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Cars by Model Type => 1st generation RX-7's => Topic started by: CHC on November 03, 2010, 11:44:39 PM

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 03, 2010, 11:44:39 PM
As most of the forum will already know I have just completed a deal for the purchase of Goldie - a 1st Gen Series 2 1984 RX7 and what a fantastic shade she is.

She will be brought back to be cared and cherished and my intentions are to undergo a thorough examination and re-store to a roadworthy condition.  More details and photos to follow.

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on November 04, 2010, 10:09:03 AM
Is that sunroof black metal or glass? Do tell as soon as.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 04, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
I\' going for black metal .............. place your bets
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on November 04, 2010, 11:24:53 AM
If you look after her as well as you have Jazz I\'m sure she\'ll be wonderful when finished :)

Are you hoping to bring her back to a nice clean original style? Or going to do something a little different this time?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 04, 2010, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;724956
I\' going for black metal .............. place your bets


Black metal ....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 04, 2010, 01:30:56 PM
I said to the Dragon last night - METAL, I\'m sure it is (not that I\'m bothered about it.
:Hammer
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 04, 2010, 01:33:23 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;724958
If you look after her as well as you have Jazz I\'m sure she\'ll be wonderful when finished :)
 
Are you hoping to bring her back to a nice clean original style? Or going to do something a little different this time?

Going for originality again Steve - the ever faithful.
As with JAZ, bought on \'speck\' so yet to behold its true condition but coming with heaps of spares apparently.
:cool
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 04, 2010, 01:46:59 PM
Cliff, if he has a spare working electric aerial and you dont want it please let me know.
 
   Dibs
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 04, 2010, 02:19:32 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;724986
Cliff, if he has a spare working electric aerial and you dont want it please let me know.
 
Dibs

Okay Dibs - see what I can put my hands on then.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on November 04, 2010, 02:38:28 PM
Good news that you\'re doing the clean original restoration thing.

Makes me feel less guilty doing non original things to mine if there\'s at least one clean gold example about :P
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 04, 2010, 04:33:09 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;724993
Good news that you\'re doing the clean original restoration thing.
 
Makes me feel less guilty doing non original things to mine if there\'s at least one clean gold example about :P

Each to their own but as you say, nice to know there is at least one around as standard.
:Thumbs-up
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: don wyatt on November 04, 2010, 07:07:42 PM
Cliff, i think you should at least offer it to the mag 7 ? :D :D :D

Don the bandit.:bandit
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: myatt1972 on November 04, 2010, 08:38:03 PM
Just looking at the pics Cliff, the clutch master reservoir looks very close to the air filter or is it me?
Have you got a front bumper with the car (i dont have a spare by the way)
Keith...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 04, 2010, 11:11:08 PM
Quote from: myatt1972;725041
Just looking at the pics Cliff, the clutch master reservoir looks very close to the air filter or is it me?
Have you got a front bumper with the car (i dont have a spare by the way)
Keith...

See what you mean Keith - ye does appear close ....hmmmmm... all will be revealed at the weekend I think and of course will also be exposed in this thread.
Have already asked and apparently the front bumper is there but as it happens I have also been offered a bumper from a friend in Tamworth along with possibly more spares.

:)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 05, 2010, 07:59:19 PM
Welcome to an exclusive club Cliff.:D
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 05, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;725208
Welcome to an exclusive club Cliff.:D

Ditto Tim - that makes a couple for us now I think. Tell me, do you feel special ? Or is it just (like myself) forgotten to remove the latex gloves after washing the engine down :evillaugh:evillaugh
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 05, 2010, 09:13:59 PM
Bit of a disaster today, my Range Rover has had rad problems for the last week and instead of collecting it today got the news that the water pump & thermostat both need replacing :eek::eek::eek: I\'m supposed to be collecting Goldie tomorrow ! :flamed
So I\'ve had to hire a vehicle with tow bar and also hire trailer so now back on track for tomorrows collection. This just has to be :InLove for the fb
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: antnicuk on November 05, 2010, 09:43:23 PM
was this on ebay for a little while?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 06, 2010, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: antnicuk;725230
was this on ebay for a little while?

 
Yeh - came on last weekend I think - hadn\'t seen it before then
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 06, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: myatt1972;725041
Just looking at the pics Cliff, the clutch master reservoir looks very close to the air filter or is it me?
Have you got a front bumper with the car (i dont have a spare by the way)
Keith...

Collected Goldie today Keith - looked at the clutch maser cylinder and turns out it\'s a bodged job. The lad was given the car from his uncle and he intended to us it as a drift car eventually.  Whilst he was \'playing around with it\' the master cylinder required doing but suppose he didn\'t have the cash to buy a new one.  He went to the local scrap yard and bodged one together and this was the ebd eresult - thats coming out and a proper one shall be installed (not having and s***e in this car - actually none of my cars).
So yes Keith - well spotted (suppose you want some house points for that do you?).
:)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 06, 2010, 11:05:05 PM
Well guys, here are the 1st picks of Goldie.  Doesn\'t really look that good but suppose it could have been a lot worse.
1st job is to get her inside and under cover and empty her so that I have a scout around and see if/what are the obvious faults - and a few more picks of cause.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 06, 2010, 11:12:35 PM
Quote from: David Nock;724945
Is that sunroof black metal or glass? Do tell as soon as.

Well guys went to collect Goldie today and what a shock I got with the sunroof.  It fooled us all, it is actually \'a colander\' - well okay a lot of metal where loads of rust monkeys have spread their seeds .... haha.  Good job I\'d already settled my heart on metal, that way I wasn\'t disappointed.
:rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 06, 2010, 11:15:28 PM
Quote from: myatt1972;725041
Just looking at the pics Cliff, the clutch master reservoir looks very close to the air filter or is it me?
Have you got a front bumper with the car (i dont have a spare by the way)
Keith...

Front bumper supplied with car mate.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 06, 2010, 11:18:52 PM
Apparently the Goldies original engine had tip failure so a good replacement was fitted - this is a 12A S2 with under slung oil cooler.
Whether this engine actually works  - well time will tell.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 07, 2010, 09:23:06 AM
Glad you got it home safe Cliff.... it always seems to be a long day when fetching cars and then sorting trailers etc doesn\'t it?!
I wouldn\'t worry about it looking a bit scruffy cosmetically, it\'s what\'s underneath that counts!
As you know from restoring JAZ, these are actually very easy cars to work on (unless you decide to crack the engine itself open ) and are more enjoyable and easier to restore than comparative cars of the era.

