as some of you know i am fitting a sbc motor in the fd and i just thought i would put some pics up of progress so far,as have now stripped a lot of bits of the car and jsut sprayed the car in my garage,before any one comments i am building the car on a tight budget...+as cheap as possible as its just going to be a fun toy....ish....well anyway comments welcome(as long as there nice..lol)
first pic is how i got the car
got any engine shots
WOW!! an 8 rotor!! corrr, awesome!...
hey? wadda you mean? 8 pistons? aaarrrrggghhhh... nooooooooo!!! :D
Bit of a mess when you got it wasnt it. I assume the rotor motor is completely knackered?
the engine was not in the car when i got it...and trew the engine is not in their yet but will post up asap when done...
Awesome! Can\'t wait to see the results. Are you gonna be running the chevvy N/A? Only problem is that the sbc is so goddam heavy compared to the little rotary. Have you thought about using any other V8\'s? Toyota\'s 4.3 is all-alloy, and it\'s got 32 valves (and no pushrods!! :D , gotta love the old-skool).
Nice one, gota love the sbc, ran a few yanks in the past....might have some bits and bobs around in the garage if your interested ill pm you. :)
personally i think it\'s disgraceful i mean look at the blasphemy i dont know how you can live with yourself i mean an ale poster on the wall, lager is the way forward mate ;) pmsl
Should be interesting what the full spec list your doing or is it hush hush?
Si
your a cheeky geeeet...lol spec list is c west body kit,ab flug front bumper,gt rear wing,rays split rims 17",rear cage and diagonal,....5.7 litre motor,rebuilt 350sbc with 327 hi po heads and a 278 cam...,for a bit of punch...:)holley 600 four barrel,custom headers into hks hyper exhaust...tiptronic th350 box,custom cosworth diff(so gearing can be changed easily to suit application)...car is all black..mmmmmmmmmm gotta love black stealth cars... car should be roughly 347 bhp and 368 torque@2-2500 rpm... not everyones cup of char but am sure will turn a few heads as v8 sound is on par with a big turbo and screamer pipe sound......
Kool.... but rotary engine or not... An RX7 needs to BLOWN...
Those US V8\'s can easily handle the breath of a turbocharger...
thanks for all the replys....:wave
what do people think of these rims... was going to fit these or get some different ones...they are rays splits...???
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nice. what offset/ width are they
235 front and 255 rear tyres.... 8 and 9 or 9.5 there are no markings on the wheels...:(
i wonder clive are your hoosiers this big...:rollin
Gawd that\'s a big ol\' lump of metal! It does sit quite far back tho doesn\'t it. Is the gbox in the stock location? What\'s the clearance round the engine like? Imagine it\'s gonna be a job to squeeze the headers in there.
boing...its nearly done 2 weeks i would say...:wave
Any more pics of it lately?
I assume there\'s gonna be a whole in the bonnet? Or have you managed to get the power plant to sit lower down?
no mre pic yet,yes there will be whole in the bonnet as the engine would not sit down low enough due to the front bottom pulley being to close to the very high steering rack on the rx7...it will be having a small height cowl induction hood center grafted in to the original bonnet,made from a sheet of ali...:wave
Sounds like a really good project mate. Bet it\'s loads of fun (bar the swearing and shouting when parts don\'t fit etc.).
Good luck with it all.
:cool
looks a good project,whats the car mainly goin to b used for,
just dradin?
na not draggin..i built it for the fun and will be ised mainly eves and weekends...
as long as it goes and drives nice this really is best of both worlds..v8 sound(best in the world) and rx7 looks
my thought entireley....:rollin
Looks really nice :)
Im currently thinking about a FD3 with an LS1 as a little project. The only thing that puts me off at the moment is our german TÃœV :/ As I want it for my daily driver.
http://www.torquecentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11
Already know that forum :) Will go with the Hinson Kit + some custom bits for cooling and this stuff.
how are my old wheels abd bumper doing ? :)
BLASPHEMY
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I take it it\'s going to be a drag car. V8 will be a lot heavier than a 13B and the weight distribution will be all wrong for track purposes - well it would take a LOT of work to get it to handle well without masses of understeer anyway. Cool project though, good luck but in my eyes its an engine downgrade. :)
Ant.
