just had a tear up with a m3 convertible and couldnt shake him on the straight flooring it in 3rd until redline was just leaving him but not a lot!!
mine is 99spec twins standard no apexi etc..
should i be pulling away better than that??
need to change my alloys/tyres as grip not that good due to wrong sized wheels-18"" but only 8"" width allaround
do i change these first or do the apexi route first as im not having a bl***y bmr keeping up with me:reallymad .
dont want to do single conversion as only have 17000 miles on car.
or should i be getting my car checked???
:cheers
Depends what year M3 it was
Quote from: RobbieRX-7Depends what year M3 it was
think it was 04
tbh, m3\'s are pretty high powered. the evo is standard with crap fuel at 350!
Quote from: rico2k_uktbh, m3\'s are pretty high powered. the evo is standard with crap fuel at 350!
so better get an apexi on it then lol
yeah, i would. you have less weight but also less power then an m3. they are amazing cars! mate of mine took his classic shaped m3 evo to nurburgring and was cruising with great economy at 150! :D
You did well to pull away tbh. An E46 m3 is a pretty even match for a 320bhp fd
Quote from: rico2k_ukyeah, i would. you have less weight but also less power then an m3. they are amazing cars! mate of mine took his classic shaped m3 evo to nurburgring and was cruising with great economy at 150! :D
we did get a bit close to that(private road obviously lol)
Quote from: RobbieRX-7You did well to pull away tbh. An E46 m3 is a pretty even match for a 320bhp fd
didnt really pull away much only probably a car length then he was right behind me again when flooring it in 4th.too used to leaving cars behind i suppose.
you defo did well! the wierd thing is that in the m3 it feels so uninspiring when flooring it - tooo effortless! :D
Quote from: rico2k_ukyou defo did well! the wierd thing is that in the m3 it feels so uninspiring when flooring it - tooo effortless! :D
that used to bore the c**p out of me when i had a e36 alpina good rear wheel fun but u cant beat turbos for out and out fun:Thumbsup!
Thats good to hear I\'ve been looking at m3\'s as my daily driver
cant go wrong for a daily driver i have to put up with a vauxhall vivaro diesel van limited to 70mph:Hammer
After using an e30 318is (kind of like a baby M3) for a month I\'d absolutely love to have an e30 m3. I wouldn\'t give a damn that the power is a bit yesterday, they are so good to drive. With the risk of taking a flaming I\'d say they are a lot more usable on the limit than a high power Rx7. Not to say I\'d ever choose one over a Rex but for outright fun they are soooo good.
agreed. :D
Quote from: royalAfter using an e30 318is (kind of like a baby M3) for a month I\'d absolutely love to have an e30 m3. I wouldn\'t give a damn that the power is a bit yesterday, they are so good to drive. With the risk of taking a flaming I\'d say they are a lot more usable on the limit than a high power Rx7. Not to say I\'d ever choose one over a Rex but for outright fun they are soooo good.
i did like my e36 alpina as it taught me how to handle a rwd even if i did end up facing the wrong way a couple of times lol.dont think the handling was quite up to the m3 -never driven one but wouldnt mind a go in one now:yes
Quote from: nick englishjust had a tear up with a m3 convertible and couldnt shake him on the straight flooring it in 3rd until redline was just leaving him but not a lot!!
mine is 99spec twins standard no apexi etc..
should i be pulling away better than that??
need to change my alloys/tyres as grip not that good due to wrong sized wheels-18"" but only 8"" width allaround
do i change these first or do the apexi route first as im not having a bl***y bmr keeping up with me:reallymad .
dont want to do single conversion as only have 17000 miles on car.
or should i be getting my car checked???
:cheers
Hi
What are your specs? Is it all standard?
Incidentally, when you get an Apexi pfc you should be able to up the boost on both turbos a touch, say 5% but you will need a modified map not base map ( my boost is at 0.94 ) , you injector duty will go up a touch but to safe levels.. then you will leave M3s....I do, having said that my cat is removed and my air pump thus freeing around 50kilos, One less pulley for the engine to pull, I also have HKS super dragger and dragon performance mid pipe thus increasing the flow of the gases...
