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Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 01:00:42 PM
It looks near enough impossable to get these out.. im trying from above and none of them are reachable, so iv taken the inlet pipes off for the intercooler thingy and still i cant even get the leads off them let alone get the plugs out.,, ma engines flooded i hope n im getting no where.. pweeze help! :reallymad
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Wav on April 07, 2005, 01:14:55 PM
Try going from underneath! :D ;)

Paul
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 01:20:30 PM
how far down are they m8? im sure i can see all for off them from the top? they have blue covers over them lol?
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 01:27:18 PM
This is a nightmare to do unless you get underneath the car.

If this is a follow on from you flooding thread you dont have to remove the spark plugs to deflood the engine.

1) connect the car battery up to jumpleads to another motor (as this drains the battery very quickl)

2) remove the EGI fuse from the box next to the battery, i think its the 2nd one down.

3) Put your foot flat to the throttle and turn the engine over for about 20 secs at a time. The fuel should come out fo the exhaust.
Keep doing this until it stops.

4) replace the fuse and start her up.

This is how i cleared mine after flooding.

Stu
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 01:32:26 PM
WOW!!! you are a legend im away to try that lol.. was wanting to check there was no water on them too tho :confused:  but i will giv it a whirl.. cheers bud. And just for a heads up i do search for these topics lol
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: ScuttleRX on April 07, 2005, 01:33:24 PM
You can get them from the top, wont lie though it is a pain in the arse :) Try some different combo\'s of extender bars on your ratchet, think i had to use different sizes to get to all of the plugs.

Stu\'s suggestion sounds a lot simpler so id try that first ;)
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 01:35:36 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by interloper393
WOW!!! you are a legend im away to try that lol.. was wanting to check there was no water on them too tho :confused:  but i will giv it a whirl.. cheers bud. And just for a heads up i do search for these topics lol

Hope it helps. It is listed as an approach in the Flooded Sticky but i think its about half way down. I used this as i dont have any of the tools needed to take out sparkpugs on an FD.

Let us know how you get on??

:D
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Archbish on April 07, 2005, 01:39:25 PM
try a stubby ratchet from above.  I\'ve managed to get to the point now where I can remove the plugs from above without removing the elbow (on the car, not mine)!

I don\'t have a stubby, but find I can loosen them with a normal medium ratchet
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 01:41:21 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Archbish
try a stubby ratchet from above.  I\'ve managed to get to the point now where I can remove the plugs from above without removing the elbow (on the car, not mine)!

I don\'t have a stubby, but find I can loosen them with a normal medium ratchet

Are you sure you havent removed your elbow. Ill bet you cut your arm to bits this way. Or maybe i had a problem as i am as mechanically minded as tinky winky!!

:rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 02:15:10 PM
You are a legend started first time :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
How long does it usually blow white smelly smoke out the back lol iv left it ticking over the now to see if it clears? this a bad idear?
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 02:22:54 PM
Smoke usually clears after a minute or so.

Take the car out for about 20 mins and let everything clear up and warm up before you turn her off again.

Its a lesson well learned about flooding. Glad i could help.

Stu
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 02:31:42 PM
Umm a few worrys now m8, theres loads of white smoke from the exhaust, white smoke coming from the engine bay and my overflow tank is ****ing all my coolent out!.. im so sad whats gone wrong now??
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 02:36:29 PM
Out my league now im afraid. Bound to have someone offer some advice in a few minutes but prop best to turn her off for the time being.


You can always deflood her again but if your fry something your knackered.


CALLING ROTARY EXPERTS!!!!!!!
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Martiny on April 07, 2005, 02:37:02 PM
EeeK I am afraid that is very very bad news. Most likely there is failure of the Rotor housing water seal ( sometimes called the O rings).

This requires the engine to be stripped to replace/diagnose.
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 02:41:28 PM
Interloper,

Where did you source the car from?? Any warranty or the like??
Hope this works out for you mate!!

:(
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 02:42:18 PM
The white smoke does die down and become faint, but really the cars not had a run for about 7 weeks because its just been shipped from japan. As for the engine, im loosing a tiny amount maybe a few drops a day? could this just be burning on the engine when its heating up? and i filled the center filler cap to the brim before starting her up..
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 02:46:36 PM
When i got mine deflooded the smoke stopped from the exhaust after about 20 seconds. there was some condensation from the turbo but this cleared up when i took her out for a spin.

Just what happened to me. So may not be the same for you mate.
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 02:58:10 PM
*Crying like a baby* umm is it wise to take her out for a short run to see if this helps matters? o did i mention i put unleaded petrol in lol! this would cause it to smoke wouldnt it guys? to rich mayber?

Im trying to delay the enevitable (too hard to spell lol)
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 03:01:55 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by interloper393
*Crying like a baby* umm is it wise to take her out for a short run to see if this helps matters? o did i mention i put unleaded petrol in lol! this would cause it to smoke wouldnt it guys? to rich mayber?