Quote from: A7NTYI take it it\'s going to be a drag car. V8 will be a lot heavier than a 13B and the weight distribution will be all wrong for track purposes - well it would take a LOT of work to get it to handle well without masses of understeer anyway. Cool project though, good luck but in my eyes its an engine downgrade. :)
Ant.
how much additional weight are we talking here ? stock engine & bits removed v v8 + new bits installed ?
Also, depends upon the make of the V8 - maybe it\'s an all alloy block. I don\'t know about these american engines much - usually they\'re cast iron, but you never know! The rover V8 for example is all alloy - makes it really light!
yes but to be fair you would have to spend 8,000 plus to get ant decent performance from that engine...i have used a 5.7 chevy sbc,its virtually standard just has 327 hi pi heads and a cam...= 347bhp and 368 torque...i have not built this to drag,or track,i like v8s and i like the rx7,hence the project...as far as weight distribution goes if you look at the pics in this thread where the dummy engine sits i think you will find it sits as far back as the 13b,maybe a little further...so it should handle fine...as when you get down to the weight difference between the two its only a matter of the weight of a person....anyway i am sure there will be plenty of critiscm and people not liking the car,and ye it wont be as fast as a lot of you single turbo boys...but i like it...:)
i think rx7 and v8 makes for one sweet motor.anyone thats heard a yank v8 will have to admit it is superb,only one equiv is tuned impreza boxer with straight thru exhaust and these to looks of rx7 :eek :eek what a car wld love to see and hear finished result
done some reading on this (bored as hell at work today) and this is quite appealing actually, no engine rebuilds and keeping a very close weight distirbution to stock. weight wise there is very little difference if you take into account all the items you would loose with the rotary setup out. very common hybrid amongst yanks.
got a few Q\'s for you rxv8:
1. assuming that you are not using hinsons kit since you have to customise the hood due to clearance issues, which wouldnt have been an issue with the kit. what kind of work was done or another kit used ?
2. any issues with steering rack length
3. was the engine, box, harness and ecu imported from the US by yourself or is there a local company who sourced these parts?
4. will you be kind enough to do a full write up when things are up and running? I realise that pics are available but those in UK considering a similar hybrid would be very interested in your progress ;)
more one reads, more options open up.... can\'t use "darling this only costed £50" when it comes to rex mods :flamed
Quote from: The Wizarddone some reading on this (bored as hell at work today) and this is quite appealing actually, no engine rebuilds and keeping a very close weight distirbution to stock. weight wise there is very little difference if you take into account all the items you would loose with the rotary setup out. very common hybrid amongst yanks.
got a few Q\'s for you rxv8:
1. assuming that you are not using hinsons kit since you have to customise the hood due to clearance issues, which wouldnt have been an issue with the kit. what kind of work was done or another kit used ?
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right i think you are confusing engines,i am using a 5.7 chevy sbc with a 600 cfm 4 barrel carb...the common engine swap in the states in the fd3s is the chevy ls1 and the hinsons kit...when fitting the sbc in the fd3 you do have hood clearence probs as the air filter comes through the hood by about 2 inches...this is because you cannot get the front pulley of the sbc any lower than the steering rack which sits very high on the fd3 set up...but thats the only major upset really.
2. any issues with steering rack length
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no issues with the lenght of the rack as its standard..
3. was the engine, box, harness and ecu imported from the US by yourself or is there a local company who sourced these parts?
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engine and box built in uk by a chevy specialist,and box is a th350 3 speed auto...with a manual valve body conversion...which is nothing short of awesome,means you still have three gears,but the shifter is spring loaded to return to the centre after each shift and you dont have to take your foot of the gas to change gear,so its basically a cheapish tiptronic conversion...
