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Title: How cool does my single tubby look!
Post by: nikp on June 29, 2006, 09:27:47 PM
Just mocked up the engine and turbo so i can identify where the turbo outlet is in comparison where everything else is.

I thought it looked so cool (Ok, i\'m getting a little too excited here!) that i\'d post up a piccy of it on my newly rebuilt engine:

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j116/nikp75/DSCF0219.jpg)
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Post by: G@NDY on June 29, 2006, 09:47:25 PM
Blimey looks like a big old unit:2eek :Thumbs-up
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Post by: John Yorke on June 29, 2006, 10:23:42 PM
Amazing what you can do with a bit of MDF and a saw:rollin Lookin good bud, take my hat off to anyone who does DIY
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Post by: Fish on June 30, 2006, 05:25:47 PM
Might want to move the water pipe off the housing. OK I know it\'s the so-called cold side, but they still get bloody warm.

Fish
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Post by: nikp on June 30, 2006, 06:15:21 PM
I was just mocking things up, but cheers for the pointer - i\'ll take note when i put it together for good
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Post by: richard cash on July 01, 2006, 09:28:00 AM
what the hell bloody sort of crazy ass big turbo thingy is that. The hot side looks mahoosive compared with mine
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Post by: Grizzly on July 01, 2006, 10:05:33 AM
What sort of manifold do you have there?
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Post by: LRP on July 01, 2006, 10:24:53 AM
hello nik gutted i didnt hav the money to hav the kit of greg good luck and ill pop up when its running
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Post by: Fish on July 01, 2006, 02:48:48 PM
Might also be worth putting some sticky heat protection on the LIM, sidewall of the bay itself and around the break servo area\'s.

Fish
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Post by: nikp on July 01, 2006, 09:07:22 PM
Ok, cheers! :)

The manifold i believe is a modified 12A manifold. Nice and reliable.
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Post by: Grizzly on July 01, 2006, 09:20:34 PM
AHH It would\'nt have come of Tim origanaly would it ;)
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Post by: nikp on July 01, 2006, 09:54:59 PM
Oh yes it would! :) What a happy little family us rotaries are!
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Post by: oldone on July 01, 2006, 10:01:37 PM
Looking cool dude,the hairdryer that is.........:rollin ,gonna rock and roll there dude........:cool
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Post by: nikp on July 01, 2006, 10:09:11 PM
Quotehello nik gutted i didnt hav the money to hav the kit of greg good luck and ill pop up when its running

I wish i had the money for it too!! Yeah, pop over anytime.
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Post by: MillSpeed on July 02, 2006, 11:44:30 PM
Quote from: nikpOk, cheers! :)

The manifold i believe is a modified 12A manifold. Nice and reliable.

Nah, can\'t be a 12a manifold as the exhaust ports are closer together on a 12a than on a 13b. If it\'s OEM it\'ll be a turbo II manifold. What provisions has that manifold got for boost control?
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Post by: Grizzly on July 03, 2006, 12:11:35 AM
Millspeed, Along time ago Tim told me he uses 12a Manifolds that are modifed slightly. I think they are only for T3 setups though??? The T2 manifold is a funny shape so i don\'t think you could even mod it to fit a T4 footprint properly.

I\'ve seen one and the holes where elongated and the Runners where opened up, i think its a cheaper alternative to a HKS cast manifold.

Nik, Are you running an External wastegate with that set up?
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Post by: nikp on July 03, 2006, 09:03:03 AM
QuoteNik, Are you running an External wastegate with that set up?

Yeah, a turbosmart 48mm external jobby. Very nice piece of kit it is too (...and very expensive!)
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Post by: nikp on July 04, 2006, 05:07:09 PM
And now, not only do i (sort of) have a nice new shiny turbo, i have a nice shiny lower inlet manifold and wastegate. I know you hardly see the lower inlet manifold, but the eventual plan is to powder coat the upper inlet manifold, and it would just look odd with the upper one powder coated, but not the lower one, particularly where they meet.

LIM:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j116/nikp75/DSCF0300.jpg)

Wastegate:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j116/nikp75/DSCF0302.jpg)
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Post by: interloper393 on July 05, 2006, 10:04:55 PM
wow looks good :) im guna do a home rebuild soon YAY!! can i ask something, is it possible to paint the engine or is it best to just leave it be?
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Post by: Fish on July 05, 2006, 10:08:26 PM
That LIM needs that sticky heat stuff put on it!

Fish
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Post by: nikp on July 06, 2006, 01:57:13 AM
QuoteThat LIM needs that sticky heat stuff put on it!

Okay, okay! :) I will.....when it goes back together.

Just one question....What sticky heat stuff? :p Any suggestions where it can be obtained from?
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Post by: nikp on July 06, 2006, 02:00:20 AM
Quoteis it possible to paint the engine or is it best to just leave it be?

Yeah, it is. If you look at mine at the top, you\'ll see that the rotor housings and front plate are painted black. I got bored of masking everything up, so didn\'t bother with the middle and end plates. You can do it in other colours too, if you like! Just use engine paint which is deisnged to cope with the heat, and mask off all surfaces that are mating surfaces.
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Post by: davehg on July 06, 2006, 12:14:46 PM
you can get sticky heat shield material from merlin motorsport at castle combe (not cheap though) it will stop your power coating from melting and falling off
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Post by: nikp on July 06, 2006, 02:22:22 PM
Cheers Dave
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Post by: Fish on July 06, 2006, 06:39:50 PM
Demon Tweeks also sell the stuff.

