Big thanks to Clive at Mazdarotaryparts.com for the new Tiger silenced mid pipe which has made a huge difference in reducing the noise level.
From a mid pipe which was effectively unsilenced, I\'ve got a drop of 20db before and after using a static reading to the side and to the rear on a digital sound level meter, and, the drive-by under mild acceleration was 65-71 db.
The set up has the Tiger mid pipe which does have a huge silencer box and the cat back is an SMB twin pipe which I think looks great.
So just need a final mapping at Carls (plus some fuelling mods) and then I\'m sorted for a while.
I\'ve got the digital sound meter until next week and if any folks want to take a reading I will bring it with me to the AGM on Saturday.
Keith :Thumbs-up
Thanks for the comments Keith just pleased that we have been able to offer a solution to your noise problems that have plagued you, just mind you don\'t doze off on motorways now all that nasty noise has gone :Snoring :Laugh
This brand new just on the market full 3" non-restrictive Tiger silenced mid-pipe is the largest of it\'s type I have ever seen, it is also made out of thick good quality stainless steel that unlike others on the market will not fracture and break.
There are still 4 available until the next batch are made and the cost will be £195 plus vat and delivery which may seem a lot but then this will let you go on track, hear your phone,radio and even hold a sensible conversation with your passenger.
Quote from: MazdarotarypartsThanks for the comments Keith just pleased that we have been able to offer a solution to your noise problems that have plagued you, just mind you don\'t doze off on motorways now all that nasty noise has gone :Snoring :Laugh
This brand new just on the market full 3" non-restrictive Tiger silenced mid-pipe is the largest of it\'s type I have ever seen, it is also made out of thick good quality stainless steel that unlike others on the market will not fracture and break.
ITS NOT BRAND NEW!!!! AND YES I KNOW ITS QUIET I DESIGNED IT BECAUSE THE OTHER ONES ARE TO LOUD, GLAD YOU LIKE IT.
There are still 4 available until the next batch are made and the cost will be £195 plus vat and delivery which may seem a lot but then this will let you go on track, hear your phone,radio and even hold a sensible conversation with your passenger.
I HAD THESE DEVELOPED AND MADE BY TIGER OVER 2 YEARS AGO, AND THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ME NOT TO SELL THEM TO ANYONE ELSE.
ALSO I HAVE ALWAYS SOLD THEM AT £160+VAT. AND I HAVE TO PAY THE COSTS OF A GARAGE, UNLIKE SELLING THEM FROM MY BEDROOM!
Quote from: DRAGONI HAD THESE DEVELOPED AND MADE BY TIGER OVER 2 YEARS AGO, AND THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ME NOT TO SELL THEM TO ANYONE ELSE.
ALSO I HAVE ALWAYS SOLD THEM AT £160+VAT. AND I HAVE TO PAY THE COSTS OF A GARAGE, UNLIKE SELLING THEM FROM MY BEDROOM!
Complete RUBBISH Ross,yours are completely different to these,yours have a tiny bore on the inside,the wall thickness on yours is much thinner than these and these have a 3 inch straight through bore so very quiet with no restriction.
How do I know? Because David at Rotecknics actually developed these along with me testing an early one and then Tiger putting them into production.
Neither Rotecknics,Mazdarotaryparts,or Hayward Rotary operate out of a bedroom.
Carl
Thankyou Ross but you really have got your facts 200% wrong as Carl has pointed out,
A phone call to me would have stopped you you looking as silly and ill informed as you have on this thread.
If you would have had any sense you would have looked at the picture before posting and seen that this new silencer bears no relation to yours in any way and is reflected in the price, comiserations that you like us also have to find a large lump of money for your premisis per month
I don\'t do things behind peoples backs and will now hit the reported button to complain to our moderators that you have totally abused the dispensation you were kindly given to be able to keep the Dragon name due to posting about your company items to attack a paying advertiser whilst listed as a guest
Oh my, I have one of these exhausts from Ross about a year and a half ago same silencer and it has a three inch bore, can send pics if you wish!