4. will you be kind enough to do a full write up when things are up and running? I realise that pics are available but those in UK considering a similar hybrid would be very interested in your progress ;)
ANSWER
i will ad more pics as the car progresses,i am hoping to have it running and driving within the next couple of weeks....
more one reads, more options open up.... can\'t use "darling this only costed £50" when it comes to rex mods :flamed
i know that people like rx7s cause of the rotay difference...but its a shame theres not any more people that are prepared to do this...as it does not have to be expensive... :3gears-rh
aaaaah, now your setup is clear.. thanks for the info, looking forward to see and hear it running soon
btw, whats the output on this engine ? 0-60 etc ?
347bhp /368 torque....standard with a cam swap...
Is yours the red rx7 I saw at the garage in Birmingham this afternoon?
If so it sound absolutely awesome especially when you put your foot when leaving. There is not better sound than a angry v8
If it wasn\'t there is a red RX in the B\'ham area that has a big V8 in from one of those new Vauxhall muscle saloons. Same lump as a Vet I think.
Met him at a pub meet, must say it fitted in very well and looked the dogs.
John
That\'s Craigs car,it has a ls1 corvette engine
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more one reads, more options open up.... can\'t use "darling this only costed £50" when it comes to rex mods :flamed[/QUOTE]
Hee hee, used that a few times, according to my GF i have the cheapest modified FD in the country! Must remember never to introduce her to Pip or Gary... :D
Quote from: bin linerThat\'s Craigs car,it has a ls1 corvette engine
PLEASE COULD I HAVE ANY INFORMATION OR CONTACT DETAILS/OR EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THIS GUY PLEASE,AND WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO HIM....THANKS... :wave
He only came once to The Royal Oak - if I see him again I\'ll ask for contact details.
John
Quote from: rxv8PLEASE COULD I HAVE ANY INFORMATION OR CONTACT DETAILS/OR EMAIL ADDRESS FOR THIS GUY PLEASE,AND WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO HIM....THANKS... :wave
I\'ll pm you his email address and or phone number but will ask him first if it is ok.
could you email me at bearnigel@yahoo.com cheers mate...
boing bin liner any luck...cheers...
Check your email mate it\'s on its way.
nigel ...you got those side light holders for that bumper yet ??? only my mot is coming up soon !!! :eek
chris it has to be said you are super patient...i am going to the car on wed so will pick em up....
bin liner no emails as of today sunday 13.30hrs...cheers...
cheers bud :D im also gettin tired of doin hand signals to those infront :D
sent it three times keep getting failed delivery.pm\'d it to you now.
the v8 ls1 is mine if anybody wants any info you can get me at tinker-27taylor@blueyonder.co.uk or day time on 01217530415 cheers craig
some more pics of the work in progress...comin up...
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some more pics of the work in progress...comin up...
have you got enough toys or what :god
you gonna use my old front end then mate or have you got your eye on another one now ??
Just wondering what you going to do for a bonnet.
One hell of a bump in the middle.
John
not as tall as you think 1 and 3/4 inch...have a custom ali cowl induction for it...
Found this on another forums. Just spot the twin snails on the front....
Fish
Wow, thats likely to have some grunt!!!
Ant.
now thats a serious car !wonder where the rad is !!
if its a really full on serious drag racer (which I must admit it doesn\'t look like from that shot) running on methanol it may not have a radiator. They don\'t even run water galleries in the head or block on the serious engines !
(and the quickest rotaries are still running standard mazda parts ... imagine the possibilities if they were customised to this extent) sorry kinda off topic there
that was for sale on ebay.com a while back,well the turbo set up was,i think the guy was goin old school supercharged...
i think this is how it ended up...pic from the ad on ebay...
Quote from: rxv8i think this is how it ended up...pic from the ad on ebay...
well I neaver seen anything like that before shame thay went piston but results are amasing I bet
Quote from: rxv8i think this is how it ended up...pic from the ad on ebay...
that doesn\'t look like the same car, theres more suprlus wiring and junk on the firewall and the heads on the engine look pants compared to the \'proper job\' ones on the twin turbo one above
yep but you do have to take your hat of to them
First post!
