Dam these clutches!
I just spent an hour trying to get the thing to dissenguage and it seems to be stuck solid!
I have got the inspection cover open and tried 1 & 2 screw drivers up there to push the collar in and it just isn\'t moving.
I have watched the youtube video and the collar seems to push in very easy on that but mine just isn\'t going anywhere!
Am I doing something wrong? Anyone got any tips? Thought this should be the easy bit! :spank:Giggle
Ricco :3Confused
i assume you are either taking the engine out or changing the clutch...why not just unbolt the pressure plate from the flywheel...6 bolts
You know I never even gave it a thought. It looked so easy on the videos :rolleyes:
Silly question then, The 6 bolts are done through the inspection cover?
yeh thru the inspection cover....its easier ifyou have an assistant turn the engine over on the front pulley for you and then hold it in the right place from the top rather than wedging screwdrivers against the dowels on the flywheel....
Ahhh ha! Nice one. Thats the plan for tomorrow morning then :yes
Thanks Jit, you are a lifesaver! :Thumbs-up
you will need to release the slave cylinder so that the pressure will be released off the clutch fork.
Cheers Dave.
Going to have a go in a bit, need bacon buttie first :mmmm
Don\'t do the daft thing I did when re-installing the setup. I forgot to reclip the assembly back together and spurted oil all over the inside of the clutch housing ! Then I ended up completely removing the gearbox for no reason.
It is much easier to do it that way because you don\'t need to move the gearbox too far away to change the friction plate. First time I left the cover clipped on and rebolted it up from the inspection cover. No alignment headaches then !
Shaun
I just end up spending ages and ages bolting it back up again. That can be a bit of a pain sometimes.....so put a mark on the clutck and flywheel so you know how to line them back up again. Trust me, it\'ll save you hours of swearing!!
Oh I have had hours of swearing already! I cant believe it\'s taking me this long :rolleyes:
So anyway, I have removed the 6 bolts :) (great - although had a surprise on that the main/eccentric shaft nut actually started to undoo, was a pain in the ass on the FC to undoo! - good job this engine will be stripped!)
But I still cant release the gearbox from the engine. I know im forgetting to do something but I just cant think!?!?!?!?!?!?!? :3Confused
I have been over and around this thing now for too long, my brain hurts! (and back, arms etc :Giggle)
So - the bolts are all undone? That should be all that\'s required to seperate gearbox from engine. Unless you\'ve left some bell housing bolts in?
Have you got a gap between engine and gearbox?
Oh good, im not going mad then! :o
Yeah, all 6 bolts are off. There is about a 5mm ish gap betwene bell housing and engine but still not seperating.
All 5 bell housing bolts are out (1 long bolt) - now you gonna tell me there is more! :Giggle
Have you removed the starter motor?
Yeah, thats out :)
Has the clutch plate actually started moving away from the flywheel?
(Also, have you removed the wiring from the gearbox?)
There is still a fair bit of slack on the wiring, so I was hoping to undo that when the box drops down a bit (cant get my hand in there properly yet)
The clutch cover and the friction plate I can move away from the flywheel but it seems to still be attached by the pull type thing in the middle :(
Have you removed the clutch slave ?? Mine pulled away ok once it was going.
Shaun
It will still look attached. The sprung plate will come away with the gearbox. Nothing should be holding it together.
Shaun
I\'ll have another check once the rain goes away. Sure I took that off :3Confused :spank
Probably best its raining as im getting a little frustrated, how can I make an engine swap last 3 full days :spank:spank:spank:Giggle
Have you got the gearbox supported? If not, the gearbox will drop slightly and the clutch will catch on the flywheel, thus not enabling you to pull it away. You have to support the gearbox when you seperate the two: in fact, not only support it, but jack it up as high as it will go.
Also, you should be able to remove the wiring with the gearbox in situ.
(Are you removing the engine, or the gearbox?)
Ricco,
I\'ve completed this task for the first time recently.
Ok so all bolts/clutch cylinder/starter motor removed, I could unplug the wiring from the harnesses (three connections) with the gearbox still fully located as the wiring connections are mounted half way down the gearbox body on the oil filler side.
Have you removed the gearstick assembly ?
Then as I was working on my own, I took the full load of the gearbox on a trolley jack and had to use a lot of pulling and wobbling to disengate the spline shaft from the clutch plate.
As the gearbox comes free, the jack needs lowering bit by bit to avoid the bulkhead.
Its very heavy and mine fell off the jack for the last half meter to ground level, but I had surrounded the whole area in layers of old carpets, padding and rags etc just in case it did fall off the jack.
Hope this helps and good luck,
PS I did mine in the pouring rain, so I bought a cheap Gazebo with two removable sides and put that over the middle/front of the car.
Still got wet from rain passing under the car, but not as wet as being in direct rain.
i did mine within 2 mins of looking at it, it was very easy to release so may be you have a problem with it, did you have any clutch issues??
i also did this within the last 2 weeks.
i had a long screw driver wedged towards the back and levered it towards the car and pop it went.
Cheers folks - there are quite a few items for me to have a go with tomorrow.
Im removing the engine (low compression & shot tubbie oil seals) I didn\'t want to remove the gearbox but I can see me having too in the end :S Its really frustrating me cause I did the FC one with out even a thought :Laugh
I did start with a trolley jack under the gearbox but I was just supporting the weight - didnt think it would have to be brought higher!