Quote from: JayDeeOh my, I have one of these exhausts from Ross about a year and a half ago same silencer and it has a three inch bore, can send pics if you wish!
Yours must be very different to the ones that I have seen then Jaydee,the ones i have seen have fallen to bits and needed welding due to the inferior guage of the steel,and also internally the bore has been around 2 inches if not less in diameter!
Think your self fortunate to not have had one of those!
Regards
Carl
Yes i know about the smaller bore ones these where his very very first ones had a different silencer
Quote from: JayDeeYes i know about the smaller bore ones these where his very very first ones had a different silencer
I can assure you Jason that these silenced midpipes were not copied from Ross\'s,they have been developed completely seperately,if anyone wants to know for sure then just call David at Rotecknics and ask him.
Regards
Carl
sounds good... do they have these at Rotecknics still or are they all with you now?? it\'s just that they\'re 5 mins away from me and im looking onto something like this for the new Nurburgring restrictions...95db :(:(
Ross has asked me to post this up, in referance to his ban.
I have been in talks with Andrew the owner of Tiger exhausts, to prove that I have been incorrectly banned. I hope the copy of these communications below will show that Clive Is not a Tiger Distributor and the exhaust that he is showing is not a Tiger exhaust, and also that in the last 3 years we have not had any warranty claims, contary to what Carl has said.
Plus this has been a complete waste of my time, when I have circuit car to be getting on with.
We would be happy to confirm that all the above products will be available to Dragon Performance on an exclusive basis in 2008 providing that you confirm your intention to order these products again from us this year, and we would be pleased to continue this arrangement in the future subject to mutual agreement.
As for Shy - we have sold them some 90 degree bends & straight tube recently - but we would never sell them the above RX7 products (or anything similar) as long as our agreement is in place. I can give my personal assurance that this would not happen.
With best regards,
Andrew Goddard,
DOUBLE S EXHAUSTS LTD.
//www.stainlesssteelexhausts.co.uk
Dear Clive,
Further to our telephone conversation today I am writing to confirm that the following TIGER STAINLESS STEEL MAZDA RX7 EXHAUST COMPONENTS are exclusively available from DRAGON PERFORMANCE: -
PART # DESCRIPTION
SSMA13 Interpipe no Silencer
SSMA11 Interpipe with Silencer
SSMA12 Rear Box- Ti Style Tip
Our records show that over 150 parts have been supplied via DRAGON PERFORMANCE and that we have had no warranty issues with these parts in the last three years.
With best regards,
Andrew Goddard,
TIGER EXHAUSTS LTD.
The dispute is not the question, access has been suspended due to the way this matter has been approached. This is a private matter between companies and the clubs forum is not your personal battle ground for disputes between your own company and others. That is the reason for the suspension and a such is not affect by whom is right or wrong.
You obviously have these peoples contact details without using the forum so please use these channels in future.
I think most people would agree that arguing a point like this in public had no positive outcome for any party other than letting everyone have a candid view of what should be the behind the scenes workings of a bussiness.
There would appear to be some inconsistencies here, are we talking about the same product??
Quote from: mjwebb48Ross has asked me to post this up, in referance to his ban.
I have been in talks with Andrew the owner of Tiger exhausts, to prove that I have been incorrectly banned. I hope the copy of these communications below will show that Clive Is not a Tiger Distributor and the exhaust that he is showing is not a Tiger exhaust, and also that in the last 3 years we have not had any warranty claims, contary to what Carl has said.
Plus this has been a complete waste of my time, when I have circuit car to be getting on with.
We would be happy to confirm that all the above products will be available to Dragon Performance on an exclusive basis in 2008 providing that you confirm your intention to order these products again from us this year, and we would be pleased to continue this arrangement in the future subject to mutual agreement.
As for Shy - we have sold them some 90 degree bends & straight tube recently - but we would never sell them the above RX7 products (or anything similar) as long as our agreement is in place. I can give my personal assurance that this would not happen.
