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General => General Technical => Topic started by: strange_days_uk on October 25, 2006, 12:39:45 PM

Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: strange_days_uk on October 25, 2006, 12:39:45 PM
See previous thread for spec (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29113)


Look at my goodies, Carl to put on soon -

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/strange_days_uk/Tubby002.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/strange_days_uk/Tubby001.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/strange_days_uk/Tubby003.jpg)

Cast manifold, Garrrett T04S tub, 1.00 AR hotside, 0.7 coldside, HKS downpipe, new boost controller cause the old one seems to have a dodgy solonoid.

Answers on a post card please, prize this time is a pack of pringles.  However, have to wait a while though cause my deal with Carl is that he gets to keep her for 3-4 weeks.

He is gonna put 16xx cc secondaries in, and replace the 850 primaries with stock 550 jobbies.  Prob gonna map to 1.2 bar ish, although I plan to run her at 1.0 Bar so this is the power guestimate.  I shall await your guesses first before I make mine, although considering she ran 322 atw at 1.0 Bar on stock twins, I expect 350 +

Fat lot of good it will be in wet winter though !!  :2eek
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: cannibal on October 25, 2006, 12:42:44 PM
I\'m not expert, but I\'d want about 370 from that.
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: BlitzBoy on October 25, 2006, 02:41:30 PM
357 rwhp

How much is the parts going to cost you?
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: iaint on October 25, 2006, 03:07:39 PM
What downpipe is that?  Looks pretty skinny!
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: sadgoth on October 25, 2006, 03:18:11 PM
do we get a prize if we get the exact figure?

361atw :)
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: strange_days_uk on October 25, 2006, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: BlitzBoy357 rwhp

How much is the parts going to cost you?

Already bought

tub (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=190031659525&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT)

ebc (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRUST-GREDDY-PROFEC-B-SPEC-2-BOOST-CONTROLLER-TURBO_W0QQitemZ280027087978QQihZ018QQcategoryZ72205QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

hks manifold and downpipe from RHD Japan about £200 delivered

the injectors will be supplied by Carl, and any other bits needed.
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: Ed_RX7 on October 25, 2006, 06:58:29 PM
348atw............
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: Adie Moore on October 27, 2006, 05:52:02 PM
I\'ll have a punt at 364. what u doing with your old 850\'s, would be interested at the right price. cheers
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: strange_days_uk on October 27, 2006, 08:03:01 PM
Quote from: Adie MooreI\'ll have a punt at 364. what u doing with your old 850\'s, would be interested at the right price. cheers

They will be for sale with the modified primary fuel rail, as well as some other bits.

I think Grizly has dibs on the HKS downpipe, I don\'t really wanna start promising things to people yet.  I will put it all up for sale at decent prices once all sorted, gonna be a good month yet though.
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: John Yorke on October 27, 2006, 11:32:28 PM
your 350 looks to be on the money
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: Red and Single on October 28, 2006, 08:42:54 AM
My bet - 368 at 1.0 bar.

I\'ve a similar tubby and saw 338 at 0.85 bar at RE:Worx (Stock injectors !) although I think RE:Worx\' dyno might read a little high copared to most...
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: nurspec on December 05, 2006, 01:03:09 AM
353 RWHP , My guess.
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: strange_days_uk on December 05, 2006, 09:35:32 AM
Well, today is the day although Carl doesn\'t have a dyno so will have to wait until I get a power run someday soon..
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: Red and Single on April 28, 2007, 07:57:37 PM
Did you ever get it dyno\'d ??
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: dubber91 on April 28, 2007, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: Red and SingleMy bet - 368 at 1.0 bar.

I\'ve a similar tubby and saw 338 at 0.85 bar at RE:Worx (Stock injectors !) although I think RE:Worx\' dyno might read a little high copared to most...


not the first time ive heard that. They use a dynodynamics unit and they are far better IMO than inertia dynos

whilst grip is less of a problem, the dual roller does affect horsepower figures.
There are pros and cons of each design. Hub dynos may even be seen as more accurate.

i still wouldnt trust the flywheel horsepower figures though....
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: strange_days_uk on April 29, 2007, 11:10:56 AM
I have to swap out my clutch, then will defo get it dynoed soon although I have a horrid idea that rebuild time is looming !!
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: John Yorke on April 29, 2007, 10:27:16 PM
Quote from: dubber91not the first time ive heard that. They use a dynodynamics unit and they are far better IMO than inertia dynos

whilst grip is less of a problem, the dual roller does affect horsepower figures.
There are pros and cons of each design. Hub dynos may even be seen as more accurate.

i still wouldnt trust the flywheel horsepower figures though....

Heard this soooo many times, compleat bollox to be frank, I was at the Thor dyno day yesterday and brought with me my last dyno graph from REworx and guess what..............both were almost identical, within .2hp at the flywheel.
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 29, 2007, 10:29:40 PM
I reckon a dynapack will give you quite different figures.
Title: How many horses do you think I will have PART II
Post by: dubber91 on April 30, 2007, 08:53:59 AM
Quote from: John YorkeHeard this soooo many times, compleat bollox to be frank, I was at the Thor dyno day yesterday and brought with me my last dyno graph from REworx and guess what..............both were almost identical, within .2hp at the flywheel.


perhaps you were lucky, and ran on similar conditions.

I run a dyno dynamics dyno daily and regularly see around 3BHP difference from DAY TO DAY on a car i mapped and run every day. On this particular car thats a 3% variation from day to day. On a 300HP FD thats 10HP fluctuation daily.
Not that it matters: Im happy if the AFRs remain consistent and the graphs are the same shape.
There is nothing wrong with working with a dyno back-to -back like this, its when you start running your vehicle on several differnt dynos that you will experience major fluctuation