The last 3 cars I\'ve restored have been 2 1981 Spitfires ( which consisted of a load of rust held together by underseal and a 2.8i Capri which has all the panelwork welded on so all the outer panels have to be cut off to fix the shell)

At least with 1st gens, all the panelwork forward of the windscreen just unbolts for restoration / replacement and gives great access to the structural parts and by the time you\'ve dropped the doors, rear bumper and sunroof off, there isn\'t much left!

The stripped front end of my car...


(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/primer.jpg)

and then with some new paint on it...

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/painted.jpg)


That said, the structural integrity of the shell is everything.... the usual 1st gen rust spots. If these are ok then you\'ve got a good base for a nice restoration to your own high standards.
The other bit you want intact is the main loom. If this has been hacked, you can spend months trying to fault find no end of electrical gremlins.

If, after you\'ve surveyed it, you decided that you\'ll be restoring this car, you\'re welcome to raid my spares collection. I haven\'t got tons of stuff but might have that elusive part you need.

Ian

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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 07, 2010, 11:37:29 AM
Must agree with you there Ian, the RX7 is quiet an easy structure to work with. Although I never did any major stripping to the bodywork of JAZ I did, as you know, have some of the major rust areas to tackle. In saying that though, I really did enjoy the work and wasn\'t put off the possibility of working on others as and if the case were to arise - it has arisen and I\'m looking forward to what ever challenge Goldie now has to offer or throw at me.
The Dragon came with me to collect yesterday and I said the very same thing - ignore the patchwork, that\'s just a colour change. I had a initial poke around and the areas of access do seem to be reasonable but we all know how underseal can hide a multitude of sins don\'t we.
I dare say by the time I\'ve finished looking at her bodywork, there\'ll be quite a bit more discolouration but I don\'t care, the finish will be the telling and proof of my justification to save this old girl from ? ....... well god only knows really.
Thanks for the offer to sift through your spares (rotorshed), might perhaps take you up on that at a later date but surprisingly from what I\'ve already seen on Goldie, the major missing panels and other pieces I already have from JAZ. I\'m sure there will be some bit here and there that I can\'t get elsewhere so I\'ll let you know. I too have some left overs so if I can help, I shall.
Right going out now to have a better look and find a better home so that I can work on her in the dry and warm with power laid on.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 07, 2010, 09:02:41 PM
Well I managed to empty Goldie today of all her spare parts, the rear seats and have a good sniff round at all the potential bad areas - what a pleasant surprise to find solid metal.  Still needs a proper investigation but will need to re-colour code the interior first - any comments or suggestions welcome after seeing the photos below ......

:rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 07, 2010, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: CHC;725358
Collected Goldie today Keith - looked at the clutch maser cylinder and turns out it\'s a bodged job. The lad was given the car from his uncle and he intended to us it as a drift car eventually. Whilst he was \'playing around with it\' the master cylinder required doing but suppose he didn\'t have the cash to buy a new one. He went to the local scrap yard and bodged one together and this was the ebd eresult - thats coming out and a proper one shall be installed (not having and s***e in this car - actually none of my cars).
So yes Keith - well spotted (suppose you want some house points for that do you?).
:)

How about a close up of the bodged clutch master cylinder ...... but what vehicle has it come off ?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 07, 2010, 09:13:28 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;724986
Cliff, if he has a spare working electric aerial and you dont want it please let me know.
 
Dibs

Sorry Dibs - no electric aerial at all.  Why even the one fitted to Goldie is busted but as there is no radio fitted, doesn\'t need aerial.  I\'ll have to hum or something when I\'m working on her.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 07, 2010, 09:13:55 PM
So thats why the rear quarter lights are green!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 07, 2010, 09:15:36 PM
bloody hell.... is the previous owner responsible for that?
makes you wonder what goes through some peoples minds....   not much, obviously.

Sounds like good news about the shell  though, have you got enough parts with it to put it back together?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 07, 2010, 09:22:38 PM
Never managed to move Goldie into the garage today so thought I\'d better concentrate on making her watertight.  So took out the \'colander\' and hey - no guides fitted in the roof.  Routed through the boxes of spare parts and found the guides, so cleaned then up and fitted them.  Then found the roof opening/closing mechanism and fitted that too - only problem is that it is black rather than brown, none the less this is only a temporary measure as I know I have a brown one from JAZ which I can be fitted when finally putting interior back in for good.

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 07, 2010, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;725562
So thats why the rear quarter lights are green!

Apparently the PO was in mind for Drifting her .... mmmmm think his mind was drifting also.  When I 1st saw it I thought wtf, omg and I forgot to bring my sun shades - in fact I think a welders screen is more apt, boy is it bright !
:Hammer
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 07, 2010, 09:40:52 PM
Quote from: Ian65;725564
bloody hell.... is the previous owner responsible for that?
makes you wonder what goes through some peoples minds.... not much, obviously.
 
Sounds like good news about the shell though, have you got enough parts with it to put it back together?

Must admit the advert did say that the welding work had been completed - from what I\'ve looked at quickly it has been welded in the rear boot section on the outer edged seams (I\'ll post a photo next weekend). Other than that haven\'t seen any evidence of it but as I say I haven\'t looked properly and certainly haven\'t looked under the rear end yet. I think the main area for welding will be the cross member under the rear bumper as it looks corroded. Minor corrsion at the front end which will be easily treatable.

The only parts that weren\'t supplied were
rear spoiler - have one from JAZ.
a sunroof (lets face it you can\'t class a colander as a sunroof) - have another spare from doing JAZ.
a few pieces of brown interior - I have a complete interior from JAZ.
Spare wheel - need one.
Jack / brace / wheel nut spanner - need to get these.
Need to replace seat belts - they are a little bright at the moment - have a spare set.
That a very quick summary from what I have evaluated today.

All in all I think a good buy and defintely too good to wreck or use as a drift/track car.
Unfortunately the PO didn\'t realise what he had in the RX7 and actually said that he thought he would regret selling it - I\'ll second that.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 08, 2010, 06:56:45 AM
Quote from: CHC;725561
Sorry Dibs - no electric aerial at all. Why even the one fitted to Goldie is busted but as there is no radio fitted, doesn\'t need aerial. I\'ll have to hum or something when I\'m working on her.

