These are some of the latest pics from the camo car. This is going to be the new circuit demo FD for Dragon. It should be more relevant to most FD customers than the Drag car as it will be set-up for fast road and track use. I will update this thread as more modifications are carried out.
Thisirst pick shows how thefront support has been rmoved to allow more airflow for the custom V mount set-up. The fabricated alu bar allows the nose to still be mounted in the stock location.
Also so you can see that the font relay box has been removed, I am also moving the wriring loom and also hiding the two other fuse/relay boxes.
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Very nice.
Do you have any pics of the exterior of the car?
You planning on running without powersteering or is the pulley just temperarily off?
very nice,ihad to remove the bottom bar 2 fit the front mount,
put a new bar in behind the intercooler,
keep us posted i wona c more of the wirein bein moved
Gonna go for electric power steering.
Here is a pic of the intercooler that I have had made up, just done the drawings for the rad and faxed them off to have that made up too.
At last, UK V-mount.
How much are they gonna be??
We have also got a v mount setup under development...not sur ehow it will compare??
I think you will find that there are quite a few people over here selling v mounts
I am not making a kit to sell, just a one off. Although I would recommend them as a design, over the front mount.
What size intercooler are you using??
Getting there, been absolutely stacked out with work, but its coming together slowly.
Got a complete wide ardh kit coming so may go for another colour. But love the camo so not sure yet.
V-mount nearly done. This custom one has been very, very labour intensive, I would advise anyone of thinking of making one to buy a kit!
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quick pic of the proper circuit car, havent worked on it for about 6 months!!!
Should be finished 1 day.
This is car we are prepping at the moment for a customer. Never been registered in the so doesn\'t need to be road legal. Just a track weapon. Standardish engine but greta suspension brakes and chassis strenthening.
who\'s is the copy of buttman??? *lol*
no idea.
whatever..... *grin*
Looking good Ross:bandit
What buckets have you used on that customers car? and can you buy the correct fit seat rails or do you have to fit universal ones? Am going to be putting buckets with a striped out interior in our next project :cool
Keep us updated,
Paul:)
Hi Ross
Looking good mate
Do ya have rough dimensions of the intercooler you used for ya vmount at all please???
Cheers
Matt
what happend to the car under the ramp.
y no roof?
u gota keep the camo look
Looking good Ross , Castle Combe action day on 23rd will it be finished and up and running for then?
Stacked out with work or sidetracked by Buttman :D :D :D
V-Mount looks pretty sweet though, are you planning on sticking in an adjustable splitter between the rad and IC?
I assume you\'re still keeping the fans for the rad, but do you still have room to mount the undertray or is that being removed?
H
QuoteOriginally posted by asp
what happend to the car under the ramp. y no roof?
well spotted asp...
DRAGON, answer the question god dammit!! :D
LOL :wave
Mmmm... all looks very interesting! I\'ll have to pop over your way sometime for a closer look!!;) Well impressed with your own V-mount - that looks like it was a proper headache to put together!!:eek:
The car with no roof is a write off. It still drives though. I will post up a vid later.
Just look at the stack of rotor housings:eek: would love them on my garage workkshop.:D Are they all knackered I wonder.
Nice wheels on the circuit car too.
very very impressive stuff Ross, really good to see people in the UK producing quality like this ...
We\'ll have to get together with the cameras ;) :D
Just got full RE kit.
New Digital dash.
Cutting out the rear arches.
Step 2.
Step 3. ready to be welded up.
New ignition sytem.
Good place to leave the porn mags.... :D
Fish
Looking good! Hope you got the under sweep and carards for the front end;) nice!!
Nearly finished the V-Mount.
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looking good ross :D
How much are the digital dash???
Nice V mount :D
Car looks very Sweet . cant wait to see it in action
Started work on the camo car again, just finished and sprayed the cage up. The wide arch kit turning up has given me lots of enthusiasm again!
:D That looks sweet :yes
I want that V-Mount
and the winner for the how much pipe can you fit in an fd competition is :D :D
were you worried about chassis flex :D
nice one :yes
Hi Ross
Looking awesome mate...thought i had a fair cage in my ex cossie race car!!...that really is impressive... dont think ill go that far with my cage when i do my rx...
What are you thinking of using it for... trackdays..or a race series...
Cheers
Matt
You\'ll have to mind your head in there!!
I\'ll give you a bell at some point about a cage too.
way do i not have permission to access picture pages?
Quote from: osenway do i not have permission to access picture pages?
Only mambers can access pictures now mate.
ok, so how do i get a membership?
Quote from: osenok, so how do i get a membership?
There is a link right at the top of the page in red and yellow that says "Join MRC Now" (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/shop/index.php?cPath=1) :)
thanks, I missed that
Roll cage looks aweosme Ross, that will be a track weapon when its done.
Ant.
Thanks Ant, that reminds me I owe you some cash!
I will be working on this one all over christmas, latest shots show weight reduction, and weight distribution mods.
Already have fuel tank built to go in the rear seats so decided to use it on this project, as the competition for circuit cars is going to be very serious next year, Norris etc, and we cant have the RX7s not being displayed to their full potential.
I have cut out the rear of the car past the turrets, this will be replaced with a lightweight frame for hold kit and diffuser. Design on the white board.
The fuel tank will sit in the rear seats, this will make for excelllent weight distribution. Echoing the engine which sits in approx the same position in comparison to the wheels.
I\'m looking forward to seeing this in \'06 Ross, keep up the good work :)
Do you think it\'ll be done by Easter? *hint hint*
Loving the technical drawing skills...
Are you thinking of entering a race series or is this more a track day weapon...
Cheers
DC
Looks like a cool plan!
I wish I had the tools and workshop to do what you do!
All the Japanese tunng mags give me loads of ideas for mine, but not having the setup means I can\'t put any into action. Will give you a buzz about getting some bits and ideas done for mine, what are your crimbo/new year opening hours BTW?
Looking good Ross.
A lot of work to be done, someone is going to be busy this Christmas!
:)
Looks a nice one there Ross!
Will you be taking it to TOTB next year?
Andy_k I will be trying to take it to most events next year. Missed loads this year due to setting up the new workshop.
Latest pic shows frame to hold the rear bodywork.
The frame for the rear is now complete. Got the rear of the kit fitting roughly. Going to be fibreglassing the rear in and making a massive rear diffusder that bolts up to the bottom of the frame.
damn that looks good, gona be very impressive, so u sticking with the camo paintwork???
