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10 Year Review of Mazdarotaryclub.com
« on: October 24, 2011, 02:59:30 PM »
10 Year Review of Mazdarotaryclub.com

First of all if you are reading this thank you for being a member of Mazdarotaryclub because without your support the club would not be able to function as it does with its aim of helping fellow enthusiasts enhance the ownership of our wonderful Mazda Rotarys.


Many of our members will not even know how or why the club formed so this is maybe a good place to start so you can see better how it operates to this day and help make it stronger and better for enthusiastic Rotary owners in the future as well.


After a few years of Rotary ownership and initially coming across the Mazda Rotary via the RX-2,3 and RX-4 at the start of my apprenticeship many years previous, I by now owned a rare at the time RX-7 FD and was a member of the RX7 owners club and a few of us were on a yahoo club e-mail list that Henning and Nigel set up called FDUK and we would meet up for the odd road run etc.


I had already found that the RX-7 club had no interest in the 3rd Gen, with not much more really for the 2nd gen but more importantly they had no interest in involvement in the new fangled internet that was now upon us.

In 2001, very few people really knew anything about the Rotary over here and to find out anything you needed to go out onto the RX7 Club forum in America and risk being called “stupid” if you didn’t have all the answers!

By now I knew from Mazda people I was in contact with that the RX-8 was going to be made which I found to be an exciting development for our small UK Rotary world, however yet again I found that the RX-7 club here believed that, a it would not be made, and b, if it was then they had no interest in it.

By this time I had met a guy called Glenn Butcher, an Australian with huge a Rotary background who was fully conversant with website construction and when we were both asked to attend one of their committee meetings I saw to my astonishment half way through one person get up and want to punch another committee member, which prompted the end of that meeting and to this day this is why MRC has no committee !!!!!!!!!!!


This actuality became the night that Mazdarotaryclub was formed, because whilst driving down the M1 home I rang Glenn and asked him if he would like to help form a new exciting club for Rotary’s here in the UK that would make everybody with an interest in Mazda Rotary’s welcome, with my stipulation that it needed to be a dot com as I was afraid that people with Rotary knowledge and information from around the world would not even attempt to visit us because of the dot co dot UK tag, believing that there was nothing to interest them here in the UK and Europe and so with Glenn agreeing to man the internet for this exciting new land new based club, and so Mazdarotaryclub.com was born.
All the best Clive

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10 Year Review of Mazdarotaryclub.com / Some of what has it achieved.
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2011, 03:05:37 PM »
In November 2001 we launched this fresh new club that would hopefully enhance ownership of any Mazda rotary from old to present plus any new Mazda rotary’s that may appear in the future,


This future part being particularly significant as we knew the RX-8 was definately coming, indeed Mazda even accurately told me that in two years time 3200 cars would arrive as the first batch, this at the time seemed staggering as they had only imported 124 of the last RX-7’s and two years on sure enough 3200 cars initially landed on our shores,



The guy nearly fell off his chair when I asked him if this new car was going to be a “niche” car like 3rd Gen RX-7 which must have been the reason for getting this info out of him.


Mazdarotaryclub’s agenda would also be to promote Mazda rotary’s and portray them as vehicles that if armed with the correct knowledge, were not vehicles to be scared of, as many still did not look at the Rotary as a serious alternative to any piston engine car, let alone as an alternative to cars like the Nissan Skyline.


Indeed it really felt that whilst all Mazda rotary’s were fun to drive, the 3rd generation RX-7 which we knew was a serious drivers “Supercar” was our secret, a secret that I for one wanted to make many more aware of, particularly as I knew of the Rotary’s tremendous Racing heritage that was still continuing around the world even though essentially Rotary racing and interest had stopped here in Europe.

This was probably after the 1st Generation RX-7 was kicked out of the BTCC after two years of domination with the RX-7 winning from memory 9 out of 10 rounds to firmly squash any sort of look in from piston engine cars.

BTCC promptly brought in a regulation demanding that all cars on the grid if two door, needed a production four door counterpart, effectively banning the two door only RX-7 and all these years on only piston cars are allowed to compete within the regulations.


