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General => General Technical => Topic started by: Stu.Wilson on March 04, 2006, 12:29:01 AM

Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Stu.Wilson on March 04, 2006, 12:29:01 AM
Poss silly question, can you get the twin tubs to work as one? if yes how much work is involved and what sort of cost?

Cheers stu
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: robedwards99 on March 04, 2006, 01:21:43 AM
I know it\'s possible... not sure how though...

..you can have 2 bigger tubs too.....
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 04, 2006, 10:08:35 AM
Yes. Loads of people do it especially in the usa. its called the \'non sequential\' turbo modification.There was a huge debate on the usa forum on which setup is best. From what i have read you will loose the low down power, but many who have done the modification have said it is better then sequential setup, but on the other hand many have also said that it is better with the sequential setup...i suppose it`s like marmite..you either love it or hate it. Im sure someone on here wil give you more feedback with what its like with the non sequential setup.

The link below is a guide on how to do it
http://www.fd3s.net/non-sequential.html

If you have any more questions then visit the usa forum
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=68640
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Bulla on March 04, 2006, 10:58:13 AM
I had mine done at Hayward Rotary and am very pleased with the results. Boost starts to build at 3k and is on full boost at 4k. Its like driving a small single turbo car, and a lot more predicatable, I dont think I\'d ever go back.

Oh and as a nice little bonus fuel economy will be better round town coz you dont have to drive on boost anywhere.

Bulla
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Donato on March 04, 2006, 11:33:29 AM
I did mine myself, love it, would never go back to sequential, makes driving so much easier, and lots more fun.  :)
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Jame5 on March 04, 2006, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: BullaI had mine done at Hayward Rotary

Just out of interest if you don\'t mind me asking. How much was it to have this done? Does it give you a nice kick in the backside when the turbos spin up? I do like the standard set up and how driveable it is at low revs. Sometimes it\'s annoying having to wait until the 2nd turbo to kick in to get the full power.
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Bulla on March 04, 2006, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: Jame5Just out of interest if you don\'t mind me asking. How much was it to have this done? Does it give you a nice kick in the backside when the turbos spin up? I do like the standard set up and how driveable it is at low revs. Sometimes it\'s annoying having to wait until the 2nd turbo to kick in to get the full power.

I\'m not sure how much it was off the top of my head as I was having some other work done at the same time and also traded in a boost controller. Best bet is to phone Carl on 01635 846598. He does two differnt types of non seq and mine was the cheapest type.

Yeah you get a nice thump at 4k, you\'ll notice it more than running sequentially.

I was worried at first I wasnt going to like it but if your WOT then the chances are your going to be 4k and above on the revs anyway, and from a standing start you can always launch at high revs. Its certainly not slow below 4k but not quite as "perky" as running seq.

Hope that helps.
Title: ..
Post by: GerbilStuntFarm on March 04, 2006, 03:40:47 PM
Has anyone a dyno print out?
Title: Brilliant
Post by: Stu.Wilson on March 04, 2006, 06:38:57 PM
Well lots of feed abck cheers to you all, i think i will look into this more on one of the links. Like the sound of better fuel economy round town!! Be great to see a dyno print out.

Cheers stu
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 04, 2006, 07:17:35 PM
is there something wrong with your sequential setup then? have you been in a properley working fd with the sequential setup?
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: RobbieRX-7 on March 04, 2006, 08:00:17 PM
this should be an interesting read..The ****ty things about nonseq

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=86277&highlight=sequential
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Stu.Wilson on March 05, 2006, 01:55:52 AM
Robbie RX7 = Yer my FD running perfect and happy with set up. Was just wondering if any benefit to non-seq, as few people had mentioned it to me.

Have looked at the sites, think prob stay with original setup after all! haha, still you don\'t know til ya look into it, eh. Still this has helped build my FD knowledge further.

Thanks for everyone\'s input and links, see you all soon at RSIII.

Cheers Stu
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Martiny on March 05, 2006, 07:09:15 AM
Can anyone explain to me how the consumption is improved?
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: MikeLMR on March 05, 2006, 09:03:45 AM
I guess its because its easier to drive off boost than with the sequentials ?
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Wav on March 05, 2006, 09:14:25 AM
Quote from: MartinyCan anyone explain to me how the consumption is improved?

Yep, you stay in vacuum for longer periods so the map uses the higher up, i.e. leaner fuel cells, up to a later stage in rpm. Same can be said by putting on a single, only problem is you will loose a little bit of power and torque low down, which can be more than made up for up top :cool

Paul
Title: Twin tub\'s working as one?
Post by: Bulla on March 05, 2006, 01:25:51 PM
This provides some useful info.

http://www.micromanx.com/goble/rx7/projects/nonseq3/compare.html

I cant say I agree with any of the negative comments on the previous link, I\'m well pleased with my setup.

If you can get to Aylesbury your more than welcome to come for a drive see what you think, or I\'ll be at Brands Hatch meet aswell.

Bulla