was you torque reading.

340 ft/lbs @ 6000-7500 revs. :D

brilliant mate....chuffed for you........was expecting a higher torque figures though....not that your complaining!!!!......any reason for this?

No idea mate....

oh well!! who cares.......superb power!!!!!

Quote from: BlitzBoyGood power their John!, but FDUK me you wanna half bridge that thing :Giggle the power comes in quite late

Comes in at 5000 revs and I change up at 8500 revs. But to be honest anything I have played with prior to this upgrade has been history before I get a chance to change into 4th gear. So that will be sooner now.:InLove

Updated list yet Blitzboy................................:bandit

When are you updating the table Mark? I\'d like to have mine added. 404hp at the hubs.

Cheers. :)

Cant wait to see my old one added also :D

Blitz Boy any date yet for this update mate, Oh kids who would have them....:bandit

will do should have some free time to update during the week

Cant you wait till middle of next week:D

ohhhhh John boy yes im looking forward to ya beasty on the rollers, 500rwhp here we come , of course I can wait :D

Can you add me to the list please

The car made 333rwhp @6500 rpm at WGT today :D  (393 fwhp) :Thumbs-up

The torque has confused me though - it\'s 317 ft/lb at the fly, and 1103.9 at the wheels :o  All at .9bar.  Didn\'t notice till I got home.  Might have to get Pip to check that for me.

The car was loosing quite a bit of power due to boost spike!  It\'s mapped to be safe, but I\'m loosing upto 50hp in the mid range and a possible 30hp on top :(   I need to take my turbos off and send them up to Pip so I can have the wastegate enlarged a bit more... apparently my engine builder is too good :Thumbsup!

I\'ll post my sheet when I go into work on Monday.

Chris

torque is multiplied by gear ratios in the gearbox and diff, whereas power remains unchanged by the ratio and only suffers from losses in the gearbox and diff

if the pull was done in a 1.1 gear and the diff is a 4.1:1 the torque at the hubs should be around 4.1 times that at the flywheel.

1103/317 = 3.5  suggests to be that it was done in a higher gear or there is something odd about the calculated figure at the flywheel.

Just checked the sheet and is says that the ratio used was 4.1

duh ... my fault. If you loose power through the box but you don\'t loose the rpm\'s (it only changes it due to the ratios there can\'t be an RPM loss anywhere) so you must also loose torque through the gear sets  3.5 is probably 4.1 multiplied by the same loss apparent with the power between hub and fly.

BlitzBOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY..Table??????????:bandit

Two graphs now attached. :bandit :Thumbsup!

The left one is FWHP and the right is RWHP.

Chris

My two graphs now attached. :bandit :Thumbsup!

The left one is FWHP and the right is RWHP.

Chris

Hi guys can I be added to the table.... The specs on the car are below:

13b Street Ported HKS T04e - built by the master himself JayDee
331rwhp @ 0.9bar

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e181/kash_5/Kash%20RX7/Kash%20RX7%20Spec%20Folder/dyno-graph.jpg)

Unfortunately this was the only high boost run during mapping as either the wheel was spinning or clutch was slipping, also the plugs were very tired and gave up on this run.... not the best result but hoping to do a power run sometime this summer with some decent plugs and HKS twin spark

Quote from: WarthogBlitzBOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY..Table??????????:bandit

 BB are you going to update the table or not. :Typing  

   Some time in the life time of the Queen would be nice.

will get my last dyno print out of pip it was 540@1.1 bar fly and 464 to rears, i think mine makes it the most powerfull built 13b engine by wgt.. but its now broken lol

Quote from: jurgenwill get my last dyno print out of pip it was 540@1.1 bar fly and 464 to rears, i think mine makes it the most powerfull built 13b engine by wgt.. but its now broken lol

Does this count if its broken:xconfused

When is table going to be updated......................:spank

Quote from: John YorkeDoes this count if its broken:xconfused

of course it does it broke on last run

Sooooo its not running then?:xconfused

Quote from: John YorkeSooooo its not running then?:xconfused

not at the moment it broke the staionery gear,the 540 was already achieved so it achieved the 540bhp run then it broke afterwards on another run.. its like saying if your car is broken then the last power run does not count ? lol dont worry john i wont be above you on the table as your is slightly higher although with more boost

Quote from: jurgennot at the moment it broke the staionery gear,the 540 was already achieved so it achieved the 540bhp run then it broke afterwards on another run.. its like saying if your car is broken then the last power run does not count ? lol dont worry john i wont be above you on the table as your is slightly higher although with more boost

Ohhhh but mines still running dont you get that mine came off the rollers and is still oroducing the gazzilion hp:yes

Quote from: John YorkeOhhhh but mines still running dont you get that mine came off the rollers and is still oroducing the gazzilion hp:yes

am very happy for you john, why are you a bitter person ?? all your post or replys to my car are negative :Nono!

Quote from: jurgenam very happy for you john, why are you a bitter person ?? all your post or replys to my car are negative :Nono!

Not negative mate just observing, there have been plenty of cars that made big power on the dyno and have gone pop, none of them appear on the table hth

Not bitter in the slightest either, still enjoying my rotary experience even after all these years :3gears-rh I clearly give people the wrong impression, I dont intend any malice with my comments if you made more power than me I would be the first to congratulate you, I hope once Pip has done the rebuild you come out and crack the 500atw AND it will be a British built engine, best of luck.

Quote from: John YorkeNot negative mate just observing, there have been plenty of cars that made big power on the dyno and have gone pop, none of them appear on the table hth

Not bitter in the slightest either, still enjoying my rotary experience even after all these years :3gears-rh I clearly give people the wrong impression, I dont intend any malice with my comments if you made more power than me I would be the first to congratulate you, I hope once Pip has done the rebuild you come out and crack the 500atw AND it will be a British built engine, best of luck.

thanks john i bloody hope so as its had lots of £spent and time put into it by me and WGT...


am actually thinking of buying a MOTEC ecu as i have read these are better for 500 plus..

and as for you given the wrong impression its that on this forum i have always had bad vibes from a small percentage so hope no offence was taken:bandit

Quote from: jurgenthanks john i bloody hope so as its had lots of £spent and time put into it by me and WGT...


am actually thinking of buying a MOTEC ecu as i have read these are better for 500 plus..

and as for you given the wrong impression its that on this forum i have always had bad vibes from a small percentage so hope no offence was taken:bandit

A more cost efective option might be the F-Con pro does most of the things Motec can do but considerably less ££££, dont blame me for the vibes man its the forum I\'m afraid.
Peace:guinness

Quote from: John YorkeA more cost efective option might be the F-Con pro does most of the things Motec can do but considerably less ££££, dont blame me for the vibes man its the forum I\'m afraid.
Peace:guinness

i had an f con pro- when it came in to uk and was told to take it out lol

Quote from: jurgeni had an f con pro- when it came in to uk and was told to take it out lol

Shame, tis a great bit of kit, sooo much smoother than the pfc and infinately more adjustable for fine tuning, listening to mine, you would not believe its 1/2 bridge on tickover.

