I flooded my car! Im a **** as I knew I would and that makes it worse.
Any way, I\'ll ned to get the plugs out but I have heard its a pain in the ass. What tool do I need to get them out? Will a socket do the job? What size? I know you get actual socket tools for removing the plugs but I don\'t have one.
Also whats best to get rid of any excess fuel in the engine?
when i flooded mine i fully pressed the throttle and clutch in then turned the engine over. Dont turn the engine over for longer than 10 seconds at a time though. it started within about 3-4 go`s
yeah, tried that. Maybe 2 or 3 times. once for about 10 seconds but nothing. I\'ll try again tomorrow.
pull the egi fuse ( this cuts the fuel pump )
turn her over a few times , pop it back in and then try it ??
saves getting your hands dirty at this point :D
Anyone got a fuse diagram? Actually I have no idea where the hell my fuses are! I also can\'t be arsed finding out so can someone tell me this one too.
Im lazy!
on the right of the engine compartment near the battery(unless you\'ve moved your battery to the boot:) in which case its just to the right of the engine bay around the strut mounting point, it sould have markings on the box telling you which is which, my fuse was the big yellow one that may help.
Yellow covered large fuse - usually a PITA to take out. ;)
HTH
Its the green one in the box thats circled in that picture. Its a bitch to get out though.
When i flood i just pull that relay and crank for a bit, a few times - then stick it back it. The car will start rough and smoke for a few minutes as it burns off the excess fuel.
Thats good guys, gonna go try and get it started. Thanks!
I think Eddie meant the LEFT of the engine compartment.
Removing the plugs is not that difficult if you remove the black intake elbow .
Sorry I should have said I meant right when your standing in front of the car.
Glad someone posted a pic he may have been looking for a while:) and its cold this time of year:)
taking the spark plugs out is easier from under the car.
Tried to start it, no joy!
Taken the plugs out and I have 2 new 7\'s and 2 old 9\'s to go in. The 7\'s were soaked but the 9\'s not too bad.
Can I just fit the new plugs and hope for the best or do I need to let the engine dry a bit (you know the bit where the plugs go. And its called.....?)
pull that yellow relay as mentioned earlier and turn the engine over..all the fuel will be forced out the plug holes then refit the new plugs. Im not sure wether you need to re-gap the plugs though.
We\'ll that never worked! Getting ****ed off now!
Waited 30 minutes then put the now and old plugs back in. Nothing still.
What Can I do? At the moment im just leaving it for a day or so in the hope the fuel dries out.
Sounds like its tow start time. That way you arn\'t using battery power for the starter and getting a full spark.
Kevin
I had to leave mine over night after cranking it over a few times, just to make sure it dried out and then it started, I also used some jump leads for the extra power, if I tried it without the jump leads would not kick over.
Whilst your at it can you possibly check which ht lead goes to what plug I think I may have got mine mixed up DOH.
It may be worth following the procedure in the sticky seciton word for word, I did and it eventually worked but make sure you dont get confused which ht lead goes to which plug like me.
Cheers
Lee E
Steve, did you put new plugs in?
I reckon you should try it again. Take out plugs, egi fuse. Crank it over for around 15 secs. Wait around 10 mins, crank over again for 15 sec, wait another few mins. Place new, cleaned (if reusing old ones) plugs in. All leads back on correctly and EGI fuse back in. Definitely get jump leads as you need good power.
Also, I find changing plugs from above easier.
HTH!
Gonna try it tomorrow I think. My father in law to be actually changed the plugs over for me. I just could not! Don\'t think big hand help.
I\'ll try that tomorrow Freddy and let you all know how I get on. For just now the cars sitting with the plugs out hopefully letting some fuel dry out.
Quote from: kev-yorksSounds like its tow start time. That way you arn\'t using battery power for the starter and getting a full spark.
Kevin
Hi Steve,
Sorry tpo hear your having problems.
I have had cars that we have deflooded again and again and then found that with a quick push down the road to bump them they have fired up :cool
Pour half a can of coke into the inlet and it will start first time i havr done it and it worked! Couldnt believe it exhaust stank like burnt coke for a couple of mins! dont know how it works but it has to be proper coke and it cant be diet and i am NOT TAKING THE ****! I have done this!
humm i wouldnt try the coke thing yet - thats more used for de-coking the engine ( excuse the pun !! )
steve - are you still having probs ??
before you put the plugs in - warm them up in the oven - that can also help :D
Right, Steve.