Fish
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Post by: Grizzly on July 06, 2006, 10:47:20 PM
I think you\'d be best of doing it Properly...

Get some thing like this..     

 Cool Power System by Pettit Racing. Are you wasting horsepowerPettit Racing\'s new Cool Power Thermal Management System is designed to fit most RX7 single turbo kits , The Cool Power system address the issue of radiant heat expanding the charge before the compression stroke, robbing power from your engine.
The new Pettit Racing Cool Power Kit uses the latest proprietary technology for thermal protection.
http://www.pettitracing.com/rx7/index.htm

How cool would a Group buy of thoses be ;)
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Post by: G@NDY on July 06, 2006, 11:02:37 PM
I use one of these fellows, got it from turbo dynamics £180 i think:Tongue1
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Post by: Grizzly on July 06, 2006, 11:17:06 PM
Thats way you get too keep your nice painted Lower Inlet on show ;)
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Post by: interloper393 on July 07, 2006, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: G@NDYI use one of these fellows, got it from turbo dynamics £180 i think:Tongue1

Is this a winter hat? :Tongue1
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Post by: Fish on July 07, 2006, 06:33:40 PM
Grizzzzzz, at $399 thats a lot of beans for not a lot and that heat shield is really smelly pants material.

I like the look of the Xtr, but might go for one of these (http://www.owendevelopments.co.uk/products/product-detail.asp?PRODID=51). Almost half the price.

Fish
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Post by: Grizzly on July 07, 2006, 08:06:21 PM
I don\'t know about you but i like the pettit Kit becouse it does the lot......

 -A custom Thermal Barrier Cover for the turbo hot section.
-A stainless shield between the lower intake and the exhaust manifold layered with thermal barrier panel.
-Special .125" Thermal wrap for down pipe and enough extra material to wrap front section of mid pipe.
-Extra Thermal Barrier Panel material is pre cut for several key areas behind the factory passenger foot well shield.


I know the Down pipe rap can be £100 on its own, I don\'t think you could put the Kit together for £220 but as usal its proberly the Import Tax etc that kills it.

Why is\'nt there a Proper kit like this here??? Its a bit daft putting a heat blanket on the Turbine Housing if there\'s a Red hot Down pipe sticking out of it??
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Post by: G@NDY on July 07, 2006, 08:33:14 PM
QuoteIts a bit daft putting a heat blanket on the Turbine Housing if there\'s a Red hot Down pipe sticking out of it??
Not that bothered really, just bought it because i thought it looked good:Laugh :yes :rolleyes:
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Post by: Fish on July 08, 2006, 09:43:13 PM
Demon Tweeks exhaust wrap - 1" x 50\' cost, £42.85 inc. VAT
Owen Turbo Cover - £82.25 + VAT

Find a workshop that does stainless and ask them to knock up a sheet.

Fish
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Post by: Grizzly on July 09, 2006, 12:40:29 AM
Quote from: FishDemon Tweeks exhaust wrap - 1" x 50\' cost, £42.85 inc. VAT
Owen Turbo Cover - £82.25 + VAT

Find a workshop that does stainless and ask them to knock up a sheet.

Fish
Thats not a bad price, How far does 50" go? would that do the Down pipe and Mid pipe?

I think they also use the Expencive thicker rap. Is\'nt the Tweeks stuff quite thin??
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Post by: Fish on July 09, 2006, 06:36:27 PM
Why would you want to do the mid-pipe?

Not sure about the thickness of it, but it wont be that much thinner than other makes. Another place to try for wrap is Rally, Marine Design in Faversham (dont have number to hand), they supply lots of stuff.

Fish
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Post by: Grizzly on July 09, 2006, 07:45:56 PM
I belive you do half the Mid pipe becouse it heats you the floor making it mighty warm in summer, As you can proberly tell i heard it from the US. they like to keep the cabin temp down so not heating the bulkhead or Drivers floor.

I spoke to a Guy from Ears on Saturday that told me a few things, Don\'t rap a Mild steel down pipe as it will attract Moisture when its off (it\'ll rust), most big down pipes will take two lots of Rap to do properly and buy the wide one (i think its 2"??) the 1" goes no where fast.

Is\'nt it 1"x50" ??? or Feet?? the last time i bought some from there it was Inches??
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Post by: Fish on July 09, 2006, 08:16:37 PM
OK, not sure I trust the US about half their stuff.

I understand about the mild steel bit though.

Looking on the Demon site again the 2" (inch) * 50\' (foot) is £68.54 inc. VAT. Clicky (http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=MSPORT&pcode=DEI010105)

Fish
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Post by: Grizzly on July 09, 2006, 10:43:56 PM
Thats not a bad price.....

The US are good as long as you speak to the tuners not the Forum, Lot of Bull goes on there.
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Post by: ninjasx on July 10, 2006, 10:47:39 PM
You can get cheap fibreglass heat wrap from LMA
 http://www.lma-group.com/motorsport/Products/Motorsport_Parts/body_motorsport_parts.html#01.09Heatwrap
 
The 2" x 5m roll did my downpipe from the join on the back of the turbo down to where it straigtens out to meet the midpipe.
Just make sure there is no corrosion on the downpipe and give it a few good coats of VHT paint before wrapping it.