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General => General Technical => Wheels & Tyres, Suspension & Brakes => Topic started by: Matts-gen2 on June 07, 2007, 09:18:45 AM

Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on June 07, 2007, 09:18:45 AM
Is there any way you can add ABS to an FC that doesnt have ABS?

Matt

:3Confused
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Prof on June 07, 2007, 09:28:14 AM
It\'s possible but a lot of work :
 
Probably more than that but can\'t remember the rest.
 
Just use cadence or progressive braking and get good rubber on your wheels.
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on June 07, 2007, 09:32:25 AM
Just feel like their bit spongy, and squeek alot!

Pads and discs look okay.

Change brake fluid and dont drive as fast good suggestions?
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: antnicuk on June 07, 2007, 09:40:02 AM
abs wont help those problems
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on June 07, 2007, 09:52:33 AM
Okay.

Just thought there may be a way of improving the brakes to slow down the llittle rocket.  Once it goes, seems a shame to slow down earlier if you dont have to.

haha.

Thanks for the help.

Matt
   :3gears-lh
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Prof on June 07, 2007, 11:39:08 AM
Upgrade disks and pads - that\'s the best way to get more stopping power.
 
Stock FC calipers are pretty good - with the right pads and disks you can halve your stopping distance.  I use Black diamond disks and Hawk pads, but there are plenty of good choices out there.  It\'s worth spending money on brakes - you only get one chance at stopping :)
 
Other good and cheap mods:
 
Change brake fluid (it gets tired) - use dot 4 or dot 5
Use braided brake lines
Do a health check on all the lines and seals
Bleed the brakes
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on July 09, 2007, 04:19:14 PM
Just wondering the brake fluid reservoir says only use dot 3 fluid, is this a set in stone statement?

Or can dot 4 or 5 be used safely?

Matt
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Paul-Tll on July 09, 2007, 05:31:29 PM
Minimum of DOT3:D
P.
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Brett on July 09, 2007, 05:42:49 PM
DOT 4 can be safely used in DOT 3 systems, the stock FC setup should not feel spongy???
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: RotorHeid on July 09, 2007, 06:57:50 PM
Interesting about brake systems!
improving brakes on the budget.
 Standard disks with 4 slots(2slots per side at 90* apart like this I I) with cutter grinding say "2 light cuts" per slots.
 standard mazda brake pads:- add extra slot with 2 hacksaw blade and cut 90* apart like this +.  4 blocks per pads
Brake fluid=5.1 dot with adjustable prop valve e.g trion ( forgot spelling)
It\'s works for me!!:Thumbsup!
Don\'t do it if not happy with it.

All is for sprint race:-short, fast and hard braking track and no place for error!
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on July 09, 2007, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: BrettDOT 4 can be safely used in DOT 3 systems, the stock FC setup should not feel spongy???

I think the spongyness at the end of braking is the brake master cylinder knackered maybe

ill change the fluid and see if it improves, if not anyone got a brake  master cylinder laying around.

Mite add master cylinder stopper aswell.

Thanx
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on July 16, 2007, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: ian duncanInteresting about brake systems!
improving brakes on the budget.
 Standard disks with 4 slots(2slots per side at 90* apart like this I I) with cutter grinding say "2 light cuts" per slots.
 standard mazda brake pads:- add extra slot with 2 hacksaw blade and cut 90* apart like this +.  4 blocks per pads
Brake fluid=5.1 dot with adjustable prop valve e.g trion ( forgot spelling)
It\'s works for me!!:Thumbsup!
Don\'t do it if not happy with it.

All is for sprint race:-short, fast and hard braking track and no place for error!

Anyone got an alright set of disks and pads?

This trick sound cost effective, mite be worth a try.

:3gears-lh
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Brett on July 16, 2007, 12:48:05 PM
^ I had this exact setup on my EGI - I was using Greenstuff pads though - seriously good braking ability :D :god
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: interloper393 on July 16, 2007, 12:53:39 PM
swop your calipers to fd ones, should be almost a straight swop? then good pads n disc`s, braided hose, brake stopper and good fluids and you`ll be amazed at how good they`ll become :)
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on July 16, 2007, 12:55:01 PM
any chance you can send a pic of how the disks should be modified?

Would help a great deal.

How much is a set of greenstuff pads all round?

Thanx
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: interloper393 on July 16, 2007, 12:57:07 PM
iv found greenstuff are poo.. red stuff are better i think but theres better still,.. think about £80-£100 for all rounds about the price bud
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: RotorHeid on July 16, 2007, 04:43:13 PM
Interloper,
Stick the fd\'s up the Ayrshire cow and it\'s moo!:Thumbsup!
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: Matts-gen2 on July 16, 2007, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: ian duncanInterloper,
Stick the fd\'s up the Ayrshire cow and it\'s moo!:Thumbsup!

Im sure the cow will be happy! HaHa!

Can you write that bit about the cutting and grinding again please?  or a diagram may be easier.

Thanks,

:)
Title: Abs - Fc???
Post by: interloper393 on July 16, 2007, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: ian duncanInterloper,
Stick the fd\'s up the Ayrshire cow and it\'s moo!:Thumbsup!


whats that meant to mean :S