Not sure about paint work. Matt Black would keep some continuity between the Dragon cars though!
latest pics, taking longer than expected!
Using a RE Amemiya 02 widebody eh, nice!!
That looks awsome :)
When do we get to see it in action?
Got the camo out in the daylight today. Its getting there, should have lots more updates soon.
Some people have been making negative comments recently, so if you feel like that please dont post on my thread, (Antinik and Carlos, etc). Also I\'m sure what I am doing is not of interest to these people anyway.
For those that are interested all comments of positive or contructive critisism about the car will be gratefully recieved, the more the better as the car is still in the design stage to a certain extent.
Any plans to run it in the time attack series when its done Ross? Looks like that would be a good home for it and give it somewhere to show how it goes.
Nice one Dragon.... :god
Its gonna be a monster and different as never seen before here in the UK.
Some things are worth the wait and this one is on mine waiting list for sure.. :yes :yes
What front bumper is that??
Yes thats the plan, I want to fly the flag for the RX7. They seem to do very well in Japans Time attack.
We have Guru Gog Box etc now so have all the right ingredients, just need to start testing etc. I have a GT car racing driver that will drive it for me. But I would like to have a go myself first.
Quote from: DRAGONSome people have been making negative comments recently, so if you feel like that please dont post on my thread, (Antinik and Carlos, etc). Also I\'m sure what I am doing is not of interest to these people anyway.
I have made no comments towards you.
PM replied to.
Quote from: DRAGONYes thats the plan, I want to fly the flag for the RX7. They seem to do very well in Japans Time attack.
We have Guru Gog Box etc now so have all the right ingredients, just need to start testing etc. I have a GT car racing driver that will drive it for me. But I would like to have a go myself first.
Time attack would be great , fly the flag Dragon !!!
Bulla
Great stuff Ross,following your progress with interest.You may remember I\'m helping out with building an FD circuit racer with WGT/Newera/MW bodyshop,fair way to go yet though but should be very quick with the bits we have when completed.Lots of details to be sorted and like yours very much a work in progress...
James
Looking very nice Ross.. we will see you at a trackday near you soon!!! May have to be more than one flying the flag:D :D
But we have our very own resident so called GT Race Driver :D :D :D D:
Good luck Ross...
Cool, I like the RE Amemiya 2002 widebody! Was on my list of possible bodykits before going for the Kazama, you going to keep the camo theme or go for something else?
Keep up the excellent projects, it\'s what makes FDs so interesting!
Looking coooooooooooooooooooooooooool. :3gears-rh
Speaking as someone who knows NOWT about this stuff, I must say that I am in awe(sp) of the work that has/is being done, as shown in this thread.
Ross, (hope you don\'t mind, never met) fan bl**dy tastic :god :Thumbs-up :cool .
Thanks for sharing.
Ian.
Good work Ross, i cant Waite to see it running cant even imagine what your feeling like.
Well done mate it look real nice:)
Got some work done over the weekend, test fitted the engine which allowed me to work out where the final chassis leg braces could go.
So just welded these in. Had to be careful not to get in the way of the Turbo/manifold.
Just about to make the final order for the fuel fittings. But we are way behind schedule, just want to get it out before the end of the year now.
Bit more fiddly to get the engine in now:)
looking good. Seems there will be some competition over there soon.
Give those 4wd boys hell.
Yeah competition sounds good....you now have something to put yourself up against me, as you requested.
See how your car performs against a race engineered car!
So £1000 wasnt it????
Candy and babies come to mind ;)
What are the master cylinders you are using... and I guessing you are also losing the power steering?
I dont usually respond to you Jon, but as your post is more constructive than your usual efforts..
£1000 sounds fine. Actually very interested to see the results.
Fantastic
Name the circuit and bring some money!
As for not replying to my posts, its a shame, as I only speak the truth...but often it can hurt!
Im not a big fan of yours either Ross, but i have got to say i love what your doing with the Circuit and Street cars.
Personally I think Ross\' engineering skills are more show than technical. The chassis hasn\'t been thought out using any knowledge of compression and tension mechanics....It looks far more like lets weld a bit of metal here and another bit over there.
But this is good, because I don\'t think the car will have a compliant chassis anymore. As such, despite the fact your engine will be have more horses, the challenge is set for a circuit....which inherently has corners. And this is where I believe the car wont work as well you think.
I\'m sure it would murder me on a drag strip; but on a circuit this car, I\'m sure, will be let itself down, but time will tell
AtomicRex how did you learn about chassis?
Make a few mistakes try again make it better? At least hes trying and posting it up for us to see.
Quote from: Andy_kAtomicRex how did you learn about chassis?
Make a few mistakes try again make it better? At least hes trying and posting it up for us to see.
No I did 2 years of a Mech Eng Degree before changing to Maths with Astrophysics.
I do agree that there are many ways to build something, but frankly I would sooner sit down with a book and understand the fundamental principles before even cutting and welding. Having experienced this first hand, I am happy to criticise the work
As for trying I do agree, it\'s great Ross posts this up...
If you guys do race it will be very interesting for sure :Laugh :cheers
Quote from: AtomicRexThe chassis hasn\'t been thought out using any knowledge of compression and tension mechanics....It looks far more like lets weld a bit of metal here and another bit over there.
If the it hasn\'t been built with these in mind, then can you please point out the fundamental mistakes?
The over complication of the roll cage!
I cant believe that you\'ve actually sat down and worked out the design on paper prior to cutting and welding, when i was there even Monkey said that you were welding parts on just because you could!
So are you able to tell me when a join is in compression or tension? I presume you\'ve thought about the way the loadings are going to translate through the chassis? When understanding the type of force appropriate to each join, you would understand what gauge of metal to use, and whether the angle is correct.
So your assumptions are based on the fact that you dont think I designed the cage? There are some fundamental rules to follow when designing a cage, you will obviously know of these with your extensive knowledge. As you presume mine is random then please point these out!
For your information I used various sources. One being Chassis engineering by Herb adams. And also Multibody Systems Approach to Vehicle Dynamics by Mike Blundel, which is far more involved, but very usefull. I also have the auto math handbook, which gives many formulas for weight ditribution/centre of gravity/weight transfere etc.
Its easy to criticise Jon, and I know your motivation is not positive. I would rather put my efforts into other posts too genuinely interested people, rather than responding to your assumptions.
Your overal theme is that you think this car will not work. And I am impressed that you have followed that up with £1000 bet. So as they say \'talk is cheap\'. Lets see how it goes at the track.
