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Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: RobMatthews on August 07, 2007, 07:55:16 PM
Hey people what is your top speeds in the fd3s generation rx7? i was only wondering as whilst out last night i only pipped an evo 5 to 170mph and i still wanna go faster but thats about where i top out so what can i do to get faster? obviously more bhp is required but will changing the diff or final gear ratios help and if so by how much?any other recommendations, cheers rob:Thumbs-up
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: Jame5 on August 07, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
Evo5!?! 170MPH!?! What was done to it? If your clock is fairly accurate you should be proud that you beat such a powerful Evo. What mods have you done to the car already?
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: TonyC on August 07, 2007, 09:08:04 PM
I think the old speedo is fibbing, Evo 5 will only do around a genuine 143mph. Unless they have changed the gearing/fitted really big wheels/giving the enigne an extra 1000 or more rpm rev range (which would mean it wold be heding towards a 9000rpm red line - not sur if the old 4G63 would stand that much).
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: chrisJDM on August 07, 2007, 09:08:50 PM
nice driving on a private road there rob ;)

I also on a private road tested mine out, the speedo went of the clock as its quite far out the faster you go, and i had the commander set to record speed, it showed 168mph and still had a bit more in it but was a little wet and approaching a curve in the private road so let off.

I think mines running around 400bhp @ fly on twins
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: carlos on August 07, 2007, 09:28:45 PM
my speedo wasnt working wen i had a blat with a r1, revs in 5th were 7100rpm aint got a clue but it was hardon material! lol

plus no speedo is accurate, ne1 can say o yea ive done 175 when really it was 155!
if u can state that ure fd will do over 170mph then i wanna c u go through a fixed camera as they recon it wont clock u over 173mph ish!
my old evo 4 would only do 150 so unless the evo 5 had sum serious power 143 sounds rite!
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: RedRummy on August 07, 2007, 09:53:31 PM
Quote from: sweetiewellsnice driving on a private road there rob ;)

I also on a private road tested mine out, the speedo went of the clock as its quite far out the faster you go, and i had the commander set to record speed, it showed 168mph and still had a bit more in it but was a little wet and approaching a curve in the private road so let off.

I think mines running around 400bhp @ fly on twins

holy sh1t, 168mph in the wet...!!!   you\'re a braver man than I!!!
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: chrisJDM on August 07, 2007, 10:22:24 PM
hehe makes it more fun :Laugh
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: m4drx on August 07, 2007, 10:46:43 PM
i raced a evo4 or 5 and he kept backing off or running out of puff around 140 so would not go anymore over at all.

the gap from 100 up was huge the fd just goes and goes :D
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: iaint on August 07, 2007, 10:52:21 PM
Quote from: sweetiewellsand i had the commander set to record speed

Unless you\'re running stock wheels that\'s not going to be accurate by a decent margin unfortunately.

GPS (if you\'re at a constant speed) or a proper beam based timing setup is the ouly real way to measure top speed...

My speedo is quite a way out at high speeds.  Was readying well north of 180 (i.e. off the scale) when I clocked 173mph through timing beams at Bruntingthorp.  Was pretty okay but going much faster will require diff/gearing changes.

It took something in the order of 100bhp increase to take the car from 154 to 173 in the same distance!  Looking to break 180 later this year but cooling and diff need sorting before then.

It\'s not great to be hitting the rev limiter in 5th under that kind of load condition :)
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: gsb876 on August 08, 2007, 07:07:52 AM
From what i gather the rotary is suspect when doing top speed runs thus will prob never find out what the top end is in mine :Nono!
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: RobMatthews on August 08, 2007, 06:12:25 PM
i\'ll get a sat nav recording tonight as people have said the standard speed o  becomes a bit out at certain speeds the evo was running about 400 bhp remember though they loose a lot of bhp through the transmission,about 100 bhp in some. Anyway can the apexi commander be relied on for more accurate reading? i have noticed there is differences between the apexi and standard speedo.
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: carlos on August 08, 2007, 06:31:40 PM
next thread will be "i got caught doing....."    lol
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: Jame5 on August 08, 2007, 07:33:33 PM
The apexi seems more accurate, but still not the same reading as the GPS. I did 167mph with basic mods (on a German de-restricted road:) ). The clock showed 178 and I\'m pretty sure the Apexi was between those two readings. Odd. I\'d be happy if I beat a 400bhp evo in my RX7.
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: iaint on August 08, 2007, 11:55:26 PM
Quote from: gsb876From what i gather the rotary is suspect when doing top speed runs thus will prob never find out what the top end is in mine :Nono!

Very true...

Obvious if you think about it though - at high speed you\'re putting it under the most load you can - huge air resistance and you\'re heading towards max rpm.

You\'re in a part of the map that is probably nerver touched except at speeds north of 160mph and most tuners don\'t have the resources to sort out or mimic on the dyno or road.

Temps are likely to be high and airflow/pressures under the bonnet are going to be doing slightly odd things.

I lost my last engine under these circumstances (chipped a tip) so the new engine is built and mapped with this in mind :)
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: Ricco_04 on August 09, 2007, 12:14:46 AM
I remember reading thats why people where changing to a faster acting temp sensor. Those speeds are darn quick though! :eek:
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: seven93 on August 23, 2007, 08:39:00 PM
Hi

I\'ve done 305 kph in my FD, but that is what the speedometer was showing. I don\'t know what the accurate speed was...:)

Here is a video of the run...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C7D32432-CCDC-4FBA-B130-7808C4AE4E51.htm (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C7D32432-CCDC-4FBA-B130-7808C4AE4E51.htm)
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: G@NDY on August 23, 2007, 08:49:15 PM
^ what a great sounding 7, how long is that tunnel !!!!!!!!!!!:eek :eek
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: seven93 on August 23, 2007, 08:59:03 PM
I think it is aprox. 4 km..
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: grinder on August 23, 2007, 09:01:17 PM
it wasnt me - but a mate of mine "says" he got 189 on the commander

he was on a straight on the ring and had to slow down for cones ??

he drove like a looney - so i tend to believe it :D
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: DC-TYPER on August 24, 2007, 07:53:24 AM
road angel or sat nav will give best readings for speed, my top speed is 70mph lol
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: CharlieP on August 24, 2007, 08:37:58 AM
where you getting these top speeds from....mine cuts out at 110mph....ahhh maybe thats the restricter :Hammer lol :driving  
anyway...keeps me safe :3gears-lh
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: grinder on August 24, 2007, 09:43:03 AM
my cab cuts out at 112 - the joys of Jap ecu\'s eh :(
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: RobMatthews on August 24, 2007, 03:15:19 PM
do the apexi commanders have recall on the speed or is it just stuff like engine parameters?if so how do you find it?
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: mikeyh on August 24, 2007, 05:01:09 PM
alegadly(sp)iv been seen doing 135mph on 4th gear and alegadly 145 mph in 5th but from what was said i had alot more to go

all i need to do now is find my own little private runway and see if these aligations are true
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: kev-yorks on August 24, 2007, 07:28:15 PM
I don\'t approve of speeding in any way but on a private test track last summer i got a gps data log showing 190.3 over just under a mile then had to lift off to let the black FD following catch up.
Kevin
Title: Peoples top speeds?
Post by: 88GT-R on August 24, 2007, 07:35:03 PM
170mph over a staning mile.
James Wilday ran 177 over the same distance.

Both at TOTB