And here it is after much waiting and anticipation the updated Dyno Chart list for 2007, I will get a Mod to change the main sticky with this new one. As you can see last place is still a massive 294 at wheels!!!!
Its gonna get harder and harder to break into this table let alone trying to get into the Top Ten!

cheers mark,

am i right in thinking that this is just the dyno reading regardless of whether its at the hubs or wheels?

I know its a nightmare as all dynos are different.

Just to clarify my car runs a t88 and made 390bhp. Thanks for updating the list.

ahh accidently forgot to fill out you figure when inserted ya mj, will amend on Tuesday

yep hubs/wheels readings

mark did you know you had jurgan in there twice?

matt

BB-- I know I have changed my set up but my Twins Record still stands, as far as I know, any chance of putting it back in the list. Ta J.C.:wave

Diavolo Rosso should be in there 461.4 Thor dynoday 1/2bridge T51bb

Quote from: arroukmark did you know you had jurgan in there twice?

matt

that is in a diffo car :cool

Quote from: jurgenthat is in a diffo car :cool

edit just checked that is my t88 in twice i thought it was my old t78 car

I will be deleting double Entries for members as I stated long ago only one entry per member, so I will delete Johns Yorkes multiple entries as requested, Warthog I had to delete your old entry for twins to be consistant with my rules for the tables, also I will delete Jurgens old entry as well.
Will do the edits on Tuesday

Quote from: BlitzBoyI will be deleting double Entries for members as I stated long ago only one entry per member, so I will delete Johns Yorkes multiple entries as requested, Warthog I had to delete your old entry for twins to be consistant with my rules for the tables, also I will delete Jurgens old entry as well.
Will do the edits on Tuesday

Boo:Giggle would have looked good with 3 cars on there all different specs. Current one should be the one though. Mind you Royal should be on there as he owns the car now.

Quote from: BlitzBoyI will be deleting double Entries for members as I stated long ago only one entry per member, so I will delete Johns Yorkes multiple entries as requested, Warthog I had to delete your old entry for twins to be consistant with my rules for the tables, also I will delete Jurgens old entry as well.
Will do the edits on Tuesday

Think it would be nice to keep it up there mate as it gives an offical record of a target for peeps with twins to aim for. :wave

Can whoevers in charge stick me in the table please?
I ran my car on the rolling road today at interpro in bristol.
Engine built by- Davehg
Tuned by- Greg @ rx motors
car- FD3S RX7
Engine-13B Gt35R single turbo
BHP- 394.5
Thanks

Quote from: Lum90Can whoevers in charge stick me in the table please?
I ran my car on the rolling road today at interpro in bristol.
Engine built by- Davehg
Tuned by- Greg @ rx motors
car- FD3S RX7
Engine-13B Gt35R single turbo
BHP- 394.5
Thanks

Please confirm this as at the fly wheel, not wheels.

Cheers,
John

yeah at the fly mate!

can you post the at wheels or hub figures with a dyno graph please :)

Quote from: WarthogThink it would be nice to keep it up there mate as it gives an offical record of a target for peeps with twins to aim for. :wave

Wasnt there a tread dedicated to FD twins, post ya results on there on there?

I need to stick me rules my man

New version of the 2007 Dyno chart , iaint will post in the sticky thread when he get backs from hols

Mark,

Erdin had a r85 not a ta45, and Ant should be in number one spot as everyman and his dog knows that reworx car never had 571rwhp

Brian

ahhh but I have seen Stripeys Dyno sheet ;)

Quote from: BlitzBoyahhh but I have seen Stripeys Dyno sheet ;)

I think Jmaes Wilday has a dyno sheet of some 700+ bhp but it does not mean that what he really got. lol

woops wrong one here its is

Quote from: bnaellisI think Jmaes Wilday has a dyno sheet of some 700+ bhp but it does not mean that what he really got. lol

Most James\' car has made on RE:Worx\' dyno was late 400s, lol. And it\'s run 10s, doesnt sound too unreasonable? couple of similar hp cars have also made similiar hp on other peoples dynos recently. Make of it what you will. Btw, Ant\'s figures are also from the same dyno so you better choose another more deserved car from the list Bri :)

Edit: hp numbers are just that - numbers, anyone with a half a brain knows they will often seesaw from dyno to dyno. The rolling road is an incredibly useful tuning tool which is why people pay lots of money for them; the figures at the end are a by-product which when compared to another cars are of very little value. Cant help those with e-peens to feed tho ;-)

Quote from: 20B_boyMost James\' car has made on RE:Worx\' dyno was late 400s, lol. And it\'s run 10s, doesnt sound too unreasonable? couple of similar hp cars have also made similiar hp on other peoples dynos recently. Make of it what you will. Btw, Ant\'s figures are also from the same dyno so you better choose another more deserved car from the list Bri :)

I was referring to this thread where he went on a dyno in Birmingham.
http://www.fduk.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6983&highlight=dyno
Not slating your dyno dynamics so no need to get protective over it.
I just don\'t believe you made a genuine 571rwhp on stripey that\'s all, end of the day it\'s no skin off of my nose if it did, and no skin off of yours if it didn\'t.


Brian

Sometimes comes down to driver ability too, James is a very good drag strip racer his launches as spot on !!!!

ReWorx also used a very good driver as well all know, and same goes for Ross who himself is a good driver.

You can have all the power in the world but if you cant launch properly then you wont get decent times :D

Quote from: bnaellisI was referring to this thread where he went on a dyno in Birmingham.
http://www.fduk.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6983&highlight=dyno
Not slating your dyno dynamics so no need to get protective over it.
I just don\'t believe you made a genuine 571rwhp on stripey that\'s all, end of the day it\'s no skin off of my nose if it did, and no skin off of yours if it didn\'t.

Aye, I know the dyno you are on about (its now closed down i think?). And you\'re right Bri, theres no nose skin to be lost here. I was just clearing up the fact it wasnt 700 or any where near at RE:Worx, and that (not for the first time) people take dyno numbers far too seriously... :driving

Catch up soon Bri :D

Quote from: bnaellisI was referring to this thread where he went on a dyno in Birmingham.
http://www.fduk.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6983&highlight=dyno
Not slating your dyno dynamics so no need to get protective over it.
I just don\'t believe you made a genuine 571rwhp on stripey that\'s all, end of the day it\'s no skin off of my nose if it did, and no skin off of yours if it didn\'t.


Brian

What makes you question that sort of figure brian?with an et of 9.8 and terminal of 143,with all factors taken into account,approx weight with driver etc,this figure seems about right,if not a little low.:confused:

Dont worry about it anyway guys, we all know what the most powerful Rotary engine in the UK is. 160.5mph terminal Speed  :Laugh :Laugh

haha yes Ross you do have a point, so when u gonna slam that thing on a dyno and go for number one spot in the "Pub talk" table :D ?

Not going to bother, tried it once, I didnt like mappping on the dyno.
Not interested in dynos at all.
If someone tells me they have 500hp im not not that impressed, but if they say they have a 130mph terminal then I am impressed!

