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General => General Technical => Anything Engine/Performance/Tuning related => Topic started by: G@NDY on September 28, 2006, 07:23:19 PM

Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on September 28, 2006, 07:23:19 PM
Been putting my thinking cap on, and i came up with this;

Ive been after a bov for a while as the compressor stall doesnt sound to clever for the turbo. I was told i could put one on the elbow, and that i had a joint and a hose (capped off with a bolt) near the throttle body.

So i got my original bov and cut the hose and fitted it like so;

Is this a waste of time? will it handle 1.2 bar and will it work?????.:rolleyes:

 Cheers andy:Ladys-man :Laugh
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: MillSpeed on September 28, 2006, 07:30:14 PM
It\'s gotta be better than nothing!
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: ro284 on September 28, 2006, 07:31:23 PM
can\'t see it working there at all! that\'s on the intake
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: MillSpeed on September 28, 2006, 07:35:16 PM
It\'s plumbed in just before the throttle body, probably the best place for a dump valve.
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Prof on September 28, 2006, 07:35:35 PM
...which is where it should be - the idea of a BOV is to release the pressure between the throttle plates (which are shut) and the compressor wheel - so as long as it is somewhere between either of those 2 points it\'s ok.
 
The real question is can the stock recirc valve hold off 1.2 Bar, and will it stay airtight when it\'s supposed to and not leak boost out of your intake.
 
I think it should work - question is how well.:)
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on September 28, 2006, 07:53:43 PM
Thanks for the input guys:driving
The 1.2 is high boost and it rarely see\'s that unless the cars being used in anger. So I reackon it might be okey as a tempory measure running at the lower 0.9 bar, until funds allow, then will probably replace it with a forge/bailey item.:Santa
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Ricco_04 on September 28, 2006, 08:29:18 PM
Crackin!  I Like it! :cool

But agree that 1.2bar on those babies will probably damage them to vent almost always!
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Grizzly on September 28, 2006, 08:32:37 PM
I don\'t know why some one has\'nt thought of that already??? Thats spot on, you could\'nt put it any better place.

Can\'t you route the Vac pipe a bit better though ;) you want it as short as poss while still on the Engine side of the Throttles.
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Ricco_04 on September 28, 2006, 08:43:20 PM
I used tiny cable ties to route a boost pipe in with all the brake lines - works pretty well - that should work :yes
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Grizzly on September 28, 2006, 08:45:49 PM
It should work well.

So does it make a nice Noise :)
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Ricco_04 on September 28, 2006, 08:51:10 PM
Without meaning to jump in : It is actually pretty good, It\'s also pretty loud! :burnout
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Grizzly on September 28, 2006, 08:56:14 PM
is that from inside or outside?
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: maximtaylor on September 28, 2006, 10:50:35 PM
I used to run my single turbo with that setup, worked fine.
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Ricco_04 on September 29, 2006, 05:37:53 PM
Quote from: Grizzlyis that from inside or outside?

Aint heard it from outside but it\'s just the right volume inside - just a short burst but it\'s reasonable.

Im thinking of changing to an SSQV when I get hard pipes & go to 1bar.
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on September 29, 2006, 06:16:38 PM
Super duper, at last gandy does something right:rolleyes: :Santa

Havent fired her up yet so dont know how it sounds, looking forward to tomorrow !!!! hope the sun has its hat on!
QuoteCan\'t you route the Vac pipe a bit better though
Yep your right, that does need sorting:p
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Rixio on September 30, 2006, 01:24:17 AM
I have that spigot on the elbow blocked off by a rubber nipple & clamp?!? What is it supposed to go to?
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: MillSpeed on September 30, 2006, 07:12:58 AM
It\'s supposed to be like that on J-Spec cars, it\'s only used on US spec cars (something to do with AWS)
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on September 30, 2006, 09:25:09 AM
I think mine was used, it had a 10 inch hose on it, blocked off by a bolt. (this was done when i had some fuel bits put on and mapped.) I was told what it was for but forgot:2Rolleyes :3Confused

What does AWS mean???:2Confused blimy im thick as a brick, lol.
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Iain C on September 30, 2006, 10:52:54 AM
is your car pink??? :-s
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: nikp on September 30, 2006, 11:16:03 AM
I have done exactly this myself - good to know it\'s a recommended mod! :)
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Ricco_04 on September 30, 2006, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: MillSpeedIt\'s supposed to be like that on J-Spec cars, it\'s only used on US spec cars (something to do with AWS)

It\'s used on UK Spec cars to - No idea about it though! :King
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on October 01, 2006, 03:50:14 PM
Quoteis your car pink??? :-s

Whats wrong with pink then? im also a hairdresser and named Quentin:p

No its not pink but the pics do give it that shade i guess:rolleyes:
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on October 01, 2006, 04:49:21 PM
Not sure if this is up to the job really. Had the car out all weekend bedding in my new pads, and it vents nicely at low revs/speeds (and doesnt sound like a chav mobile:cool ) but if i changed gear after WOT i still get the turbo flutter, still its better than nothing i suppose:2Confused

Now its turned into a Ptsssccchhh Cha cha cha cha cha :evillaugh
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Prof on October 01, 2006, 05:18:16 PM
Quote from: MillSpeedIt\'s supposed to be like that on J-Spec cars, it\'s only used on US spec cars (something to do with AWS)

AWS - Accelerated Warmup System - basically dumps air from the the inlet pipe into the throttle body to assist warmup of the engine / cats - characterised by the hard revving when the engine is just started - really not such a good idea IMO.
 
It can be defeated by the driver by starting the car in 1st Gear (with clutch engaged - Doh !), which tells the ECU not to operate the solenoid valves for AWS.  It can be defeated permantley by removing it !:yes
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Rixio on October 01, 2006, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: ProfAWS -  
It can be defeated by the driver by starting the car in 1st Gear (with clutch engaged - Doh !), which tells the ECU not to operate the solenoid valves for AWS.  It can be defeated permantley by removing it !:yes

AAAAhhhh now that is usefull to know!!!
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Ricco_04 on October 02, 2006, 10:50:56 PM
It also becomes redundant when not running a factory ECU.

You can also stop the car revving for 30 seconds by depressing the clutch or blip the throttle - cant remember which.
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Rixio on October 07, 2006, 12:41:07 PM
Does the other end just vent to the atmosphere?
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on October 07, 2006, 02:46:31 PM
QuoteDoes the other end just vent to the atmosphere
Yes mate, gives you a little whooooooooosh :p
helps get the ladys;) :cool
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: Ricco_04 on October 09, 2006, 08:29:43 PM
Quote from: G@NDYhelps get the ladys;) :cool

Right, im plumbing in 6 of the beggers then! :chat
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: SmbFD3S on May 13, 2008, 02:24:35 PM
Mmmmm, revived from another recent post, do you still have this setup Gandy ?
 
I have a UK car too with this elbow and the AWS setup (now redundant thanks to the Apexi :) )
 
Do you plug the originally used location (on the y pipe) and use this one instead ?  Is it better than coming off thr Y Pipe ?
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: G@NDY on May 14, 2008, 10:03:30 AM
Howdy, I did this mod when I was running my single turbo, so didnt have the \'y\' pipe.
If you can block that \'y\' pipe off surely any bov nearer the throttle body will be better.

HTH
Title: Is this a safe Mod??
Post by: SmbFD3S on May 14, 2008, 10:25:55 AM
Oh right ok, would it be ok to run this setup with standard twins then?
 
I was under the impression that you wanted to release the pressure close to the turbo :2Confused
 
I can block off the Y pipe no problem, but would appreciate any thoughts anyone has :)