Mods above alone with a proper map will lift your bhp to well pass 300 atw
The other day a slated 3 year old Scooby, from standstill till 3rd I was around 5 cars ahead, I also had the mrs and a heavy computer tools bag with me
(All on private road)
Regards,
Michaelb
when I went to Wolverhampton to pick up Rexy, my mate took me down in his E36 M3, I was pulling away from that with an unmapped 260FWHP. But admittedly it has got almost 200k on the clock lol :Giggle
blitz induction,nur spec r back box only,blitz dump valve but that is it still have air con and cat and probably carrying about 60 kilos in the boot with all the fiberglass and wood in the boot with the ice install.def think apexi is next on the hitlist once i have sorted the wheels as the handling is not that great. dont know which to do first though
Quote from: michaelbHKS super dragger
If you look at the back box on these they\'re not straight through unfortunately....tho they do sound nice :) I\'ve ended up with an SMB one on mine and I can definitely say that is straight through.
dont play with the m5\'s
Quote from: nick englishblitz induction,nur spec r back box only,blitz dump valve but that is it still have air con and cat and probably carrying about 60 kilos in the boot with all the fiberglass and wood in the boot with the ice install.def think apexi is next on the hitlist once i have sorted the wheels as the handling is not that great. dont know which to do first though
...if you remove the cat ( and the air pump ) you will need the Apexi ECU , so get the Apexi first, put a modified map allowing for the cat removal then remove the cat, air pump and change the pulleys to accommodate for shorter belt
The day I had the Apexi installed and a modified map put on by ant on here, the car drove sensational, it was so much more responsive especially in the higher revs, it really felt like I had more power after the 4k revs. The big change was when I had the cat removed, it felt like I have been driving with a passenger all day and suddenly the passenger got off and the car was so much faster and lighter
You will love the drive immediately after the Apexi ECU gets installed with the right map...
Regards,
Michaelb
Quote from: probedbIf you look at the back box on these they\'re not straight through unfortunately....tho they do sound nice :) I\'ve ended up with an SMB one on mine and I can definitely say that is straight through.
I know what you mean but the HKS super dragger is miles better then the original mazda exhaust system which it is too restrictive and as you say the sound IMO is second to none.
My HKS box is massive hence the super sound, do you mean it has a slight bend in it? I am not sure if it makes so much difference if you system is around 3" in width like mine, mind you I could be wrong, my box’s "exit" is massive, you could almost put you head in it, dragon performance mid pipe is 3", being a 96 model I have no pre cat in the down pipe any way...
regards,
Michaelb
Super Dragger michael is talking about has 3" bore and 5 1/2" exit! better than stock (obviously) some models restrictive due to bends inside the rear back box itself.
many fans (and many haters :rollin)
Quote from: michaelb...if you remove the cat ( and the air pump ) you will need the Apexi ECU , so get the Apexi first, put a modified map allowing for the cat removal then remove the cat, air pump and change the pulleys to accommodate for shorter belt
The day I had the Apexi installed and a modified map put on by ant on here, the car drove sensational, it was so much more responsive especially in the higher revs, it really felt like I had more power after the 4k revs. The big change was when I had the cat removed, it felt like I have been driving with a passenger all day and suddenly the passenger got off and the car was so much faster and lighter
You will love the drive immediately after the Apexi ECU gets installed with the right map...
Regards,
Michaelb
looks like i will be getting the apexi before my new alloys then will see lum as he knows someone on here in the bristol area.
on the other point of my wheels should it make that much difference with the rear wheels being undersized as they are only 8"width with yoko avs sport rubber as handling seems to be a bit pants my r5gtt had soooo much more grip than my rex which squeals like a pig through roundabouts??
I\'ve got 8" rims all round and never get wheel spin even with my ported/single setup. Have you had your geometry checked? Also worth getting your suspension setup/ bushes checked incase they\'re knackered.
i had a play with an m3 convertable on an 02 plate. he wasnt keeping up with me, im running stock boost with just air filters and catback.
He did have two other guys with him tho and they were on the bigger side. But even so these cars are 300kgs more than a rex.
remember tho, this could end up turning into a vicious circle. cos theres always gonna be someone somewhere that you wont be able to keep up with.