What does it sound like when you turn the engine ( with the plugs in)?
Can you hear the pulses - nye-nye-nye-nye-nye-nye?
or is it smooth, like Whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?
If its smooth, then the petrol has washed away the oil that helps the seals, and you have very little compression.
Do you know where the boost gauge goes into the manifold? Now take that little rubber pipe off, and get another rubber pipe, a small syringe, and now put about 5 or 10 ml of oil in the syringe and pump it in there.
Now try and start it again. It should sound like pulsing again now, and it might even start.
I have not tried again today.
I am going to try tomorrow I think.
I\'ll turn it over with the fuse removed then put a little oil into the spark plug holes with a syringe. Heat the plugs up, refit the plugs and fuse and try and get her going, I\'ll also get jump leads on the car. If no joy then I\'ll try a bump start, only thing being that its about to snow here so that make thing a bit hard for pushing.
Thanks for all your help.
I can\'t see why it won\'t start but then my car does have a habit of pi**ing me off!
Put Some Coke In The Inlet Steve It Will Work! I Was Given This Info From A Very Reliable Source That Got My Old Bad Boy Through The Sva! I Am Desperate To See If It Works For Someone Else!
whoever said about installing plug wires wrong, dont worry - wire installation is fool proof.
There are 3 coils, the centre one which does both of the leading plugs - both of these fire at the same time so just plug the wires into the bottom plugs.
The coil infront of the middle one is for the front rotor trailing, the coil behind it for the rear rotor trailing. Easy Peasy!
Quote from: Bobfishwhoever said about installing plug wires wrong, dont worry - wire installation is fool proof.
There are 3 coils, the centre one which does both of the leading plugs - both of these fire at the same time so just plug the wires into the bottom plugs.
The coil infront of the middle one is for the front rotor trailing, the coil behind it for the rear rotor trailing. Easy Peasy!
mm I thought it was the trailing that fire at the same time?
ITS ALIVE, ITS ALIVE!!!!!
Got it going, left two days mind, put some oil in the plug holes, heated the plugs up a bit and had a battery booster on it. Started first time with lots of smoke. Took it for a good drive. I have since restarted it and taken it for a small drive no probs.
Thanks to you all for help, and a big thanks to the father in law to be as he actually put the plugs in and out as my big hands could not get them in or out with out some colourful language.
Glad to hear you got it sorted :D
Good one Steve.
Sometimes I need to move my car, so I cant let it warm up before switching off.
So here\'s what I do...
Before switching off, gently get revs up to 2 or 3k, then turn key off and completely floor it at the same time.
Also, every time I start it , I do this..
Hold pedal completely flat, then turn the key while holding flat, then let pedal go completely while still holding the key and it should start up.
My car seldom flooded so I dont really know if this is making a difference ....
humm to start mine ( FC ) i just
jump in , spend 20 mins looking where the imobilser fits , press clutch , dont press the gas and turn the key
starts every time like that :D
This is only the second time its ever flooded. The car has been faultless at starting other than that.
ahhh right - mine EGI used to do it all the time
i found a real simple solution to that though
1 - clamp fuel line with locking pliers
2 - crank her till she started
3 - get out quick and remove pliers before she stalled :)
grinder, thats an excellent idea - i never thought about doing that! Saves alot of time and effort.
And if you dont want your car to flood, wait till she warms up before you shut her off for more than a few minutes (stopping for petrol when cold etc is no problem, but dont park it for more than 5 mins when its cold)
oh, and DONT step on the gas at all when you try and start the car.
Bobfish I think you need to qualify that a bit better. This might apply to the EGI, but in a gen 3 and RX-8 , flooring it stops the injectors pumping fuel.
Martiny - i didn\'t know that! thanks for the tip....
not sure about the Gen3\'s, but the RX-8 doesnt really flood does it?
Bobfish, yes , sometimes they do unfortunately :-(
Re RX8 - yes, lots before a flash / PCM / ECU revision last March which changed shutdown and startup fuelling to allieviate the situation.
Whenever mine has stood for more than a week I always crank it for 10 seconds with accelerator on the floor, just in case. Just as well last time, because there was oodles of stale fuel burning off for the first few miles of driving :rolleyes: