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Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: RedRummy on July 02, 2008, 10:07:25 AM
Oops..

Just changed my rear tyres.... used to have 245/45 17 but thought I\'d go for something wider and put on 255/40 17..  (was Contintental Sport Contact 2, are now Eagle F1\'s)

Now the back end feels really unstable at speed... feels pretty unsafe.

Feels like the tyres are moving about on the rims.... if you know what I mean.. (doubt they are, but it feels weird)

Not sure of the offset/width of these rims, but it should be able to handle a jump from 245/45 to 255/40 no?

Not sure if it has only affected the tracking and that needs sorting out or what. ... :reallymad
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: AshRX on July 02, 2008, 10:15:28 AM
might need balancing mate thats all
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: SmbFD3S on July 02, 2008, 10:19:19 AM
What size width are the wheels, 8.5 or 9.5??
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: logicalChimp on July 02, 2008, 10:32:00 AM
Don\'t forget that the profile of the car will have changed as well...

The back of the car will now be ~8mm lower - this may be affecting airflow etc, causing the rear to become unstable...
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: RedRummy on July 02, 2008, 10:56:43 AM
ok, thanks..  not sure on the width of the wheels... and I paid for balancing etc when I got them done.... grrrrr

need to get the tracking all sorted too - had a new set of Tein SS put on a week ago...  

Don\'t think I drive fast enough for the aerodynamics to have changed hthat much  :)
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: Prof on July 02, 2008, 11:01:38 AM
If the tyre is too wide for the rim then it will allow \'wobble\' from side to side as they will be like balloons on the rear.
 
According to the tyre bible:
 
http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible_pg2.html
 
...your ideal rim for that size tyre will be between 8.5" and 10" (9 is ideal)
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: Matt_K on July 02, 2008, 11:47:53 AM
F1\'s come with a silicone release agent \'coating\' on the tyre from new, whenever i\'ve fitted F1\'s they\'ve felt really unstable for a while until it\'s scrubbed off.

Big burnout required :D
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: shaunwil on July 02, 2008, 12:53:20 PM
255/40/17 is the right size of tyre for the car. As said just may be too narrow a wheel !

Shaun
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: RedRummy on July 02, 2008, 12:57:05 PM
not sure of the width... how can I check - is it printed on the inner rim?

or can I measure from rim edge to rim edge?

I knew about the greasy coating... first thing I did was do a small burnout :D
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: mpk490p on July 02, 2008, 01:05:43 PM
good website Dave :chat
the width should be stamped on the inside of the wheel

Mark
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: RedRummy on July 02, 2008, 01:18:28 PM
ok, thanks all.

Back to the tyres centre then... cos I know the tyre should fit fine.

bloody muppets... got them all-inclusive through blackcircles.com as well.
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: Nik da Greek on July 02, 2008, 02:02:20 PM
They\'ve got to be better than those "racing slicks" with the staple stuck in one that you had on before, chap, surely! :D

Different makes obviously have different characteristics, maybe the Eagles just have a softer sidewall than the Continentals or something? If it\'s a balancing issue, the easiest way to check is go really fast, the faster you go, the worse it\'ll feel, and really bad balancing will sart up a pronounced feeling of vibration that gets more obvious as the speed increases. Obviously, you may not want to try this if it feels really dangerous already, but you\'ll know before you hit warp speed if its this! Try fiddling with the tyre pressures a bit, may help too
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: RedRummy on July 02, 2008, 03:15:47 PM
Those continentals were great... even as almost slicks...  :)

The rear end wobble definitely gets worse with speed... going in a straight line is ok, but its very hard to keep it straight cos it makes the steering very twitchy and when it twiches the back end wobbles.

really dodgy!
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: Nik da Greek on July 02, 2008, 10:08:52 PM
Definitely sounds like sh!te balancing to me, dude. Eagle F1s are very good tyres, should be very stable at speed.
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: Ricco_04 on July 02, 2008, 10:19:39 PM
Just to add another one is that maybe they got them mixed up and the rotation is facing the wrong way? (maybe 1 maybe both?)

Only a possable but least its easy to check :)
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: RedRummy on July 02, 2008, 10:53:35 PM
rotation is all good.

guess I\'ll go back and get em checked.

Havne\'t got time for all this faffin about...  :(
Title: Wrong size tyres?
Post by: RedRummy on July 04, 2008, 07:26:34 PM
went back to the garage today to get the balancing checked...

Turns out it was out by a little, but not really enough to make the wobbling I was getting, was talking to the garage about it and we reckon it was because the wheel wasn\'t put on properly...

I didn\'t realise, but I have 5mm spacers on (how did I not notice that!!) which reduce the space available for the wheel to sit on the centre spigot. Reckon the wheel was aligned properly when put on

Gonna have to get some of those spacers with the spigot built in.