Quote from: FD3SNuttahi had a play with an m3 convertable on an 02 plate. he wasnt keeping up with me, im running stock boost with just air filters and catback.
He did have two other guys with him tho and they were on the bigger side. But even so these cars are 300kgs more than a rex.
remember tho, this could end up turning into a vicious circle. cos theres always gonna be someone somewhere that you wont be able to keep up with.
probably dosent help me with all that weight i have in the boot-cant lift it on my own (maybe rip it out/redo ice)-going to go the apexi route first and then get bushes checked and maybe lower it a bit to give it a lower stance/better handling.
if i dont change my alloys that will save me a grand or so then i can afford to do it now:yes
Hey nick!
Where you gonna get the apexi from mate? Gimmie a shout when you\'ve got it all sorted & i\'ll put you in touch with the wizard of the laptop for tuning!
He\'s done quite a few members cars around bristol!
Quote from: m4drxSuper Dragger michael is talking about has 3" bore and 5 1/2" exit! better than stock (obviously) some models restrictive due to bends inside the rear back box itself.
That\'s the one, it\'s that it has all the bends inside the backbox.
Quote from: LumHey nick!
Where you gonna get the apexi from mate? Gimmie a shout when you\'ve got it all sorted & i\'ll put you in touch with the wizard of the laptop for tuning!
He\'s done quite a few members cars around bristol!
the cheapest i have found is from jps trading at £435 for the z006 (99-00)
delivered and will mark as gift so hopefully no tax but had some hks a little while a go and had to pay tax.
dont know if i can get it cheaper than that???
Clive at mazdarotaryparts just sold a brand new delivered pfc for £350. http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43358Should give you an idea of how much there going for
Nick
...just make sure that get the right Apexi as ther are 2 types for RX7s, one pre 95 and another post 95...
Regards,
Michaelb
Quote from: nick englishprobably dosent help me with all that weight i have in the boot-cant lift it on my own (maybe rip it out/redo ice)-going to go the apexi route first and then get bushes checked and maybe lower it a bit to give it a lower stance/better handling.
if i dont change my alloys that will save me a grand or so then i can afford to do it now:yes
so hang on you got a load of ice in your boot!!??! and you cant lift it on your own!!!! lollll your rx isnt a lightweight sports car anymore so no wonder your having problems shaking m3\'s off!!
lol bit too much fiberglass i think:eek:
Quote from: RobbieRX-7Clive at mazdarotaryparts just sold a brand new delivered pfc for £350. http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43358Should give you an idea of how much there going for
cheers m8 will take a look:Thumbs-up
just looked thats for the 95 without the commander
the £435 i got was for the post 99 with commander so looks like a good price then.
lol still mate, its a good excuse to upgrade your car, if
you get your car mapped by lums\' mate in bristol lett us know how it goes!
looks like you need the 414-AZ006. £329 + P+P to uk. This is where i got mine and a few others off here too. Will prob work out to £380 including delivery and import charges http://www.nengun.com/apexi/power-fc-hand-controller
Quote from: FD3SNuttahlol still mate, its a good excuse to upgrade your car, if
you get your car mapped by lums\' mate in bristol lett us know how it goes!
got next week off so will remove wood/fibreglass and redo(get rex on slimfast plan:rollin )
will let u know how i get on with the apexi and see liam up at cheddar meet in a couple of weeks:Thumbsup!
Quote from: RobbieRX-7looks like you need the 414-AZ006. £329 + P+P to uk. This is where i got mine and a few others off here too. Will prob work out to £380 including delivery and import charges http://www.nengun.com/apexi/power-fc-hand-controller
cool getting cheaper by the minute:Thumbs-up
did u have to wait a few weeks or was it quick??
I waited 4 weeks for mine. Parcel farce charged me £20 bend over charge. Still worked out the cheapest place on the planet for a new unit at the time.
Quote from: RobbieRX-7I waited 4 weeks for mine. Parcel farce charged me £20 bend over charge. Still worked out the cheapest place on the planet for a new unit at the time.
i ordered mine from there same sort of time frame but very cheap so worth the wait
Quote from: LumHey nick!
He\'s done quite a few members cars around bristol!