//www.grannysspeedshop.com
Thinkin of trying this project on an FC tII using the new LS2 GTO 6ltr.
All the mounts ect needed for the V8 conversion are from these people, just got to un-tie some funds.
RX7V8, is that nigel? from the skylineowners.com? Had a sweet R32 GTS
pm me your no mate...
rxv8 i dont think he can pm as he isnt a member..
wish i had seen this site about three years ago. :confused:
t2rew so wahts your next car then very intregued...pm me as your a member....or email me some pics to bearnigel@yahoo.com cheers...
Pretty cool site, Ive spent hours trying to read it all...............
Jump on ebay.com and check out some of the eldebrook crate small blocks..........400bhp in a crate for £2k....mmmmmmmmmmmm
yes but dont forget shipping and import tax and vat and delevery to your door oh and customs...get one built here much cheaper bud...
Gona build mine in house, probably ship a front clip from Canada and get stuck in.
Need to find a donar vehical first so if anyone knows of a late TII with a blow engine, rusty body ect, going cheap please let me know! I can collect as I have a car transporter.
Has anyone seen a UK FC V8? Would be interesting to see one before I start collecting parts
there was one round harlow. it went up for sale for about 1000 pound. kept eating driveshafts.
if you are thinking of putting a v8 into a fc make sure in will rev or you will need a higher ratio diff ,my fd with a rover 5.0 would do 3200 rpm@70mph which is a pain,this was with a 3.9 auto diff.most old generation v8s dont rev very well 5500-6000max,one answer is a 6speed box with .50-.62 overdrive this makes a massive difference,now with my ls1 fitted it does 1600rpm @70mph makes for very good fuel consumpsion (something most rotarys could only dream of !).hope this helps
mushi mushi stop dreamin dude and get it sorted...
t2rew ye i remember that red fc i was gonna buy that but spoke to the bloke and he said it was ok but needed loads of work as did not drive very well due to the steering being moved to get the motor in...
All ive got right now is a dream......... my worshops bein re-fitted untill the end of next month, gives me 6 weeks to find a decent donar car.
I\'ll send you some pics of my R32 Nigel, we are the only workshop in the country with a drop to R32.......
we are the only workshop in the country with a drop to R32.......??????????????
well the car has done 25 miles now still needs a few bits of fettling,on the inside,but drives great,and before amyone says anything its not nose heavy as the motor sits snug on the bulk head...shame the scoop had to be so big but there was no choice,and i quite like it now as it looks pretty evil...i am changing the wheels to all black...whats ur comments and opinions on how i could improve the look of the car...oh and if any one fancys photoshopping some nice deep dish rims on there please do so...oh please go on...cheers
Looks like a bit of a beast, I\'d be inclined to make another scoop, but flar out the bottom edges so it blends into the bonnet nicely. How does that scoop affect your vision?
yes i think i might but if it gets me on the road for the time being....grin...when i have some spare money i might buy a fibreglass one...cheers for the input
I think you will be spending all your spare money on rear tyres :) :D
bonnet bulge is hidious. it would look much nicer as a big chrome air filter. :)
why thankyou....lol...
Quote from: mushi_mushiPretty cool site, Ive spent hours trying to read it all...............
Jump on ebay.com and check out some of the eldebrook crate small blocks..........400bhp in a crate for £2k....mmmmmmmmmmmm
add another grand at least to fit it with all the ancillaries etc!
i have over 400 bhp for less than that! and a lot easier.
well if the engine is in and driving, that is the main thing........ well done.
the bulge isnt too subtle though, why dont you have some sort of scoop that directs air into the filter, or a nice set of throttle bodies poking out would look good.
