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General => General Technical => Topic started by: oilman on November 24, 2004, 02:09:04 PM

Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: oilman on November 24, 2004, 02:09:04 PM
Out of interest and to see whether I can save Members some money, a list of oils used would be very helpful.

So, what oil do you use?

Brand and grade would be helpful.

My RX8 - Silkolene/Fuchs Titan XTR 5w-30 Semi-synthetic

Cheers
Simon
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: fro on November 24, 2004, 02:18:21 PM
RX7 FD - Castrol GTX 10W40 mineral :(
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Fish on November 24, 2004, 04:14:23 PM
Castol will be the main choice of people, as the rotary engine is VERY fussy about what it drinks. ;)

The other choice is Royal Purple.

I use Castrol GTX.

Fish

PS. Are you Opie Oils?
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: oilman on November 24, 2004, 04:22:02 PM
That\'s me.

//www.opieoils.co.uk/lubricants.htm

Cheers
Simon
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Donato on November 24, 2004, 04:50:22 PM
Halfrauds mineral oil, or castrol gtx. Whatever is handy...
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: iaint on November 24, 2004, 05:25:48 PM
76 Racing 10/40

...and top up with castrol 10/40 when I\'m out of that (it\'s not easy to get round here!)

Iain
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: MikeLMR on November 24, 2004, 06:36:36 PM
Valvoline racing mineral oil, used to get it for £10 per 5 litres but the price has nearly doubled in the last year :reallymad

now using castrol gtx
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: 88GT-R on November 24, 2004, 06:58:39 PM
At the mo 10w60 fully synthetic. I am stripping and rebuilding the engine in April next year. I will post what effect the oil has had on the oil seals.

John
88 GT-R
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Andyp on November 24, 2004, 07:05:42 PM
I\'m using the shell helix 10-40w semi synth.. doesn\'t seem to burn as much with that stuff. I\'d love it if someone got some of that it\'s not heap :(
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Sean on November 26, 2004, 09:03:05 AM
Pip supplies me with 76 high performance 10/40

He say\'s it\'s the best stuff for them:confused:  I tend to trust him;)
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Martiny on November 26, 2004, 09:17:05 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Andyp
I\'m using the shell helix 10-40w semi synth.. doesn\'t seem to burn as much with that stuff. I\'d love it if someone got some of that it\'s not heap :(

Same here
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Andyp on November 26, 2004, 09:25:16 AM
*high 5*

where ya get yours from Martin? Just lump the cost at shell?

I wanna try and get a 25+ litre drum of it, much cheaper than buying these crappy 5 litre ones, if mr oilman can sort us out :D

common flutter those eyelids at the shell rep :D
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Andyp on November 26, 2004, 09:26:33 AM
ooh p.s. is yours in a greeny blue pot martin? I\'m sure they were yellow before?
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Andy_k on November 26, 2004, 07:52:18 PM
The Best place to get Shell oil is your local ATS center, there\'ll change it for you and your filter, for less than you could buy the oil yourself. Also as added bonus u get a free 1l top up, now thats what i call good value.
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Andyp on November 27, 2004, 03:05:53 PM
ooh that is good!

do they have low profile ramps there? Mine won\'t go on anything other than drive-on ones :(
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Andy_k on November 27, 2004, 07:22:38 PM
Thats down to the garage i think, im sure you can get it on a 2 poster with the right bits of wood.
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: zevans on November 30, 2004, 04:03:56 PM
In my 8 I\'ve used Mazda\'s own (anyone know who makes that really?) and been topping up with either more of Mazda\'s own or Esso 5w/30 semi-synth - because so far it\'s the only 5w-30 I\'ve seen anywhere excepting Carlube (and can\'t bring myself to put Carlube in...)

Smooth as a baby\'s bum and not consuming too much. I\'m about to change it again because it was last done just before a track day and I\'ve done 2.5 k since!
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: oilman on November 30, 2004, 04:13:06 PM
It\'s made by Total and it\'s Total Quartz 9000 5w-30.

I actually sell this stuff but use Fuchs/Silkolene XTR 5w-30 in my RX8. Done 12,000 miles now and she\'s running fine.

Cheers
Simon
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Fish on November 30, 2004, 07:13:38 PM
I forgot to say I use Redline Heavy duty for the diff and gearboxes of both my cars.

Fish
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: MillSpeed on December 01, 2004, 12:16:32 PM
Castrol GTX 10w40 in mine.
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: g11ary on December 02, 2004, 12:40:44 AM
cant believe, was in Asda yesterday and they have 4.5 ltrs £2.60
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: Den on December 02, 2004, 05:54:06 AM
I\'ve always used BP mineral to keep it topped up, 10-40 i think it is. As for oil changes i take to the local kwik fit, not sure what brand they use but i\'m nearly sure its 10-40 aswell.
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: zevans on December 02, 2004, 08:20:40 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by oilman
It\'s made by Total and it\'s Total Quartz 9000 5w-30.

