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Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on April 14, 2007, 06:28:54 PM
Ok

Could someone please take a look at the pic and tell me I\'ve undone/removed enough to free the turbos.

I\'ve undone all the small pipes and stuff

Thanks
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: db2boy on April 14, 2007, 07:04:05 PM
Undo the 2 bolts with the "U" on as well :)

Ant
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on April 14, 2007, 08:49:09 PM
Thanks Ant

There will be more..........................

John


Lost the engine through water leak and looking at the rotors as they come round, tips look intact and there\'s no swarf or bits in the turbos just oily gunge so fingers crossed
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: Jim_rx7 on April 14, 2007, 11:04:42 PM
Do a step by step of your progress with pics? (would be interested to see).
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on April 15, 2007, 03:22:10 PM
Will think about doing a progress report but for now have another problem to resolve.

Almost down to the block but can\'t budge the pully nut, so far I\'ve split a
19mm socket, used a better quality one and split the extension bar.

I guess the only way is to take the block to a garage who have air tools, so looks like I\'ve ground to a halt for today.

John
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: Martiny on April 16, 2007, 09:12:47 AM
You probably need a 3/4 inch breaker bar, thats what I had to use to remove it on the 12A.

How are you going to remove the fylwheel nut, then ! ?
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: Ricco_04 on April 16, 2007, 11:00:34 AM
Quote from: johnfAlmost down to the block but can\'t budge the pully nut, so far I\'ve split a 19mm socket, used a better quality one and split the extension bar.

I found that nut to be a right PITA - the reat where easy in comparison!  I used lots of heat, braced the engine and used a suitable breaker bar.

Lots of bad language is also reccomended :Giggle
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: mx1311 on April 16, 2007, 11:06:16 AM
john im in solihull

give me a bell if you need the f/w removal tool, 54mm socket and or a hand

regards
colum
07717710051
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: BlitzBoy on April 16, 2007, 11:47:55 AM
air impact tools are the way to go for those flywheel\\front pully bolts :D
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on April 16, 2007, 02:52:42 PM
Well the pully finally came of with the second air tool first one just wasn\'t up to it.

The flywheel was a mission, manufactured a pull plate, heat and hammer took a lot of encouragement but it\'s off [thanks to Craig] - now down to the middle bit.

Any more suprises lurking in there?????
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on April 16, 2007, 08:31:49 PM
Well it\'s in bits, apart from the front pulley and flywheel it wasn\'t too bad.

I\'ve taken about 130 pics and although it looks a mess in the attached pic, there is a system. I have three rows and I will start where I laid the last bit.

Just seem to have mislaid the valves, but i\'m sure i\'ll find them. :rollin

Will it be back together for the spring meet at Haynes Museum, perhaps we ought to take the opotunity to lobby them for an FD book.
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: ro284 on April 16, 2007, 08:42:37 PM
Are you going to port it John? or anything special while it\'s out?
Good luck Bob
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on April 16, 2007, 08:47:59 PM
tbh I think I\'m past the age of wanting more tham the original spec delivers. Sad I know but there it is.

Also I\'m of the mind that when Mazda created the FD they built the engine with a balance of durability [don\'t all laugh at once] and performance in mind, albeit with no consideration to fuel economy whatsoever.

John
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: kev-yorks on April 16, 2007, 09:00:16 PM
Go on John you know you want a bridge port in there:Laugh
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: ro284 on April 16, 2007, 09:01:32 PM
Quotetbh I think I\'m past the age of wanting more than the original spec delivers. Sad I know but there it is.
Likewise John, i\'m sat here wondering why iv\'e bought a pfc, huge DP, Dolphin ex, and saving for a mid pipe! when the car runs perfect never floods pops or bangs.
I\'d rather be building a Rotary that my scorpio thats just lost a conrod thing!,:mad:
Hope all goes smoothly with it, see you at haynes meet, that\'ll be two silver FD. s
Bob
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on April 17, 2007, 07:25:07 PM
I\'ve taken the plenum off and was expecting more pipes, is this the normal amount or as someone said it has less being a later model
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: Martiny on April 18, 2007, 08:20:29 AM
John, mine\'s a 92 and definitely has many more pipes than that.
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Post by: HaywardRotary on April 18, 2007, 08:43:51 AM
John

thats because its a later model, the rats nest was replaced with that black box, this contains a load of air ways which replace the pipes seen on the earlier models...very neat and tidy....

good work John


Rmaj

Hayward Rotary
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on May 13, 2007, 02:30:46 PM
Ok

I\'ve built the block and have started to reassemble all the other stuff.


