Hi folks,
Not happy - wait for 4 months for my car to turn up (\'93 Type R). Picked it up last thing Friday night, did about 10 miles bringing it home in the fog, didn\'t drive it yesterday (too busy celebrating the rugby!) and today, the damn thing is running sick as a pig! Back firing, stalling, real slow to rev up and lack of power. Plus there\'s a warning light on the dash (the "HEAT" one by the ABS light).
From the way it\'s running, I think it\'s only running on one rotor, but I know so little about them, I\'m not sure. And I\'m not sure what is overheating and why. It does mean, however, that I can\'t use my new toy!
The car\'s not standard (induction kit, exhaust and apparently non standard ECU), but it was all done in Japan before I bought it, so don\'t know the specifics yet.
Any help or suggestions will be appreciated. I\'ll be bouncing it back to the bloke I bought it off on Monday, but since it\'s the first one he\'s brought in, any help in advance would be much appreciated.
Regards.
Tim
Hi Tim,
have you done much mileage today?
The car may need a good run and tuning up,often a plug change is needed.
Who did you buy the car from?
Make sure all the plug leads are on firmly.
If it is running on one rotor sometimes it will start up on the second if you drive it carefully for a few miles.It could be a stuck seal or two.
It could also be more ominous though.Sometimes starting on one rotor could be coolent getting into the internals of the engine which needs a rebuild.Lastly it could have a broken seal in it which will never run right until rebuild is done.
As to the heat light it shows that unburnt fuel is being lit up in the exhaust from the rotor that is not running properly.It may go away if you can get the engine running right.
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Carl
Hi,
I have done less than a mile in it today. I didn\'t want to run it, not knowing what the warning light was.
I bought it from a chap who I have dealt with before for motorbikes (UMD at Alfreton). He is changing into cars and, apart from my RX, he has only brought a few other sorts of car across.
I have checked the plug leads and they are all on. I was going to whip one out and check they looked OK (ie not covered in soot, etc) but gave up as it was a little difficult (I am still recovering from trashing my CBR600 a month or so back...).
From what you\'re saying, it sounds as though it may be worth taking it for a run along the bypass. A few miles at about 4,000 rpm may help. It was running fine on Friday, but as it was foggy, I only ran it at low revs, and it has been run just on the drive for a few minutes today without actually going anywhere. It has been running fine up till I tried to go out in it today. Certainly not as rough as it is now. Maybe just needs to clear it\'s thoat.
Thanks for your help.
Tim
Hi Tim,
No problem,you may find that a run along the bypass will help.These engines do not like short journeys or brief startups.It is allways good to give them a few miles run rather than start them up for a minute or 2 and then switch it off,it sometimes floods on the next startup.
Let us know how you get on.
BTW welcome to the club!
Kind regards
Carl
Easy way to rule out if a tip (or two) has gone, is to look at your boost gauge.
On a steady light throttle, watch the gauge, if it flutters rather than being smooth, then tip(s) have gone....
At least it would rule out one rebuild problem and reduce the worry a little - although it could still be water seal as Carl says :(
I would check plugs next.
Regards
Max
Hi,
Not sure (hey, I\'ve only driven it three times!), but I don\'t think mine has a boost gauge! Has oil pressure, but not boost.
Took it for a run yesterday, and it started running on the second rotor OK.
Unfortunately, has now developed a massive flat spot! It\'s OK on an even throttle, and not too bad on a light throttle, but as soon as you put your foot down, it just bogs down and dies. I gave it a run of 5 or ten miles, and even tried to get the revs up, but it still wouldn\'t cooperate.
The bloke I bought it from is going to drop a standard ECU in - although he says I can keep the tuned one :) and then get it serviced. Hopefully will sort it out.
Being a member is going to be useful, I can see :) Bound to end up spending loads of money on it, even if it doesn\'t go wrong...
Tim
you friend may not be doing you any favours, if you have an after market ecu its because your car has had some mods, which may mean if you swap back to a standard ecu you may find your running lean, in which case when you blow the engine you may need to keep hold of carl\'s address, to rebuild her for you, please dont bolt on the standard ecu unless your car is stock, if modded, stay with ecu and get it to a rotary boff.
I think the only mods on it are the exhaust and induction kit, apart from the ECU.
Thing is, a fair chunk of its mileage is going to be rolling along at 20/30 mph (if I\'m lucky) in traffic. I am not sure how well the car would put up with this with the race ECU on.
Surely the standard ECU should be able to cope with the induction kit and exhaust??? I\'m not sure where the nearest place to take it to be checked out is. I could take it to Mazda, but do they have the faintest idea?
Any suggestions for decent places, preferably East Mids?
Nearest is probably Hurley engineering in Cov at a guess :confused: From wot i\'ve read standard ECU\'s are OK with backbox & induction but any more than that & ECU should be next on list ;)
Si
NB my knowledge is pretty limited at the minute thou ;) yer location is noted & i will be tormenting you in the new year to join in with a midlands type meet :D
Si
If it\'s a full exhaust (no cats) then you\'ll need the ECU, add induction on top of that and a replacement (or piggy-back) ecu is a must.
Hurley are probably closest to you and PIP @ WGT (http://www.wgtautodevelopments.co.uk/) are in cheshire so not too far off.
Iain
FYI Hurleys site (http://www.hurleyrotary.com/)
Si
QuoteOriginally posted by scooby_si
FYI Hurleys site (http://www.hurleyrotary.com/)
Si
Yeah - cheers. I am just looking the sites :)
Think it may be a case of just taking it to one of them for a look :( Don\'t wanna take it for work - wanna take it out and play!!!