I\'m only going to allow you to have that scoop if you have a supercharger :D Please ensure it is fitted ASAP :rollin
i think i have seen that yellow porka before, does it have a V8 and nos bottles in the boot?
do you have thing for V8\'s, i know how you feel, i have a thing for turbo\'s, i got it so bad that i turbo charged my 1200cc motor bike, which subsequently spat me off!!
what sort of power figures do you hope get?
lol...the scoop has been made to get me on the road really and its facing that way so the air is not getting rammed in to the filter,as if tuned on the spot the mixture etc would be totally wrong when driving at 70 as the air is getting forced in so would make the car run lean...
It may be in a high pressure zone anway (base of the screen)
err... periscope? :)
looks like it will be fun!
Mark
I have to agree here, i hate the scoop, but if its needed, then so be it!
Wheels wise, i really do think some big fat centrelines would suit it now...with some high walled semi slicks on the rear!
The centrelines that are all metal but split in 2....like what the beetle hot rods use.
:cool
Pleased to see its on the road.....bags of torque i bet!
Dan!!
as you know dan it serves a purpose at present,when funds allow i will try and fit something a bit more rounded...considering what it was like when i bought it i think its turned out very nice...cheers...
id like to see it in the flesh. fancy bringing it to the essex meet in sept ????
where is that...and what date as am getting married on 15 sep and not back till oct 3....:)
look in the meeting bit of the forum too be sure but i think its the first thurs night in sept. the address is there too. chelmsford i think. go on you know you want to .....
let me know if you are going nige i might try and turn up,as long as its not to far cheers craig
ye i will prob go to this craig...
let me know when and where ,
this meet should be good, i would like to have a tear up with a fast FD for a change as the local FC\'s are either dead or not quite fast enough :flamed
i better start running now as Jay is bigger than me......... much bigger.......
bring on the RWYB at the pod in a couple weeks........ i will take my hat so i can eat it :spank
:spank :spank :spank
well mine will be running in for a 1000 miles...
thats handy, i stand a chance then!
i am sure craig will be more than willing to keep up the side
in all seriousness, it would be interesting as we have about the same ultimate power but he has a much broader power band, depending on his rev limit. Mine is 8k rpm but it doesnt get on full power until 5k,
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where can i buy one of those drifty handbrake buttons?
Nice, what Tranny are you running?
nice lil dog,look like my Jack
My mates V8 RX-7 in NZ
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updated pics of the car now...
HI NIGEL looking good hows it running ?,just about to take mine off the road to fit a 6.3l with a cam,flowed heads,etc. Should make 550bhp (had it on WRCs dyno the other day with the std motor 417bhp @ 440ft lb and over 400 ft lb from 2000rpm !. Also about to start another ls1 conversion will take some photo as i go along cheers craig
hi craig...that sounds awesome what your doing...my mate with the porsche 924 the yellow one in the photos had his 355 chevy motor dynod at 501bhp...he has just ordered the procharger from the states with water injection also,he is hoping for 750hp with nitrous...has cost him best part of 20,000 for motor and charger...to much money to spend on a car me thinks...
car runs fine now,its pretty mad max styleeeeee...but i think it suits the car...might sell if you know anyone interested..as fancy saving up for an ls1 swap...????pm me if you want...
i have a ls1 pull out sat in my work shop !! interested ?
not at the moment as i would need to sell my car first to fund the project...
looking good, that vent looks a lot better now, any idea on power?
Tinker,
Those figures are impressive, are they at the fly wheel?
now this is getting toooooooooooooooooo silly. What we next need is a rocket powered version. WARP 2 Mr sulu....
yes they are at the flywheel ,360bhp at wheels ,
just thought i would bounce the theread with some more pics... had some vents custom made for the bonnet...and smoothed out the lines in the scoop...took ages of rubbing down and re skimming but got there in the end...i quite like it really,painted sayin black at present...just finishing of repairing the bumper nd then will paint it up...have also just fitted a new diff with ratio of 3.15 now so hopefully should make it better for cruising as well as for higher top speed...bonnet looks awesome in the flesh...hump seems to look big in the pic...
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Looks excellent quality! How did you make the vents?
