....Realiably.... i know its a piece of string.... I have a full bridgeport on my car.... all the supporting mods.... im running 509fwhp at 1 bar.. Just wondered if i\'d be shooting too high... Thoughts guys?
im running 550bhp at 1.15 bar on tesco and mine is fine. Problem with turning up boost is quality of fuel and i know a few on here mix a bit of race fuel in when turning boost up to be safe
Quote from: AshRX;531224im running 550bhp at 1.15 bar on tesco and mine is fine. Problem with turning up boost is quality of fuel and i know a few on here mix a bit of race fuel in when turning boost up to be safe
Thanks Mate, Im taking it to reworx a week on Saturday.. so we will see how she handles a little more boost.. i run mine on v-power.....
ill be suprised if they map it past 1.3 while your there
i dont think i\'d want to take that risk on pump....... i guess its more arround 1.1 to 1.2 ...
your be fine
Read my SIG............ near enough.:Thumbs-up
Thats 20,000 miles on only one of the two boost settings. Which is FULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Boooooooooost 575 bhp.:InLove
just curious but whats the motec like over the pfc?
There is no comparison, it is much more tuneable, you can iron out all the lumps thats with the Apexi, make it so much smoother in its drive and delivery. It opens up a whole load of options that you could never have with Apexi, and it will also give you more info about whats going on in your engine.
It lie the difference between a Mondeo and a Noble, both got the same engine and the wheels go round.
We ran a stock mazda engine at 1.6/7bar for over a year on a T78 with a mad customer driver always doing top speed runs! Pump fuel, eventaully blew on one rotor when boost spiked up to 1.9 for some reason.
Quote from: g11ary;531295There is no comparison, it is much more tuneable, you can iron out all the lumps thats with the Apexi, make it so much smoother in its drive and delivery. It opens up a whole load of options that you could never have with Apexi, and it will also give you more info about whats going on in your engine.
It lie the difference between a Mondeo and a Noble, both got the same engine and the wheels go round.
As Gary said...........the Motec is from a different planet. Mapability, Traction Control, Launch Control, Data Logging etc etc etc and oh so Smooth in it\'s power delivery at low end and it just keeps going all through the rev\'s. The Dogs B******\'s. HTH.
and dont forget about the F Con Gold. I asked Jeff about this and he said no different to the Motec...apart from finding people to map them, where the Motec is a lot easier to find mappers
is there a big difference in price between a motec and an apexi then guys ?
depends which model of Motec, I have the rotary model MR2 based on the M4 costs just under a grand, where as the Apexi if you can stil buy them are just under 600
so almost twice the price then !!
twice the price would be 1200 lol :rollin
Remember if you tuning the Apexi yourself you would have to add a couple of hundred for the datalogit. The motec comes with the software and connector for a laptop already, so not too different, The motec does give you more resolution (more cells) which in turn gives you a more smoother map, the max power you get from both will probably be the same, all depends on who tunes it.
i can add up beeatch hence "almost" being the key word.....
;-)
So all in all a preferred choice if you have no custom ecu or controller already, but if you already have an apexi then a little less justifiable ??
what is the resolution on an apexi out of interest?
Quote from: dboy;531421i can add up beeatch hence "almost" being the key word.....
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So all in all a preferred choice if you have no custom ecu or controller already, but if you already have an apexi then a little less justifiable ??
If you have an Apexi then stick with it, if you are still stock then go Motec M2R as the after sales support is very good and its current, where as Apexi god knows what happening with that company if you have a problem
Quote from: Jit;531424what is the resolution on an apexi out of interest?
20 x 20 cells
thats like better than microtech too isnt it? so why do some people favour the microtech over the apexi?
Microtech you can put it into any rotary like the Motec, the Apexi is only for the FD and thats it, so in theory I could move my Motec into an FC,FB,custom drag two rotor just make up the harness to go with it
Plus Motec you can define how many boost\\vacuum rows you want depending on what map sensor you fit eg 2 BAR,3 BAR etc.
The Microtech has a built in map sensor normally 2.5 bar I think cant be too sure though Timmy or Kev (FD3UK) would know, so if you want to go real high boost eg 28 psi you would have spec the Microtech model before you buy it so it will cover those wanted boost levels/cells
you can run apexi and fcon together for a just as good altenative to motec
colum
I think the initial outlay for any ecu is minimal compared to how much it costs to get the mapping done, not so bad for someone who builds a fast car and is happy with just that, but for someone who is constantly changing then the money can stack up quick with mapping sessions.
I used to love watching some of my cars on the dyno, but for some reason I cringe everytime one of my rotary\'s goes on it..... :D
Must confess i used to love seeing my Ducati 998 on the dyno and counting the number of car alarms that used to get set off when the needle went up around the 8,000 rpm, do miss that beast, she had almost 165bhp at the rear wheel before she got nicked. not bad for somit that weight about 260 kilos i suppose ;-)
Bit nervous about sticking my rex on the dyno for mapping though..... mind you go to buy one first ;-) wont be long now i am sure. Think i might have found "The One for Me"
I use a GM 3BAR map sensor with my Apexi PFC. I think there are 8 different PIM setups to run what ever map sensor you want.
I have never seen the workings of the Motec system, So I have no right to comment on them. I love my Apexi, seems to work just fine.
You need to sum up what you ant from your car. motec is awesome, but its around the 1000 mark where Apexis have been changing hands for 350, there is no factory support but lots of tuners can tune them. The Motec, Microtech will also cost for wiring as they are not plug and play, you will need to have the wiring made, which from experience can cost as much as the ECU depending on how many sensors you want to add, as Motec can do steering angle, g forces, tyre heat, traction control, launch control, you name it Motec can be configured for it, it can even disable your car as an immobiliser.
So Motec can be 3-4 times the price of someonethat just wants a plug and tune ecu and generally are happy to have it tuned for them
But given the choice Id still have Motec every time or maybe Pectel if money was no object.
does the motec have any worth while protection? unlike the PFC?
again depends on the model, I would have to ask Geff if you can hook up the knock sensor for it to retard ignition like the stock ecu, you may need to go for the M400 for that though.
The MR2 you can my the wiring harness adapter to plug into the existing loom about £150, myslef I just paid to have a whole new custom loom in the end at just over £300, got rid off the old engine harness and all its surplus plugs I didnt need, must tidier install, Reworx did a good job.
My advice is you are looking for just moderate mods and its street driven with a bit of track work stick with an Apexi if you have one. If you serious about circuit work, power, smootness, with loads of options to grow etc and dont have an ECU at present go MOTEC
I find it strange why you guys dont think the PFC is smooth. Am I missing the point here or is there a smoother than smooth setup that a PFC cant do?
I dont get it.:3Confused
I driven my car on both ECUs Apexi and Motec, so from my own experiance the car feels more lively and responsive on the throttle with the Motec, you need to try both really, its like sex with women, one girl you might say wow that was great then you try another girl and she blows you away :rollin
Trust you to bring that into it lol
But he is correct......the M400 Pro is fantastic.:yes
I have the MR2 btw
and different women are fantastic to lol
Quote from: BlitzBoy;532583I have the MR2 btw
and different (shemale) women are fantastic to lol
didnt know you were into that but each to their own :Giggle :Giggle
Quote from: karl_tate;532720didnt know you were into that but each to their own , i like to bum men myself, i like a mans big chest:Giggle :Giggle
Karl there is loads of gay clubs in Brighton for ya :rollin