I traced the wire ontop of the gearbox to a clip to hold the wire in place and then it went out of sight - I assumed this stayed on the top. Must have a better look tomorrow then :)
I didnt have any clutch issues, it was pretty sweet to be honest so hopefully the issue is just me!
Thanks for the input guys, I really appreciate the help :Thumbs-up
if you got a gap, then you defo got all the bellhousing bolts out (5 in total and one long one on the starter)...
Way i do it is jack the gearbox up at the back to raise it....
Actually heres a thought....engine mounts....check to see if they are caught in the subframe. Once the engines up in the air, i usually undo the legs from the engine so the mounts fall down off the engine giving you enough clearance to pull it forward
Cool :)
I have hoisted the motor up a bit and the studs have come through the subframe so are at least clear - drop legs off seems good idea too :)
Plan of action for tomorrow :
Trace plugs on gearbox & undo them
Jack up gearbox from the rear
Hopefully this seperates engine & gearbox
Position engine craine and begin lift
Remove engine mounts (if they look like snagging)
Im sure thats all that is left (hasnt changed in 2 days work :() Once it is out I will feel a lot better :D
Fingers crossed - day starts with more bacon butties (importand for proper strength :Giggle)
other things you might wanna check which ive seen left on before....
throttle cable, water line from bulhead to rear plate, gearbox loom...
remember the downpip will snag a fair bit on the bellhousing as well....i got little hands so i just remove it first..
On mine there\'s a "Pinch" bolt hidden above the downpipe to cat that clamps the tail of the down pipe to the gearbox.
Quote from: Jit;521117if you got a gap, then you defo got all the bellhousing bolts out (5 in total and one long one on the starter)...
Way i do it is jack the gearbox up at the back to raise it....
Actually heres a thought....engine mounts....check to see if they are caught in the subframe. Once the engines up in the air, i usually undo the legs from the engine so the mounts fall down off the engine giving you enough clearance to pull it forward
This one got me the last time I took my engine out. The passenger side engine mount caught on the sub frame, but i didn\'t know it. I just couldn\'t figure out for the life of me why everytime I tried to lift the engine it would pivot about on the spark plug side. Eventually I worked it out and the engine popped out no troubles. So deffo check your mounts and undo them if possible.
The gearbox eletrics should be easy: there\'s 2 10mm bolts that holds this plate on that all the plugs attach to. Undo those and drop the plate down. This makes access to the plugs easier, and you can undo them. Then there;s about two metal clips that hold the loom above the gearbox: these can just be unbent to release the loom. Then just pull that through and through on top of the engine.
I love you all! :Thumbsup!
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I got some proper rest and boy did that help! :D
I was being a tit with the gearbox wiring - 1st job this morning - 5 mins including the 2 hooks :spank
Checked around the engine and all was undone that needed to be.
Scratches head and thinks of when Top Gear built the Cateram - Ahhhhh the Pianist - "garage is on the kok" (or drive in my case!)
Dropped the car as low as possable, and gave the engine a yank! YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Out she comes! :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party :Party
Thank you guys, you have really helped in my days of need ;) :Thumbs-up:Thumbs-up:Thumbs-up
Excellent! Glad to see you sorted it eventually. You now only have one week to sort it for rotorstock! :D
You gonna take it to RS mate? Let me know if you want me to pop down. Have you built the TII engine up yet?
TII shortblock is all built. I stopped as I was waiting for a new oil pump chain from Mazda.
Gonna be ar RS if I can get it done on time. Need MOT (few things to do for that) , Remap, & 4 new tires for the new wheels
The "Complete" engine I brought was missing several clips, pipes, broken connectors etc Also missing the power steering assembly and aircon assembly. So im transferring that over and cant undo the powersteering pulley - which is now broken :rollin
Time for my new thread - "Frigging Power Steering Pulley!" :WaveBye
tbf if im sending out an engine, i wont send it out with PAS or aircon either. I leave them in the car when i remove the engine...for some reason you havent...which means you will have had to drain a bit of PAS fluid but more critically at some point you will have discharged the aircon!
Power steering pulley...well if you aint got a gun then its usually gonna end in tears im afraid. I break it off deliberately when i dont have a gun...just saves the hassle lol! I got plenty stock of used good pullies for that eventuality! (drop me a line if you need one...you can have it if you pay the postage)
Thanks mate - will probably contact you later then :)
I did use an airgun but it was spinning round. I tried a couple other ways but in the end it went kaput!
Didnt think about disconnection the powersteering & aircon :spank (aircon was already out of gas, which helped :))
Quote from: Ricco_04;521318Thanks mate - will probably contact you later then :)
I did use an airgun but it was spinning round. I tried a couple other ways but in the end it went kaput!
Try undoing it with the belt tensioned really tight. Should zip straight off:Thumbs-up Just make sure you dont put too much tension on the belt when the engine is running, otherwise you\'ll damage the bearings.
Unfortunately the pulley destroyed itself into 3 main chuncks - thankfully not imbedded in my head :Giggle
So now im doen to the small metal serfice & the nut. :flamed
I tried mole grips on it - really tight, as tight as I could get them but they slipped off :rolleyes:
Sorry Jit - I forgot to ask for your email address?!!? :o
will prob get deleted but its Lsun69@aol.com... or search for my email address on one of my old FS threads :D
Thanks fella - I got it, sending you email over now!
And I got the remains of the pulley off too! :Giggle Swap my injectors over tomorrow now then :D :yes