I\'m sure i\'ll get it all back together in the end but if there\'s anyone around my area thats done this before and could spare a little time, the help would be most appreciated.

John
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on May 14, 2007, 07:39:46 PM
OK anyone in my area got the dreaded 54mm socket?
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: mx1311 on May 15, 2007, 10:21:35 AM
i have one you can borrow john

im by you to if you want to come collect it

regards

colum

07717 710 051
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: Jonathan_F on May 15, 2007, 10:17:03 PM
Hi John,

You offered to help me when I was doing mine so I\'ll return the favour. Any questions or broken bits etc. Mines off the road so we can rape and pillage if need be.

Jonathan
07779 11 69 43
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on May 20, 2007, 09:33:19 AM
Back together at last.

Thanks to all those who ahelped along the way.

The car + engine of off to be checked over and joined together on Tues.

I hope it works after all this.


John
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Post by: RobbieRX-7 on May 20, 2007, 09:43:31 AM
Quote from: johnfI hope it works after all this.


John


That has gotta be THE  most nerve racking part of the whole build imo:2Rolleyes
What parts did you replace then john? Did you reuse the housings, apex seals etc
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on May 20, 2007, 10:16:44 AM
I was lucky, as it was a water leak I stopped driving it.

Carl examined the rotors, housings and plates and said they were all in v/good nick so took his advice and did all the seals, tips, \'o\' rings etc.

The only non broke thing he advised me to replace was the water pump.

John
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on May 20, 2007, 10:36:08 AM
Sounds like the same situation as me. All plates look good nick, but the gasket on the waterpump is a right sod to get off. I may as well replace the thing. How much was it john?
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: johnf on May 20, 2007, 10:43:46 AM
Didn\'t seprate the parts by price just paid a lump sum for all the bits.

Didn\'t have any trouble with the water pump gasket - the funny shaped one or the regular shaped one on the housing to block?

Only had one bolt left over as well, pretty pleased with that.
Title: And so it begins - diy rebuild questions
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on May 20, 2007, 11:06:57 AM
I never had trouble with any other gaskets. I used loctite 7200 gasket remover, but it dont wanna shift the gasket on the waterpump plate with the wheel on. I\'ve tried everything, blow torch, boiling water, even a wire brush in a drill. Im just gonna replace it whiles it\'s off. Was just wondering how much they cost?
Title: And So It Ends
Post by: johnf on June 02, 2007, 08:53:14 PM
I’ve just checked the date I started this post, 14th April, with car coming off the road in March it\'s about 10 weeks…………..took a long time.


Well it’s running again, not perfect but very close and I’m pretty chuffed that it goes at all.

I can’t take all the credit and claim it was a total DIY job, so as per award ceremonies there are ppl I would like to thank.

Knowing Carl was always there in the background to offer his expertise and advice was invaluable, not forgetting his great team who answered all the noob questions professionally without making me look stupid.
I don’t think I would have tackled the project without the support from Hayward Rotary.

Another great guy from the Forum [although his FD is LS1] Craig [tinker27] who took the engine out for me and is booked to tidy up an oil leak from the sump, my fault.

And Gary, I found the rebuilt DVD’s he sells a tremendous help, would have struggled without them.

So apart from the oil leak, running-in and check over I think I’m just about sorted.

Tell you what though sitting behind an engine when you know every nut and bolt intimately is a scary thing, all those things that could go wrong.

Still I guess I’ll find it easier next time aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.