Thanks Cliff, the last owner did he come from The Emerald Island ............
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 08, 2010, 11:19:22 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;725631
Thanks Cliff, the last owner did he come from The Emerald Island ............

Hmmmmm you haven\'t heard my singing or humming mate, a word of warning - stand well clear :rollin:rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 10, 2010, 12:47:06 PM
Just because it has all gone quiet doesn\'t mean that I\'m doing nothing !
Currently re-arranging the garage so that I can bring Goldie in out of the cold and dampness, should be done by the weekend hopefully. Took a photo of Goldie last night but the trouble is with the nights being so dark now, can\'t see a damn thing outside so it\'s useless trying to do anything at all.  The good thing is you can\'t see the grey primer from the rattle cans.

:rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 10, 2010, 12:56:27 PM
No threat to David Bailey then ..................
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Rotaryguru on November 10, 2010, 02:21:41 PM
Ewwww, slime green. :eek:
 
That master cylinder looks like a BMW one.
 
I have an electric aerial for sale dibs... Cliff has my email. I will get a photo and email you if you like.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 10, 2010, 02:28:44 PM
Cheers RG
 
  d underscore i underscore ball at hotmail dot com
 
 Dibs
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 10, 2010, 09:41:33 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;725993
No threat to David Bailey then ..................

If he had used my camera he would have ended up with the same shot.  So that makes me as good as him in my book mmmmmmm ??????? or is it that he is as bad as me ?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 10, 2010, 09:50:43 PM
Quote from: Rotaryguru;726002
Ewwww, slime green. :eek:
 
That master cylinder looks like a BMW one.
 
I have an electric aerial for sale dibs... Cliff has my email. I will get a photo and email you if you like.

Not quite the same name that I called the colour but close enough (and yours sounds better too) hehehe.

So thats what it is off?  Just goes to show how designers cram things under the bonnet and finish up with odd shapes - not that it really matters \'cause I\'ll be taking it off to replace with a refurbished unit from JAZ.
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 10, 2010, 10:04:35 PM
Managed to put Goldie inside tonight - now warm and dry.  Trouble is I couldn\'t swing a cat in there at the moment so still need to make more room so that I can work on her if the weather is bad.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 10, 2010, 10:32:44 PM
Come on then get to work!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Rotaryguru on November 12, 2010, 10:48:33 AM
Hi Dibs, got your email, will get pics to you of Aerial tomorrow, sorry been real busy!
Sorry from thread hijack too cliff!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 12, 2010, 10:50:40 AM
Cheers RG ....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 14, 2010, 07:33:17 PM
Well the cat got a bit ****ed off banging its head on the inner garage walls so I had to push Goldie in to the drive to work on her.  The problem is the brakes are binding and there is a strip of timber along the threshold of the garage about 25mm high.  So have to drag the car over this hump before it would come out and with the brakes binding ....... yeh I was getting more than a little fed up and **ackered.  So when it finally came out the first job was .... you guessed it, took out the front pads which were binding - phew this makes it a lot simpler to push and drag.

So done that and took out the remaining front seats and black carpet (bloody colour scheme for this car is so bizarre - gold, grey, brown, black and Kermit Green (think the PO was either colour blind or had a weird sense of humour).
Now I can survey the interior to establish where if anywhere the rust is hiding - found some close to the n/s seat-belt mounting point.  Nothing too severe and can easily be cut out and plated up.
The other major areas i.e rear floor pan to inner wheel arches etc are all fine - except for that ****dy green paint!!! Grrrrrrrrrrr - something is going to have to be done to the interior colour scheme and double quick time too.
The inside of the rear end looks pretty good too but have found some minor rusting to the bottom rear of the n/s quarter window - again looks quite a simple repair job.
Then the rain came again and stopped play unfortunately.
:Hammer
 

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 14, 2010, 07:41:02 PM
that\'s good news Cliff.... not too bad at all. Once that green paint has gone it\'ll look a different car!

I had the same issue with binding brakes on my donor car.... I had to soak the pads with WD40 ( they were being scrapped anyway)  to try to get the wheels to turn.

good that the radius arm mounts are sound.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 14, 2010, 07:52:35 PM
Really pleased with the body on Goldie, I know the PO said in the advert that all welding had been done but you never really know until you strip down to the bare essentials so to speak.
I still haven\'t looked properly underneath yet but the signs are more than 70-30 in my favour (I hope anyway).  I do know however that the petrol tank will definitely need looking at as I\'ve managed to have a sneak preview of the tank top.  So when I start the underside this will be the first part to be taken out for full survey and treatment.

Yeh I know I\'m moaning about the green but if that is the only major problem with the body I wont complain.  I\'ll see if I can remove any but if all else fails I\'ll get my own rattle can out with the proper colour - then I\'ll be happy.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 14, 2010, 10:10:20 PM
Cliff,
U got me confused,u won\'t see the green after u put the interior back?
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 14, 2010, 11:29:05 PM
Quote from: syebba;726849
Cliff,
U got me confused,u won\'t see the green after u put the interior back?
ta stu..

I know Stu but knowing that it would still be there lurking underneath - just waiting - urgh horrible, it has got to go !:eek  For me it just has to be right.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 17, 2010, 11:55:09 PM
Weather been preety grim today so had to struggle in the tight fitting garage.
Took rear bumper off and found the usual flaking paintwork and rust on the bumper framework - no priority for this yet so it can wait.
However, found rust monkeys had attacked the rear lower valance - so this does need treating. Question is, can a new lower valance be purchased or will I need to get out the welding set and stainless plate? Anybody any idea?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 18, 2010, 12:02:54 AM
Also - having a scout around in the engine bay and noticed that the manifold below the carburetta is different from that on JAZ.
I\'ve taken a few photos, can anybody tell me what this is?  Oh and by the way, I\'m a bodywork man not an engine man so please excuse my ignorance on this.
:o