Certainly has. Me included! He is a god!
Quote from: Jimjitsui ordered mine from there same sort of time frame but very cheap so worth the wait
Oh, and i got mine from nengun too. They\'re prices are amazing. Bought my boost controller from them too.
Quote from: nick englishso better get an apexi on it then lol
I think you need more than an ecu ,if you meet up with the new V8 powered M3 with about 440 on tap.
if i come up against the new m3 it will have to be :flamed 007 style lol.
looks like i will order it off nengun as well tommorow and just wait for it as it will be worth the wait so could also buy the holder as well with the money saved.
you did well to beat a M3, was it smg or do ya know? ive raced my dad and my brother in there e46 m3s with smg and pull away only a small bit on both of them(one is convert and other is a coupe). mods are pfc full exhaust and filters. the e30 m3 is slow tho lol but sooo much fun to drive.
nice pic they got of there cars out side work. all the MMMMMMMMMs:chat
(http://www.irishperformancecars.com/images/a2.JPG)
(http://www.irishperformancecars.com/images/a4.JPG)
Same As The Light Blue One But Soft Top
You got shares in BMW! :eek
Hi guys, ex FD owner here, and now have a 02 M3 cabrio. A stock FD would NOT pull away from an E46 M3! My FD was fast but wouldn\'t pull away from an M3, let alone get infront! ALOT more torque and power than the FD. I loved my FD loads but the M3 is in a different league. 343BHP vs 255BHP? Yes, the M3 is heavier but also more horsepower and puts down more torque.
That silver e30 m3 above is a bit special. I\'d love to have one of those.
I used to have an E36 Evo and in a straight line 321bhp felt very quick.
I\'ve raced E46 M3\'S and there isnt much in it due to the E46 is heavy
If the FD and an M3 was starting from the mark then i\'d put my money on a standard FD until 120mph (in a straight line) but if both cars started from 40+mph the torque and power delivery in the M3 is so constant the FD would struggle bigtime IMO.
With an Apexi PFC i think an FD would p*ss on its chips all the way then hehe
Quote from: BLITZRX7FD3SHi guys, ex FD owner here, and now have a 02 M3 cabrio. A stock FD would NOT pull away from an E46 M3! My FD was fast but wouldn\'t pull away from an M3, let alone get infront! ALOT more torque and power than the FD. I loved my FD loads but the M3 is in a different league. 343BHP vs 255BHP? Yes, the M3 is heavier but also more horsepower and puts down more torque.
only one slight difference mine is a 1999 so has more bhp as standard and did pull away from him in third briefly-i think whilst he was changing gear lol but never realised how quick they were-I DO NOW!!!
That\'s why i said a 320bhp fd is an even match for a stock E46. My fd is 320bhp/279ft.Ibf. Stock E46 M3 us model 333bhp/262ft.Ibf. Obviously M3 is heavier than fd. I think my fd would be just a bit more quicker IMO I agree that a stock fd would NOT pull on a E46. Trouble is with the fd is that it\'s so good, owners think it will beat everything. Just not true though.
Quote from: RobbieRX-7That\'s why i said a 320bhp fd is an even match for a stock E46. My fd is 320bhp/279ft.Ibf. Stock E46 M3 us model 333bhp/262ft.Ibf. Obviously M3 is heavier than fd. I think my fd would be just a bit more quicker IMO I agree that a stock fd would NOT pull on a E46. Trouble is with the fd is that it\'s so good, owners think it will beat everything. Just not true though.
i agree i assumed my fd would beat an m3 but when i couldnt lose him i was a bit suprised,but one good thing to come out of it i have now finally ordered my apexi from nengun which i have been going on about getting for nearly 2 years lol.
how much more bhp would that add to my 99fd??
I\'m not 100% sure with the 99 model what bhp levels you\'d gain but i\'d def get a de-cat pipe to go with it as it should make a good difference with it.
Quote from: nick englishhow much more bhp would that add to my 99fd??
How long\'s a piece of string? It depends on how much money your willing to throw into it. To get the most on a stock engine you should upgrade injectors, fuel pump, fit better intercooler and decat the car. All this could cost another £600+ on top of the £300-400 mapping fee. Also it depends what tuner you take it to. Some squeese more power from them.
