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Title: which IC would be suitable for my mods ?
Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 04:14:05 PM
Hi All

Some of you know that I have had a full engine re-build done ONLY 200miles ago by Powergains Motor Sport. Still running it….

I am in the market for an IC unit and would like some advice which IC would be suitable for my mods, it needs to be:

1) Reliable
2) Would not cost an arm and a leg second hand
3) Look the business with hard pipes, I have a number of seriously shiny bits under the bonnet and would like something what looks good.  I have polished plenium, thermostat housing, water pump housing, boost pipe,

I have a 96 RB Bathurst still twin turbo and my mods are

De cat silenced mid pipe form dragon
HKS Super Dragger Exhaust
No Air Pump, Greddy pulleys
Apexi pfc
HKS Racing Suction Kit with hard pipes
Blitz BOV

Any recommendations? Pictures of your engine bay with the IC would be very welcome    

Is any one selling something suitable?

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 21, 2008, 04:30:19 PM
My Greddy would love great under your bonnet michael. I posted a for sale thread on here so i suppose it\'s still in the members section till next week. It\'s in great condition. A little dirty could do with a polish with some autosol, but it would mate upto a polished Y pipe niceley.I also have the stainless air duct that fixes to the front although this is not in the pics. Your\'s for £220 delivered. I bought this off jeff at hayward rotary last year for £300
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/RobbieRx-7/Photo-0012.jpg)
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/RobbieRx-7/Photo-0011.jpg)
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Post by: allstaruk on March 21, 2008, 04:41:58 PM
Good intercooler that, needs some ducting to get the most from it but thats just more shiney stuff to go with it, fair price for it too.
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 04:51:57 PM
Hello Robbie

Thanks for the reply and the offer

Let me ‘shop around a little’ before I commit my self to a unit.  TBH I am not in a rush as I have just coffed up for a re-build having set that do you have better pictures of your IC or any other pictures of that model?

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: jm-garage.co.uk on March 21, 2008, 04:54:28 PM
for what you have a large core stock mount, Greddy, ARC or Knightsports. Better cooling over stock but without the lag of a massive front mount. If your feeling very rich V-mount.
 
Cheers
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Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 21, 2008, 04:55:12 PM
I have somewhere mate, i\'ll have to dig them out. Ive gotta remove my front bumper this weekend, so whilst im at it, i\'ll get this off the car and give it a little clean and some better pics.
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 04:55:18 PM
what are the measurements?

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 05:02:51 PM
Quote from: RobbieRX-7I have somewhere mate, i\'ll have to dig them out. Ive gotta remove my front bumper this weekend, so whilst im at it, i\'ll get this off the car and give it a little clean and some better pics.

thanks mate, BTW I hope you have a garage as it raining here...

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: jm-garage.co.ukfor what you have a large core stock mount, Greddy, ARC or Knightsports. Better cooling over stock but without the lag of a massive front mount. If your feeling very rich V-mount.
 
Cheers

thanks for that, is the stuff on your site?  TBH I am after a second hand but shiny unit...

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 21, 2008, 05:13:59 PM
This will give you an idea of what it\'ll look like all polished up. I also have the same AST as in the pic for sale too if your interested £65 posted.

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/RobbieRx-7/IMG_0976.jpg)

My AST which is for sale (http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j250/RobbieRx-7/Photo-0013.jpg)
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 05:26:29 PM
Robbie, that is some seriously polished engine bay including all the bits !!!!!!!!!

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Freddy on March 21, 2008, 05:46:39 PM
Michael, i\'m selling my ARC Side Mount Intercooler. Mail me if you are interested; freddy__k@hotmail.com
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Post by: peterwolds on March 21, 2008, 05:47:06 PM
Robbie thats one of the nicest bays i have seen:Thumbsup!
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Post by: Nik da Greek on March 21, 2008, 05:52:28 PM
I\'ve got the same intercooler as Robbie there, but branded Trust rather than GReddy (but obviously the exact same thing). I\'d recommend it without reservations, excellent bit of kit, if that\'s any help in making your decision. Just like allstaruk said, you need to make sure you get the ducting to it right, but it\'s fantastic quality, totally bombproof and avoids major hassle fitting a front or V-mount, which are possibly a bit overkill on a mild tune anyway. Polishes up lovely,too
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Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 21, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: peterwoldsRobbie thats one of the nicest bays i have seen:Thumbsup!


