hi guys,
not had a chance to start the car over the past few weeks, tryd startin it last week neva had any joy tryd again today, car as tryin to tick over but couldint quite make it, got a feelin it might b flood\'d as itz comon. thing ting is i dont know wer the plugs are to clean them out n its anoyin me that it wont start :Grrr :Grrr :Grrr
could u guys help me out n tell me wer the plugs are n how to clean them as neva done it b4, betta b safe then sorri....!
thanx for any help guy :wave
Zab
1) Charge battery fully, and /or jumper cables to another car.
2) Hold accelarator flat to the floor.
3) Turn the key and start, hold pedal until it fires, then let go pedal.
4) If it still doesnt start.... remove little pipe in the manifold that goes to the boost gauge, and squirt about 5 or 10 ml of oil in there, and try the above procedure again.
5) If it still doesnt, start, then, well, ok , maybe now we need to take the plugs out and clean them.
wot lil pipe m8 ?
i can rem my pipe for the boost gauge was on the left handside onthe inlet manifold but now the pipe is at the back of the manifold......!
that the red pipe in the pic click below
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21908
is it a mission to clean the plugs ? just gonna try the car again
Zab
Quote4) If it still doesnt start.... remove little pipe in the manifold that goes to the boost gauge, and squirt about 5 or 10 ml of oil in there, and try the above procedure again.
That\'s anew piece of advice you\'re offering Martin - where\'d you get that idea? Whats the idea behind this? I presume, the assumption is that the fuel has washed the oil away, so that you\'re getting worse compression in the rotors? So it assists in giving compression, and therefore starting? Am i right? Or well off the mark!?
hi mate just try\'d startin it by Hold accelarator flat to the floor no go, it did almost make it but just died off,
plan B then init guys.......
Quote from: ZABwot lil pipe m8 ?
i can rem my pipe for the boost gauge was on the left handside onthe inlet manifold but now the pipe is at the back of the manifold......!
that the red pipe in the pic click below
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21908
is it a mission to clean the plugs ? just gonna try the car again
Zab
ok, I have put an arrow where you need to put some oil in.
Quote from: nikpThat\'s anew piece of advice you\'re offering Martin - where\'d you get that idea? Whats the idea behind this? I presume, the assumption is that the fuel has washed the oil away, so that you\'re getting worse compression in the rotors? So it assists in giving compression, and therefore starting? Am i right? Or well off the mark!?
This theory is correct ! I got the idea from a US froum, where they said that if its flooded, then remove the plugs and put some oil in the plugholes.
This way, we dont need to remove the plugs to do it, but you\'ll probably need a syringe to do it.
The theory behind holding the pedal flat is this : tells the ECU the car is flooded and it wont put fuel in when you turn the key to start and hold the pedal flat. So we are just pumping air through, and sometimes its enough to clean the plugs off. Sometimes its worth doing this and just letting the throttle off for a tiny millisecond and then floor it again, and do this a few times while holding the key turned to start, and it might just start up.
Zab, some will tell you to jack up the car to get to the plugs, but I just remove the black plastic elbow to get access.
QuoteZab, some will tell you to jack up the car to get to the plugs, but I just remove the black plastic elbow to get access.
I prefer going from underneath. But, yes, you can do it from above.
right am away back out now try the oil ting c if it works,
turnin in to a mission (nd to jump the car everytime)
Martin, this idea sounds very similar to a setup used for the RX-8\'s. I believe they actually have a specific oil pickup point for when it gets flooded, so you can add extra oil manually.
ZAB - it may take a while with the method martin described. You may have to repeat the process a few times before it actually starts. Alternate between foot to the floor, and foot off for 10 seconds each one. After a while it should start - it\'ll be rough, and may want to stall straightaway: don\'t let it. There\'ll be lots of smoke, and it\'ll stink of petrol: this is normal for a flooded engine.
there are two holes is it one on the left or right both ?
erm....the one in the centre! About 4mm wide
RIGHT GUYS AFTER A **** LOAD OFF OIL (DNT KNW IF THATS GOOD..!) N ABT 45MINZ STILL NEVA GOT IT RUNNIN APART FROM A**** LOAD OFF WHITE SMOKE (C FEW PPL WER CHOKIN WEN WALKIN PAST :mmmm ) IT DID WANT TOO START BUT COULDNT GET IT QUITE THERE.
TAKE IT NEXT STEP IS CLEANIN THE PLUGS....!
WELL U GUYS WILL NEED TO TELL ME HOW IT IS DONE AS I HAVE NO CLUE :2Rolleyes
THANX FOR ANY HELP GUYS
Zab
sound`s like your having exactly same nightmare as me. this is my main problem with these engines
hi, dont want to but in as im only a poor fc owner, but i compression tested my mates fd and found the mazda plug tool you get(with the fc at least) perfect for the job. its fiddly sure but it was all done in 20 mins from the top of the engine or is his different?
To remove the plugs from above is fairly easy depending on how chunky your arms are, just remove the elbow to the throttle body and look pretty much straight down. Infact there\'s a picture here i posted showing the powersteering pump off, if you remove the elbow and refer to the photo you may be able to locate them easier.
http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17429
Take them out and clean them one by one and replace them as you clean them so you don\'t mix them up. If you have a gas hob then try burning them off with that, or a blowtorch, or even one of those mini-blow-torch-soldering-things that run off of cigarette lighters could be worth a shot.
Expect lots of smoke when she finally kicks in and leave it to idle for a few mins before driving off.. slowly :)
Hi Zab,
Saw your dilema and if you are still having problems, give me a shout. I can pop over and give you a hand. (assuming you are still in Edinburgh).
Cheers,
Nige
yeh mate that would b sweet mate wot to do is drop me ur number to me e-mail add ( ziggy_zab_666@hotmail.com ) n ill give u aring mate.
was gonna try again today, wen i woke up lookd outa the window yep was the scottish traditional s.h.i.t weather, had bn snowin over night nt that heavy though.
woulda had the car sortd by now if it wasint for the shi.t weather too cold to work on the car.
Zab
Zab,
E-mail sent.
Cheers,
Nige
could you pop down and help me too???? please!!!!!!!
SAFE DUDE ILL DROP U A TXT 2MARRO, PROBS C U ON SAT IF U FREE N HOPIN THE WEATHERS OK, THATS THE HAIL STONZ ON AT THE MOMENT :mad:
HEY GUYS
right almost got the car startd with the oil method but then it got dark n gev up, i dropd sumting n i look under the car n had oil leakin but thin, then i rem i had the car de-catd coz it was block n was stopin the car from startin so the geeza just pulld the cat out n weld\'d it back on for me for the timbein, but the weld is breakin n thats wer the leak is will it affect it from startin ? it will b lossin power init ?
thought i\'d just ask
thanx
Zab
no the problem is in the ignition side of the equation. Remove the plugs and burn the crud off tomorrow and foot to the floor, sure it\'ll start.
er how bad is the oil leak btw?
i got mine to start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! horray. removed lower 2 spark plugs. cranked it over 4 times . burned off sh1t from plugs. put back in.
did full throttle and she popped and banged. loads of smoke and started.
how many other cars are this difficult so start once flooded!!!!!