 
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 18, 2010, 01:00:19 AM
I\'m sure i\'ve posted in the past about rear valences,i\'ve seen them somewhere & for not a bad price,think £85 > £100 approx,i\'ll have a long hard think where i saw them & get back to u,if i find them,can\'t even remember if they were in UK  or not,duh!
Ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 18, 2010, 07:09:43 AM
Quote from: CHC;727820
Weather been preety grim today so had to struggle in the tight fitting garage.
Took rear bumper off and found the usual flaking paintwork and rust on the bumper framework - no priority for this yet so it can wait.
However, found rust monkeys had attacked the rear lower valance - so this does need treating. Question is, can a new lower valance be purchased or will I need to get out the welding set and stainless plate? Anybody any idea?


try a mazda main dealer Cliff. I bought one  for my S2 ( it was a few years ago now) It was about £80 and was a genuine panel. Fitted perfectly and looked the biz
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 18, 2010, 08:49:39 AM
I would much prefer to replace (with original part) as I want it to look good rather than a throwback from the reject department at a scrapyard.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 18, 2010, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: CHC;727821
Also - having a scout around in the engine bay and noticed that the manifold below the carburetta is different from that on JAZ.
I\'ve taken a few photos, can anybody tell me what this is?  Oh and by the way, I\'m a bodywork man not an engine man so please excuse my ignorance on this.
:o
 
 


These replace the thermal reactor and allow removal of the air pump giving you a freer flowing exhaust route. Quite a common mod-NEV had them and so does Rexanne.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on November 18, 2010, 12:42:06 PM
There should be a blank plate on the Inlet Manifold not that Xmas tree of unused pipes. To me it looks like somone\'s part-removed the air pump gubbins but not done the whole thing.

Looks like the OMP rod is hanging unattached to the pump as well.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 18, 2010, 12:57:52 PM
Quote from: Ian65;727841
try a mazda main dealer Cliff. I bought one for my S2 ( it was a few years ago now) It was about £80 and was a genuine panel. Fitted perfectly and looked the biz

Cliff i\'d go this route,daves purchased one a few years ago,i knew i\'d seen/heard they were £80>£100 approx.
 
The usual places abroad also do the rear valence,mazdatrix,phils rotary shack,black dragon etc.Looking through my old posts phils rotary shack had some genuine outer cills.
 
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 18, 2010, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: David Nock;727923
There should be a blank plate on the Inlet Manifold not that Xmas tree of unused pipes. To me it looks like somone\'s part-removed the air pump gubbins but not done the whole thing.
 
Looks like the OMP rod is hanging unattached to the pump as well.

I knew you guys would know what was going on here.  Yeh the story was the original engine was burning more oil than normal and found the \'tips\' had worn.  So the PO exchanged an engine from another rx7 he had - this was the better engine apparantly.  The eBay said quote "
I did have two of these cars and when the tipps went on this one I replaced it with the engine from the other as this one by far had the better body.
I tried the car today and it turned over but did not fire up, a new battery and clean through is needed I imagine. This engine has never been drifted and was running the last time I used it about six months ago".
So guys, no wonder it didn\'t fire up then - where should I look for information/details on how this set up should look like to determine whether I should be purchasing new/refurbished parts?
:Thumbs-up
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 18, 2010, 11:18:52 PM
I\'ll take a picture of NEV\'s old 12A so you can see what it should look like around the inlet manifold area as it\'s out it\'s nice and easy to photograph.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 18, 2010, 11:21:45 PM
Good feedback on the rear valance guys - will post update when sorted.
Ta
Cliff
:Thumbs-up
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on November 19, 2010, 12:32:40 PM
I\'ll email you the instructions for fitting 1) a Janspeed Stainless Exhaust and 2) a Double \'S\' system. They both say the same thing but give details on what to do with the air pump, i.e. blanking plates etc.

I would say that\'s a start point before firing up.

Don\'t forget some premix in the fuel (100:1?) if the OMP isn\'t attached.

Then it\'s the usual, turn it over to get lube oil round, check/renew plugs (put \'em in oven to warm \'em through), clean inside distributor cap/rotor arm, then a blast of aerostart down the air cleaner and stand well back!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 19, 2010, 09:17:42 PM
I find having a wild unhinged look on your face usually helps proccedings.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 19, 2010, 10:24:10 PM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;728277
I find having a wild unhinged look on your face usually helps proccedings.

No problem with this one then   :Giggle
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 19, 2010, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: David Nock;728189
I\'ll email you the instructions for fitting 1) a Janspeed Stainless Exhaust and 2) a Double \'S\' system. They both say the same thing but give details on what to do with the air pump, i.e. blanking plates etc.
 
I would say that\'s a start point before firing up.
 
Don\'t forget some premix in the fuel (100:1?) if the OMP isn\'t attached.
 
Then it\'s the usual, turn it over to get lube oil round, check/renew plugs (put \'em in oven to warm \'em through), clean inside distributor cap/rotor arm, then a blast of aerostart down the air cleaner and stand well back!

Thanks for that Dave, quite a way off this as yet but obviously very much in my mind and will probably come back for more advice later.
:cheers
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 21, 2010, 07:47:32 PM
Petrol tank now taken out.
A damn good clean up required.
A few areas appear a bit \'touch n go\' so all bare steel areas were treated.
 
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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 21, 2010, 07:52:56 PM

A few photos after the initial treatment.

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 21, 2010, 08:07:10 PM
Followed by underside investigation to see extent of corrosion - always expected with RX7\'s I would have thought.
What I did find (which infuriates me) is that a plate has been welded in on the boot space floor, n/s rear seam but instead of removing the bad metal from underneath, whoever did this left the rotten metal to fester and cause more corrosion - so this has to go and be made good.  No doubt it will probably be the same on the o/s seam.
:mad:
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 21, 2010, 08:17:14 PM
It came to the end of daylight so back into the garage for a further prod and poke around at paint bubbles @ the n/s rear hatch channel and more corrosion found.
It has also attacked the bottom section of the n/s rear window frame so will need to remove the glass - any suggestions for the easiest removal method would be welcomed.

