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Cars by Model Type => 3rd generation RX-7's => Topic started by: Kash_ on April 24, 2006, 12:24:28 PM

Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: Kash_ on April 24, 2006, 12:24:28 PM
Anyone here go to drift days/ tracks in their FD? I haven\'t heard about many FD\'s being used in drift days/ tracks? Is this down to the various risks associated with the rotary engine, such as the risk of fuel starvation under hard cornering (risking engine running lean) and the fact that for drifting the car needs to maintain high revs (risking high temps)? Also heard someone say that the FD differential isn\'t ideal for drifting ?
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: M@r]{ on April 24, 2006, 12:29:21 PM
mmm, I\'d be interested to know this as well.  Been thinking about getting into this.  Ive been on a few drifting forums - the main comment I got was \'are you mad to learn to drift in a car that nice!!\'  Apprently your front bumper can get a hammering from hitting cones   :Hammer

One person did mention something about fuel starvation in cornering - I thought it was rubbish as I would of thought you would achieve much higher G\'s on a track day whilst you have grip than drifting when you only have partial grip????  And ive never heard of anyone having that problem on the track?


Quote from: kash_5Anyone here go to drift days/ tracks in their FD? I haven\'t heard about many FD\'s being used in drift days/ tracks? Is this down to the various risks associated with the rotary engine, such as the risk of fuel starvation under hard cornering (risking engine running lean) and the fact that for drifting the car needs to maintain high revs (risking high temps)? Also heard someone say that the FD differential isn\'t ideal for drifting ?
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: dre on April 24, 2006, 12:34:22 PM
One person did mention something about fuel starvation in cornering - I thought it was rubbish as I would of thought you would achieve much higher G\'s on a track day whilst you have grip than drifting when you only have partial grip???? And ive never heard of anyone having that problem on the track?

Swirl pot will sort that problem out.

I suppose if you brace up your diff and gearbox and change diff mounts etc i can\'t see a problem there. Also they use different suspension settings for drifting. You wouldn\'t wanna drive your road car hard on the streets with those settings. Back end would be everywhere!!!
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: Kash_ on April 24, 2006, 02:11:40 PM
main reason I was asking is because I went onto the driftworks.co.uk forum where my friend (has a skyline r32) is a member of and I couldnt see any RX7\'s in the pictures from drift tracks / days... that made me curious so I did a search in the whole forum for RX7\'s and didn\'t find any drifters with a RX7...
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: gsb876 on April 24, 2006, 02:29:42 PM
No rx7 drifters you say ??
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: AndyGen3 on April 24, 2006, 02:57:16 PM
Thats all i use my 7 for... Im only back from the Ring at easter and the morn i got back at 6am i headed straight for mondello to do a trackday!

(http://i3.tinypic.com/wb9vyv.jpg)

And theres a vid of me on the main straight in Mondello here : http://www.dtdirl.com/Download.html

Andy :)
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: Bulla on April 24, 2006, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: kash_5Anyone here go to drift days/ tracks in their FD? I haven\'t heard about many FD\'s being used in drift days/ tracks? Is this down to the various risks associated with the rotary engine, such as the risk of fuel starvation under hard cornering (risking engine running lean) and the fact that for drifting the car needs to maintain high revs (risking high temps)? Also heard someone say that the FD differential isn\'t ideal for drifting ?

I dont think you\'ll find many beginners in FD\'s because there are a lot of other cars that are far easier to learn in , S13, S14, AE86, even FC\'s etc, . If I remember correctly the RX as standard isnt ideally suited to drifting and needs a few mods to get the best from it. Not to say it cant be done as per the other posts on this thread.

Bulla
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: Bulla on April 24, 2006, 03:36:53 PM
Here you go, good article on drift cars and potential cons of using an RX.

http://www.driftworks.com/index.php?action=articles&articleId=2

Bulla
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 24, 2006, 03:59:39 PM
I mainly use mine for trackdays but recently decided to try my hand at drifting.I did Drift Academys Level 1 course then a couple of practice days at Silverstone in my FD.

John Chambers and Rob who is also driving RotaryArts RX-7 I believe told me the FD is not an easy car to learn to drift in.After much fustration and practice though I got to a reasonable standard and pulled off some long 2nd gear drifts with a decent transition to the next drift.Huge fun and gives you alot more confidence to really \'drive\' your RX-7

Getting an MX5 to abuse now.. :Giggle
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: Freddy on April 24, 2006, 04:34:35 PM
Quote from: AndyGen3Thats all i use my 7 for... Im only back from the Ring at easter and the morn i got back at 6am i headed straight for mondello to do a trackday!