Initially the club started with a website that Glenn would post pictures and information of Rotarys both here and around the world however my stipulation that Mazdarotaryclub.com welcomed anyone with a rotary interest became polarised when Glenn’s brother, who had a huge amount of rotary experience tried to join another forum but was refused with the upshot of this being that Glenn constructed the Mazdarotaryclub.com forum, a forum that would not be specific to any particular type of Mazda Rotary or person and would welcome people as individuals and not mates of mates.


This fact that Mazdarotaryclub welcomes all and is not and never will be a “mates” club has become poignant twice now in the history of Mazdarotaryclub, but more of that later.

Our first event was at Brooklands in the Spring of 2002 with a pleasing 75 cars turning up and a good time had by all with Glenn, myself and Lisa happy in the knowledge that now the club was fully alive and every one going home happy.

Many have found this analogy strange in that all Lisa and myself have ever looked for is not praise, thanks or anything else other than to see people go home happy that they have had a good day out with Mazdarotaryclub, but that is actually the very simple truth.

While on the subject of Brooklands its worth noting that we are the only Japanese car club that has an event at Brooklands which is the birthplace of Motor Racing with many other clubs not being able to secure an event there.

One year on and Glenn and myself wanted to add an American style Sevenstock type event here in the UK to promote the Rotary fully and showcase our cars to the rest of the Japanese car community but we wanted a "moving event" and not a static event like Sevenstock. Indeed I actually wanted this new “Rotorstock” event to be a Show and Go at a racetrack circuit, and actually wanted the event to be at Lydden Hill in Kent so we could attract Europeans to this new event.


Glenn promptly posted this out on the forum and our members announced that they favoured a Drag Race Track and not a circuit, so off we went to try and make it so, and now Rotorstock was born as an event to showcase the Rotary


Whilst Mazdarotaryclub hosted this new event it was made clear that this event like the club itself welcomed all Rotarys regardless of if you were in Mazdarotaryclub or any other Rotaryclub or not in any club at all just as it still does today.


From memory a call was made to Santa Pod and we were told yes you can hold your event, but it will cost £3500 and it will be on a Friday, not a weekend!


Next it was actually Carl Hayward who initially rang Shakespeare County and opened the door to myself talking to the promoter and formulating the first Rotorstock.


It helped that I still knew people in the Drag Racing world after a successful campaign years earlier plus understood how Drag Racing worked and with this convinced the Promoter that the world was ready for proper “head to head” Japanese car Drag Racing here in Europe.


I felt that for too long people had stood in fields at shows saying “Yeh mate, it’s got 600 bhp” with their Skylines, Supra’s, Subaru’s etc, now Mazdarotaryclub was going to give the Japanese car community the chance to prove how fast their cars really were and in doing so show that Rotary cars could be formidable weapons up against these Japanese car Piston cars, something it still does to this very day.


Remember, If Mazdarotaryclub stopped tomorrow one of the things it has achieved is that we held the first competitive Drag Racing event in Europe for Japanese cars now copied again and again, but we did it first.


Come Rotorstock 2 we also gave the Drift world their first Championship as well in the quest for bringing something different to Rotorstock, which is something we try to do each year to this day eight years on !


I would also state that through our members wonderful Rotary Mazda’s attending the many many different types of events the club has attended over the last ten years be they static shows or at a Drag Strip or Motor Racing Circuit, Mazdarotaryclub has portrayed to the UK car world that our cars are very serious cars and many would never have considered or embarked on ownership of cars like ours had it not been for the club.



Now moving on a couple of years on the forum had settled down to a pleasant place for the Rotary owner to be to share his interest and views with other likeminded enthusiasts, and as naive as it sounds now, Glenn and myself never ever imposed any rules on the forum. Instead, we let the members evolve and shape it into basically the forum you see to this day with no swearing, no porn, no racism, no religious problems brought to it etc, indeed no segregation of any kind as by now we had achieved exactly what we wanted initially with people from many places around the world just enjoying their passion for Rotary’s.