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 21, 2010, 08:24:21 PM
I don\'t think there is an easy way to get the quarter light glass out Cliff, I\'ve always found it a real b*tch You also need to be so careful not to scratch the black surround on the glass. I\'ve probably broken as many as I\'ve managed to get out successfully.
Factory manual says use wire to saw through the bonding compound but that hasn\'t worked for me. I use a long flat bladed craft knife to slowly cut away at the bonding.
It\'s a horrible job..... good luck.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 21, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
Ooh blimey-those windows are bonded in. Probably one of those windscreen removal tools would help or something along those lines.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 21, 2010, 08:37:33 PM
I thought as much guys, that\'s why I posted this question - good job I\'m not waiting for this job to finish :Laugh:Laugh
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 23, 2010, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: Ian65;727841
try a mazda main dealer Cliff. I bought one for my S2 ( it was a few years ago now) It was about £80 and was a genuine panel. Fitted perfectly and looked the biz

Went to my local Mazda Agent today (about 1 minute from Cheshire Oaks), well what a *loody waste of time that was!  "Our computer system only goes back the 1985 FC model - is that it he asked?" (pointing at a picture of an FC - he had seen JAZ not 2 minutes earlier which is a totally different shape from the FC and he\'s asking me is that the shape? Duuuhhhhh "I don\'t think so"  To be followed by "there\'s nothing we can do for you" - there\'s more life in a rice pudding than that dealership!

So taken my custom to another Agent in Wallasey and they are asking Mazda Japan for details and assistance on procuring the rear lower valance - information to follow.

Failing this, I\'ll be contacting Silverstone Autosport in Queensferry for their assistance - I actually said I\'d try them back in August but never found time nor reason to approach them - so all is not lost yet.
:Hammer
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on November 23, 2010, 09:04:30 PM
Hope the dealers come through for you Cliff, when I phoned the local dealer to enquire about brake lines, i think it was, and said it was 1984 rx7 he pretty much reeled in horror saying \'thats an FB isn\'t it\' then said they couldn\'t help. haha.


Thats a real shame that there\'s extra rot popping up as you dig deeper into the car, especially after it initially looked like it had been all fixed by previous owner. Hopefully thats the last of it!

I\'m somehow warming to that green! :S I\'ll almost be that she\'s lost a bit of character when its all gone:P
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 23, 2010, 09:18:37 PM
I\'ll get fixed up one way or another - even if I end up fabricating one from stainless plate myself, but would prefer a manufactured part for sure.

I\'m beginning to wonder about the previous owners idea of the welding been done - perhaps bodged up might be the comment in months to come but shall have to wait and see on that count.
As I said the other day, what **sses me off are people who simply plate over the corroded area and weld up without removing the corrosion first - what a complete and utter waste of time but then again I suppose they do this as a short term resolve and then get rid of the offending vehicle.
So the plating in the boot area for sure shall have to be removed to allow access to remove the corrosion before being re-plated with stainless material and welded properly - do a job once I say and do it right.

Sorry mate - I still hate that green with a passion.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 23, 2010, 09:44:28 PM
Thats a shame about your experience with the Mazda dealer-I\'ve got to say the guys at my local one have been spot on but I think it\'s because one of the parts blokes is old school and has fond memories of the FB\'s-especially as they had a lot of Elfords go through there being in Bournemouth and all. They also still have their original microfiche of exploded diagrams covering FB\'s which is rare-only 3 or 4 left in the UK I believe.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 23, 2010, 10:31:31 PM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;729382
Thats a shame about your experience with the Mazda dealer-I\'ve got to say the guys at my local one have been spot on but I think it\'s because one of the parts blokes is old school and has fond memories of the FB\'s-especially as they had a lot of Elfords go through there being in Bournemouth and all. They also still have their original microfiche of exploded diagrams covering FB\'s which is rare-only 3 or 4 left in the UK I believe.

That\'s gr8 news Tim, they really sound as if they know what they\'re about  - I might be asking for their details, will keep you posted.
Ta
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 24, 2010, 06:31:09 AM
The dealer I use, has to get his old mricofiche machine out, so I give him the part no, if known, and he gets back to me if its available or not, most of the time the parts have to come from Belgium, but then again I have been using this dealer for a few years now.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 24, 2010, 08:04:38 AM
Obviously a little awkward for him but at least he makes the effort for the customer.
This then leads to my next question Dibs, where can I find the part number for the rear lower valance?  I have the Black Dragon catalogue but it is not referenced there - could you help on this one at all?
Thanks
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 24, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
Sorry Cliff I can\'t help with that one, maybe David can.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 09:17:36 AM
Cliff,
Ian or i should be able to find valence part nos,we have adobe files.
I\'ll look later 4 you.
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 24, 2010, 09:29:48 AM
Stu
   Any chance of getting a copy of the adobe file ?
   Dibs
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 09:45:52 AM
Yes dibs,me or ian will sort u out.
It\'s handy going to a mazda dealership with part nos as many of them can\'t be arsed or don\'t have the info.
Only thing u have to be aware of it\'s a US parts list,most parts are the same but,mirrors,front indicators,wipers etc are different.
If Dave can post up his part nos,i\'ll cross reference it with my adobe files to see if it matches.
 
If u order the wrong part mazda won\'t refund u the money[back ordered parts].
 
Is the rear valence different in the US,ie which side of the car does the exhaust exit?
Gotta go to work now,i can look on US ebay to see exit side.
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 09:50:58 AM
It would be a good idea to list part nos on 1st gen site for future easy reference.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 24, 2010, 10:01:52 AM
Great Stu, good idear about putting on the site aswell .............
 
  Dibs
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 24, 2010, 10:42:35 AM
Thanks for the info guys - would be appreciated.
:)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: mooragerx7 on November 24, 2010, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: CHC;728989
It came to the end of daylight so back into the garage for a further prod and poke around at paint bubbles @ the n/s rear hatch channel and more corrosion found.
It has also attacked the bottom section of the n/s rear window frame so will need to remove the glass - any suggestions for the easiest removal method would be welcomed.
 
to get my ones out i used mig welding wire and 2 sets of pliers  and a lot of time oh and a pair of thick leather (like the ones lorry drivers have) gloves because you cant always get the pliers where you want them not an easy job
then when they were out used a stanley blade to clean up the rest of the bonding agent
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: mooragerx7 on November 24, 2010, 02:19:10 PM
I have left the rear valance off mine as i couldent get hold of one but then again my body kit covers up where mine should be anyway so im not that bothered im just thinking of it as weight saving :Giggle
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 24, 2010, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: mooragerx7;729522
to get my ones out i used mig welding wire and 2 sets of pliers and a lot of time oh and a pair of thick leather (like the ones lorry drivers have) gloves because you cant always get the pliers where you want them not an easy job
then when they were out used a stanley blade to clean up the rest of the bonding agent