I wish it was mine pete:InLove I stole the pic from the usa site
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: Nik da GreekI\'ve got the same intercooler as Robbie there, but branded Trust rather than GReddy (but obviously the exact same thing). I\'d recommend it without reservations, excellent bit of kit, if that\'s any help in making your decision. Just like allstaruk said, you need to make sure you get the ducting to it right, but it\'s fantastic quality, totally bombproof and avoids major hassle fitting a front or V-mount, which are possibly a bit overkill on a mild tune anyway. Polishes up lovely,too

thanks for that, what size is your IC any way, is it an easy fit?  I will get Kerim at Powergains to fit any IC for me with some hard pipes if I decide to get one

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 06:02:59 PM
Quote from: RobbieRX-7I wish it was mine pete:InLove I stole the pic from the usa site


I was soooooooooooooooooooooooo impressed....I want mine to look like this LOL I wish....must cost a bit to get it looking so good

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Nik da Greek on March 21, 2008, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: michaelbthanks for that, what size is your IC any way, is it an easy fit? I will get Kerim at Powergains to fit any IC for me with some hard pipes if I decide to get one
 
Regards,
Michaelb

Yeah, they\'re almost a direct replacement for the standard one, just a bit larger each way. Mine presses very close to the water pump/hose union, but has been fine for a year and a bit, not rubbed through anything yet! :chat . Making the ducting was a bit of a faff, but if you buy Robbies\' ready made one you\'d be spared that hassle. Managed to fit and/or make it all myself so it can\'t be too hard, cos I\'m a mechanical cretin!
 
Wasn\'t trying to steal a sale, btw, just to clear that up. I need mine to run the car still, I was just vouching for the one offered to you earlier!
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Post by: peterwolds on March 21, 2008, 06:15:42 PM
Quote from: RobbieRX-7I wish it was mine pete:InLove I stole the pic from the usa site
:eek:  :spank :rollin still love it wish mine was that clean was going to ask where you got the chromed pipes for the apexi induction kit instead of the dull rubber mine have
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: Nik da GreekYeah, they\'re almost a direct replacement for the standard one, just a bit larger each way. Mine presses very close to the water pump/hose union, but has been fine for a year and a bit, not rubbed through anything yet! :chat . Making the ducting was a bit of a faff, but if you buy Robbies\' ready made one you\'d be spared that hassle. Managed to fit and/or make it all myself so it can\'t be too hard, cos I\'m a mechanical cretin!
 
Wasn\'t trying to steal a sale, btw, just to clear that up. I need mine to run the car still, I was just vouching for the one offered to you earlier!

No worries mate.

What is really the difference between larger and smaller intercoolers?  Is is the intake temperature?  Is there such a thing like a lag? Jm-garage.co.uk mentioned the above…

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 06:34:39 PM
RE my mods - I forgot to mention that the exaust port has been enlarged as well

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Nik da Greek on March 21, 2008, 06:35:23 PM
Quote from: peterwolds:eek: :spank :rollin still love it wish mine was that clean was going to ask where you got the chromed pipes for the apexi induction kit instead of the dull rubber mine have

Wot like these? :yes
 
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Lag tends to be a side effect of the length of pipework and how long it takes the turbos to pressurise it all as far as the throttles. Yeah, it keeps intake temps down, not as much as a front mount, but then they occlude the air flow to the water radiator, which on a Rex is what you don\'t want. V-mount is the best compromise, excellent short I/C pipe run for no lag and equal cooling for I/C and water rad, but cost a lot or and/or take loads of fitting
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Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 21, 2008, 06:38:56 PM
Yeah it\'s just the intake temperature basically. They all have their ups and downs be it front mount or standard mount.