I bought it from these as it was the cheapest i\'ve seen by far and it was with me in 2 days and it is good quality aswel!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/92-01-MAZDA-RX7-FD3S-TURBO-DECAT-DE-CAT-EXHAUST-PIPE_W0QQitemZ220158892320QQihZ012QQcategoryZ38786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/92-01-MAZDA-RX7-FD3S-TURBO-DECAT-DE-CAT-EXHAUST-PIPE_W0QQitemZ220158892320QQihZ012QQcategoryZ38786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
I had a uk spec standard fd and could not keep up with my mates brand new M3.:Nono! At that point i was gutted to see him gunning me every time we went out. I bought a single turbo straight away and we went out again:3gears-rh this time i was keeping up with him but no big pull aways.
I then got the car mapped to 1bar with water injection with boost controller etc and that was it:burnout Every time we were out i gave him good run for his money. He has since got M5 now (*******) :Nono!
Quote from: RobbieRX-7How long\'s a piece of string? It depends on how much money your willing to throw into it. To get the most on a stock engine you should upgrade injectors, fuel pump, fit better intercooler and decat the car. All this could cost another £600+ on top of the £300-400 mapping fee. Also it depends what tuner you take it to. Some squeese more power from them.
to start with i will just do the apexi as i cant stop spending at the mo.then i will get a decat and remove air pump later.
i am getting a mate of lum to do it as he has done a few peoples cars on here.
Hello All
I have JUST SLATED, KEPT UP AND PASSED A FAIRLY NEW m3, it took 3rd gear but he was a goner mate…( on private road )
I have HKS super dragger, dragon performance de cat mid pipe, Apexi â€" boost up to 0.94, probably running 350BHP, no air pump, greddy pulleys, Tein suspension set on VERY HARD
M3 needs all that power as it ways at least 500kG more than a stock RX7
By removing the cat and the air pump I have also lost around 50KG
Regards,
Michaelb
Hello All
I have JUST SLATED (KEPT UP AND PASSED) A FAIRLY NEW m3, it took 3rd gear but he was a goner mate…( on private road )
I have HKS super dragger, dragon performance de cat mid pipe, Apexi â€" boost up to 0.94, probably running 350BHP, no air pump, greddy pulleys, Tein suspension set VERY HARD
M3 needs all that power as it ways at least 500kG more than a stock RX7
By removing the cat and the air pump I have also lost around 50KG
Regards,
Michaelb
The m3 musnt been trying
50KG for air pump and cat? Sounds a bit optimistic to me ;)
Quote from: 12AThe m3 musnt been trying
defo was, any way here it is on paper..
M3
322BHP, 1750 KG
My RX
350BHP, 1175KG
We stopped and echanged comments and yes he was flat out
In farness, it took all the way to 3rd to passs him...from stand still,
Regards,
Michaelb
Quote from: thetera50KG for air pump and cat? Sounds a bit optimistic to me ;)
not sure excactly, stock cat is very heavy I have held it in my hands- so maybe £35.00 in total, it does make a diferance mate..ask any drag racer, every kilo does
Regards,
Michaelb
M3 Convertabler specs off BMV site
Insurance Group: 20
Fuel: 23.7 mpg
CO2: 292 g/km
Engine Size: 3246 cc
Power : 343 bhp
0-60: 5.2 s
Compare that to a "slightly" modded RX7 like mine..
Regards,
Michaelb
a good apexi ecu map and commander can really make that much difference?
Quote from: Paul1982With an Apexi PFC i think an FD would p*ss on its chips all the way then hehe
…get a proper modified map like ant on here put on my ECU with boost up by 7% - 10% Remove the nasty flow blocking cat and you will see the increase of power especially in the higher rev counter ( personal experience ).
The above mods will be most noticeable and pleasurable performance mods you will notice on stock twins…
Regards,
Michaelb
what are you stock? 280BHP? extra 70BHP just by increasing boost with a de-cat and apexi ecu and decent map?
didn\'t have to mess with injectors or fuel pumps, etc?
Quote from: michaelbI have HKS super dragger, dragon performance de cat mid pipe, Apexi â€" boost up to 0.94, probably running 350BHP, no air pump, greddy pulleys,
Apexi, mild porting and decent breather mods and you can kiss an m3 goodbye all day long and then throw some flames at him :flamed
EDIT: M3\'s are quick cars though, no matter what people say
Quote from: fdloverwhat are you stock? 280BHP? extra 70BHP just by increasing boost with a de-cat and apexi ecu and decent map?
didn\'t have to mess with injectors or fuel pumps, etc?
OK,
My car is a 96 RB Bathurst ( jap import ) jap RXs have a touch more BHP, I guess the figure above is more or less correct. My injectors are right up to 94% duty thou so that is all I can get...similar car at powergains was mapped with the above mods and got just under 350BHP, HKS racing suction kit ( around £400 new ) should also give a turbo (and my car ) car around 10 or so more BHP
Regartds,
Michaelb
Quote from: MimsApexi, mild porting and decent breather mods and you can kiss an m3 goodbye all day long and then throw some flames at him :flamed
EDIT: M3\'s are quick cars though, no matter what people say
spot on mate, I am the living proof of that...
Regards,
Michaelb
i cant wait 4 my apexi to turn up and get it mapped asap,should be soooooo much more fun lol
Quote from: Paul1982I bought it from these as it was the cheapest i\'ve seen by far and it was with me in 2 days and it is good quality aswel!!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/92-01-MAZDA-RX7-FD3S-TURBO-DECAT-DE-CAT-EXHAUST-PIPE_W0QQitemZ220158892320QQihZ012QQcategoryZ38786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/92-01-MAZDA-RX7-FD3S-TURBO-DECAT-DE-CAT-EXHAUST-PIPE_W0QQitemZ220158892320QQihZ012QQcategoryZ38786QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
didnt realise they were so cheap bargain.and i have just been paid today hehe
Quote from: nick englishdidnt realise they were so cheap bargain.and i have just been paid today hehe
You will absolutely love the mods when you get in the car, do it all at once, dont drive with out the right map for your mods...
I don’t know which model you have but mine had no pre cat in the down pipe, you may have it( UK models do ), if so, you also should get a de cat down pipe â€" dead cheap too form dragon
Regards,
Michaelb
thats what i intend to do i will prep everything before the mapping.
i have a 1999 type rb so presume that decat from e-bay will do?
Quote from: nick englishthats what i intend to do i will prep everything before the mapping.
i have a 1999 type rb so presume that decat from e-bay will do?
OK, you also have no pre cat like me ( I think ) , the ebay mid pipe looks OK to me, ask around thou - I have the dragon performance pipe..
Regards,
Michaelb
Quote from: michaelbOK, you also have no pre cat like me ( I think ) , the ebay mid pipe looks OK to me, ask around thou - I have the dragon performance pipe..
Regards,
Michaelb
ok thanx m8
I think there is a bit of difference between a E36 and E46. Ive had a go with a E36 and he couldnt keep up, thats when my rx was running around 300bhp. E46 look awesome and the CSL is meant to be pretty quick and lighter than the normal one
car year bhp weight 0-60 qm
BMW M3 Coupe E36 98 286 1460 5.52 13.84
BMW M3 Coupe E46 02 343 1577 5.08 13.33
BMW M3 Coup CSL E46 03 355 1385 4.49 12.74
E36 M3\'s from 96 on were 321 BHP
m3 on a roundabout looks like a munter as it cannot stick its ass out lol
fd on a roundabout looks like a sex goddess as it sticks its ass out and says-well u know the rest!! hehehehe
:InLove
Quote from: MimsE36 M3\'s from 96 on were 321 BHP
wasant it the M3 Evo which was 320??? im not sure i dont realy know that much about BMWs myself, use to listen to my mate goin on about them thou when he had one
M3 Evo is 321bhp but the average e36 Evo Evo come out of the factory between 305-315bhp this was the first time BMW have over e[FONT=\'Times New Roman\']xaggerated [/FONT] there figures and the last time too lol - the E46 say 345bhp when more ofter its more!
Yea they said evo\'s were 321bhp as this means they got 1 bhp for each 10cc. Nobbers eh lol :spank.