Quote from: DRAGONIf someone tells me they have 500hp im not not that impressed, but if they say they have a 130mph terminal then I am impressed!

 What a refreshing statement for a change on here!

 All these \'Dyno days\' the queens have in here.... cheaper if they all just turned up naked and measured themselves quickly so everyone can get on the Track and walk the walk! :Yawn

Quote from: TRexWhat a refreshing statement for a change on here!

 All these \'Dyno days\' the queens have in here.... cheaper if they all just turned up naked and measured themselves quickly so everyone can get on the Track and walk the walk! :Yawn

some people do all 3!

dyno, strip and circuit  :D   i may even get my tape measure out the next time i go to the dyno!

Quote from: antnicuki may even get my tape measure out the next time i go to the dyno!

As long as thats all u get out Ant, anything else will get chopped off and thrown in that skip (post bail incident at least!) you drive :bandit

Can someone stick me on the list

FD , non sequential twins , engine built and tuned by WGT

317.3 @ the hubs , 374.4 @ the fly

Cheers

Well here we go, my dyno results, non sequential-knightsports RF420 high flow twins running 0.9 bar on stock ports, well chuffed

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e12/asthier/dyno1.jpg)

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e12/asthier/dyno2.jpg)

Will scan the sheets when I get a chance...

From this weekend.....

444.8atw and 379ftlb @ 7300rpm on 0.9bar

First stage of mapping on the new internal setup.

Cheers,
John

outstanding power at that boost, the new set up is obviously working well.

mods...can you edit my spelling, please

That is one of the nicest FC \'s I\'ve seen. Good to meet you :D

Shaun

Cheers Shaun, see you at RS

Results of the dyno run from Saturday - car was running chipped ECU - no eManage yet, and with boost controller set to 12psi limit.
 
Mods are Racing Beat Exhaust, catless downpipe, Blitz Access ECU, HKS filter, custom induction inlet, Street ported engine on 3mm seals, and Hybrid T04B/HT18s Turbo with Profec B Spec II boost controller.

Is that Flywheel or wheels? Very good result either way :D

Shaun

I think he is showing both Shaun,  Flywheel and Wheels

Quote from: shaunwilIs that Flywheel or wheels? Very good result either way :D
 
Shaun

First graph is flywheel horsepower and torque, the 2nd is rear wheel horsepower against boost.  I had the limitter set at 12psi with a 20% drop on boost, so that\'s why the boost drops off a little, although I need to add more fuel at the top end before pushing that any higher.  Boost controller needs adjusting for gain and start gain, as it comes on a bit late so it\'s pushed the curves over to the higher RPM\'s.
 
Good thing is my original torque curve is under this one all the way.  Power has shifted slightly higher in the rev range, but car made peek power at the same rpm as last time - just 100 BHP less :)
 
Just waiting for a bigger intercooler and WI setup, then the eManage and bigger secondaries (800cc) can go on for a bit more ;)

Hey can someone updat the chart with steves BHP figures?

hmmmmmmm let me think.....naa cant be naffed to edit the bl**dy spreadsheet ahaha :rollin

tell him to post the graphs on this thread then I will update, also going to rejig the whole chart as there is too many entries now, it will be top 20 only this time, one entry per person

Quote from: BlitzBoy;515621hmmmmmmm let me think.....naa cant be naffed to edit the bl**dy spreadsheet ahaha :rollin

Beacuse your jealous B1tch!!

ooooo get you B1tch,otherwise we will have to do a handbag faceoff, now lets not start the gay stuff again lol

ps its you\'re not your :rollin

Mixed fortunes today, Geff and Maxy baby of Reworx crew cleaned up the map @ 10psi gained an extra 11rwhp :D

Went for 11.5psi (0.8 BAR) climbing to 415rwhp at 6500rpm (just before peak torque) they had to let off the throttle as afr was 12:1 at 100% injector duty, this due to the size of the Bridge and overlap eating fuel near peak torque. Pretty sure if went to 8000rpm we would have registered 430rwhp at 0.8 BAR.

So need bigger or additional injectors to take us safely past peak torque. This will have wait until after Japshow finale.

Will be running 11psi next weekend, target would be a mid 11 second run, I be happy with that.

Thank you Reworx, destroyed an Aston Martin Vanquish on the way home :spank

good results mark,  i thought your fuel system was sorted to take you to 1.2/3 bar?  

i\'ll be visiting them soon for a dyno session. I\'ll be hoping for 250 rwhp :)

Quote from: BlitzBoy;540772Mixed fortunes today, Geff and Maxy baby of Reworx crew cleaned up the map @ 10psi gained an extra 11rwhp :D

Went for 11.5psi (0.8 BAR) climbing to 415rwhp at 6500rpm (just before peak torque) they had to let off the throttle as afr was 12:1 at 100% injector duty, this due to the size of the Bridge and overlap eating fuel near peak torque. Pretty sure if went to 8000rpm we would have registered 430rwhp at 0.8 BAR.

So need bigger or additional injectors to take us safely past peak torque. This will have wait until after Japshow finale.

Will be running 11psi next weekend, target would be a mid 11 second run, I be happy with that.

Thank you Reworx, destroyed an Aston Martin Vanquish on the way home :spank

Nice one blitz,are you going to run extra injectors and is the motec capable,if not i am sure i have an hks aic lying about somewhere.Oh and here are my figures from a while back.

Mark what is your fuel sytem setup?

Quote from: antnicuk;540782good results mark,  i thought your fuel system was sorted to take you to 1.2/3 bar?  

i\'ll be visiting them soon for a dyno session. I\'ll be hoping for 250 rwhp :)

well its all to do with flow and effciency, this setup flows so much air but the overlap wastes fuel when its hitting peak torque, if we got past peak torque injector demand would have been much less.
The fuel system as in pumps lines ets are fine its just we need more injector now, Geff saw this happen with Stripy and another car they have in at the moment runs 4x1500cc

Quote from: Kash_;540785Mark what is your fuel sytem setup?

2x850 2x1680, 2 bosch 044 swirl pot apexi lift pump.

With streetports you dont see this type of demand on fuel, but this is such a big bridge its just eats fuel

Quote from: silverrexman;540783Nice one blitz,are you going to run extra injectors and is the motec capable,if not i am sure i have an hks aic lying about somewhere.Oh and here are my figures from a while back.

Cheers Steve Plan is to run 4x1680, you at jap show finale?

thats strange same fuel system thats on a half bridge i showed you the pic of thats running at 2.2 bar With no problem! And thats with the pumps in the wrong place according to some people! Lol  

Quote from: BlitzBoy;5407882x850 2x1680, 2 bosch 044 swirl pot apexi lift pump.

With streetports you dont see this type of demand on fuel, but this is such a big bridge its just eats fuel

yeah it surprised Geff as well, yeh still got that pic compared it with my ports , mine are larger from what I can tell and the port closing is different but im no expert on porting by any means , you going to be at the Jap show finale J?