With best regards,
Andrew Goddard,
DOUBLE S EXHAUSTS LTD.
www.stainlesssteelexhausts.co.uk (http://www.stainlesssteelexhausts.co.uk)
Dear Clive,
Further to our telephone conversation today I am writing to confirm that the following TIGER STAINLESS STEEL MAZDA RX7 EXHAUST COMPONENTS are exclusively available from DRAGON PERFORMANCE: -
PART # DESCRIPTION
SSMA13 Interpipe no Silencer
SSMA11 Interpipe with Silencer
SSMA12 Rear Box- Ti Style Tip
Our records show that over 150 parts have been supplied via DRAGON PERFORMANCE and that we have had no warranty issues with these parts in the last three years.
With best regards,
Andrew Goddard,
TIGER EXHAUSTS LTD.
WHOOPS!!!!!...looks like an apology is in order....:rolleyes: ...would you like to start Carl?
I think you should wait for Mazdarotayrparts reply first!
Quote from: Ed_RX7WHOOPS!!!!!...looks like an apology is in order....:rolleyes: ...would you like to start Carl?
I think you should wait for Mazdarotarypart\'s reply first!
Quote from: MikeLMRThe dispute is not the question, access has been suspended due to the way this matter has been approached. This is a private matter between companies and the clubs forum is not your personal battle ground for disputes between your own company and others. That is the reason for the suspension and a such is not affect by whom is right or wrong.
You obviously have these peoples contact details without using the forum so please use these channels in future.
I think most people would agree that arguing a point like this in public had no positive outcome for any party other than letting everyone have a candid view of what should be the behind the scenes workings of a bussiness.
I think ALL above companies should think about what they write inline with the above. Or, reinstate Dragon I guess and you can fight it out for everyone to \'enjoy\' :rolleyes:
ok, c\'mon Clive finish typing....:Laugh....in all honesty though...surely this is something that is to be discussed between Clive and Ross.....why did Carl get involved?
Quote from: 20B_boyI think ALL above companies should think about what they write inline with the above. Or, reinstate Dragon I guess and you can fight it out for everyone to \'enjoy\' :rolleyes:
I think the reply can equally apply to both Carl representing Rotechnics and Hayward rotary (as he has implied, though perhaps the rotechnics ones is rather unoficial) and also Mazdarotaryparts. I think all parties need to consider if this is the best way to sort this out? I think the answer is probably a resounding NO
Just so we are clear and concise that we do not and have no wish to distribute any of the Tiger part numbers above.
Whilst we can distribute any Tiger product we only distribute RX-7 RX-8 systems in conjunction with Rotechniks the following Tiger part numbers
RX-7 numbers are
SSMA9 which is the picture shown in the above post
SSMA9/C
SSMA9/B
SSMA8
WE DO NOT DISTRIBUTE THE FOLLOWING PART NUMBERS, NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL/
PART # DESCRIPTION
SSMA13 Interpipe no Silencer
SSMA11 Interpipe with Silencer
SSMA12 Rear Box- Ti Style Tip
So what I can tell is so far that the first picture posted is not an official "Tiger" product but Rototechnics\\Clives own design\\manufacture using Tiger parts?
Yep you guessed it im confused as well lol.
This thread is better then an episode of Eastenders with different twists along the way, waiting for the next episode.
I think we should re instate Dragon anyways let him have his say, I thought if there was a dispute with companies its made a sticky and closed but with statements from both parties and we can make our own judgement.
Anyway lighten up guys its only a Car Club as everyone keeps saying. :)
Quote from: Ed_RX7ok, c\'mon Clive finish typing....:Laugh....in all honesty though...surely this is something that is to be discussed between Clive and Ross.....why did Carl get involved?
This was actually all thrashed out and clarified completely over a year ago between Tiger,Dragon,Rotechnics and MRP as to who was selling which Tiger product.
As stated above we have no wish to sell any Tiger product developed for Dragon.
Quote from: BlitzBoySo what I can tell is so far that the first picture posted is not an official "Tiger" product but Rototechnics\\Clives own design\\manufacture using Tiger parts?