Ross, it is a shame that you didn\'t use these books when designing my roll cage! There you made huge errors, and i am basing my judgement on these, as well as the fact you are putting bars in irregular places. Why an earth did you put one that goes up the centre of the screen? Having followed motorsport for many years I have never seen a bar like this.
Looking at the differences between your cage and mine, bearing in mind mine has been designed by a professional company and is FIA rated, yours is overly complicated....which leads me to believe that although you\'ve bought those books, they certainly weren\'t applied! For one Ross you forget Ive met you, and personally I don\'t think you are capable of understanding the level of mathematics involved. I know you are probably going to get this post removed by the mods, but I am only saying what I feel.
As for the bet....how about you name a price and I will match it....make it 5 figures instead??? Talk isn\'t cheap....I can back it up!
Looks good there Ross! As for the comments about the roll cage and chassis being/or not being well designed - those sort of comments should be explained for us mere mortals. Why (in laymans/basics technical speak) is this not a good design? Just because it isn\'t designed the same way as say Safety Devices design theirs does it mean that Ross is wrong? I\'m not actually siding with anyone here, just interested in what needs to be taken into account when designing a cage and chassis bracing?
Personally think this thread is getting a little unpleasant....I don\'t agree with attempted public humiliation.....AtomicRex if you\'ve got grievences against Ross its probably better to take them up with him in person than use the forum in this way. I don\'t know Ross (other than seen him at RS3) but I think he is generally good for the Rotary scene and shouldn\'t be slurred publically in this way.
QuoteAtom. why an earth did you put one that goes up the centre of the screen? Having followed motorsport for many years I have never seen a bar like this.
just because you havent seen it yet, does not mean it\'s inferior.
perhaps you just haven\'t read the right book yet! This cage is ahead of it\'s time! it\'s the one i would rather have!
QuoteAtom. Looking at the differences between your cage and mine, bearing in mind mine has been designed by a professional company and is FIA rated, yours is overly complicated....which leads me to believe that although you\'ve bought those books, they certainly weren\'t applied! For one Ross you forget Ive met you, and personally I don\'t think you are capable of understanding the level of mathematics involved.
Whats with the insults? and my cage is better than yours crap,
This is a brilliant thread and many people are watching it with interest, and i can see this thread ending up being closed, and we all lose out.! (and that\'s happened before) so could we think about whats best for the club please Atom. and stop cluttering up the thread with digs and insults, spoiling it for everyone else.
QuoteAdrian, Personally think this thread is getting a little unpleasant....I don\'t agree with attempted public humiliation.....AtomicRex if you\'ve got grievences against Ross its probably better to take them up with him in person than use the forum in this way. I don\'t know Ross (other than seen him at RS3) but I think he is generally good for the Rotary scene and shouldn\'t be slurred publically in this way.
Agree with Adrian
Bob
As I said, if critiscisms are to be made, let them be on a purely technical basis (with a full explaination as to why) I think that would benefit us all as we could learn from two views of people who are actually involved in building competetive cars. Keep the personal stuff out of the thread eh? Any issues that you may or may not have with Ross personally are best sorted out off the forum.
The mods really don\'t want to have to edit and/or close another thread - but we will if we have to. AtomicRex, if you respond please keep your slurs/grievances out of here. Ross has been good enough to share his work with the forum and it is of interest to many here, he doesn\'t deserve AtomicRex\'s negative comments.
Kevin
Atomicrex, you sound like a real know it all idiot quite frankly. If you had Ross put in a cage for you that you thought wasnt ok because you did an engineering degree, then why didnt you make that compaint, why did you have him do the work? More fool you pal.
Keep up the good work Ross, there are always internet warriors that know best, just ignore them.
So now you own a \'real race designed car\' well done, the medals in the post.
YEAH WELL EVERYONE\'S WRONG!! I\'m going old skool with my cage (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/JAMAICA-VICTORIAN-STYLE-OPEN-TOP-PARROT-CAGE-B-NEW_W0QQitemZ200001489103QQihZ010QQcategoryZ46289QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).
You guys make me laugh :rollin
Ross - I\'m really impressed with the work you\'re putting into your car and especially for sharing this with us on MRC. Whilst I appreciate that it may not have been designed using the finest F1 mechanics and developed from the ground up from a carbon-fibre monocoque chasis, it certainly is a fine piece of engineering which ever way you cut the mustard.
I know you\'re knew here Atom, but this isn\'t the place to wash your dirty laundry. There\'s a community that\'s been built up over many years and it\'s not usually adviseable to wade in the way you have if you want to make any friends. It would also be nice to see some pics of the build up of your car as well if you have any?
Anyway, it\'s always good to see some friendly rivalry as ultimately this drives the rotary scene forwards here in the UK - which is why we\'re all in this club. I look forward to seeing both cars in action.
H
Atom sent me a very reasonable email which was more than fair.
He has complaints regarding Ross\'s work and I have advised him to present them in a more appropriate manner than he has done, which quite frankly irritated me enormously when reading his posts.
Cheers, Ant.
I have spoken with both Ross and John ( Atomic Rex) today after receiving complaints about the personal nature of some of the posts on this thread.
As many of you know they are both embroiled in legal action toward each other so I have asked both to stay off of each others threads from now on as our members do not wish for the type of bitching we have all witnessed on this thread and both have agreed, Ross however would like it pointed out that he has already stayed away from John\'s threads and will continue to do so.
When an outcome of their problems is reached both will be allowed one post on a stand alone thread.
Can\'t say fairer than that.....
Clive,
you should be Prime Minister..............
Anyway, back to the car...
Yeah its now the fastest car in exeter, beating a horse drawn cart to the 1/4 mile by a massive 0.5 seconds. I believe Ross will be pulling his caravan with it up to TOTB :D
Surely the b*llsh*t on this thread has gone off on enough of a tangent to warrant removing the relevent posts? Its ruined what was otherwise a very interesting thread. End of the day its an FD being made for the track which is enough to make me want to hear more.
Quote from: royalSurely the b*llsh*t on this thread has gone off on enough of a tangent to warrant removing the relevent posts? Its ruined what was otherwise a very interesting thread.
Amen, remove the ****e plse!
Quote from: royalSurely the b*llsh*t on this thread has gone off on enough of a tangent to warrant removing the relevent posts? Its ruined what was otherwise a very interesting thread. End of the day its an FD being made for the track which is enough to make me want to hear more.
Yes that is what I would like! It puts me off making more updates on the project. Can a mod please clear it up.