Quote from: BlitzBoy;540801yeah it surprised Geff as well, yeh still got that pic compared it with my ports , mine are larger from what I can tell and the port closing is different but im no expert on porting by any means , you going to be at the Jap show finale J?

Yep,J will be at japshow finale with his car,(japshow 2012 that is).:Giggle

My car now weighs a little less than 1100kgs,that is with 2 front seats,rear seats,carpets,headlining,full cage etc.But unfortunately with the current economic climate i havent had the funds to finish the engine work.Over the past month i have had to cut back alot and re-evaluate things in my business.Hopefully things will sort itself out in the next couple of months and i will be able to come out with something a bit special for next year.

Give you chance to catch up mark,lol:Giggle

I will be at Japshow for both days and am really looking forward to it,especially the pro cars(John bradshaw went into the 7"s today at santapod,his best was 7.78),and of course to see if jeff or chris can beat ross"s record.Chris is running at shakespeare tomorrow,james ran today but broke another gearbox,dooooh.I will be in my subaru so i could give you a race,but that would only be for a drink:guinness.:wiggle

SEE YOU NEXT WEEK EVERYONE.

lol 2012 it will be longer than that for me to race a car up the strip i am building one but i wont drive it as have no interest in the 1/4 i do track days i will be at jap show though so see ya next

Will you be driving up in one of your creations Jay, I really wanna take picture of you sitting inside the drivers seat of a Rex lol?

Final mapping has been done on my car and it survived and didnt break whoohoo lol :D
470bhp at the wheels , 555 at the fly at 1.2 BAR boost, so comparing like for like on Reworx dyno with my old configuration have gained 20bhp at less boost (1.5 psi less)
Thank you Geff,Max,Chris at Reworx :D

Nice blitz ... 555 is a cool number to have :D
So you planning on eventually upping the boost ?

yep going to get used to the 1.2 BAR again at the strip next year, as this year I have only run 0.7 BAR with a best of 11.8, so its going to be quite a bit quicker, once I get used to it then slowly up it to 1.3 or 1.4 BAR

awesome :D

Shaun

Just in case anyone knows before I spend all day trawling through the thread, does anyone have a dyno graph of an Apexi rx6 turbo kit engine? preferably with street porting and an REW manifold !!

Quote from: royal;557166Just in case anyone knows before I spend all day trawling through the thread, does anyone have a dyno graph of an Apexi rx6 turbo kit engine? preferably with street porting and an REW manifold !!

Yeah, I second that request. I have that kit ready to go on when I need to get it rebuilt (unless I sell it!).

Royal Cotact Nigel on FDUK he has the Apexi rx6 kit on his FD and has been dynoed at REworx a couple of years ago

Cool, thanks Blitz :)

Nigel has an ax75 in his. Anyone with Apexi Rx6?

Picked up the car today fook me its fast only took it to 1 BAR

Era\'s baby juice nearly come out when I took him out for a ride at 1bar, the old defi Tach with change up light with the precise action of the Stillway shifter was working beautifully :D

At 1 BAR its the fastest I have ever been in an FD more so when I was dragging at 1.3 BAR on the old setup, there feels no end of power up the rev range I will be smiling for weeks now.

So thanks to Era,Geff,Chris,Max at Reworx, and John Goodwin (who needs to go gym and work on those muscles) who have made it possible

Sounds like a beasty :D I miss going big beans in a Rex! can\'t wait to get back on the road now.

may as well put mine on

519fwhp @ 1bar 400lbft reworx tuned half bridge, can post dyno graph if needed


mr impey went on the dyno at the weekend and made some serious power at only 1.4bar but i wont reveal how much ill leave that up to timmy

colum

Quote from: mx1311;559055may as well put mine on
 
519fwhp @ 1bar 400lbft reworx tuned half bridge, can post dyno graph if needed
 
 
mr impey went on the dyno at the weekend and made some serious power at only 1.4bar but i wont reveal how much ill leave that up to timmy
 
colum

wowww ... what turbo you running and what mods to make that power ?
are you running a RE intake ? or standard REW ?

stock rew manifolds, 6x850 injectors, v-mount, gt42r, hks fcon and apexi powerfc, stock internals, hurley apex seals. no water

tuning and porting is the key ;)

colum

Quote from: mx1311;559055mr impey went on the dyno at the weekend and made some serious power at only 1.4bar but i wont reveal how much ill leave that up to timmy

colum

Spill the beans!!!!!

Quote from: mx1311;559055519fwhp @ 1bar 400lbft reworx tuned half bridge, can post dyno graph if needed

lets see the graph good buddy roger roger

Quote from: mx1311;559078stock rew manifolds, 6x850 injectors, v-mount, gt42r, hks fcon and apexi powerfc, stock internals, hurley apex seals. no water
 
tuning and porting is the key ;)
 
colum

HKS fcon and powerfc, how do you find those two together ? I think you will see a lot more power at more boost with such a big turbo

Quote from: Rzla;559082HKS fcon and powerfc, how do you find those two together ? I think you will see a lot more power at more boost with such a big turbo

hks is piggybacked off the powerfc so does all the work, apexi just does things like omp (which i left on) and fans and intank fuelpump

and yes i prob would see more but that is more than enough powers for a road car and occasional track day :wiggle

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559079Spill the beans!!!!!

on private chat on the "other forum" :King

dyno graph ill post tom :)

cool just checked it fduk a duck he made good power

Quote from: BlitzBoy;555484Final mapping has been done on my car and it survived and didnt break whoohoo lol :D
470bhp at the wheels , 555 at the fly at 1.2 BAR boost, so comparing like for like on Reworx dyno with my old configuration have gained 20bhp at less boost (1.5 psi less)
Thank you Geff,Max,Chris at Reworx :D

Do you think maybe your quenching by injecting too much water, as I would of expected more on a big half bridge and t51 combo at that boost?
What ignition system you running ??


rgds

Brian

no water Injection being used at the moment otherwise it would have been more power lol
Its been mapped conservatively , running bosch coils, only 90rwhp behind a certain FD thats running more boost anyways :D

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559089cool just checked it fduk a duck he made good power

 
come on then spill the beans what power did he make

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559298no water Injection being used at the moment otherwise it would have been more power lol
Its been mapped conservatively , running bosch coils, only 90rwhp behind a certain FD thats running more boost anyways :D

Quote from: lee mills;559310come on then spill the beans what power did he make

the clue is in marks post mate, if mark makes 470rwhp then chris makes...

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559298no water Injection being used at the moment otherwise it would have been more power lol
Its been mapped conservatively , running bosch coils, only 90rwhp behind a certain FD thats running more boost anyways :D

What\'s up with the water injection mate you changing system?

rgds

Brian

Quote from: matt724;559313the clue is in marks post mate, if mark makes 470rwhp then chris makes...