Tiger along with many other exhaust companies will manufacture any exhaust part to pattern on a customers behalf providing a certain number are ordered and then they will give it a part number as described above.
Being an ethical company Tiger will not then sell these customer developed exhausts to other companys and this is why even if we wished to we could not and would not sell the following,
PART # DESCRIPTION
SSMA13 Interpipe no Silencer
SSMA11 Interpipe with Silencer
SSMA12 Rear Box- Ti Style Tip
Quote from: MazdarotarypartsThis was actually all thrashed out and clarified completely over a year ago between Tiger,Dragon,Rotechnics and MRP as to who was selling which Tiger product.
As stated above we have no wish to sell any Tiger product developed for Dragon.
Well if this is the case then there really shouldn\'t be an issue......
Clive...was this argeement/discussion posted on the forum?
Quote from: DRAGONI hope the copy of these communications below will show that Clive Is not a Tiger Distributor and the exhaust that he is showing is not a Tiger exhaust
Quote from: MRPWhilst we can distribute any Tiger product we only distribute RX-7 RX-8 systems in conjunction with Rotechniks the following Tiger part numbers
These seem to be in direct contradiction.....
What a great thread :D
Im sure Kash has this same mid pipe bought from Dragon about over a year ago with no problem till now + Shah\'s fd is another example.
Quote from: Red and SingleThese seem to be in direct contradiction.....
What a great thread :D
If we were not a Tiger distributor then we would not have received a trade invoice from them today, but as stated we do not distribute the part numbers above.
As some of you will know we have sold Tiger exhausts via our web sites long before Dragon even existed.
Many many customers have heard praise for the quality of Tiger systems by hearing me say that I ran a Tiger cat removal pipe and cat back on my FD for 5 years and could still shine up the inside of the tail pipe at shows.
Before anyone picks it up and getts silly, Double "S" exhausts trade as "Tiger" the same as ShyAuto trades as "MRP"
So... now this has been sorted will Ross\'s account be released?
Ross\' account was not suspended because of the disagreement about who was selling what, as far as I can make out he was suspended for the way he went about it.
As stated further back I actually reported Ross for abusing the dispensation he was given to use the Dragon name
He used his private "Dragon" name commercial purposes connected with his company to attack a paying advertiser which he knew was not allowed.
He has actually not been banned but only suspended pending a decision from the moderators which will be a decision that I will have no part or bearing on.
Quote from: Ed_RX7WHOOPS!!!!!...looks like an apology is in order....:rolleyes: ...would you like to start Carl?
ok, c\'mon Clive finish typing........in all honesty though...surely this is something that is to be discussed between Clive and Ross.....why did Carl get involved?
Today 02:42 PM
I still stand by what I have said.
The reason I am involved is that I sell the product and I get it through Rotechnics,I actually used an early test trial version around 18 months ago from them to prove the idea.
The product that Ross/Dragon sells is not the same product even though they may look similar.
I have one of these from Rotechnics in my shop right now and feel very strongly that if you really want to know who is right just call David at Rotechnics and ask him. 01189 888555
David is aware that I have posted this and will back up everything I have said.
Regards
Carl
Just to add we have sold many Dragon/Tiger systems as we are approved by Dragon to sell these. I have spoken with Tiger at Expos in past and from I have seen they are very ethical would would never sell to me direct as they are exclusive to Dragon as they put the hard work in and had them developed. I guess they would make something totally different for us, but Im happy with what Im selling.
Id also like to state that they are 3" and none have ever been returned or had any problem, and do carry a Dragon life time warentee.
From the picture
http://www.rotaryart.uk.com/acatalog/Dragon_Performance_exhaust_systems.html
you will see they are different to what MRP have posted, so cant comment on where they come from and who or what has been done to them.
I guess IF these are genuine Tiger exhaists they will verified by Tiger, perhaps someone could get Tiger to look at the pictures or confirm sales of these.