Dont know the circumstances but have to say atomic there are ways to deal with issues you have with people and their work. It is a massive pet hate of mine when 1 unhappy customer feels trawling their name through the **** is the only way to get anywhere! I have to say from experience the only thing it does ios make the person you are unhappy with less willing to do anything! I am around 500 miles from ross and he has been more than helpful on several occasions. Have to say the way you are handling yourself is out of order for a grown up! And just to put my tupensworth in i hope ross kicks your ass round the circut and enjoys spending your money!
not entirely sure that\'s going to help dude...
So anyway...
Ross, what colour seats you gonna have? They gonna coordinate with the cage? Thought about what stereo you gonna have in there?? Gonna have to be loud...
not entirely sure that\'s going to help dude...
So anyway...
Ross, what colour seats you gonna have? They gonna coordinate with the cage? Thought about what stereo you gonna have in there?? Gonna have to be loud...
Ross,
The car looks great, and it\'s got my favorite wide arch bodykit :InLove ! Any idea how much weight you have managed to remove from the car, or does the weight of the cage add back in what you have removed?
Hope a Mod can clean up this thread and get it back on positive and constructive nature. Let us know when and where it will be running, would love to see it in action. :Thumbs-up
Martin
I\'ll tidy up this thread later tonight provided there is no major objection from those that have posted - if any member has a problem with this please PM me.
Thanks
Kevin
Quote from: DRAGONYes that is what I would like! It puts me off making more updates on the project. Can a mod please clear it up.
Ross,please don\'t be put off from posting up further updates,the vast majority of us like to read and see what the rotary community is upto,look forward to seeing the car on track......:Thumbs-up
James
From what I have seen of Dragon on this site I can only say they are very innovative and have some fantastic products/cars. Reading there posts gives you lots of idea\'s plus they seem to be quite active on this forum which is unusual and good!
I dont think it is fair when clients who have had "disagreements" with garages just post non-constructive crap when really if they have a problem they should speak direct instead of hiding behind a keyboard.
To be honest I think AtomicRex lost the argument when he posted:
Quote from: AtomicRexNo I did 2 years of a Mech Eng Degree before changing to Maths with Astrophysics.
I own a structural engineering business and did a mechanical engineering degree as abit of a side line, the only thing I can say is that it\'s a little bit of everything and a whole load of nothing and definately no where near good enough to start basing an argument about paths of structural loading in cross members. Especially seeing though you didnt even finish the course????
I for one am really interested to see how ross\'s circuit car turns out, and hope he continues to post here with updates.
I only have one complaint about Dragon.... There too damn far away!!!! :)
Right despite saying I wouldn\'t post on Ross\' posts I will defend myself!
This is going to court where I am asking for a large sum of money back having paid out a fortune, and then having to spend a further fortune getting the redone having trailered it away from Ross.
I haven\'t hidden behind the keyboard as you\'ve suggested...I have spoken to Ross on numerous occasions and frankly got frustrated by Ross\' unwillingness to admit that he didn\'t understand many aspects of putting together a proper track/race car!
I don\'t think that I have lost the argument, as it is good to challenge the concepts rather than accept it on face value just because it looks good! I wasn\'t using this post to slag Ross of in any way, merely giving an objective point. A Minardi looks good in the flesh but crap out on a circuit!!!! You are right I didn\'t finish the degree in Mech Eng....But I did swap to specialise in applied mathematics and finished that degree!
Maybe as Clive has already stated that we are going to go to court, you should lay off me! Once the facts are out, then maybe you might sit up and realise what issues have gone on! God if I had read about the problems I now know about I wouldn\'t have ever gone near him, and saved myself an awful lot of money!!!
Quoteatom Right despite saying I wouldn\'t post on Ross\' posts I will
Sad for all the guys really interested in this thread, that you go back on your word, but not surprised, but i\'m not interested in your view or problems at all!i\'m interested in this fantastic Dragon car.
no doubt this brilliant thread will now be closed, and we all lose out again!
Quote from: ro284Sad for all the guys really interested in this thread, that you go back on your word, but not surprised, but i\'m not interested in your view or problems at all!i\'m interested in this fantastic Dragon car.
no doubt this brilliant thread will now be closed, and we all lose out again!
I think the bit you missed out was I WILL DEFEND MYSELF!
God this is a witch hunt!
Do you all sit and say how bad Watchdog is???
But youve brought this up again, and so that means you are helping get the post stopped....Im happy for this post and ro\'s last post to be removed if this stops the post from being locked!
Right they are gone. No more please. As you have said you will both have your say on the matter and it is being sorted through the proper channels.
QuoteI think the bit you missed out was I WILL DEFEND MYSELF!
This is a car club, and certainley not the place to, as you put it. defend your self, you have done yourself no favours on here with all the cheap shots,creating nagative puplicity it.s not a witch hunt by anybody, its the car
we are intersted in, not you
so...tempted to... voice.. opinion.
must....keep...topic on....track!
Gah!
Ross are any of the structural strengthening mods going to appear on your stock list some time in the future if they work out? Or maybe bolt-in versions of the things you are currently welding in? I\'ve always thought the bar that the battery sits on is too flimsy to do anything useful but the whole chassis might benefit from a little more strength in that place...
Dandan correct me if im wrong but i dont think that area needs the extra strength. Only the steering rack which mounts to the subframe. I\'d be interested in a brace that stops the bulk head from moving forward from the suspension turrets.
Quote from: Andy_kI\'d be interested in a brace that stops the bulk head from moving forward from the suspension turrets.
You probably want something like this, though you don\'t see to many floating around for sale!
Thats perfect!
Where can i get one from? and how much?
All I know is they are made by Auto Exe. I dont anywhere in the UK that you can buy one, but maybe one of the vendors has a contact in Japan for them.
Bet they aint cheap though!! :rolleyes:
As this is Ross\'s thread can you get them or make them?
Sorry to hi-jack.
Andy K, We will have a 3 way strut-brace for retail sales very soon.
Latest Pic of the fuel tank finally installed, its been difficult to get everything to fit, but know it is finally bolted in so I can start routing out the fuel lines etc. The fuel system is pretty special. Makes the drag car set-up look quite archaic! I have tried to keep it as simple as possible, whilst still retaining enough cc\'s for the engine.
I would love to put this much time into Drag car, but struggling to find enough time to finish this one!
Dragon,
Fuel tank behind my back,:2eek whoosh!! , boooom and fireball !!
