Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 06:05:47 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 06:05:47 PM
Just collected my car from WGT.
Looking at the Dyno sheet I thought 291bhp at the flywheel was pretty good until Pip quickly corrected me that this was an at the wheels figure and needs to be corrected for a flywheel figure so I\'m pretty chuffed.:)
Not bad for the original 64000 mile engine!
Many thanks once again to Pip and Dave for a top quality job.
James
Looking at the Dyno sheet I thought 291bhp at the flywheel was pretty good until Pip quickly corrected me that this was an at the wheels figure and needs to be corrected for a flywheel figure so I\'m pretty chuffed.:)
Not bad for the original 64000 mile engine!
Many thanks once again to Pip and Dave for a top quality job.
James
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 06:07:43 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 06:07:43 PM
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Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: James S on April 09, 2005, 06:13:50 PM
Post by: James S on April 09, 2005, 06:13:50 PM
thats a good figure at the wheels :) what mods have you done to get it?
:wave
:wave
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 07:11:41 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 07:11:41 PM
New large intercooler seems to be working really well plus the usual stuff really,Apexi ECU,HKS intakes.Although the engine is still original the turbos have been changed at some point and I\'m not sure what spec they are.Will have too do some digging on that one!
James
James
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: James S on April 09, 2005, 07:32:55 PM
Post by: James S on April 09, 2005, 07:32:55 PM
seems like a good figure for the mods youve got there :D you must be happy with that!
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 07:50:14 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 09, 2005, 07:50:14 PM
Yup,happy with that James! has stripped interior,no stereo and speakers etc,lightweight Recaros and full cage,aircon and airpump etc have been removed plus loads of other bits removed to save weight so it goes really well for the power.Don\'t need them anyway as the car only gets thrashed around tracks:D
James
James
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 09, 2005, 09:18:47 PM
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 09, 2005, 09:18:47 PM
oooh nice
getting mine done on monday.!!!!!
excitement building
getting mine done on monday.!!!!!
excitement building
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: gsb876 on April 09, 2005, 10:41:11 PM
Post by: gsb876 on April 09, 2005, 10:41:11 PM
Is the Dyno up and running now then ????
I know they had a few probs with it originally when i was there.
Gurj
I know they had a few probs with it originally when i was there.
Gurj
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: babz_audio on April 09, 2005, 11:04:53 PM
Post by: babz_audio on April 09, 2005, 11:04:53 PM
i want to know aswell if that dyno is sorted, as i have to get that power fc fitted and my car re-mapped, im being very lazy
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Dan Norton on April 10, 2005, 12:19:08 AM
Post by: Dan Norton on April 10, 2005, 12:19:08 AM
Nice one james....happy with that i bet :)
Cars looking spanking aswell mate.
Very good!!!
Dan!!
Cars looking spanking aswell mate.
Very good!!!
Dan!!
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 10, 2005, 07:50:39 AM
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 10, 2005, 07:50:39 AM
Yup - Dynopack is working fine,Dave said they had a few minor teething problems when it first went in but it\'s fine now.
Very impressed with this kit,allows for very accurate tuning.It feels very quick from 4000rpm compared to before,the boost graphs showed the boost was fluctuating on the second turbo caused by the wastegate,a few tweaks and the final plot shows the boost delivery is very smooth and linear and the power feels very strong now.
Cheers Dan! spent loads on it over the winter,intercooler,RAYS bumper etc.
James
Very impressed with this kit,allows for very accurate tuning.It feels very quick from 4000rpm compared to before,the boost graphs showed the boost was fluctuating on the second turbo caused by the wastegate,a few tweaks and the final plot shows the boost delivery is very smooth and linear and the power feels very strong now.
Cheers Dan! spent loads on it over the winter,intercooler,RAYS bumper etc.
James
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Dan Norton on April 10, 2005, 09:06:42 AM
Post by: Dan Norton on April 10, 2005, 09:06:42 AM
Yea, i noticed the new additions mate straight away......good power aswell, whats 290 at the wheels.....about 340 at the fly??
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 10, 2005, 09:51:12 AM
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 10, 2005, 09:51:12 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dan Norton
Yea, i noticed the new additions mate straight away......good power aswell, whats 290 at the wheels.....about 340 at the fly??
290 * 1.18 = 342.2
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Dan Norton on April 10, 2005, 11:28:34 AM
Post by: Dan Norton on April 10, 2005, 11:28:34 AM
That was a good guess by me then :D
18% transmission loss then?
Dan!!
18% transmission loss then?
Dan!!
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: scooby_si on April 10, 2005, 01:06:02 PM
Post by: scooby_si on April 10, 2005, 01:06:02 PM
surely if it\'s 18% loss you should divide by 82 then multiply by 100 to get what it is at fly so 354+ ponies?
Si (dunno about the power stuff but i am a statistics freak
)
Si (dunno about the power stuff but i am a statistics freak
)
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: 20B_boy on April 10, 2005, 02:40:52 PM
Post by: 20B_boy on April 10, 2005, 02:40:52 PM
Either way, I dont think the \'18%\' loss is much to go by. The 18% loss that gets banded about was determined from the FDUK rolling road day on a Dyno Dynamics chassis dyno back in 2002(?) by looking at 2 stock RX7\'s and comparing their measured wheel output with what their manufacturers FWHP was quoted as being. Also, the hub figure is going to reflect less drivetrain loss than the wheel figure - a big lump of metal and rubber takes some turning!
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 10, 2005, 07:02:40 PM
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 10, 2005, 07:02:40 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by scooby_si
surely if it\'s 18% loss you should divide by 82 then multiply by 100 to get what it is at fly so 354+ ponies?
Si (dunno about the power stuff but i am a statistics freak
you\'re probably right, statisitcs is not my strong point it must be said.