Spoke to Tim this morning I thought he said 589 at 1.5 bar but maybe I got it worng and he said 569 instead.


rgds

Brian

Quote from: bnaellis;559329What\'s up with the water injection mate you changing system?

rgds

Brian

nope leaving it off for the first meets next year then activating the 50:50 then seeing if there is a real difference in the terminal speed just want to experiment with system on and off. Want to see real world performance figures, be interesting to see

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559349nope leaving it off for the first meets next year then activating the 50:50 then seeing if there is a real difference in the terminal speed just want to experiment with system on and off. Want to see real world performance figures, be interesting to see

Things depend on how much your injecting, but obviously you know water doesn\'t burn, then methanol burns slower than pump fuel, so to see any increase in power will be dependant on what your timing & afr is at already. Increase in power is also dependant on the % your injecting.
Don\'t expect to see much if any gain without either leaning your afrs out some and or advancing your timing.


rgds

Brian

well yes I will be changing mixture as I did last time, I have a target afr in mind when I start to inject the 50:50, plus I have the summer from AQ to wire up which replaces the FIA2 module

Mark could you post your dynosheet so I can compare with mine. I want to see the difference across the between the half bridge and a street port in spool up, overall power band, and peak etc please mate.


rgds

Brian

Will do, left my dyno sheets at Eras, I will get him to take pics of them so I can post them up, its amazing that the T51 regardless of street port or half bridge produces the same peak power at the 1.2 BAR the only difference I can see in terms of peak power mine holds on longer, but will post up to compare properly

what ecu are you running brian?

regards


colum

Quote from: mx1311;559511what ecu are you running brian?

regards


colum

apexi pfc

rgds

Brian

arse! i forgot to bring my dyno sheet in today to scan it in

Go to the back of the room and stand in the corner lol I should be able to put pics up by the end of the day Era has got me message.
The good thing all three of us have used the same dyno this should give us proper comparisons of different turbo and engine configs.

I am Suspecting the RE manifolds on my REW engine are not adding to much at these boost levels and the FD manifolds are more effective, the RE manifolds dont seem to work to well at low boost as its an older design even though its bigger. RE manifolds are of a collector design where as the FD is a Dynamic pressure design.

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559526Go to the back of the room and stand in the corner lol I should be able to put pics up by the end of the day Era has got me message.
The good thing all three of us have used the same dyno this should give us proper comparisons of different turbo and engine configs.

I am Suspecting the RE manifolds on my REW engine are not adding to much at these boost levels and the FD manifolds are more effective, the RE manifolds dont seem to work to well at low boost as its an older design even though its bigger. RE manifolds are of a collector design where as the FD is a Dynamic pressure design.

My upper and lower intakee manifold is ported so it\'s not quite the same as stock. My throttle body is stock. I saw huge gains from 1.2 to 1.35 which is when I started to have problems with clutch slip.

rgds
Brian

yep thats what I am thinking , Geff was saying I will get massive gains when I start increasing the boost further.
Do we know what the peak efficency range for the T51R is boost wise? 1.7 Bar I have heard

i have sock rew manifolds and throttlebody :P

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559535yep thats what I am thinking , Geff was saying I will get massive gains when I start increasing the boost further.
Do we know what the peak efficency range for the T51R is boost wise? 1.7 Bar I have heard

I ran mine at 1.9 bar a few times and power cannot be compared to 1.7 at all, the egt was the same too, so peak eff definitely not 1.7 otherwise my egt\'s should of shown significant increase at 1.9 bar compared to 1.7 bar.



rgds

Brian

you have balls driving it at 1.9 :eek!!!!
At least we know the turbo is big enough for our goals, I only want to run tens lol

I believe it\'s a similar spec to a gt45

(http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/images/catalog/Turbochargers/gt40_images/GT4508R_Comp_large.gif)

Most efficient at 1.8bar but will make power up 2.5bar.

Here we go Brian dyno attached ignore the thick black line as that is my old setup, look at the thin one, comparing my power line to your its almost equal at the beginning
eg 4100rpm you are producing 108rwhp and I am Producing 112rwhp,
at 5500rpm you are producing 300rwhp and I am producing 325rwhp, so the Hbridge edging it here.
But by 6200rpm (cant be exact as different scaling is used) its equal again at 385rwhp
And still equal at 7400rpm when we both hit 470rwhp, at 8200rpm you lose 10rwhp whilst I am still the same,but to be honest there is hardly and difference, the pull is stopped after this.

Hi Timmy, Did you get that graph from Garrett? Don\'t suppose you have any idea where I can get an efficiency graph for an Apexi rx6 turbo kit do you?! its an IHI turbo.

Quote from: bnaellis;559498Mark could you post your dynosheet so I can compare with mine. I want to see the difference across the between the half bridge and a street port in spool up, overall power band, and peak etc please mate.


rgds

Brian

What causes the little bump in the graph mate?

Quote from: royal;559565Hi Timmy, Did you get that graph from Garrett? Don\'t suppose you have any idea where I can get an efficiency graph for an Apexi rx6 turbo kit do you?! its an IHI turbo.

Thats from garret via a dealer website.

Quote from: royal;559566What causes the little bump in the graph mate?

That was the first manifestation of my clutch slip but at the time I did not know it.


rgds

Brian

Quote from: Timmy;559557I believe it\'s a similar spec to a gt45

(http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/images/catalog/Turbochargers/gt40_images/GT4508R_Comp_large.gif)

Most efficient at 1.8bar but will make power up 2.5bar.

The gt45 is more comparable with the hkst62r whether the pressure ratio are like for like with garrett and hks I don\'t know.


rgds

Brian

Bri what do you make of my dyno graph pratically the same as yours bar the mid range being a bit better on mine?

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559564Here we go Brian dyno attached ignore the thick black line as that is my old setup, look at the thin one, comparing my power line to your its almost equal at the beginning
eg 4100rpm you are producing 108rwhp and I am Producing 112rwhp,
at 5500rpm you are producing 300rwhp and I am producing 325rwhp, so the Hbridge edging it here.
But by 6200rpm (cant be exact as different scaling is used) its equal again at 385rwhp
And still equal at 7400rpm when we both hit 470rwhp, at 8200rpm you lose 10rwhp whilst I am still the same,but to be honest there is hardly and difference, the pull is stopped after this.

Interesting stuff so if I was to bridge my secondaries does that mean I wouldn\'t actually get any gains on my current setup??


rgds

Brian

looks that way for peak power it be the same, you will gain in the midrange only.
Did you run WI on your dyno runs?

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559660Bri what do you make of my dyno graph pratically the same as yours bar the mid range being a bit better on mine?

I think the difference in mid range is clearly seen where your secondaries are doing there stuff but I thought there would of been the same difference over a broader rev range.
I can also see where after 8000 rpm the bridge is more efficient where there is less time for the engine to swallow due to engine speed.
Torque curve is more or less the same too.
This time round I should lose a little power as I am putting a more restrictive but nicer sounding back box on my car.


rgds
Brian

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559663looks that way for peak power it be the same, you will gain in the midrange only.
Did you run WI on your dyno runs?