Army of Scrutineers will come to you cos I\'ve done the same as your tank and advised me to make a safe box to enclosed the fuel tank/fuel pumps or sheet of ally to cover front of the roll cage as act like the firewall between yourself and fuel tank.
Silly question:- have you got MSA\'s blue book?.
Play it safe! and keep up with good work!.
Regards
Ian
Looks impressive the lenghts you are going to Ross but im afraid on this one i have to agree with Ian... your going to have fun when it comes to scrutineering.. i know they were strict with us in the cossie days 3-4 years ago and im sure they have strictened up even more since then..as Ian says always worth refering to the MSA book if you are going to be using it for serious track/ comp use
Cheers
Gord
The car is not designed specifically for competition use. The original idea, was just to build something for myself. However there are many race and track cars that use internal fuel cells without firewalls. And if I do want to compete with this car, it would be possible to create a firewall, between the cockpit and the cell.
Ross
Would\'nt the pick ups be better lower down/ or on the bottom of the tank, also in case of a impact would the tank crack along the welds?
It may be worth building another one and testing it in an impact??
Also change your signature
J
The pick-ups are at the lowest point, they are restricted by the the chassis. Although internally they go to the base of the tank.
The tank is a complex shape, so its not really economical to build another one and test it to destruction!
Can a mod tidy up the duplicate posts please.
Dont keep hitting submit then!
so whens it all gonna be finished? and when and where are we gona see it in action?
Quote from: DRAGONCan a mod tidy up the duplicate posts please.
Job done!:Thumbs-up
It looks fantastic, gives me more motivation to get mine 7 all finished :D
I remember working on this car last christmas, and now its creapt up on me again, but we\'ve cleared a customer back log, so the circuit car is back on the ramp and the work can carry on.
Part of the problem is that I keep changing the plans, so bits are always evolving.
Its looking good :)
So are you planning on doing to it in the new year?
Is it my imagination or is there a bar going up the centre of the front windscreen?
- it\'s not my imagination, just seen the other pictures earlier in the thread. How do you see out the back?! It\'s a very, er... extravagant cage you\'ve got there.
See out the back??? The only reason I will need to look out the back is to watch the skylines trying to keep up.
Extravagant cage? Yeah heard that one before, getting boring now.
I\'m not particularly interested in justifying it. I could post up many pictures of more extravagant cages, in world rally cars, touring cars and generally most serious race cars. The reason you dont see these cages all the time, is because the limiting factor is the generally the customers budget. They are very time consuming to design and build, different tube thickness, dia, location, gussets, shear plates etc.
Charming:xconfused
Suit yourself.
after just writing my new rex off that car has just given me a big smile on my face, shows what can be done by people who know there stuff & if you have time and money.
definatly a post that makes you want to jump right back into it
Thanks Roy. Love your avatar by the way.
Roy\'s avatar is a photo of my car at Silverstone, photoshopped black.;)
Quote from: DRAGONSee out the back??? The only reason I will need to look out the back is to watch the skylines trying to keep up.
Extravagant cage? Yeah heard that one before, getting boring now.
I\'m not particularly interested in justifying it. I could post up many pictures of more extravagant cages, in world rally cars, touring cars and generally most serious race cars. The reason you dont see these cages all the time, is because the limiting factor is the generally the customers budget. They are very time consuming to design and build, different tube thickness, dia, location, gussets, shear plates etc.
I have tested\\setup\\engineered many race cars over the years.Some cars give you an immediate feeling of being safe when you see it for the first time,some you diont even want to get in.
Your car Ross, just gives me the gut feeling of being SAFE....:D
You can NEVER over engineer a safety device.I have stuck many a car in the armco at quite a rate of knots,the upsetting thing is you can watch a sissy rollcage fold under the impact........this in turn hurts you even more as the safety shell shifts around and takes you with it...
The 17" alloys that i want to fit are only 7.1Kgs! However they hit the brakes so I am gonna have the mountings and discs machined down by 4mm, this will stilll retain the working tolerances to allow for the heat expansion.
Quote from: TonyCCharming:xconfused
Suit yourself.
Are you suprised. :Hammer
Quote from: TonyCRoy\'s avatar is a photo of my car at Silverstone, photoshopped black.;)
without the white bits 2 ;) !
thats one awsome picture mate, its my desktop, phone wallpaper everything !
(sorry to go off topic)
Not me driving sadly, that was it\'s time as a drift car earlier in the year before I bought it to re-prepare for circuit racing.
I like to practice oversteer in normal saloons (with V8s\') :chat
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Hmmm, but it\'s a Rover! :2Rolleyes
sometimes car have surprises!
I mean how many people do you tell that your car is a 1.3?
Indeedy, it\'s only a Rover (Well MG actually) that came from the factory with a 4.6 Ford V8, LSD, converted to RWD, AP racing brakes, alloy suspension arms, custom Bilstein dampers, and makes me smile every time I slide to work in it.
Quote from: TonyCIndeedy, it\'s only a Rover (Well MG actually) that came from the factory with a 4.6 Ford V8, LSD, converted to RWD, AP racing brakes, alloy suspension arms, custom Bilstein dampers, and makes me smile every time I slide to work in it.
So its a few different parts from a few different cars all put into one!
Quote from: MimsSo its a few different parts from a few different cars all put into one!
And what is your car??? Is your car standard?
Why turn your nose up and someones talent.....most cars these days are basterdised parts-bin machines....The main thing is that Tony can get this \'its only a rover\' drifting round corners......and that demands respect :god
Quote from: MimsSo its a few different parts from a few different cars all put into one!
and whats a modified Rex then?
jeez give the ****er a break, he can drive and drift what he likes.
The hardest part is keeping the bleeding tartan rug over my knees whilst driving.
And the pipe smoke makes it difficult to see where I\'m going.
:Santa
try not to spill the flask! that horliks is a bugger to get out of the tartan rug
It\'s alright, the cat will sort out any spills.
I think the thread has go a bit off topic - that what being in the office since 6:00am does to you:Yawn Not forgetting working on the car \'till almost 10:00pm last night.
What is the main topic???;)
Mods: time to remove the chaff from Ross\' thread plse :god
Quote from: Oedipus Rexand whats a modified Rex then?
jeez give the ****er a break, he can drive and drift what he likes.
Ease up boys, I don\'t think he was being critical. I think that was more of a fun happy comment than anything.
Anyway, Ross the car looks really special.
What are you doing about drivetrain for all this little power ??
Quote from: AtomicRexWhat is the main topic???;)
Hilarious John, why read this thread if your not interested. If your going to bother to make a post, why not make it constructive? I am happy to discuss anything technical in this thread.
Ross I was going to say something really hilarious....but to be honest last time I did that my car got vandalised!
Oh and once again there is no h in Jon!
Still Ive moved on....all I want to do is race my car
Quote from: strange_days_ukEase up boys, I don\'t think he was being critical. I think that was more of a fun happy comment than anything.
Anyway, Ross the car looks really special.
What are you doing about drivetrain for all this little power ??
fair enough, just felt sorry for the guy with everyone attacking his handywork.
That av of yours is ****ing ace by the way.
Quote from: strange_days_ukEase up boys, I don\'t think he was being critical. I think that was more of a fun happy comment than anything.
Anyway, Ross the car looks really special.
What are you doing about drivetrain for all this little power ??
Thanks. Drivetrain, I\'ve gone for a Tilton Triple plate clutch, HKS Dog Box and Mazdaspeed 2 way diff, carbon Fibre Prop, all braced etc.
Quote from: DRAGONThanks. Drivetrain, I\'ve gone for a Tilton Triple plate clutch, HKS Dog Box and Mazdaspeed 2 way diff, carbon Fibre Prop, all braced etc.
£££££ :eek: seriously heavy duty very nice work.
Thanks for the comment Oedipus, I likes me silly pictures..
sorry if I\'m being thick but I\'ve not seen anything on suspension set up, being a circuit car I\'m intrigued to know what your going for, how low you are gonna let it drop and how firm you plan to set it up.
Looking very cool Ross!
I read that you\'ve removed the twin oil coolers, which made me think of some great result\'s with brake ducting when I had my Exige... A guy there opened the two front vents (like on the RX for the oil coolers(, and ducted the vents to the inside of the disc\'s. Now the bit he had done differently was the bells he had made up were closed to the out side so the vented air from the front had no choice but to go through the veins in the discs.
It worked really well, he\'d stay out until he ran out of petrol (pretty much an hour or so solid) and could use EBC Greenstuff pads (which normally dis-integrated after a 20 minute track session) as the temps never got that high! May be worth a look. But I guess you\'ve already thought along these lines ;)
I did have some brake ducts made up, but have ditched them in favour of something similar to what you are talking about. The plan at the moment is to just get the car running, and then adjust cooling issues that arise from there.
I have just fitted the rear lights. I chose to not use the standard lights, but to go for some all in one units and wire them into the standard loom. They weigh less than the factory ones, and also I have mounted them lower for better weight distribution :)
We have also fibreglassed in the factory light holes on the RE light cover, I would have preferred to have smoothed it over, but time is a limiting factor.
Quote from: DRAGONI did have some brake ducts made up, but have ditched them in favour of something similar to what you are talking about. The plan at the moment is to just get the car running, and then adjust cooling issues that arise from there.
I have just fitted the rear lights. I chose to not use the standard lights, but to go for some all in one units and wire them into the standard loom. They weigh less than the factory ones, and also I have mounted them lower for better weight distribution :)
We have also fibreglassed in the factory light holes on the RE light cover, I would have preferred to have smoothed it over, but time is a limiting factor.
Hi Ross,
Are those lights at road legal height and position? Or is this car not going to be road legal?
Regards
Carl
Looks mean! I see the lights sit in the Amemiya reversing light holes, ingenious weight saving I must say!
What tires are those, can\'t say I recognise that tread pattern?!
I havent checked if they are high enough. If they are too low I can just move them up. Its not like I have to ESVA the car or anything.
The car will be road legal.
The tyres are Falken, although I will probably be using the toyos this year.
i must say if i get my car ready this time round for any events defo going for dunlops,super sticky rubber.... can\'t rember the name/model of there road legal cut slick but awsome peice(s) kit
Dunlop D01J or D02J, also Yokohama A032R and A048R, Toyo R888 - all these are soft compound lightley treaded tyres.
Usually available in a variety of compounds. All of them will wear very quickly. Don\'t expect much more than a couple of thousand miles of road use. I use to wear a set of A048R\'s out in a single race season - or less than 400 miles.
Work better than a normal road tyre in damp conditions if you have got the tyres warm and the presures set correctly. Aquaplane very easily when the water is heavy/puddled due to the lack of drainage.
Hopeless in winter as the rubber does not get warm and soft enough to work.
All these tyres usually work better with an increase in static negative camber on the wheels. If the outside tyre edge is going blue it means they are being overheated and more static negative camber is needed.
and there you go. It was the D02J i belive i was using pricey compared to the yoko\'s and toyo\'s but very very good indeed. Its funny how some people seem to spend loads of money on coilovers and roll bars, bushes etc but then get Cheap (i.e. not quailty) tyres and never really get the full effect of the cars potential. A huge difference can be made even in stock configuration with good tyres and i don\'t nessessarily mean a cut slick types
I found the price difference between the Dunlop\'s and Yoko\'s wasn\'t worth while. I could run the same lap times on the A048R\'s as the Dunlops. And Dunlops were slightly trickier in the wet.
i must say that i havn\'t used the yoko\'s, maybe i\'ll give them ago. i found the dunlops better than the R888 tho had more grip to get the power down out of corners.
Just made some supports for the RE light cover, the mountings are not there as I have removed the stock lights, also with the downforce on it, the extra bracing will be necessary.
Also had to push it of the ramp outside to cut the holes in the front and rear wings. pics soon. Lots of Fibreglass dust.
Just ordered the latest Cartech battery cut-off, which is a nice bit of kit, designed and now produced by the guy who used own Armteck, bought out by Omex.
I run the Toyo 888s on my daily driver all through winter, couldn\'t recommend them enough.
Ross, I know you are feeling sensitive about the cage construction but I want to offer some constructive advice, based on several years of succesful competition. I really think you should consider ditching the central front support on the cage. It won\'t be offering a great deal of extra support when the cage as a whole is taken into account and it will be a real pain in the ass when driving on track. It will be akward and annoying when sighting apex\'s and lines through corners.
Before others jump in, I\'m not being negative - I\'m offering seasoned racer advice; and \'m enjoying the info you put in here and find it genuinely interesting.
What wheel are those? I like that design. They look very simialr to the Compomotive MO\'s that I tend to always fit to my cars. In black as well!
I am more than happy to take on advice.
The central screen bar is made from a much thinner walled tubing, like some of the other bars in the cage that are only there for stiffness. Therefore the weight disadvantage is certainly out weighed by the stiffining benefits. Also this bar is not just there on its own, it starts on the tunnel and goes straight over and links to the rear suspension turrets.
The visability is something I cant really comment on until driving the car, it may not be as bad as you think. However if it is a problem, I will remove it, and may have to redesign that part of the cage.
The wheels are Rotas, we can supply them. They are perfect for big brakes. The actual wheels and tyres in the pics are for-sale because I have some Real Racing R2s going on.
its all looking pretty damn good so far...
P.s. Ross Exedy Mazdaspeed Clutch you sent out to me a while back all sorted and fitted.... wonderful peice of kit
same wheels as i have :Giggle
I reckon the bar will drive you bonkers after a few laps - but that might just be me. I tend to plan my lap and car position quite a few corners in advance so like a nice clear view into the distance.
Nice wheels but very expensive new. Compo\'s are about a quarter of the price and will be as light/strong. They build them to your exact offset/rim specs as well. Might be worth considering if you are doing a wheel swap.
Just about to install transmission etc. Quick pic from the rear of the engine first.
The external wastegate is one worry that I have from a noise point of view, but I think I\'ll get the car running first and address that issue later. It will be difficult to route back into the exhaust because with the Blitz kit the WG vent comes through the sunframe.
Mmmm look at all those shiny fixings! Any spare? ;)
looking great.
Looks like another cover car for dragon?
Im amazed that after spending your days working on other peoples cars you can be bothered to do your own!
Been finalising the wiring and also installing the battery Cut off, really nice bit of kit form Cartek. Also making up battery mounts etc.
Is that battery the same as what you would use in the relocation kit? I need to move my battery to where the rear bins were, or preferably behind the passenger seat if I can get a small enough one. Then I\'d need a shiny ali case and mounting bracket - could you sort out something along those lines?
Quote from: Initial-D... Then I\'d need a shiny ali case and mounting bracket -
Ideally you want to box the battery in something that is non conductive. So that if the battey or terminal cable does manage to break free it won\'t hit the case the battery is in and generate a circuit. That is why the battery boxes you can buy for race cars are fibreglass or similar.
Why do you need to relocate the battery?
Surely unless you are going to strip the car down to completely minimise weight then there is very little need to put it into the cabin.
Why not save on money for the conversion....just spend the money on a redtop battery. You can still keep it under the bonnet...but not need all of the extra wiring..which as it is a larger gauge will weigh a fair bit!....plus its awkward to get through the bulk head!
But as Tony says dont put the battery in a metal case...Tweeks do a simple grp case
Thats a really good point about the cable weight hahaa!!
I am stripping the car down though lol! Having it seam welded and also putting in a full point cage too, I was moving the battery for weight distribution and to free it up from the under bonnet temps.
I\'ll check out tweeks, hopefully they do a really small case for a tiny red top! Do you know what is the min spec I can use?
Sory for the thread hijack Ross!
I\'m going to see my car on tuesday...so will let you know the model number I use.
I put my battery down in the passenger foot well, most of the electrics are up there anyway, its in a good position for weight...between the axels...so meets that criteria.
What are you doing for a wiring loom?? I\'m in the process of designing a new one, it will incorporate the electrical cut off, the standard loom, and the Apexi Engine loom. It will be optimised for both weight and ease of fault finding.
Which ECU are you running?
Ben, I would definetly recommend relocationg the battery, as you have said the weight distribution and eng bay airflow benefits would be worth the cost. Also if you know what you doing the cable doesnt need to be any longer, so weight isnt an issue.
In reference to the battery box, then yes a non-conductive material would be optimum. Although for my car, this simple cage is more suitable.
Ahh footwell idea sounds really good, especially since you would\'nt need tons of extra cable to run through. I\'m going to wire in a cut-off switch between the battery too. and have that up by the dash.
I\'ve already stripped back the existing loom so I have what I need to run with the Apexi. Although I haven\'t gone quite as far as you Ross! I\'m still in two minds about keeping the ABS - how much weight will I lose and is it worth it? The air con is going though thats for sure!
Just finished fitting the rose joints, and some other suspension bits. So car will be rolling again soon. Sold the old wheels so it will be rolling around on pimp my ride chrome 19s for a while! Until our new tyres arrive.
Dragon, when are you hoping to race it for the first time? would like to see that one go.
cheers Bob
are we ever going to see this car do battle???
Its a year behind schedule at the moment, but I\'ve got really intop the Drag car thing at the moment, so the poor Circuit car is suffering.
what its like to hav all these projects to look forward to good luck ! and will look forward to seeing some impressive times then ???
Hey ross, we spoke up at knockhill, have you got any pics to update the thread?
Dont think I can post pics :( But I do have some. Have you?
Quote from: DRAGON;500985Dont think I can post pics :( But I do have some. Have you?
//www.tinypic.com ;) Havent seen this since i was over with u last.. Wud love to see an update!
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Is that just a radiator and no intercooler ?
Looks hardcore !!!!!
No intercooler and just methanol right?
Quote from: BenLewisMav;501062No intercooler and just methanol right?
No intercooler and H2o injection:wiggle
Looks like an armoured car! lol.
Just the 1 oil cooler?
looks like something mad max would drive :Viking
yeah just one oil cooler. Ive tried a lot of differnt things with this car. And untill we finish the testing I cant comment for sure whetehr they\'ll work.
The changes to the drag car were lots of over the years, So im sure this one will change loads before we reach a final point.
WI pre turbo nicce, get rid of intercooler save weight, and the WI tank will last as it only needs to do a few laps for time attack
With that wi nozzle placed there its gonna chip that compressor ! needs to be moved and calculated
S
I\'ve heard people suggest that, but I\'ve never seen the eivdence to support it - altho u can usually find evidence for most things if u want to. I know some serious hp guys swear by pre-compressor injection tho.
Do you have any data/info you can point us at Scott? I\'m sure theres stuff on rx7club or ausrotary about it.
at 100,000 rpm Im sure a water droplet is going to do damage to a blade. It will also potentially cause an imbalance in the rotation.
Also it is going to hamper the air flow through the intercooler.
Not trying to teach you how to suck eggs but;
http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/a40/Where-Do-I-Position-My-Water-Methanol-Injection-Nozzles/article_info.html
I\'m still trying to decide where to put my nozzles and found it an interesting read.
Sure Rich.
The problem is the atomisation of the droplet. If you spray it from where Ross is the droplets clump together. the larger sized droplet causes the impellor to chip and errode.
You need very fine atmoisation and the ratio needs to be finely worked out.
I have done this in tha past with great success. To name one, high compression rotors running high boost.