If you get lost say the word i work down the road from \'em & always looking for excuse to go there & perve/torment ;) lol
Si
I know you dont wat tohere this, but Iwould haveit trailered to pip @ wgt and get him to sort he car and poss emap the ecu. Today I trailered my balck rx7 to haywardand scott about 1 hr drive in a lorry ad it cost me approx £150 , better than stuffing her up.
Hi,
Not sure, but I think it\'s gone to WGT. It got taken away yesterday, going to a place with a name made up of three letters, somewhere in Northwich.
Sound familiar?
So long as it comes back running OK, I don\'t really care :)
Would like to know what they\'re like with the standard ECU, as mine is less than enthusiastic to rev up from real low revs. I know there\'s gonna be little torque there at the best of times (at least reputedly), but I expected it to be free and eager revving, even from low revs.
Tim
http://www.wgtautodevelopments.co.uk/ (http://www.wgtautodevelopments.co.uk/) who from what i\'ve read are good & i\'m lead to believe pretty handy with ECU\'s as well if that is the source of your problem. At least from what i\'ve heard/red although my memory loss is pretty........ er what was i saying (http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/contrib/dvv/cwmddd.gif) lol
Si
& similarly have no real experiance but it\'s not stopped me joining in so far so i believe RX7\'s should be very eager to rev & pull so yers does sound a tad unusuall..... but should all go well now we can but hope (http://smilies.crowd9.com/cwm/cwm/cwm29.gif)
Si
A very old thread but what was the problem in the end and how did ya sort it?
I didn\'t notice how old the thread was until I saw Si reccomending Hurley to the bloke... lol.
lol !!!!!
LOL was thinking the same Si recommending Hurley :xconfused
Then saw the dates :p
Actually it peeves me a bit that people come on here, ( non member especially ) , get a whole load of help, then they cant even be bothered to post up what the problem and the resolution was, so we can all benefit.
Quote from: MartinyActually it peeves me a bit that people come on here, ( non member especially ) , get a whole load of help, then they cant even be bothered to post up what the problem and the resolution was, so we can all benefit.
or join :rolleyes:
what the story with hurley anyway? have they closed or are the just cr@p? never hear much about them considering their website makes them look like they\'re the world leaders in their field :eek :D
Quote from: mullinsor join :rolleyes:
what the story with hurley anyway? have they closed or are the just cr@p? never hear much about them considering their website makes them look like they\'re the world leaders in their field :eek :D
If I remember rightly Si was singificantly unimpressed by the level of service they provided to him, largely their attitude. A search would probably find his rant... And so it did: here (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4777)
When I spoke to them about a rebuild I did find their attitude pretty off-hand in comparison to the other tuners I contacted.
this came up in the search as mine has just had a similar problem.
Its the first time i\'ve used mi car for 2months since buying it.
It was running all fine for the 2 hours b4 this problem happened i just hope this doesn\'t mean a rebuild :(
hurley didnt want to put mine right when it was playing up, bought mine with an apparently brand new engine 3,000 miles old, had a warranty etc but they didnt want to know wasnt prepared to take it back for them to service it and took it elsewhere, After 13,000 miles my compression was 4.5 front and back, they also used the wrong kind of vac lines and a normal hose to the brake servo from the inlet manifold.
I now have my engine in pieces so will be able to tell if it is as suspected a poor rebuild, it cost the garage who paid for the work to be done £4000 which sounds like a bargain! NOT
I would not recomend them aparently if anything is perished they dont replace it unless you specifically ask them to either. :eek
i too found it odd that si was recomending them, i almost spat my tea across the PC.
They are a bunch of cowboys with poor after sale service IMHO
Quote from: MartinyActually it peeves me a bit that people come on here, ( non member especially ) , get a whole load of help, then they cant even be bothered to post up what the problem and the resolution was, so we can all benefit.
Hey - calm down. Gimme chance. I never posted the resolution in here because it got mentioned on some of the other threads or whilst at meets and no one asked in here, till now!
The engine needed its rebuild. Tips had gone. Was some time around Feb of the next year, before I got it back!
Oh and I was a member, but let it lapse now, as I think the RX is going to have to go. Been brilliant, but was a little extreme for use as an only car, but now I need something with at least a token more practicality, and cheaper to run :(
Any chance of letting us know who sorted it for you and what the problem was?
Hi,
Yeah - as per previous messages, it went to WGT. Not really sure of details as the seller sorted it (I essentially refused to accept it until resolved). The warranty sheet from WGT says reworking the cast housings. Sounds like a water leak.
Tim
Geeez you gotta wonder how hurley stay in business. :flamed
Quote from: PERKINTHey - calm down. Gimme chance. (
LOL ! I would have thought 2 years was enough !! :-))
Ok sorry to flame you, and REALLY sorry about all the woes with the car. And even more sorry if you\'re put off the Rotor now....
Hmm - not put off. Just situations change.
I can put up with 13mpg. I can put up with insurance group 20 (just). I can even, more or less, put up with having to take a day off work and get the car 60 miles up the road every time it needs any work doing.
Unfortunately, now I am acting as carer for a 69 year old woman. Not easy her folding herself into and out of the rx ;(
I absolutely love the driving, tho. Especially how controllable it is in a slide. Never driven anything like it. The nearest was an Isuzu Piazza, and that was only any good because of the lotus tuned suspension/chassis. The power, gearbox & brakes were average at best (IMO).
Struggling to decide what to get to replace it with. Considering baling on sports and going for a 4x4 (there\'s a nice course about a mile from my house). Then go back to sports when I can afford something comparable to the RX. Maybe a monaro or a T350/Sagaris, when they have depreciated enough :)
None of the options now have the same striking looks of the RX :(