But I guess at the end of the day it just boils down to 2 vendors on the forum selling 2 very similar products.
Perhaps 1 of each could be put on a car and dyno\'d. That might settle who is better than who\'s. Might find an improvement could be made.
It would be nice if dragon were to be re-instated as every one should have a say, especially if they fill rightly or wrongly if they are being ripped off. If wrongly then Clive will be cleared and have every right to sell it as a Tiger system.
I remember the Hurley fiasco where it was allowed for Hurley to be slain on MRC by Clive as he felt strongly about his convictions and rightly or wrongly it was allowed until facts were forwarded and then with drawn.
Let MRP and Dragon have there say and sort this out for everyone to see, not just the one side. Then we will see fairness and the truth, then buyers will buy knowing exactly what they are getting. A genuine Tiger system or something put together pretending to be a Tiger system.
Not looking for aguement just facts, fairnes and clarity.
I\'ll ask Dragon to speak with Tiger and see if for research they will provide one of MRP exhausts (only if Clive is in agreement) would be interesting if they could be dyno\'d.
My post is a bit redundant now as while typing others were posting.
As I staed in other post.
"I guess at the end of the day it just boils down to 2 vendors on the forum selling 2 very similar products".
Dear Ross,
Just to confirm that we (TIGER EXHAUSTS) do not sell any MAZDA RX7 Stainless Steel Exhaust components to SHY Automotive.
I have not been able to view the image you mentioned, but I understand that it was a prototype of another company\'s product which we were asked to make some alterations to.
With regards,
Andrew Goddard,
TIGER EXHAUSTS LTD
Ross, just asked me to post the above. Seems contardictory to Clive stating in his first post that this is a Tiger Silenced Mid-pipe.
He also says that he has not been contacted at all by MRC and has not had the chance to put over his side of story. Just banned with no explanation.
Quote from: mjwebb48Dear Ross,
Just to confirm that we (TIGER EXHAUSTS) do not sell any MAZDA RX7 Stainless Steel Exhaust components to SHY Automotive.
I have not been able to view the image you mentioned, but I understand that it was a prototype of another company\'s product which we were asked to make some alterations to.
With regards,
Andrew Goddard,
TIGER EXHAUSTS LTD
Ross, just asked me to post the above. Seems contardictory to Clive stating in his first post that this is a Tiger Silenced Mid-pipe.
He also says that he has not been contacted at all by MRC and has not had the chance to put over his side of story. Just banned with no explanation.
Well, banning and not let others have their say has become a norm here no surprise:2Rolleyes :3Confused
Edited again (sorry i deleted my first line!)
Tiger are playing you lot for fools. Clearly are making an exhaust for all of you, perhaps giving them a different part number makes them different LOL
The fact is that you lot are arguing over something, getting excited is not really gonna change anything. You vendors should learn to play nice with each other when you get an issue like this.
Yep I agree its obvious that are making exhausts for both set of parties although different specs. So Tiger are not being fully honest with Ross perhaps.
But Ross still needs to be unbanned or can he join up under a different username if he is not allowed to use Dragon?
perhaps you should un-ban Ross. Hes prolly screwing about this, i wouldnt like it if someone made me a promise then went behind my back and sold something very similar to someone else.
This is my last post surronding this subject as with out resorting to brail as a form of comunication I will not be able to comunicate this any better than I have in my previous posts,
We have been invited by Rotechniks in the same way as Hayward Rotary have to distribute the following Tiger products
Tiger part number SSMA9 which is the part number for the mid-pipe in the picture shown again.
Also we distribute to fit RX-7\'s in the same manner the following,
Tiger part number SSMA9/C ( this has a proper catalitic convertor in a 3" mid pipe)
Tiger part number SSMA9/B (this is a straight cat replacement pipe)
Tiger part number SSMA8 (this is a single tip cat back system)
Unfortunately if Dragon wish to stop Rotechnicks distributing Rotechnicks own developed Tiger made products with the part numbers above, Dragon will need to take this up with Rotechnicks and not MRP/Shy or Tiger.