S
p.s its not going to unballance anything if done correctly and is not going to do anything to his intercooler becasue he dont have one.
With the meth he will gain loads by having extra ignition advance etc
Quote from: AtomicRex;504155at 100,000 rpm Im sure a water droplet is going to do damage to a blade. It will also potentially cause an imbalance in the rotation.
Also it is going to hamper the air flow through the intercooler.
Jon if you actually had a clue what you were talking about I would be prepared to have a discussion with you. But as you just regurgitate what out dated or biased information youve heard I have no interest in responding to you.
Quote from: gillard28;504160Sure Rich.
The problem is the atomisation of the droplet. If you spray it from where Ross is the droplets clump together. the larger sized droplet causes the impellor to chip and errode.
You need very fine atmoisation and the ratio needs to be finely worked out.
I have done this in tha past with great success. To name one, high compression rotors running high boost.
S
p.s its not going to unballance anything if done correctly and is not going to do anything to his intercooler becasue he dont have one.
With the meth he will gain loads by having extra ignition advance etc
Dear oh dear my efforts are really underestimated. But dont underestimate holding together an engine on PUMP FUEL at 1.9 BAR with 70 degree + intake temps, with a 1000 HP turbo.
PS, I believe you are mistaken as to where I am spraying it, I think you are confusing a push fitting that allows intake removal for a jet.
What happened to your wee beastie yesterday Ross ??
Quote from: DRAGON;504487PS, I believe you are mistaken as to where I am spraying it, I think you are confusing a push fitting that allows intake removal for a jet.
Are you spraying it onto the nut on the compressor Ross, or completely away eg opposite direction away from the turbo inlet and letting the pressure differential caused by the turbo to suck the water mist in?
Dont worry if you cant devulge all your secrets on here, I understandy :Thumbs-up
Rice Racing in Oz has done pre turbo WI many times with good results, never seen any broken blade eveidence before. location and direction of the jet is key
What ever really. I was just trying to help you out but you seem to know the lot. Best of luck.
When I was looking at the car i thought that it the water metanaol was getting sprayed into the plenium . Guess the debate is if the water/methanol injection is going in preturbo or not. Wouldent have thought so but i may be wrong.
Id be very warey of water droplets going into the turbo. Ive seen at first hand the damage a blade of sand strikeing the titanium blades on jet engine can cause and would have thought the effects would be similar..
Quote from: DRAGON;504485Jon if you actually had a clue what you were talking about I would be prepared to have a discussion with you. But as you just regurgitate what out dated or biased information youve heard I have no interest in responding to you.
...responded Ross. :Giggle
Ross - looks very interesting, no I/C seems to be a very brave move but if it works and the engine holds together then it\'s great. Clearly good to use this in appropriate applications though.
Would I be right in guessing that, for longer runs then Time Attack, an I/C would be needed or are you able to do 10+ laps without giving the car a breather?
Quote from: iaint;504755Ross - looks very interesting, no I/C seems to be a very brave move but if it works and the engine holds together then it\'s great. Clearly good to use this in appropriate applications though.
He\'s not the first person to try that though. Tims been running his FB without an intercooler for ages.
Quote from: yogibear;504724Guess the debate is if the water/methanol injection is going in preturbo or not. Wouldent have thought so but i may be wrong.
Id be very warey of water droplets going into the turbo. Ive seen at first hand the damage a blade of sand strikeing the titanium blades on jet engine can cause and would have thought the effects would be similar..
Yes it is a the debate on pre turbo WI,
Just a thought to mull over in terms of water when a jet plane is travelling fast through rain, does damage occurs to compressor blades or does it occur over time?, a question to you aviation engineer guys I know a few are on this forum
I will have to look into when WI was used in WWII fighter planes did they spray directly into the supercharger/turbo or post charger
Quote from: gillard28;504516What ever really. I was just trying to help you out but you seem to know the lot. Best of luck.
Dont be so sensitive. I just told you that you are mistaken as to where I have the jet. And I far form know the lot. If you\'ve got any advice or suggestions then im more than happy to take them on board.
Blimey, all a bit warm here...
Well, I think it\'s cool to be trying something a little different to what I\'ve expected. If it works, then WINNER!! I\'m certainly keen to hear the results, and see what the long term effect is on the components.
I\'m a big fan of different things being tried and tested - in Practical Performance Car mag, the cover car has a turbo in place of the rear silencer... and it works fine apparently. (athough I love their Rolls Royce track day car with the truck turbo. Or the SD1 Rover with the 27 litre tank engine).
I\'m not suggesting that Ross hasn\'t considered and thought about what he\'s doing, and I\'d like to think that we\'ll see the results of these ideas shared about... After all, if it wasn\'t for people thinking out of the box, dear old Felix might never have come up with our fave power plant!! And god bless Mazda for sticking with it!!
Now a Datsun 240Z with a naturally aspirated Bridgeported 20B would peak my interest....
Quote from: Archbish;504896Blimey, all a bit warm here...
Now a Datsun 240Z with a naturally aspirated Bridgeported 20B would peak my interest....
but you can\'t have a 240z without a straight 6!
anyhoo, back to the topic:
I think this has been asked, but how long can you run a car at high revs using WI (well ok Methanol) instead of an IC or is it down to the reserves of Methanol you carry on board?
Quote from: dopeygimp;504899but you can\'t have a 240z without a straight 6!
Can too!! *grin* Hell, they\'ve got a westie in the same mag with a VAG 1.9 tdi lump!!
Quote from: Archbish;504907Can too!! *grin* Hell, they\'ve got a westie in the same mag with a VAG 1.9 tdi lump!!
a small white terrier with a 1.9l diesel installed??? :eek surely the RSPCA should be involved
Quote from: sadgoth;504908a small white terrier with a 1.9l diesel installed??? :eek surely the RSPCA should be involved
Maybe, but you wanna see the rascal go ferreting!!! Need a bigger pooper scooper tho... *grin*
PPC is one of the best mags out there :)
Also, congratulations Bish on a well exectuted thread hijack. :yes
Quote from: Brett;504923Also, congratulations Bish on a well exectuted thread hijack. :yes
Thanks very much. Was worried I was a bit rusty, but it seems to have worked.... *grin* (so would it be cool if a certain 1st gen project was to crop up in PPC...??)
Quote from: Archbish;504926Thanks very much. Was worried I was a bit rusty, but it seems to have worked.... *grin* (so would it be cool if a certain 1st gen project was to crop up in PPC...??)
More or less mandatory I would have thought. :chat