Hi Michael - a bit a cheese wire then hmmmm... ye sounds reasonable but how did this work out with the bottom edge?  Did you start at the front and work your way to the rear?
I\'ll try this out.  At the moment (and only done this for about 1/2 hr) I am using a high speed saw blade - very slowly of course.  So the cooler evening temperature shouldn\'t really bother me if I\'m doing this - phew, can\'t wait till I\'m finished.  Fortunately the top sloping edge was not sealed for about 50% of it\'s length (which in itself will probably have made way for corrosion to start on the inside edge), this made access easier and also less to do, so just about finished the top edge.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 24, 2010, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: mooragerx7;729525
I have left the rear valance off mine as i couldent get hold of one but then again my body kit covers up where mine should be anyway so im not that bothered im just thinking of it as weight saving :Giggle

See your logic but as I intend standard finish I\'ll need one so I\'ll keep searching.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: mooragerx7 on November 24, 2010, 03:39:00 PM
i did top front to back then back to front then top front to bottom front if that make sence i dont think it matters what way you do it though
just make sure that tou have lots of mig/cheese wire as i went thought a lot
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 24, 2010, 03:57:12 PM
Quote from: syebba;729457
It would be a good idea to list part nos on 1st gen site for future easy reference.


if I get chance later this evening, I\'ll post it onto google docs along with the ebook then anyone can download it. Stu sent it to me and it\'s very useful.

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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 04:41:11 PM
That would be G8 if u could Ian,help a lot of peeps,should make it a sticky thread for easy reference.
If Mazda don\'t have any stock left Cliff,i\'m sure i\'ve seen it for sale in US or OZ,but then u have del charges/import duty/risk of damage etc.
 
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 24, 2010, 08:44:12 PM
Firstly thanks to everyone on this issue.
If I have to import, then so be it.  I have family in Aus who are prepared to help out if need be but I\'ll keep that up the proverbial sleeve as a last resort, hopefully I can procure from UK.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 24, 2010, 09:05:38 PM
Quote from: mooragerx7;729540
i did top front to back then back to front then top front to bottom front if that make sence i dont think it matters what way you do it though
just make sure that tou have lots of mig/cheese wire as i went thought a lot

Yep, makes sense. What size wire did you use \'cause I have access to 1.0mm & 1.6mm diameters (in both carbon & stainless materials) but think my preference will be 1.0mm.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 24, 2010, 09:22:10 PM
RX7 84-85 parts microfiche...

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/8485rx_parts_cover.png)

here\'s the link...



https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxBDOssc-fM8MzA0NGE2NDEtYmI2ZC00YjExLThlN2EtYTUwMGIxMWU0NmFl&sort=name&layout=list&num=50
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 09:24:22 PM
Cliff,
looked at my adobe files for 1st gen body panels.
2 panels make up the rear end,1 panel incorporating rear lights & the rear valence you require.
 
In the catalogue it\'s called
A panel skirt,Rear  
D-Code  70791A[This nos is 100% clear]
Part nos  FAO1-70-791[This nos is\'nt 100% clear,it\'s slightly smudged]
 
The exhaust outlet on US models is the same,but plz cross reference with dave to ensure you order correct part.
ta stu...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 09:25:00 PM
Haha Ian beat me to it by 2 minutes!!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 24, 2010, 09:46:33 PM
(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/pic1.jpg)

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/pic2.jpg)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 09:50:22 PM
That should be u sorted Cliff,hopefully!
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on November 24, 2010, 09:58:59 PM
Quote from: Ian65;729613
RX7 84-85 parts microfiche...
 
(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/8485rx_parts_cover.png)
 
here\'s the link...
 
 
 
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxBDOssc-fM8MzA0NGE2NDEtYmI2ZC00YjExLThlN2EtYTUwMGIxMWU0NmFl&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

you wouldn\'t happen to know of the location of an equivalent document for 1982 S2\'s would you....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 10:14:31 PM
http://www.jimrothe.com/mazda/parts_catalogs/81-83_catalogs.zip
 
:King
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 10:21:56 PM
I\'ll get it for you,i just put a link in 4 you a moment ago & it was linking back to my personal document folder!Had to delete it.
ta stu
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 24, 2010, 10:26:02 PM
RX7 81-83 parts microfiche....

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/8183rx_parts_cover.png)

here\'s the link...

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxBDOssc-fM8OGE2ZmU3NWQtOWQwYi00OTVhLTgyYTAtMWRiZGU2NjMzMWVh&sort=name&layout=list&num=50
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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 10:26:54 PM
Well done.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 24, 2010, 10:31:48 PM
How weird is that,i went to the jim rothe site pressed copy shortcut,then paste,& it linked into my personal document folder?[i did download it previously,so maybe thats why]
Still bit of a neandrathal with the inter webby.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 25, 2010, 09:29:25 AM
Quote from: Ian65;729613
RX7 84-85 parts microfiche...
 
(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/8485rx_parts_cover.png)
 
here\'s the link...
 
 
 
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxBDOssc-fM8MzA0NGE2NDEtYmI2ZC00YjExLThlN2EtYTUwMGIxMWU0NmFl&sort=name&layout=list&num=50

What an absolutely fantastic piece of kit this is! :InLove
I\'m amazed and stunned how knowledgable you guys are (you keep surpassing yourselves) and take my hat of to you (well I would if I wore one) - RESPECT!  :god

Thanks for the vital information, armed with this I shall hot tail to my local Agent and then see what they can do from here. As soon as some news is available I\'ll post it.
:cheers
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 25, 2010, 04:04:23 PM
Factory parts catalogues are essential reading for anyone seriously interested in restoring a classic car. Apart from the part numbers, they help us see how things are assembled and their relationships with other parts.
Forgot where that washer or spacer goes?...... check the parts catalogue!
I suppose really rather than clutter Cliffs thread with this stuff, we should start a new thread dedicated to these microfiches,etc.... although I might stick a page of them on my website for anyone to download from.

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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 25, 2010, 04:23:24 PM
Eventually the parts catalogues will get lost on this thread,best to start a new thread & ask a moderator to make a sticky.
 
Ian there\'s a S1 catalogue too which would be useful,though i can\'t think of anyone on mrc with a S1?
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 25, 2010, 08:55:33 PM
Quote from: syebba;729694
Eventually the parts catalogues will get lost on this thread,best to start a new thread & ask a moderator to make a sticky.
 
Ian there\'s a S1 catalogue too which would be useful,though i can\'t think of anyone on mrc with a S1?
ta stu..


I\'ve put some onto my website for download / viewing including the S1 parts microfiche...

http://www.tech-leisure.com/index_files/Page344.htm

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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 25, 2010, 11:44:15 PM
Quote from: syebba;729694
Eventually the parts catalogues will get lost on this thread,best to start a new thread & ask a moderator to make a sticky.
 
Ian there\'s a S1 catalogue too which would be useful,though i can\'t think of anyone on mrc with a S1?
ta stu..

 
Perhaps not just yet - we\'ll wait and see what Santa has to bring?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 26, 2010, 12:19:08 AM
Quote from: Ian65;729729
I\'ve put some onto my website for download / viewing including the S1 parts microfiche...
 
http://www.tech-leisure.com/index_files/Page344.htm
 
.

Nice work Ian but for some reason I can\'t open the S1 document?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 26, 2010, 12:22:01 AM
Quote from: CHC;729655
What an absolutely fantastic piece of kit this is! :InLove
I\'m amazed and stunned how knowledgable you guys are (you keep surpassing yourselves) and take my hat of to you (well I would if I wore one) - RESPECT! :god

Thanks for the vital information, armed with this I shall hot tail to my local Agent and then see what they can do from here. As soon as some news is available I\'ll post it.
:cheers

The Agents came back today saying that this part is nolonger available.
So I gave them the Part no. from the catalogue and thay have confirmed none available in the UK but have sourced one in Europe for me - now checking that it is the correct handed type.
:cool
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 26, 2010, 05:56:20 AM
Quote from: CHC;729770
The Agents came back today saying that this part is nolonger available.
So I gave them the Part no. from the catalogue and thay have confirmed none available in the UK but have sourced one in Europe for me - now checking that it is the correct handed type.
:cool


handed? they are all the same aren\'t they?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 26, 2010, 06:40:14 AM
Quote from: CHC;729769
Nice work Ian but for some reason I can\'t open the S1 document?


link fixed but you need to download it to view it. For some reason, we can\'t preview it ( maybe to do with the size.... it\'s 511 pages long)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 26, 2010, 07:55:50 AM
Quote from: Ian65;729779
link fixed but you need to download it to view it. For some reason, we can\'t preview it ( maybe to do with the size.... it\'s 511 pages long)

Fixed Ian - thanks.
Yes, apparantly it\'s above the scanning readable size so it won\'t display.
I have cross checked all 3 catalogues and the part code for the Panel Skirt Rear remains constant. My niggling concern is that perhaps the exhaust recess is positioned at the n/s with the catalogues being US & Canadian - we\'ll find out later today I hope.
Thanks for your help as ever.
:cheers
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 26, 2010, 10:04:34 AM
The exhaust is on the same side on all models for all models, the fuel tank is in the way on the other side.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 26, 2010, 11:06:09 AM
Quote from: Ian65;729800
The exhaust is on the same side on all models for all models, the fuel tank is in the way on the other side.

Well in that case it sounds good - just awaiting clarification now.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 26, 2010, 01:09:22 PM
I checked on US ebay a few days ago cliff,the exhaust outlet is on the same side as ours,so you\'ll be ok.
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 26, 2010, 01:32:13 PM
Don\'t suppose they gave you a price yet cliff?
When i\'ve ordered back ordered parts it\'s usually taken 2>3 weeks for them to arrive.
 
I remember ordering S3 centre caps for the wheels[lacquer had bubbled on old ones],none in europe,came from Japan in the end,not too bad at £15 each.
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 26, 2010, 01:44:40 PM
Hi Stu, yes Ian already gave me the thumbs up with the exhaust recess (good news but stupid me never even thought of that) so that\'s good and thanks.  Now just awaiting price details, they say it would take approx 5 working days for delivery but I\'m in no real rush as I\'ve plenty of preparation and protection to do on the underside before I consider replacing the rear valance.  The good thing is I\'ve managed to source one and again it was the MRC forum who came in with the correct details not the Agents - well done guys.
:wave
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 26, 2010, 01:54:08 PM
Wow 5 days is quick,i\'ve never got parts i\'ve ordered that quickly before,suppose it depends where the parts are coming from.
At least you can still get the valence.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 26, 2010, 08:34:56 PM
Ye if all works out with D Coding and part number and it is delivered in 10 days I would be more than happy - just need confirmation 1st that all is well.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 26, 2010, 11:27:04 PM
Well Phase 2 for the petrol tank today.
Having previously reated the rust with Trustan 23, I left it to dry and cure for almost a week - mainly because it has been too cool in the garage to cure sooner.
So had tank in work for nearly 2 days drying and today applied Hammerite Grey primer.  Now leaving to dry / cure before applying top coat of Hammerite - might even colour code it.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 26, 2010, 11:31:20 PM
I still see green.:evillaugh
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 27, 2010, 12:14:05 AM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;729980
I still see green.:evillaugh

Yes alas the dark nights and cool temperatures have not being conducive for working in the garage on cosmetic issues, so concentrating on the major issues at the moment but don\'t dispair - that green will be gone!
But nice one Inspector Tim.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 27, 2010, 08:13:41 PM
Went to top coat the petrol tank today but yesterday\'s primer coat is still tacky to touch.  So switched on the electric fan heater to help drying of the primer coat - the way the temperatures are I\'m pretty sure it won\'t even be dry for tomorrow.
:Yawn
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 28, 2010, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: CHC;730118
Went to top coat the petrol tank today but yesterday\'s primer coat is still tacky to touch. So switched on the electric fan heater to help drying of the primer coat - the way the temperatures are I\'m pretty sure it won\'t even be dry for tomorrow.
:Yawn

I was right - still tacky.
Incidentally the paint was new so there isn\'t a problem with the paint, it\'s simply too cold to enable drying/cure of the coating.
:Yawn
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 28, 2010, 05:46:43 PM
Oh dear Cliff!
I had this problem years ago,decided to paint the chassis of a dax cobra with black smoothrite in the winter in a unheated garage,it took weeks to dry.
 