Obviously this is entirely a business decision of Rotechnicks who can sell their own product that is manufactured by Tiger to any person or company they and they alone wish to .
If anyone reading this wants to buy a silenced mid-pipe that is totally different from any Mid-pipe that Dragon has had manufactured by Tiger for them then MRP still has 4 of the currant batch of Tiger made midpipes available to sell should customers want them.
Quote from: LaeeqWell, banning and not let others have their say has become a norm here no surprise:2Rolleyes :3Confused
Ross has been reinstated as a guest since yesterday and if you read this thread you will see the reason why his access was suspended. I still don\'t think this is the place for this dispute, it has nothing to do with the customers who buy these products and is purely between the companies involved 3 of which are nothing to do with this forum at all! So why do we have to deal with all this exactly?
Quote from: MikeLMRRoss has been reinstated as a guest since yesterday and if you read this thread you will see the reason why his access was suspended. I still don\'t think this is the place for this dispute, it has nothing to do with the customers who buy these products and is purely between the companies involved 3 of which are nothing to do with this forum at all! So why do we have to deal with all this exactly?
Well i tell why yo have to deal with this exactly?
The owner of one of them 3 companies is also our club Chairman who has reported him hence his banning before last night. They all have had their say except Dragon so is this all justified is beyond me? This thread shouldn\'t be here then as its got nothing to do with our club but for the interest of Chairman reputation and business its still here.
Laeeq,
I think you have misunderstood the point of Mike\'s post. We are of the opinion that these issues should be solved by the affected parties offline there is no place for it on the forum. Dragon\'s access was suspended for the manner of the approach, and as with all suspensions this was then reviewed by the MRC team.
Laeeq its exactly as Brett says above better sorted offline it has nothing to do with MRC as a club irrespective of who the club\'s chairman is,please let this be resolved off the site so as not to inflame the topic any more .
Quote from: LaeeqWell i tell why yo have to deal with this exactly?
The owner of one of them 3 companies is also our club Chairman who has reported him hence his banning before last night. They all have had their say except Dragon so is this all justified is beyond me? This thread shouldn\'t be here then as its got nothing to do with our club but for the interest of Chairman reputation and business its still here.
Just to Clear this up as club chairman Laeeq. I am not a owner of a company but shareholder/director of one. We do not advertise on here at all as it is not car related. I can only assume you where having a blond moment when posting the above.
Regards Kevin:rollin :rollin :Giggle
Quote from: kev-yorksJust to Clear this up as club chairman Laeeq. I am not a owner of a company but shareholder/director of one. We do not advertise on here at all as it is not car related. I can only assume you where having a blond moment when posting the above.
Regards Kevin:rollin :rollin :Giggle
No its not you Kevin......my appologies;)
WTF ????
I thought Clive was chairman ??
Something you might want to tell the members ???
Or have I lost the plot ??
Quote from: Red and SingleWTF ????
I thought Clive was chairman ??
Something you might want to tell the members ???
Or have I lost the plot ??
yep did not want say it but would like to know it too.
So the AGM did take place without members.....:confused:
As said somewhere else before,the political situation on here is changing by the hours just like Pakistani Government. Who else will promoted up the ranks among all other moderators with huge pay rise....:(
Oh sorry should\'ve checked with mods as my name is on that list of 10\'s who are against this club and want changes. Its happening without us already so very well done.
Quote from: Red and SingleWTF ????
I thought Clive was chairman ??
Something you might want to tell the members ???
Or have I lost the plot ??
Goes to show much people take notice. The title of President was given to Clive by Glenn,when they set up MRC.
If you looked at Clive\'s signature it has always stated mazdarotaryclub.com President/Administrator it has been this way for the last 6 years!
LOL, thank **** for that...pelase delete my other thread.....
SORRY CLIVE/ LISA / KEV :D:D:D
I\'m going to bed !!
Have another beer Dave.:guinness
Solid gold :rollin
oh lisa you beat me to it.......open your eyes geezer!!! LOL