Front mounts block air to the rad, so you\'ll need to get creative in ducting some air to the rad. This application is best for drag racing. They also have quite a bit more lag because of the length of piping needed and the size of the intercooler.

Standard mount suffer from heat soak from the rad so this is why you need ducting to it from the nose of the car directly to the intercooler. With this intercooler, you use your stock mazda ducting, just need to trim some off for this greddy to fit in.

V mount is the ultimate setup but costs a fortune and imo is not really worth the money.

This greddy is designed to just about fit inside the engine bay. It will fit in between the stock airbox and stock battery case
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Post by: Nik da Greek on March 21, 2008, 06:45:19 PM
Spooky! Just like wot I said, only better written!
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Post by: michaelb on March 21, 2008, 07:28:36 PM
I guess it will be stock set up.  I have no stock air box, it has been removed.  I have the HKS Racing Suction Kit instead.  I have quite a lot of room now for a decent IC.

Thanks for the advice ….

Now is the question of shopping around for one and getting a good deal.  Since I had a re-build then I will run the engine in then I will fit the new IC and have it mapped by JayDee here in London.

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: peterwolds on March 21, 2008, 08:05:09 PM
Nik thats it
Title: ast
Post by: turbo boy on March 21, 2008, 08:46:35 PM
robbie, do you still have the ast for sale? i want it!
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Post by: arrouk on March 21, 2008, 09:30:43 PM
if your gonna start with the polish
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Post by: Papercup on March 22, 2008, 09:34:46 AM
I have one for sale if you\'d like it. My car was up at WGT getting the V Mount put on and i have the kit that was on mine when i got it.
 
(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/oldfront1.jpg)
 
Both the rad and IC are sitting in my garage gathering dust.
 
Make me an offer for the pair.
 
Andy
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Post by: michaelb on March 22, 2008, 10:46:01 AM
Quote from: PapercupI have one for sale if you\'d like it. My car was up at WGT getting the V Mount put on and i have the kit that was on mine when i got it.
 
(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/oldfront1.jpg)
 
Both the rad and IC are sitting in my garage gathering dust.
 
Make me an offer for the pair.
 
Andy

Hi Andy

What IC is it? With hard pipes? Photos?

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Papercup on March 22, 2008, 10:48:39 AM
You git, I sm still in my dressing gown and its blowing a gale and raining :mad:
 
OK, i shall chuck some clothes on and go out and take some piccies :mad:
 
(just kidding.....give me half an hour though)
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Post by: michaelb on March 22, 2008, 11:00:08 AM
Quote from: PapercupYou git, I sm still in my dressing gown and its blowing a gale and raining :mad:
 
OK, i shall chuck some clothes on and go out and take some piccies :mad:
 
(just kidding.....give me half an hour though)

Still in your dressing gown? I have been up since 7am, had breakfast, been to the gym and now I am getting ready to take the mrs shopping...


No Rush mate, I am going to be out till about 3pm any way, you can carry on with your Sunday tradition of dressing gowns, slippers, rocking chairs ect LOL LOL LOL

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Papercup on March 22, 2008, 11:33:46 AM
Quote from: michaelbStill in your dressing gown? I have been up since 7am, had breakfast, been to the gym and now I am getting ready to take the mrs shopping...
 
 
No Rush mate, I am going to be out till about 3pm any way, you can carry on with your Sunday tradition of dressing gowns, slippers, rocking chairs ect LOL LOL LOL
 
Regards,
Michaelb

At least i know what day it is ;)
 
OK, what you see is what you get. I asked WGT for the whole lot back and didn\'t get the top hard pipes, sorry. Also, mine was a standard radiator (as far as i know) but when i went to pick it all up he gave me this other one and said that one of this workers had accidentally fitted mine to another car and it had gone out (!). So he was giving me this better, uprated one (and you can see its more impressive than the standard one and built by someone specialist). It fits on standard mounts though, so ought not to be a problem. I wasn\'t over the moon about the whole situation (and accompanying story) to be honest, but i had a bigger turbo and shiny new front mount set-up and a car i hadn\'t seen for months so I didn\'t waste a great deal of time worrying about it.
 