No I was getting break up at first so I disabled it to put it out the equation.


rgds

Brian

So the main question is Brian will you be running next year against Timbo? :D

Blitz are you updating the the sheets,come on i want to see me at the top of the pile before some other fduker beats it:wiggle
So far its my only claim to fame,apart from when i was on the telly coming out of the courts:Giggle

lol okies I will have a go at it tomorrow I was just waiting on Geff to dyno the RX8\'s 20B engine

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559671So the main question is Brian will you be running next year against Timbo? :D

Mine will look nicer than Tim\'s I guess that\'s not hard really. But if Tim can get his engine probs sorted next year I don\'t think anyone would want to be racing him i\'m sure he will wipe the floor with all the competition. He will have a very special car for next year but I cannot say more.


rgds

Brian

Okies guys will be re doing the Rotary Dyno Sheet, it will be revamped, it be Top Twenty only, Twin turbo guys should created their own Dyno sheet.

what Turbo you have again Steve?

ill scan mine later when i get in

need at wheels figures Ash

was about 465 from what i can remember @ 1.15 bar ish

^ very nice Ash especially at only 1.15 bar :eek

cheers dude, John did a good job on the engine and the turbo has so much in it still. Think some of it comes down to the F Con Gold on a bridge port

I am surprised at the little difference in power between the bridge and the street port.   Does that mean its not worth while?  extra noise and fuel?

Quote from: antnicuk;559833I am surprised at the little difference in power between the bridge and the street port. Does that mean its not worth while? extra noise and fuel?

 
when i get mine dynoed properly....i\'ll prove that is the case!!!!!!

yep looks like the only benefit is the midrange and keeping the power longer at upper rpm, does not look to increase overall peak HP not at these low boost levels anyways, will get it redynoed at the end of next year at higher boost if the engine survives the drag season, hopefully Brian will get his car together so he can redyno at higher boost as well for a like for like comparison on thesameturbo

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559691what Turbo you have again Steve?

Gt45/47 hybrid:god

Here we go the updated chart new Top Twenty chart

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559964Here we go the updated chart new Top Twenty chart

Good work Blitz :Thumbsup!  Any chance we could have column for boost levels ?

Bulla

I was thinking that but only have records for about 9 people on boost levels so would look crap. I want to keep it plain and simple.

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559967I was thinking that but only have records for about 9 people on boost levels so would look crap.

Come on Top 20 get your boost levels in !

Bulla

This is what I have for boost levels.
Chris impey 1.45,A7NTY 1.35,Warthog 1.3,Blitzboy 1.2,BnaEllis 1.2,AshRX 1.15,John Yorke 1.15,ED_RX7 1,Phil G 1,Laeeq 1.1,Pete Sparrow 1.15

hopefully it will be going up quite a bit with a boost turn up soon

Quote from: BlitzBoy;559969This is what I have for boost levels.
Chris impey 1.45,A7NTY 1.35,Warthog 1.3,Blitzboy 1.2,BnaEllis 1.2,AshRX 1.15,John Yorke 1.15,ED_RX7 1,Phil G 1,Laeeq 1.1,Pete Sparrow 1.15

I take it the whifbits car with 556 i think at the wheel isnt allowed on as its a track car lol lol

yes of course its allowed Jaydee, just post up the dyno graph or Picture message/email it to me with a few spec details of turbo and type of port and boost level so I can get a boost column going as well and I will update the new Top Twenty chart

Quote from: JayDee;559976I take it the whifbits car with 556 i think at the wheel isnt allowed on as its a track car lol lol

You\'d have to say that Impey\'s car is hardly a road car! Especially if he sticks to the drag gearbox

Dont worry Jaydee found the dyno graph on FDUK, what boost level was it at?

Quote from: sadgoth;559984You\'d have to say that Impey\'s car is hardly a road car! Especially if he sticks to the drag gearbox

Doesnt matter if the cars are Track,drag, or street this is the Top Twenty Rotary "Dyno" power figures" chart

that\'s what I was getting at - I was responding to Jaydee, if Chris\' car is there then why not the Whifbitz car!

Here we go already updated with Jaydees/Whifbitz figures as I have found the dyno graph

so by the time I\'ve got the issues sorted with mine I\'ll be lucky to get into the top 20 :( (hell if I keep hitting 1.9BAR I\'ll get near the 500 mark for about 1/4 of a second lol)

Quote from: sadgoth;559988that\'s what I was getting at - I was responding to Jaydee, if Chris\' car is there then why not the Whifbitz car!

it was a joke to mark, i was refering to a circuit car when i said track
anyway mark it was at 1.6 at that power
J

Cheers Jaydee, your skills have made it to Number 4 on the chart knocking Pete Sparrow off the chart completely, cmon Pete get Ross to pull his finger out and finish your car lol

Quote from: BlitzBoy;560002Cheers Jaydee, your skills have made it to Number 4 on the chart knocking Pete Sparrow off the chart completely, cmon Pete get Ross to pull his finger out and finish your car lol

Just called him now!!! Not happy:2Mad

Quote from: pete sparrow;560003Just called him now!!! Not happy:2Mad

:rollin ahhh the shame of it being regulated you will have Mr Harris ribbing you next when he gets wind of this :Talking1

Quote from: BlitzBoy;560005:rollin ahhh the shame of it being regulated you will have Mr Harris ribbing you next when he gets wind of this :Talking1

Mr Harris best not rib or i\'ll bump the price up on my old alloys and this huge intercooler he wants..:)

oi blitzen, i get in just.........

colum, half bridge, gt42, built by myself, 440 atw 519 fly, reworx .95bar

oi wheres ya dyno graph lol? or should I trust you lol :rollin
Did you port it as well Romantic boy :p?

no vladimir it was a reworx-oldone combo

ill mail you the dyno printout tonight, but its fwhp

yep mail it then I can work rwhp it by subtracting the 18% transmission loss

Quote from: mx1311;560041oi blitzen, i get in just.........

colum, half bridge, gt42, built by myself, 440 atw 519 fly, reworx .95bar

Colum, does this mean you have a rotary which is actualy on the road now the :2eek      : Mark thinks very carefully about the hypocrisy of that statement :Grrr

Quote from: sadgoth;560072Colum, does this mean you have a rotary which is actualy on the road now the :2eek      : Mark thinks very carefully about the hypocrisy of that statement :Grrr

yeah dude, but for how long, its running not a lot of boost on a fairly safe map so should put up with the abuse i give it

any news on yours?

well, the map had some interesting spots on it! between 14-16PSI we had a 50% increase in fuel - which should comprehesively take out the leading plugs, then just to fisnish her off at 18PSI a further timing advance of 7 degrees (with only the trailing plugs struggling to work at this point!).

Now the big question is why? That wasn\'t put in by me, Geff or John and whatsmore I should never have seen those anyway as the mapping to 10PSI was safe and we were running off the 8PSI wastegate spring, but the dodgy upper boost map is what killed it!

see you should just map all the cells at all boost levels only way to be sure lol
Lucky for me when Geff mapped my Motec he put good values in all my cells originally back in July when I was running off wastegate spring , i put my boost controller and I forgot to zero all the values I hit 1.4 bar on the old settings :eek on the way to Rotorpop lucky the map was safe in all areas

yeah I agree, thing is by the time we got the flooding sorted at REWorx Geff had about 45mins to put a safe map on the car!

