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General => General Technical => Topic started by: dubber91 on October 11, 2005, 08:47:21 PM

Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: dubber91 on October 11, 2005, 08:47:21 PM
i realise this is the hottest an engine should run at in water temp terms, but is it ok for an engine to sit at this temp....pretty consistently?

cheers guys.....
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: antnicuk on October 11, 2005, 09:13:03 PM
a standard FD will sit higher than that, the fans wont come on until 100 ish degrees....

 mid 80s would be nice though.
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: Warthog on October 11, 2005, 10:36:33 PM
How about 75-79 under boost is that alright. He He He He He. :p
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: davegttph1 on October 11, 2005, 11:29:25 PM
Warthog, no its too cold that ;) wont be helping ;)

The average piston engine will blow its Headgasket at boiling point (100degrees C ) although I understand the rotary will go higher than this although you dont want it much higher, Ive seen 109 before and was scared pooless until I did a little research, 117 IIRC is the figure which the rotary is unsurviveable unless your very lucky....
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: gsb876 on October 12, 2005, 07:33:08 AM
If you are driving around consistanly eg - motorway and see figures over 100oC there might be a problem ? either with your ducting or cooling system.

Deffo pull over if you see over 110oC while in motion to be on the safe side.

Mine will not go over 90oC if in traffic or not, on motorway on way to pod on sunday air intake 16oC water temp 74oC
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: dubber91 on October 12, 2005, 11:20:19 AM
well its in a beetle.....
got a 3row rad...bit of a beast
and a kenlow fan
and it just sits there all day
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: davegttph1 on October 12, 2005, 12:31:36 PM
IIRC the fan switch on the Citroen AX isnt set to come on til 99oC so you should be OK....

what type of beetle? old or new? Old ones would sit at high temps IIRC due to poor air flow
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: dubber91 on October 12, 2005, 01:05:34 PM
haha, old ones dont have a radiator!
 :wave

Ive installed all the lines to the front of the car and cut out the front valance....
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: big_spin_flip on October 12, 2005, 01:26:24 PM
Mine gets there pretty quickly and i haven\'t had any problems with it, i agree with gurj in that if it goes over 110 pull over and let it cool. On a really hot day i stopped for 5 mins and the engine wouldn\'t start. Gave it half hour and temp had come back down, started first time!
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: jasonlel on October 26, 2005, 04:16:19 AM
Quote from: antnicuka standard FD will sit higher than that, the fans wont come on until 100 ish degrees....

 mid 80s would be nice though.

The fan kicks in around 100degrees? Hmmmm that\'s what I heard too. But for my case at about 82 - 85 the fan kicks in.... I\'m not sure if the prev owner mod anything on the fan relay but it kicks in at 82-85. Any idea? I dont think my water temp gauge is faulty...


Cheers,
Jason
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: gsb876 on October 26, 2005, 10:07:48 AM
Jason,

you can reprogramme for the fans to come on earlier, most likely whats been done to yours already chap.

My fans come on at 90oC.  :)
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: rx7veilside on October 26, 2005, 10:14:04 AM
85deg is a good allround temp as the engine will be warm with thermo opened much lower is good for performance but not for economy..mine sits at 88-89 unless in traffic when it soon hits 94 when the fan kicks in..the apexi can adjust temp at which fans kick in..no use setting too low or they will be on most of the time...all this is with a fmic u will see lower temps without this
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: jasonlel on October 26, 2005, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: gsb876Jason,

you can reprogramme for the fans to come on earlier, most likely whats been done to yours already chap.

My fans come on at 90oC.  :)

Hmmmm sounds interesting... I\'m not using any PFC... how can I reprogramme it? Any tips/tricks?  :god
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: gsb876 on October 26, 2005, 01:06:26 PM
If you require a re-programme you need to book it into a specialist really Jason, as the ECU will require re-programming.

I have no idea of the chances you have in Malaysia ?  :confused:

Gurj
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: jasonlel on October 26, 2005, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: gsb876If you require a re-programme you need to book it into a specialist really Jason, as the ECU will require re-programming.

I have no idea of the chances you have in Malaysia ?  :confused:

Gurj

Kekekeke, opsss I didn\'t know the stock ECU can be re-programme. I pretty sure we do not have the tools to re-programme stock FD ECU.

Normally over in Malaysia we use Microtech or PFC to tune FDs, sometimes MOTEC too.
Title: is 97 degrees too hot?
Post by: Sy. on October 26, 2005, 02:54:40 PM
MIne sits at 87 max on a motorway run/ fast drive .. and goes down to 84ish for town driving .
Mine never goes abover 87 degree\'s when driving around .
BUt goes up to 105 when turn it off sometimes . highest 109 .

I got a PFC and set for the fan to kick in at 88 i think.