Make me an offer. You pay postage. I am not a great one for putting things on eBay as i generally can\'t be bothered with the muppetry you come across. I\'d rather sell this to someone on the forum in a friendly manner.
 
cheers
 
Andy
 
pics as follows:
 
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020468.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020469.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020470.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020471.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020472.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020473.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020475.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020477.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020478.jpg)
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(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1020479.jpg)
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And lastly, how the engine bay used to look:
 
(http://home.clara.net/papercupandy/ic/P1010404.jpg)
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Post by: michaelb on March 23, 2008, 02:22:36 PM
Hi Papercup

You are right, half the time I don’t know what day it is LOL

Many thanks for your pictures, the IC looks great, but it looks like it is a front mount and at this stage I will probably go for a stock set up but TBH I will speak to Kerim at Powergains and get his advice.

I am running twin turbo set up and an IC like this might be a tad ott

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Ed_RX7 on March 23, 2008, 02:25:10 PM
trust me... it wont be ott....just gives you more scope of the future
 
Quote from: michaelbHi Papercup
 
You are right, half the time I don’t know what day it is LOL
 
Many thanks for your pictures, the IC looks great, but it looks like it is a front mount and at this stage I will probably go for a stock set up but TBH I will speak to Kerim at Powergains and get his advice.
 
I am running twin turbo set up and an IC like this might be ott
 
Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: michaelb on March 23, 2008, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: Ed_RX7trust me... it wont be ott....just gives you more scope of the future


OK, let me speak to Powergains, btw can this IC be left in my bay if I ever go single?

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Ed_RX7 on March 23, 2008, 03:14:28 PM
yep...you woulde just redo your piping turbo side
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Post by: Papercup on March 23, 2008, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: Ed_RX7yep...you woulde just redo your piping turbo side

yes, as the man said. Strictly speaking it isn\'t in the engine bay, its in front of the front panel, in the nose cone. See the last picture i put; you can\'t even see it, just the pipes that go to it.
 
Mine is a single, so when you go that way you know it will be fine.
 
Let me know what you decide.
 
A
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Post by: michaelb on March 23, 2008, 07:08:32 PM
Quote from: Papercupyes, as the man said. Strictly speaking it isn\'t in the engine bay, its in front of the front panel, in the nose cone. See the last picture i put; you can\'t even see it, just the pipes that go to it.

 
Mine is a single, so when you go that way you know it will be fine.
 
Let me know what you decide.
 
A

thanks for that, I think I get it...it is in the front of the rad, right?

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Nik da Greek on March 23, 2008, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: peterwoldsNik thats it

Sorry, mini-hijack alert! Peter, those pipes come from an American firm, I\'m really sorry, I can\'t remember their name, I got them secondhand ages ago. Something very similar pops up on eBay from time to time, but I couldn\'t vouch for their fit. The bottom/front pipe on mine (the U-shaped one!) fit fine on the separate filters I had originally on my first rex, but would never quite line up with the intake from my ARC induction box I had subsequently, oddly. They were fine on the stock airbox, so maybe it was ARCs fault rather than the pipes!
 
And as for all you layabouts, by seven in the morning, I\'d been at work half a shift already! It was snowing just outside Brighton then, needed a bit more than a dressing gown! :)
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Post by: Papercup on March 24, 2008, 06:42:14 PM
Quote from: michaelbthanks for that, I think I get it...it is in the front of the rad, right?
 
Regards,
Michaelb

yes, is is in front of the rad

A
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Post by: 20B_boy on March 24, 2008, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: PapercupAlso, mine was a standard radiator (as far as i know) but when i went to pick it all up he gave me this other one and said that one of this workers had accidentally fitted mine to another car and it had gone out (!). So he was giving me this better, uprated one (and you can see its more impressive than the standard one and built by someone specialist). It fits on standard mounts though, so ought not to be a problem.
FWIW, Ron Davies are renowned for making extremely high quality radiators. You will find them in all kinds of applications, they are also imported into Japan and used by some of the top RX7 tuning companies.
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Post by: RobMatthews on April 01, 2008, 10:47:28 PM
is this still for sale?call me on 07854765878 cheers rob
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Post by: Papercup on April 02, 2008, 10:45:53 AM
yes, still for sale, the other guy never got back to me....i am in Amsterdam this week on business so can\'t call you...back at the weekend so could talk further then?
 
ask me anything here if you like - email and msn and such are working fine...
 
cheers
 
Andy
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Post by: Ed_RX7 on April 02, 2008, 11:05:47 AM
how much do you want for it...(the intercooler)....my email is elnr_uk@yahoo.co.uk (elnr_uk@yahoo.co.uk)
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Post by: michaelb on April 02, 2008, 03:17:11 PM
Hi Papercup

Sorry mate, I have been away to Marbella

I will pass on your IC, it is a great product but TBH I never really wanted a front mount but a direct replacement for my stock one

Thanks for offering any way !!

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Papercup on April 02, 2008, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: Ed_RX7how much do you want for it...(the intercooler)....my email is elnr_uk@yahoo.co.uk (elnr_uk@yahoo.co.uk)

i haven\'t a clue....make me an offer
 
 
i\'d like to lose the radiator as well....
 
:)
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Post by: RobMatthews on April 02, 2008, 05:41:58 PM
papercup what is your email/msm?
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Post by: Papercup on April 02, 2008, 05:55:02 PM
Quote from: RobMatthewspapercup what is your email/msm?

you can see my msn link in my post. to the right here ->
 
:)
 
(also my hotmail address)
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Post by: Ed_RX7 on April 02, 2008, 09:06:24 PM
Hi mate sent you an email this morning but you still havent got back to me.
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Post by: Papercup on April 02, 2008, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: Ed_RX7Hi mate sent you an email this morning but you still havent got back to me.

 
...make me an offer, and i\'d like both to go
 
Andy
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Post by: Ed_RX7 on April 02, 2008, 09:40:13 PM
check your email  bud i already have.:Thumbs-up
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Post by: marco on April 02, 2008, 09:41:22 PM
if the rad is going cheap cheap cheap, then i might be interested.
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Post by: michaelb on April 02, 2008, 09:53:53 PM
Papercup

What runners did you use for the seats?  Where from?

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Ed_RX7 on April 02, 2008, 09:57:46 PM
nah geezer i was talking to papercup....sorry dor the confusion bud.
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Post by: michaelb on April 02, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: Ed_RX7nah geezer i was talking to papercup....sorry dor the confusion bud.


cool, just realised that...my mistake...

Regards,
Michaelb
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Post by: Papercup on April 05, 2008, 10:23:49 AM
Sorry guys, been in Amsterdam for the week, working, so not been able to keep in touch very well. Rob M asked first, so he has first dibs. He also wants both the rad and the IC which is better for me.
 
Ed - if this falls through with Rob then we\'ll talk further.
 
Michaelb - random question about seats! Do you mean the seats in my car? How do you know what they are?
 
cheers all
 
Andy
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Post by: michaelb on April 06, 2008, 06:00:30 PM
Quote from: PapercupSorry guys, been in Amsterdam for the week, working, so not been able to keep in touch very well. Rob M asked first, so he has first dibs. He also wants both the rad and the IC which is better for me.
 
Ed - if this falls through with Rob then we\'ll talk further.
 
Michaelb - random question about seats! Do you mean the seats in my car? How do you know what they are?
 
cheers all
 
Andy

Hi Papercup

Sorry about the questions about the seats…I meant to answer another tread with the seats question, got all mixed up and posted that in this tread..I am spending too much time on MRC LOL

Regards,
Michaelb
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