I actually sell this stuff but use Fuchs/Silkolene XTR 5w-30 in my RX8. Done 12,000 miles now and she\'s running fine.

Cheers
Simon

Thanks...

What\'s the price differential between the two?
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: clive on December 02, 2004, 08:33:27 AM
Personally l have used 76 Racing 10/40 (mineral) for the last few years.

I have told our members for years now, stick to a 10/30 or 10/40
mineral oil, and have worked on the theory of, if it ain\'t broke don\'t fix it as these engines don\'t ever appear to suffer from any problems with their oil systems providing you change it regularly.
( 3,000 miles)

Getting into synthetic can get very complicated and at best can get confusing and at worst you could break the sealing on your tips leading to a reduction in compression.


Mineral keeps it simple ! and as Gary says it\'s even available in Supermarkets.

I have been surprised by Mazda\'s use of low  viscosity oil in the RX-8, indeed l have worked with one of their Main dealer\'s  with one of the \'\'non starting\'\' RX-8\'s, and by putting conventional \'Rotary\' grade oil into  it cured it\'s starting, this is because the Rotary relies on the \'\'guts\'\' in the oil holding out the tips onto the walls of the Rotor housing thus ensuring a good seal and thus good compression.  

Hope this helps
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: oilman on December 02, 2004, 09:51:52 AM
Bear in mind that most synthetics are not synthetic at all, they\'re hydrocracked (modified mineral) oils and contain no proper synthetic basestocks (poly alpha olefins, esters) but just your plain old mineral oils more finely refined.

These oils are suitable as they are not synthetics at all.

A semi-synthetic 10w-40 is basically the same as a mineral 10w-40 but with better film strength and lubrication properties.

“HYDROCRACKED” (HC) or MOLECULARLY CONVERTED (MC) BASESTOCKS

There are many petroleum oils available on the market that are so pure and refined, they can now be passed off as synthetics.

They are not made from true synthetic basestocks (at least not in the way that synthetics have traditionally been defined), but they have so little in common with traditional petroleum basestocks, it is really somewhat silly to classify them as petroleum oils.

Petroleum oil basestocks can be put through a super-extreme refining process called “hydrocracking”. In some cases, as in the case of one particular name-brand "synthetic" oil, these highly refined petroleum basestocks can actually be termed and sold as "synthetic".

It is completely legal for lubricants manufacturers to label these oils as "synthetic".

These are extremely high performance petroleum basestocks, but they are not truly synthetic the way that most people understand the term and will not necessarily perform to the same level as a premium synthetic oil like PAO (poly alfa olefins) or Esters.

Hydrocracking involves changing the actual structure of many of the oil basestock molecules by breaking and fragmenting different molecular structures into far more stable ones. This results in a basestock which has far better thermal and oxidative stability as well as a better ability to maintain proper viscosity through a wide temperature range - when compared to a typical petroleum basestock.

Although contaminants are still present, and these are still petroleum basestocks, contamination is minimal and performance characteristics are high. This process also can turn a wider range of crude oil stock into well-performing petroleum lubricant basestocks.

Cheers
Simon
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: oilman on December 02, 2004, 09:59:51 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by clive

I have been surprised by Mazda\'s use of low  viscosity oil in the RX-8, indeed l have worked with one of their Main dealer\'s  with one of the \'\'non starting\'\' RX-8\'s, and by putting conventional \'Rotary\' grade oil into  it cured it\'s starting, this is because the Rotary relies on the \'\'guts\'\' in the oil holding out the tips onto the walls of the Rotor housing thus ensuring a good seal and thus good compression.  

Hope this helps

I\'m not surprised by this Clive as a "thin" oil is fine as long as it\'s shear stable and is changed on a regular basis.

The main reasons for the move (generally with all OEM\'s) to 0w and 5w oils are:

Fuel Economy
Emissions
Cold start protection

5w-30 works fine in the Renesis engine and as I\'m using around 1L per 1000 miles the oil doesn\'t have time time shear.

Cheers
Simon
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: oilman on December 02, 2004, 10:02:01 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by zevans
Thanks...

What\'s the price differential between the two?

Silkolene Fuchs XTR 5w-30 (incl vat and carriage)

10x1 litres £51.19
2x5 litres £49.89
4x5 litres £76.99
25 litres £87.49

Cheers
Simon
Title: So, what oil do you use?
Post by: peterch on December 19, 2004, 10:17:50 PM
I use servol 10w30 produced by Morris\'s of Shrewsbury.