(http://i3.tinypic.com/wb9vyv.jpg)

And theres a vid of me on the main straight in Mondello here : http://www.dtdirl.com/Download.html

Andy :)


Your FD seems pretty low. Just how did you find the Carousel at the ring?
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: AndyGen3 on April 24, 2006, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: FreddyYour FD seems pretty low. Just how did you find the Carousel at the ring?


First lap i came upon it and was like no f**kin way!!!!!!! so i went around it... then second time i just dropped in and prayed it wud stay on it... heard nothin but metal scraping and the bodykit on the driver side rear wheel arch took a bit of damage as the wheels came back up into the wheel archs!

Still goin tho...
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: Kash_ on April 24, 2006, 05:39:43 PM
Quotehttp://www.driftworks.com/index.php...les&articleId=2

thanks for the link to that article mate, have a few friends who are into drifting who will like reading that, especially since one has an r32 and the other a s14a... they are both very competitive against each other... lol..
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: DreXeL on April 24, 2006, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: AndyGen3Thats all i use my 7 for... Im only back from the Ring at easter and the morn i got back at 6am i headed straight for mondello to do a trackday!

What sort of water temps do you see on track mate? Mine rocketed after just a few laps of Combe....:(
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: AndyGen3 on April 24, 2006, 11:48:13 PM
Quote from: DreXeLWhat sort of water temps do you see on track mate? Mine rocketed after just a few laps of Combe....:(


V Mount kit... never above 76!!!!! madness the difference... After giving it death for 6-7 laps i pull in and can touch the turbo no bother... Shes only boostin to .7 of a kilo at the mo too...
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: M@r]{ on April 24, 2006, 11:53:24 PM
My water temps get to the mid 90\'s during a hammering - the oil temps hit 110!!   :eek

Ive got a big rad and Trust FMIC.  My new Scoot bonnet is being fitted along with a new bumper that has a vent in the front.  Hopefully this will help keep my temps down  

Quote from: DreXeLWhat sort of water temps do you see on track mate? Mine rocketed after just a few laps of Combe....:(
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: DreXeL on April 25, 2006, 09:04:14 AM
I have a Greddy FMIC, and a fairly big Sugita Copper radiator. My water temp was well above 100 after just a few laps :(

I\'m sure it\'s this RE-A bumper, the opening is tiny.....
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: M@r]{ on April 25, 2006, 09:28:01 AM
I have a RE-A bumper as well, different to yours though.  I suppose the opening on mine does look bigger than yours.

Admittedly I havent done a track day in mine yet, but if you know Milton Keynes you will know you can give it a hammering around here and its the same if not worse than a track!!  At grid system made up of 70mph dual carriage ways and roundabouts - you can easily get well above 100mph between them then its hard on the brakes, take the roundabout then bang, off again   :burnout     The only concern I have is the Oil temps as I have seen them hit 113!!  Water temps sits at around 95 on a hammering.  I have the water temp measured on both the Commander and the Defi gauge, both reading the same.

Are your temps high on normal driving?  Mine sits at around 83-86 depending on outside temps


Quote from: DreXeLI have a Greddy FMIC, and a fairly big Sugita Copper radiator. My water temp was well above 100 after just a few laps :(

I\'m sure it\'s this RE-A bumper, the opening is tiny.....
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: DreXeL on April 25, 2006, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: \'M@r{\']
Are your temps high on normal driving?  Mine sits at around 83-86 depending on outside temps

Normal driving I get similar temps, and when driving hard on the local ring road (similar to the roads you describe, long 100+ strights interspersed with roundabouts0) it gets into the mid 90\'s, so basically identical temps to you. My oil temp sits at around 100-110 when driving hard, on both the road and the track. Normal driving it sits at about 75-85.

Track driving is a different ball game though. Engine permanently in the red-line, but not always at 100+ so you don\'t get the airflow.
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: chrisJDM on April 25, 2006, 12:03:13 PM
didnt the apexi rx7 win the jap drift championship one year???
Title: Using FD\'s for drifting ?
Post by: chrisJDM on April 25, 2006, 12:04:22 PM
hey drexel i missed your car going round the track, seen it parked up with the hood up after you had been round thou, took a few pics.