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Wav on April 11, 2005, 10:06:55 AM
Post by: Wav on April 11, 2005, 10:06:55 AM
Looking good, so how much $$$ are we talking for a session on the rollers and a full map?
Cheers,
Paul:)
Cheers,
Paul:)
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Rich Cheung on April 11, 2005, 03:52:39 PM
Post by: Rich Cheung on April 11, 2005, 03:52:39 PM
Saw your car on Friday James, looking good buddy.
I was up at Pips all day on Friday having a load of work done. A big thanks to Pip and Dave for all your help.
What a place to break down, literally 30 yards from Pips door.
Anyway main reason for my post is talking to Dave they think their Dynopack is reading figures lower than what they should be. Apparently cars they\'ve put on their old setup are now recording lower figures on the Dynopack.
Mine seemed to follow this trend. If you remeber I got 286bhp at the Nobles RR day. Since then I\'ve had it decatted, downpipes, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump and Apexi ecu fitted. All mapped properley by Pip and now putting out 297bhp.
Rich :)
I was up at Pips all day on Friday having a load of work done. A big thanks to Pip and Dave for all your help.
What a place to break down, literally 30 yards from Pips door.
Anyway main reason for my post is talking to Dave they think their Dynopack is reading figures lower than what they should be. Apparently cars they\'ve put on their old setup are now recording lower figures on the Dynopack.
Mine seemed to follow this trend. If you remeber I got 286bhp at the Nobles RR day. Since then I\'ve had it decatted, downpipes, bigger injectors, bigger fuel pump and Apexi ecu fitted. All mapped properley by Pip and now putting out 297bhp.
Rich :)
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 11, 2005, 04:29:59 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 11, 2005, 04:29:59 PM
Thanks Rich,is that a flywheel figure or at the wheels?
I\'ve never been a fan of traditional rolling roads but these hub Dynos are the way forward,closest thing to an engine Dyno without getting too complex.Dave said the same thing,they think it\'s under reading by as much as 20%.Mine actually made more power on the twins than a single turbo they had on a few days before.
Feels a fair bit quicker than my 20B Cosmo did on it\'s fresh engine and the Cossy was no slouch above a tonne!
James
I\'ve never been a fan of traditional rolling roads but these hub Dynos are the way forward,closest thing to an engine Dyno without getting too complex.Dave said the same thing,they think it\'s under reading by as much as 20%.Mine actually made more power on the twins than a single turbo they had on a few days before.
Feels a fair bit quicker than my 20B Cosmo did on it\'s fresh engine and the Cossy was no slouch above a tonne!
James
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Rich Cheung on April 11, 2005, 04:31:08 PM
Post by: Rich Cheung on April 11, 2005, 04:31:08 PM
Sorry for a slightly misleading post.
The Noble day figures were recorded at the flywheel and Pip\'s at the hubs.
That said Dave still thought it was recording lower figures.
I\'m just more impressed with the sound now its got a proper zorst on. Great fun setting car and bus alarms off :rollin
The Noble day figures were recorded at the flywheel and Pip\'s at the hubs.
That said Dave still thought it was recording lower figures.
I\'m just more impressed with the sound now its got a proper zorst on. Great fun setting car and bus alarms off :rollin
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Rich Cheung on April 11, 2005, 04:55:01 PM
Post by: Rich Cheung on April 11, 2005, 04:55:01 PM
QuoteMine actually made more power on the twins than a single turbo they had on a few days before.
Have you opened a can of worms there James....lol
Who needs single turbo eh ! :rollin
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: gsb876 on April 11, 2005, 05:20:29 PM
Post by: gsb876 on April 11, 2005, 05:20:29 PM
Hmmmmm ;)
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: scooby_si on April 11, 2005, 05:49:24 PM
Post by: scooby_si on April 11, 2005, 05:49:24 PM
You got a proper figure yet big man? 
Si
Si
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: John Yorke on April 11, 2005, 06:17:24 PM
Post by: John Yorke on April 11, 2005, 06:17:24 PM
Same ol story different machine-:reallymad Guys these ARE for tuning not pub talk figures:confused: I\'m sure you will find no matter where in the UK / world you go, you will get different numbers, be happy you have a healthy car/ engine THAT has been tuned by an EXPERT, only way you guys will see who is producing the best figures is all to turn up the same day on the same machine :spank
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 11, 2005, 06:21:31 PM
Post by: JamesFD3 on April 11, 2005, 06:21:31 PM
Have you opened a can of worms there James....lol
Hope not Rich!:)
When it eventually goes pop I will get Pip to port the engine and fit a Garrett GT35/40 kit,single is the way to go if you want BIG power.
James
Hope not Rich!:)
When it eventually goes pop I will get Pip to port the engine and fit a Garrett GT35/40 kit,single is the way to go if you want BIG power.
James
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: gmogle on April 11, 2005, 08:37:24 PM
Post by: gmogle on April 11, 2005, 08:37:24 PM
Only 1 question for me James....
Can we have more pics of your car !!! Looks awesome. I do like the Gram Lights front bumper.
Gareth
Can we have more pics of your car !!! Looks awesome. I do like the Gram Lights front bumper.
Gareth
Title: WGT Dynopack
Post by: Ed_RX7 on April 11, 2005, 08:55:35 PM
Post by: Ed_RX7 on April 11, 2005, 08:55:35 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by John Yorke
Same ol story different machine-:reallymad Guys these ARE for tuning not pub talk figures:confused: I\'m sure you will find no matter where in the UK / world you go, you will get different numbers, be happy you have a healthy car/ engine THAT has been tuned by an EXPERT, only way you guys will see who is producing the best figures is all to turn up the same day on the same machine :spank
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