Im trying to delay the enevitable (too hard to spell lol)

Id take the advise of someone more knowledgable than me. I know how to deflood a car, but there ends the extent of my know how.

Most people on here reccomend shell optimax fuel as it has the highest octane rating. But i cant see why just putting normal 94 Ron would have such a quick effect. I dont think the fuel is the cause of the smoke.

Is the car running any modifications?? That may help us to understand what is happening?
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 03:04:52 PM
Twin air filters and a stainless exhaust up to the middle of the car i think, cant see any more of it lol..a few hks pipes..

Thanks alot for all the help guys, this forum be the best thing iv found on the rx7`s :):rollin :wave
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 03:07:06 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by interloper393
Twin air filters and a stainless exhaust up to the middle of the car i think, cant see any more of it lol..a few hks pipes..

Thanks alot for all the help guys, this forum be the best thing iv found on the rx7`s :):rollin :wave

Might be a bit lean. Has it got a standard ECU, or a replacement??
Since the fuel in the country is at a lower RON rating than in Japan this may have had an effect? Possibly?
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 03:10:15 PM
Pass on the ecu bud, well if it comes to it then i`ll do the rebuild myself i.e ma m8 a do it lol..

Hey where abouts you live Big Stu, i`ll buy u a pint or 5 lol
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Martiny on April 07, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
Ok, a few drops a day might not be much to worry about. It would really be pumping out of the expansion tank if it was an o-ring.

If the smoke has died down, then fine, lets hope!

The fuel is only really a problem when on full boost, so take it easy till you can get Optimax or Super. You could put in some octane booster for now if you are really worried about it.

Go for a short drive, up to normal temp I would say, then let it cool down, and check the water and let us know.
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 03:14:39 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by interloper393
Pass on the ecu bud, well if it comes to it then i`ll do the rebuild myself i.e ma m8 a do it lol..

Hey where abouts you live Big Stu, i`ll buy u a pint or 5 lol

Sort out the car and come to rotorstock for a beer mate. Im in lincs so a bot of a drive from Scotland

;)
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 07, 2005, 03:17:24 PM
mate, I\'m gutted for you. I hope all this works out ok for you.
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Oedipus Rex on April 07, 2005, 03:19:33 PM
also as a quick note. If you overfill the coolant system, when you first start it up it will **** fluid out of the overflow tank, so don\'t get too freaked out just yet about rebuilds.
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 03:26:19 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Oedipus Rex
also as a quick note. If you overfill the coolant system, when you first start it up it will **** fluid out of the overflow tank, so don\'t get too freaked out just yet about rebuilds.

nice one oedipus, at least that may go to explain the fluid pumping out when it got started up??
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: iaint on April 07, 2005, 03:29:58 PM
Once you\'ve got things under control (i.e. not losing coolant out of the expansion tank) one test that will indicate pressurisation of the coolant system (i.e. feils water seals) is to run the car without the pressure cap on.  Do this from cold - if there\'s loads of bubbles coming up the neck then it\'d bad news.

Also, if you\'re topping the coolant up regularly (i.e. after each run) it\'s possible that you\'re losing coolant into the rotor and it\'s burning off on start-up.  You shouldn\'t get much white smoke on start-up - clouds of it indicates a problem.

You can also get the car\'s coolant system compression tested.  Di it without the bottom sparkplugs in each rotor - if the seal\'s gone then water will come out of the plughole.  This test might finish the motor off though.

I ran mine for 4+ months with worsening seals before I bit the bullet and had it rebuilt.  Eventually it wa regularly starting on 1 rotor and there was a large amount of smoke on start-up.  Power levels were still good though but I had to top up coolant continually.

Iain
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 03:31:32 PM
Hey stuee i`ll drive around the world for a beer lol..

Does oil pump out the expansion tank if its the o ring?

Cheers for the sympathy Oedipus Rex lol.. im also hoping it goes well lol
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 03:37:13 PM
Sorry forget that last post lol..
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 04:06:26 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by interloper393
Sorry forget that last post lol..

You can always post me a can of Stella ( stands back and waits for Scooby si after mentionin stella).

Glad things sound a little better now mate, and good news about the importer.
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: colinrx7surrey on April 07, 2005, 04:49:26 PM
interloper i sent u a pm buddy ----get bk
cheers colin
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 04:50:16 PM
hehe you get about m8 lol your on eveyone of my posts lol greedy boy!! :rollin

Thanks for all the help and hope to see you at a show soon lol
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: Big Stu on April 07, 2005, 04:59:08 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by interloper393
hehe you get about m8 lol your on eveyone of my posts lol greedy boy!! :rollin

Thanks for all the help and hope to see you at a show soon lol

Having a busy posting day. I want to get up to 1000 posts before Rotorstock.
Title: How do you take the spark plugs out???
Post by: interloper393 on April 07, 2005, 05:11:31 PM
Thats the one in edinburgh rite? im hopefully going to that lol