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Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 15, 2007, 06:15:38 PM
got pfc and ben told when heat light flashes this means knock above 5000 revs what exsactly does this mean
Title: what is knock?
Post by: rx7veilside on October 15, 2007, 06:47:45 PM
knock is when mr engine knocks on you door and says ime going to screw you big time mother
Title: what is knock?
Post by: chrisJDM on October 15, 2007, 06:48:40 PM
If you are getting this then it could be bad and you could end up blowing your engine, so take it easy and get it looked at by a specialist.  Means you could be getting detination which is usually caused by fuel issues ie running lean.  Sometimes it is nothing and is caused by a dodgy knock sensor as they are prone to break, but get it looked at or you could cause serious damage to your engine.
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 15, 2007, 07:19:58 PM
it has just been mapped and running nice n rich and no knock but heat light flickerd on dash a bit today at around 6k so just worried everthing has been checked n map is good, may be dodjy senser, only has done it when second turbo boosting
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 15, 2007, 07:20:29 PM
oh only running 0.8 boost too so should be safe
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 15, 2007, 07:21:05 PM
only mods r apexi pfc decat anf exshaust
Title: what is knock?
Post by: chrisJDM on October 15, 2007, 07:26:50 PM
sounds like you might have a dodgy knock sensor then, they are very prone to breaking.  Mine was dodgy then got a second hand one which was also dodgy then got another one from Tim (rx motors) and has been fine since.  

I think the heat affects them and the material they are held in by melts and goes soft and then they dont work properly
Title: what is knock?
Post by: gsb876 on October 15, 2007, 07:57:53 PM
You have a Apexi PFC yes ?

So next time you give it some boost look at the knock reading to see what it says, anything under 70 is good anything over that is bad, over 100 really bad although if the car backfires it will send the reading higher :King
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 15, 2007, 08:23:06 PM
ok great thanks ill do that, thats what i wanted someone to tell me something to check, will look on commader. been so worried bout using commander but red all instuctions and as long as i dont go into settings should be fine
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 15, 2007, 08:24:13 PM
tomorrow after work i will moniter knock n see where it is under boost
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 15, 2007, 08:24:50 PM
oh and thanks i love this site
Title: what is knock?
Post by: probedb on October 15, 2007, 10:16:05 PM
the pfc also uses the light for other stuff so not necessarily knock.
Title: what is knock?
Post by: wow on October 15, 2007, 10:28:24 PM
where by is the knock sensor and how much are they to buy.
 
cheers
Title: what is knock?
Post by: chrisJDM on October 16, 2007, 08:03:14 AM
you can get them from mazda but i expect they are a bit pricey, you are probably looking at around 100 quid but you can get them second hand, alot of the tuners keep them, although the problem with getting one second hand is it might be faulty aswell
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 16, 2007, 05:06:10 PM
my car went to 96 at low revs under no boost when popping and gargling
but stays very low under all boost so think thats all good
Title: what is knock?
Post by: Morrmat on October 16, 2007, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: tezz12345it has just been mapped and running nice n rich and no knock but heat light flickerd on dash a bit today at around 6k so just worried everthing has been checked n map is good, may be dodjy senser, only has done it when second turbo boosting

i was told when the heat light flashes its either you injectors maxing out or the obvious - high heat temps going thru your cat!

not neccasarily det!
Title: what is knock?
Post by: chrisJDM on October 16, 2007, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: Morrmati was told when the heat light flashes its either you injectors maxing out or the obvious - high heat temps going thru your cat!

not neccasarily det!

Thats true with a standard ecu but if you have a apexi power fc then the heat light also flashes with knock
Title: what is knock?
Post by: Red and Single on October 16, 2007, 08:18:25 PM
Replaced mine ages ago as I was getting silly readings, it is much better now, but still get the odd silly one.

TBH if you do get serious knock, the motor will throw a tip or two within a few milliseconds, to put it another way, if you had knock, you would have already fducked your engine :D
Title: what is knock?
Post by: ro284 on October 16, 2007, 08:31:40 PM
QuoteReplaced mine ages ago as I was getting silly readings, it is much better now, but still get the odd silly one.

Was that a difficult job mate?
cheers
Title: what is knock?
Post by: Red and Single on October 16, 2007, 08:52:04 PM
ABSOLUTE CAKE :D

From memory,

buy new sensor (Go mine from Clive)
Lift Bonnet, remove intake elbow. Disconnect Battery.
Locate sensor and unclip cable and connector.
Remove sensor using spanner.
Install new sensor.
Replace cables, make connection, refit elbow, reconnect battery, close bonnett.

Off you go.

hth
Title: what is knock?
Post by: Red and Single on October 16, 2007, 08:53:48 PM
Thinking about it, finding the connector was fun iirc....otherwise fine though.
Title: what is knock?
Post by: ro284 on October 16, 2007, 09:06:49 PM
Thanks Dave, sounds as easy as changing a spark  plug! :cheers
Title: what is knock?
Post by: nikp on October 17, 2007, 08:57:59 AM
Quote from: Red and SingleReplaced mine ages ago as I was getting silly readings, it is much better now, but still get the odd silly one.

ditto. I did the same. I still get the odd silly reading. I just ignore them now! :D
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 17, 2007, 04:46:49 PM
i get 86 hitting red line in first gear reversing off driveway at 3 mph had 76 but gunning it to red line in 2nd + very low and if i back off n hit gas again hard it spikes a bit
Title: what is knock?
Post by: tezz12345 on October 17, 2007, 04:47:22 PM
is it only a real big problem if its high all time on boost
Title: what is knock?
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on October 17, 2007, 04:59:41 PM
I get readings over 140 on mine on full boost. I dont think the knock sensor does sod all anyway.