Did John do some tuning for you at Rotorstock afterwards?

yes, he had a look at the map, leaned out the idle a bit, looked at 12PSI, 14PSI, 20PSI, 18PSI and was mid way through either 14 or 18 before looking at 16 when his laptop died! He did find a few odd things in the map but nothing really scary, but if he never got to 16 then that would explain the over fueling and the bit advance step. Still I guess I should have mothballed the car until I\'d saved my pennies to map it fully, but I thought I\'d be ok running off the wastegate. Very difficult when it was off the road so long!

Here\'s the mean green machines dyno graph.

rgds
Brian

lucky its running race gas, AFRS like that..is a dream for Pump fuel

No wonder that thing\'s so quick.  Very nice!

looks like Chris Impeys old dyno graph has been beaten buy Robrs!!!

Rob\'s FD machine attained a figure of 599.5 at wheels!!! 705 at the flywheel, awesomo!!!!! 13B of course :D

599.9 actually :D

Has Rob scanned the dyno sheet yet? I heard torque was through the roof as well

i have it on my phone ill upload it later, massive dropoff from the rew mani\'s and wastegate spring, plenty more to come when we switch to race fuel :D

maybe another big power street car will be born later today aswell

Quote from: DRAGON;392687Not going to bother, tried it once, I didnt like mappping on the dyno.
Not interested in dynos at all.
If someone tells me they have 500hp im not not that impressed, but if they say they have a 130mph terminal then I am impressed!

Words from a wise man indeed ! :Typing:InLove

That quote is a blast from the past. Well I used to run 133 terminals, but I thought that wasn\'t enough 142 is going in the right direction

Quote from: rbs14a;719241That quote is a blast from the past. Well I used to run 133 terminals, but I thought that wasn\'t enough 142 is going in the right direction

Was that today Rob?

yes from sat mate, was picking up 34mph from the 8th to the qtr, final drive gearing is too short so terminals will be about 5mph down

10.00 @ 142 with a 1.7 60\', plenty more to come :)

Quote from: mx1311;719331yes from sat mate, was picking up 34mph from the 8th to the qtr, final drive gearing is too short so terminals will be about 5mph down
 
10.00 @ 142 with a 1.7 60\', plenty more to come :)

Great times congrats to all involved:Thumbs-up

Gary G done a good time as well 9.5 @ 143mph, a PB for him I think
James did a big terminal as well over 140
So massive power being developed by Rob,James and Gary

How did you and stu get on?

hahahah glad you brought that up Lee
Well me and Stu lined up against each other on Saturday, they held us sooo long when we staged (something going on top track), then when it went green I feel asleep and Stu took off, two seconds later I decide to go, Stu had trouble getting second correctly, I hauled him at the 1000ft marker level pegging I surged past him and took the win by 0.1222 of a second.
I clocked 11.2 @ 1 bar he did 13.1 due to his mishift.

I went on did a final run of the day and clocked a 10.95 @ 126 @ 1.2 bar my first 10 since I put the cage in this year

Nice one.
Bet it feels good to get back in the 10,s

yip for a while I thought I lost it !!!
big smile when I hit it, I just knew it was a 10

Quote from: BlitzBoy;719363yip for a while I thought I lost it !!!
big smile when I hit it, I just knew it was a 10

Well done Mark.... as we spoke yesterday mate; get tht bumper sorted:burnout


and also very well done to all the rest of rotary boys :Thumbs-up

Have only just found this thread. Have just been looking at the top twenty table blitz, isn\'t chris impy running a bit more boost now? 2 bar?

Have you noticed any difference in your car with the cage blitz? Does it feel more solid?

yip the table is out of date, might get around to updating it one day lol

Yes a lot more traction and less flex, hence why I been breaking stuff this year.
But finally dialed in my launch technique with the cage  so I should be hitting regular tens again

what has been breaking? gearboxs or diffs? due to more power being delivered to the tarmac? what are your plans for the car in the long run? tubbed back end or are you keeping it streetable?
 
running tens is brilliant, best i managed at rotorstock was a 13.06 on my twins but that was the first ever drag racing i have done, reckon i could have got into the 12s if i stayed longer but my gear box started making whinning noises and had to get home so i stopped. I have just ordered a gt4088 so will hopeully crack 12 easily.

Driveshafts, and at Rotorstock input shaft on the gearbox, the diff wont break as I have a Kazz 1.5 way lsd

no tubbing keeping the IRS to be streetable, more tuning over the winter for higher boost hopefully crack 500rwhp

How much more psi are you going for? 500 rwhp is nuts. What is the car weighing at now? Even with the cage I bet it\'s lighter than my car.

It amazes me the difference in uk rotary hp figuresand times compared to the Aussies. 500rwhp seems to be minimum for a slow drag car over there, even rx3\'s embarrass our best our fastest rotor.

Hopefully if people keep pushing development we will have some really nuts rotaries.

Are you running wi or are you on race gas? Or neither?

Well UK dyno 500rwhp will be enough for high a 9 second run if I nail the 60fts again.

Well last time it got weighed with me in it and some fuel I think it was circa 1250 kilos, I weigh 90 kilos so about 1160, have dropped some weight since that weigh in, lost the carpets and the heater unit, have a heated screen now, so hopefully around the 1130-1140 kilo range now.

I should hit 500rwhp at 22 psi, target is 28 psi.

I use 99 vpower to a third of race gas to keep it safe, but tbh honest at 1.2 bar it does not need it,I run straight pump at 1.1 bar for the road, will use 50:50 pump and race gas at 22psi, I will be installing the WI back on for the higher boost

28psi should be close to 700bhp if my brief calculations are correct.  That\'s a lot of power whichever way you look at it.  I do like a bit of HKS Drag series so it\'ll be good to see another quick rotary!

im sorry to bring this thread from the dead... But are you saying he should make 200 more hp with 6 more psi???  If thats the case, then i need to go to him for rotary advise..

I think Will was talking about flywheel hp , 700 flywheel should be approx 600 rear wheel hp

Posting James Willaday new power graph , awesome work by Jaydee and Kerim.
13B REW Full Bridge , big fduk off turbo!!!

532.5 Rear Wheel HP @ 0.8bar!!!!

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p261/marco72_album/jameswilladay.jpg)

Now thats impressive, well done to all involved :Thumbs-up

Wow, how is that even possible...? :) Nice =D

Quote from: re japi;757011Wow, how is that even possible...? :) Nice =D

It\'s called not having 0.8 bar boost till ~6500rpm! Large Turbine wheel and housing = less pumping losses against the engine and you can make big power at high revs with lowish boost.............. only problem is mid range is non existent and IF you try this on the street with quick transient response it would not make its full boost till 8000rpm or so especially in 1st, 2nd or maybe even 3rd gear as no where near as much load is applied as is on an artificial dyno run.

On the road this set up would be totally crap :)

On a drag strip with all the correct ancillaries it would be o.k. :Thumbsup!