Won\'t you get lots of crap in your engine bay with the vents facing forward?
yeah, you\'re gonna have to put some mesh in there to protect the shiny bits...
They had to do that to the TVR Sagaris too, and those vents were facing backwards :)
lol...who cares fellas...its all about the lllllllllllllooook...:):)
hi nige i take it you are keeping the v8 then ?, my 6,3l bottom end has arrived so i am just building the new motor to put in, i have big cam,ls6 flowed heads ,center force clutch etc shoul be good for about 550 bhp,525 ft lb. will have to meet up when done are there any meets coming up ? (i have two more fd3s to convert just need some time !!!),how many hours on the bonnet !!!!!!!
hey mate...wots up....shame your engine not finished as its santa pod on sunday...could of ran it in a bit...engine sounds impresive...should be plenty of torque then...i was contemplating fitting my dart ali heads and a bigger cam as i should get 65hp ish...the valves are 2.08"...bloody huge...or i was thinking maybe a 383 stroker...just changing the diff at the moment to a 750 v12 bmw item lsd with 3.15 ratio...ye and the bonnet was sooooooo long to di but worth it i think...
new pic of bonnet and bumper back on...
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nice
I like the mat black look
hi nigel want a ls1 long engine (block,crank,rods,pistons,etc) just taken out to put in 6.3l . will fit your box as far as i know , its only done 2000 miles
At first I thought there was a bit of camera shake, then I realised you must have the engine ticking over and it\'s shaking the whole car to bits and the garage too! :D
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"FD or not FD? that is the question"
Neather judge a book by its cover?
well it looks fast and skery and I think it is
but is an fd or a hybrid speshall
not exatly an fd is it?
but defenatly a masterpeas.
Say what you want but i really like this, superb work :flamed
Its still a RX7 although the die hard rotary lovers will be out-raged ;) yes the rotary engine makes it special but so does something different like the V8 transplant, and it looks very mean :2Mad :Hammer
cheers gurj....
dont get me rong Love this car it is the dog\'s b######
I love v8 power have it in my series one landy
I take my hat of to the builder
just belive it in a class of its own
well its for sale now...as have bought a new car...
ive painted the bonnet now,just going to give it a wax up at the weekend then shes ready to go if anyones interested...going at ebay and a/trader it monday...7,995ono...car has cost me nearly 12k...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/rxv8/P1010123.jpg
Have you taken the \'Beast\' out on the roads yet? I wonder how the legendary Rex handling translates to a V8 conversion? When you turn the steering wheel does it just keep going straight! :chat
you should really look in to what your saying before you start talking rubbish...the only reason it would go straight is if i forgot to turn the steering wheel...:( infact i would say and a few people have been out in it say theres no noticeable difference...
Great News ;)
maybe some of these people saying about the v8 motor upseting the handling should maybe drive one ! , ive only driven 4 fds 3 with rotarys and mine with a ls1 ,mine was the best but only because i have spent time setting the suspension correctly and not lowering it to far,how many people cringe about fitting a different engine but drive a car on the bump stops or with wrong offset wheels etc ????
I agree ^^^
A lot of people that say that sort of thing have no idea! They just look at the engine bay to see how much of the engine overhangs the front strut towers and that\'s what they make their assumption on!!!
Correctly setup front suspension can transform a car with a heavier than stock front end. I have also been in an RX-7 V8 (FC) and it handled really well for being fitted with an old school cast iron chev V8! :chat
Uhm...could I suggest that if you re-read my post of a few days ago re. FDV8 handling, you may just be able to discern that it was meant as a light-hearted joke! Unfortunately it seemed to hit a bit of a raw nerve! I think you V8 afficianado\'s should realise that many FD owners have no experience of the effect an engine conversion would have on handling and are actually just curious to know. That was certainly the reason I asked. In retrospect, I guess I should have just asked how it handled and scrapped the joke. I certainly didn\'t mean to cause any offence. :)
^ My post wasn\'t aimed at you in particular - it was just a general comment.