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Cars by Model Type => 2nd generation RX-7's => Topic started by: grinder on May 16, 2006, 10:29:12 AM

Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: grinder on May 16, 2006, 10:29:12 AM
Hiya

mine are shot on the car - so been looking round for some new ones

mazdatrix has some for $40 - so thats not tooooooo bad i suppose

i was reading the write up about how to swap them and all i can say is ............. WTF !!!!!!!

do you really have to remove the rear calipers and all that stuff - or can you just unblot them from the underside and fit them that way ??

so the bushes need to be pressed in - or will they slide in with loads of copper grease ( or fairy liquid )

has any one done this on their FC and lived to tell the tale

any advice is greatly appreciated :D ( and the best way to do it - can you put the car on car ramps - or is it best to jack it up and remove the wheel ? )

Stu
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: antnicuk on May 16, 2006, 12:15:09 PM
again, i have just done this on mine along with all the bushes.    You will not be able to do this unless you remove the rear hub:

Remove or disconnect the following:

Wheel
calliper
disc
Shock
handbrake cable
abs wire
anti roll bar
bolt through the original DTSS
two monting bolts (top and bottom of hub)
centre half shaft bolt

Once you have hub off you need a press or a good stong wide vice to press the old one,  they are not easy to remove.  My Eliminators were easy to put back in.

Then put it all back and get the car 4 wheel aligned
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: grinder on May 16, 2006, 12:49:00 PM
your joking .. that sounds like a SERIOUS job to be honest :(

not impressed ... email to pip to ask for a price on its way :D
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: antnicuk on May 16, 2006, 03:04:43 PM
i would rather do the bushes than all the welding you did on yours  last year......  just need some good sockets/spanners and a small plumbers blow torch for the ones that dont want to let go.  Its the easiest place to work on the car aswell.
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: grinder on May 16, 2006, 03:30:01 PM
hummmm OK that sound better to be honest :D

i have read a few write up and it seems a fiar old task

what about this

1 - remove the bolt from under the car
2 - rip out the insides of the bush
3 - fit DTSS things

that sounds simplier ????
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: Grizzly on May 16, 2006, 06:13:21 PM
LOL

you have to seprate the swinging arm from the Hub carrier to see the Bush so it will have to come off.
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: shaunwil on May 16, 2006, 06:31:35 PM
If its dry at the weekend we can tackle it together if you want to, can bring windy gun down to speed the job up ! Sounds like an interesting job !

Cya soon

Shaun
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: shaunwil on May 16, 2006, 06:39:53 PM
may be of some help :

http://www.superflex.co.uk/SuperFlex_Mazda_RX7_(FC1031_&_FC1032)_Prices.pdf

Shaun
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: grinder on May 16, 2006, 08:11:25 PM
i have found them on ebay - they are $40 + $9 P&P - but it will take a while to get here

so it could be next month :( - not a cat in hells chance before RSIII

although pip did mention that i would run the 1/4 faster if it went in straight line ! LOL
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: antnicuk on May 16, 2006, 09:52:33 PM
we maxed out 50 tonne hydrollic press to get mine out so good luck doing it on the car!
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: Thud on May 17, 2006, 07:10:56 AM
Hmmm....I might have the same problem as my car drifts left eventhough the alignment numbers look good. How do you tell if your DTSS is shot? Anyone have any pictures?

Cheers

EDIT : actually just found this which clearly shows how to change it :

http://www.mazdatrix.com/faq/rrsteer.htm
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: antnicuk on May 17, 2006, 08:30:42 AM
thats exactly how i did it
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: grinder on May 17, 2006, 09:56:22 AM
its easy to check ( now i know ! )

jack the rear of the car up

get you head under the back end - and you can see the bottom of the bolt from the under side ( if you look at the back lower of the disc - towards the front ) - its there - points to the floor

get someone to rock the wheel slightly - if you can see the bolt move - then the bush is shot

thats how pip demo\'d it to me ( although it was on a ramp at the time !! )

Hope this helps

Stu
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: grinder on May 17, 2006, 09:58:06 AM
Quote from: antnicukwe maxed out 50 tonne hydrollic press to get mine out so good luck doing it on the car!

is there no other way to remove them - drill them out - melt them out - shout and swear a lot at them ?

Stu
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: Grizzly on May 17, 2006, 12:52:10 PM
Yeh, You can brake them a bit :)

I replaced my Swinging arm Bushes as well, So i removed the hole rear swining arm assembly and messed about with it on a bench :)
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: antnicuk on May 17, 2006, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: GrizzlyYeh, You can brake them a bit :)

I replaced my Swinging arm Bushes as well, So i removed the hole rear swining arm assembly and messed about with it on a bench :)



Ditto........
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: FD3SNuttah on May 17, 2006, 01:49:30 PM
dont want to be a kill joy - but this doesnt look like a nice job to do. good luck Stu!!
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: Grizzly on May 17, 2006, 06:05:39 PM
It don\'t involve cutting and Grinding so how hard can Undowing a few bolts hammering some Bushes out and refitting be????

I\'ll be quite honist, The worsed bit is getting the Bushes out. I cheated with the rears (i had a press) but the Ft\'s i Burnt the centers out with a Blow torch then i found a socket that fit around the Arm without Fouling the sleeve and beat the Hell out of it with a Big hammer and chisle :), I\'m told you can make the knocking out bit easyer buy cutting the sleeve with a Hacksaw (make sure its square though so you don\'t mess the  Bush hole up too much)

You\'ll waste it... If you like big hammers its an Advantage :)

If your feeling a little Girly you can always nip down to your local Garage and get them to Press them out for you?
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: g.miller on May 18, 2006, 06:22:15 AM
i don\'t know if this will help, but when i was changeing the control links on the rear suspension [looks like a small dog bone with a bush at each end] an important tip i got from the local garage was to nip up all the bolts, lower the car so that it was resting on it\'s wheels[as this is how it normally sits] and then fully tighten the bolts, other wise the bushes will be constantaly undertension trying to twist themself\'s back to the position you locked them out in.

good luck with your job, its looks a mite tricky.
Title: Toe Eliminator Bushes ( DTSS )
Post by: grinder on May 18, 2006, 10:06:06 AM
its defo a summer job to be honest !!

and could take a while

pip said anything from 1.5hrs to 5hrs per side - dependant on how things come out

i suppose it looks worse on paper than it is - but im a big fan of hammers and breaker bars - so i might give it a go

it it makes the car go in a straight line - then im all for it :D

Stu