Given it\'s an engine in a 9 second drag racer, albeit a road legal one, I doubt he\'s too concerned with the low rev flexibility.

Quote from: Will66;757015Given it\'s an engine in a 9 second drag racer, albeit a road legal one, I doubt he\'s too concerned with the low rev flexibility.

Lets not sugar coat it, that motor would get beaten by a Datsun 120Y at any revs below 6000rpm lol. It would NEVER work in any road car, or with any road exhaust system, by work I mean fast. :Hammer

Classic case of way too big a turbo used :WaveBye

But its a drag car :confused:

Adam

It\'s all about being fit for purpose.
 
The purpose of this car is to cover 1/4 mile as quickly as it can within the rules of its series.  I\'ve seen it run and it\'s damn impressive, it may well not be able to pull the skin off a rice pudding at low revs but it covers the 1/4 mile in 9.98 seconds (it did it on TV too) so I\'d say that his choice of turbo is pretty good for its purpose.

Agreed :Thumbs-up

yes the engine/turbo config is built for purpose of drag racing, obviously on normal roads you would have a totally different configuration. He has a HKS dog box to help keep him high in the revs.

He is looking top hit mid to low 9s this year

BTH Driving the car on the street it is no where near as laggy as it looks on the Dyno, it has "full" 0.8 bar by 4600 rpm, i will try and take a in car video driving and maybe with a map trace to show the boost curve, even on a partial throttle the car pulls surprisingly well. btw the turbo is a 72mm inducer not as big as people think.

Quote from: RICE RACING;757012It\'s called not having 0.8 bar boost till ~6500rpm! Large Turbine wheel and housing = less pumping losses against the engine and you can make big power at high revs with lowish boost.............. only problem is mid range is non existent and IF you try this on the street with quick transient response it would not make its full boost till 8000rpm or so especially in 1st, 2nd or maybe even 3rd gear as no where near as much load is applied as is on an artificial dyno run.

On the road this set up would be totally crap :)

On a drag strip with all the correct ancillaries it would be o.k. :Thumbsup!

I can see the point of Rice, and also of the Jaydee. But, in my underdevelopment experience, which is getting development offcourse, I think, the statement of "fit for purpose" will be seen once the Car is shown in action...

The graph shows a lot and If I am not mistaken, Rice was suggesting his point of view on the figures shown in the Dyno Sheet.

Jaydee, has yet to provide the video to prove his point of "laggy" business...

Syed

the car is already fit for purpose nothing to prove :confused:, it has already run 9s with this engine and turbo last year, James did win the HKS Street class in 2010.

Quote from: JayDee;757128BTH Driving the car on the street it is no where near as laggy as it looks on the Dyno, it has "full" 0.8 bar by 4600 rpm, i will try and take a in car video driving and maybe with a map trace to show the boost curve, even on a partial throttle the car pulls surprisingly well. btw the turbo is a 72mm inducer not as big as people think.

That would be good.

Don\'t take my typed words the wrong way (for everyone).

What frame turbo is it? what specs? (Turbine & Housing).

I\'d like to see what boost it will make accelerating through 2nd gear and say a 3rd gear roll on from 4000rpm, From my experience of dynos at that power level and used in shoot out mode, it will be over 1000rpm laggier in lower gears as I type above.

If its driven up a hill in 4th gear or loaded up excessively then it may make boost sooner than on the dyno sheet :Thumbsup! Transient response will however be bad, but that is not the point of the car or the set up so all this .... is irrelevant lol.

Good ............no................ GREAT POWER :god

Quote from: JayDee;757128BTH Driving the car on the street it is no where near as laggy as it looks on the Dyno, it has "full" 0.8 bar by 4600 rpm, i will try and take a in car video driving and maybe with a map trace to show the boost curve, even on a partial throttle the car pulls surprisingly well. btw the turbo is a 72mm inducer not as big as people think.

borg warner s472 with a 96mm turbine wheel and a 1.32 a/r rear end?

new power figures for James Willday\'s Powergains car, same boost more power
580rwhp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtStW1Vs4-A

Nice ! :Thumbs-up

say no more:yes:yes:Thumbsup! turn up the boost Jay:3gears-rh

:) very impressive... what kind of torque she made?

new PBs for me and James on terminal speeds in the quarter, 131mph for me and a massive 146mph for James

Very Nice :D

Shaun

I\'m a bit bored as work so thought i\'d read through some old school trheads from back in the day. this thread from back to front is absolutely hilarious, I had forgotten how funny this forum was back in the day.


rgds
Brian

Had a great time at The Worx garage today.

After prolonged battle with my mind, I finally convinced myself to put my 20b on the Dyno!! I was happy with a result.

I made 520BHP at only 0.7 Bar a Boost and at 6500 RPM. The guy who was working on the Dyno said, my car can produce alot more, If I sort out my fueling as I was running almost lean! I just can\'t thank Allah enough and above all a very big thanks to WGT!

Video to follow!

For now enjoy the picture!!:cheers

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Mir

Good stuff. Now turn up the boost you wimp and get near to the 1,000 you want. I was at pips the other week and talked about your car. From what I managed to squeeze out of him ( he wouldn\'t tell me much ) you are looking at a huge amount of money for 26B twin turbo. He wouldn\'t say exact but I would guess that £50,000 isn\'t far off?

Your gear box alone will be in the region of 6-10,000 alone.

I would say save your money and finish the 20B

Quote from: Grant Monkhouse;792992Good stuff. Now turn up the boost you wimp and get near to the 1,000 you want. I was at pips the other week and talked about your car. From what I managed to squeeze out of him ( he wouldn\'t tell me much ) you are looking at a huge amount of money for 26B twin turbo. He wouldn\'t say exact but I would guess that £50,000 isn\'t far off?
 
Your gear box alone will be in the region of 6-10,000 alone.
 
I would say save your money and finish the 20B

Yes, 50k is not far off :o. Well its going to be a long project and we will be working on it slowly!
 
Cheers
Mir

so what was the wheel power syed?.....deffo need that wastegate mate ...the boost is all over the place.

Exactly Ed mate! I need that wastegate off you! The wheel power? I dont really know! We called off the session in the middle as the engine was going lean (AFR 14.5)! Once I get that wastegate off you and Pip remaps it for me, I would know for definite the exact power of the Car. By the looks of it, (and I am happy to be corrected), I think I will have 700HP reliable at just 1 Bar of a Boost.
 
Cheers
Mir

YOU TUBE LINK
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN86iGAcXbI
 
Sorry about the Video Qaulity! bloody Iphone!!
Mir

Thats awesome!!! :) Dammit, im so jealous... ;)

It\'s obviously in the early stages of development but that\'s a hell of a lot of power and torque!  Sounds awesome too!

The boost is probably just where they got the signal from as to why it is spikey,but it is stable, I would be more worried as to why it was the run was not aborted when the afr got to 12.5 to 13 when the graph is going sky high like it is

Quote from: Ed_RX7;792997so what was the wheel power syed?.....deffo need that wastegate mate ...the boost is all over the place.

Ed about 430 real power