“But” as time went on we then realised that if this was how the bulk of the membership wanted Mazdarotaryclub to operate on a daily basis it would take work to keep it this way, hence a moderators section was constructed and people invited were invited to help look after the forum, bearing in mind that this is a club that deliberately has no committee mainly due to the problems I saw at the old RX7 Club mentioned earlier.


It is now time to make it clear that initially Glenn and then later Kevin, the present Chairman of Mazdarotary club and myself have always looked for people who have shown a certain attribute that we believed would not only benefit the operation of Mazdarotaryclub and be able to make unbiased decisions surrounding any problems that may befall the club. The first and foremost request made to them upon invitation to become a moderator is that they are Ambassadors to Mazdarotaryclub.


Over the years we have actualy had moderators that have been asked to leave as it has been felt they have been unable to put the clubs interests before their own or were not making unbiased comments. This has been an unenviable task that has fallen to me but had to be done for the good of the members of the club.

The moderation team has also been deliberately picked in the same vein as the whole club, in that it is NOT a mates area but an area deliberately constructed with people of very differing backgrounds and types of people so as to be able to confer and debate about the operation of the club and come to an agreement at times by majority voting if a forum problem of any kind is occurring.

It is actually sad that I feel that the moderators who at times spend a huge amount of “bad” time discussing and dealing with complaints made toward other members, by members which is time spent that is no fun at all, are not appreciated because all they are doing is trying to keep the forum happy for the bulk of its members.

They then become “the bad guys” but to give you an idea before Nik received his final warning and then ban, the thread surrounding this hit 100 posts about deliberation of how to proceed in the moderators section , in fact there are members reported posts that implicate Nik being a party reports 39 times over the last 14 months, sorry but we have seen his mates scream but many more members have complained about his involvement with the forum and have not approved, hence the desision the moderation team took on behalf of it\'s paying members.

It takes no working out that this constitutes hours and of the moderators time, time I sure they would rather put to other uses, but they are devoting this amount of time in the effort to try and get it right for everyone in the club and not just one person as I have made clear above, MRC is not and never will be just a "mates club" or a one model club, but a club for anyone who only needs an interest in Rotarys to be part of,

I repeatedly use the word Club because we are a proper paper based Mazda recognised Car Club and not just a forum that could disappear if someone does not pay the internet fees and pulls the plug and that the forum is there as a communication area for the Clubs members and guests, it is not there as an object for ridicule from people from other clubs be they members of this club or not.

The above is another area where our moderators work to keep any animosity being aired on Mazdarotaryclub from other clubs away so that our members can enjoy Mazdarotaryclub.

Over the years Mazdarotaryclub members, as far as I know have never gone onto other clubs to rubbish their clubs and we hope that from now on this is a practice that will now stop the other way around as there is no harm in anyone belonging to other clubs to further enhance their passion for Rotarys, indeed I still class myself as a member of FDUK and also am active with the RX8OC and have never intended either any harm or malice and never will,

With that said and in spite of various people over the years, and even now trying to cause problems across the clubs, I still believe in a “Rotary community” and If I did not, there would never have been a Rotorstock or any others in the future.

I will vehemently say that anyone who feels in any way that the moderators area is some kind of “yes” Clive or “Yes” Kevin area, is very very much mistaken as time and time again, and quite rightly at times I have been told by moderators that my opinion has been wrong and gone away for a complete rethink and come back to tell them they were right and I was wrong.


Mazdarotaryclub also probably stands alone in that the club was fully investigated by the governments Trading Standards Agency by an individual who tried to kill off Mazdarotaryclub by accusing myself of using the club to procure customers for my own benefit, an accusation that was totally dispelled by a four week investigation by an officer which included being given full access to every part of the forum and full knowledge of how and why the moderators team operates works.


Trust me even If I tried to pull a fast one on the club the moderators would expose me just as they should do , bearing in mind the moderators were all picked as being their own men (sorry Ann) I would expect nothing less. I have said it before and will say it again Mazdarotaryclub is designed to be and has to be bigger than one person, and that includes ME !.
All the best Clive