I think any temp under + 3c paint won\'t dry/set.
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 28, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
Aerosol paint should be better than thick brush paint.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 28, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
Think I\'ll take it to work and find a nice warm corner so it dries and cures.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 29, 2010, 08:17:20 AM
Hot News off the press - Mazda have confirmed that the Rear Valance panel part number is correct for Goldie so I\'ll be ordering this today, just need a price now.
:)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 29, 2010, 12:27:05 PM
Quote from: CHC;730326
Hot News off the press - Mazda have confirmed that the Rear Valance panel part number is correct for Goldie so I\'ll be ordering this today, just need a price now.
:)

Rear Valance panel now ordered and paid for = £41. I anticipate delivery/receipt next week from Europe

Ordered as:-
D Code No. 70 791A
Description Panel Skirt. Rear
Part No. FA01-70-791
 
:Thumbs-up:)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on November 29, 2010, 12:29:33 PM
At £40 I\'m half tempted myself!!

Hmmm wonder if I can get the upper suspension link side plates brand new..... or some outer sill sections...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 29, 2010, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;730358
At £40 I\'m half tempted myself!!
 
Hmmm wonder if I can get the upper suspension link side plates brand new..... or some outer sill sections...

From the price posted for a similar purchase some 2 yrs ago, I was expecting a 3 figure sum (although really the part shouldn\'t increase in price as it was last produced in the 20th century - boy it sounds weird saying that) so defintely overjoyed with this price.

Armed with the detail extracted from the Parts Catalogue as supplied by Ian - thank you - I\'m sure if you were to approx a Mazda dealership they would possibly look into this for you.  If you can\'t find one here are the details for my supplier:-
Windsors of Wallasey
Tel: 0151 639 8600
Parts Dept. Alan Brown
email info@windsorsparts.co.uk (info@windsorsparts.co.uk)
Best of luck if you decide to go this route.

Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 29, 2010, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;730358
At £40 I\'m half tempted myself!!
 
Hmmm wonder if I can get the upper suspension link side plates brand new..... or some outer sill sections...

I actually knocked out my own sill sections from stainless steel plate when I did JAZ - quite easy really.

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on November 29, 2010, 01:51:29 PM
Nicely done Cliff!

I shall use your method for inspiration (read copy you :P)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 29, 2010, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;730375
Nicely done Cliff!
 
I shall use your method for inspiration (read copy you :P)

Just remember Steve, if you use stainless material, you need to use a dissimilar welding consumable - this minimises any potential cracking.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on November 29, 2010, 05:28:52 PM
Cliff,
£41 thats a bargain,i expected £150 approx.
Does that inc vat as well?
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on November 29, 2010, 06:43:26 PM
Thats impressive it is still sat in a warehouse safe and dry waiting for someone to buy it. Nice stainless work there by the way Cliff.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on November 29, 2010, 07:30:57 PM
That\'s a very good price Cliff... I paid around £80 for the one I bought although that was back in 1997!

So they are now going to supply the part that they reckoned wasn\'t available! It\'s a strange world when a bunch of self taught enthusiasts on a forum are more knowledgeable and better informed than the main dealer.

Given that the car has been out of production for 25 years and many mechanics trained on them have probably moved on ( plus only certain dealers were allowed to sell and work on on them in the 1st place) I bet there is more knowledge re. 1st gens in this club than there is to be found at Mazda main dealerships these days.

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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 30, 2010, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: Ian65;730434
That\'s a very good price Cliff... I paid around £80 for the one I bought although that was back in 1997!
 
So they are now going to supply the part that they reckoned wasn\'t available! It\'s a strange world when a bunch of self taught enthusiasts on a forum are more knowledgeable and better informed than the main dealer.
 
Given that the car has been out of production for 25 years and many mechanics trained on them have probably moved on ( plus only certain dealers were allowed to sell and work on on them in the 1st place) I bet there is more knowledge re. 1st gens in this club than there is to be found at Mazda main dealerships these days.
 
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My sentiments entirely - didn\'t I say something very similar the other month when I threw my toys out over another topic?

When I approached my local agent on this particular part, I was very precise with my description and they forwarded this to "Mazda Japan" who gave it a different part number all together (probably turns out it was a part number for a nissan micra or something else totally different) so it was no wonder it wasn\'t available.
I\'ve said this before and don\'t mind repeating myself - \'the knowledge and expertise available within the forum members is incredible and it is only due to the dedication and thoroughness of these members that faciliate others to repair, replace, restore and maintain these special cars\'.  Everybody congratulate yourselves and those who provide the engineering & technical detail together with other vital and very useful information to support and benefit us - the forum members.
:Thumbs-up:Thumbs-up:Thumbs-up
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 30, 2010, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: syebba;730409
Cliff,
£41 thats a bargain,i expected £150 approx.
Does that inc vat as well?
ta stu..

Total price including VAT & delivery £41.04 - an absolute bargin in anyones books I\'d say.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 30, 2010, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;730423
Thats impressive it is still sat in a warehouse safe and dry waiting for someone to buy it. Nice stainless work there by the way Cliff.

I\'d like to think that somebody \'up there\' is watching over me and realised that I\'d need one (so they put my name on it) - must thank them when I see them in say 90 years - I wish.

Thought I\'d do the job once in stainless - should outlive me and probably the car too. :rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on November 30, 2010, 11:22:13 AM
The stainless part might, but the part it\'s welded to probley will not .................ie the rest of the car :rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 30, 2010, 12:01:22 PM
Quote from: A7RXY;730536
The stainless part might, but the part it\'s welded to probley will not .................ie the rest of the car :rollin

In which case I\'ll be a busy happy chappy for the next 40 years replacing all the other bits with stainless.  I\'ve got to leave something behind when I go - apart from unpaid bills that is.:Laugh
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on November 30, 2010, 11:50:22 PM
Quote from: CHC;730273
Think I\'ll take it to work and find a nice warm corner so it dries and cures.

Didn\'t take the petrol tank to work - the boss said that I could dry it in the kitchen corner by the radiator! Aye, only \'cause Goldie is for her - bet it would be a different story if it was for mine.
Anyhow, primer coating now dry and cured so this evening I\'ve applied the top coat to the underside of the tank - I\'ve colour coordinated it to match the gold body. Photos to follow. Oh yes (should have mentioned) painted in the kitchen too I would add - beats being in the garage or outside in the snow!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on November 30, 2010, 11:55:10 PM
I might have parents that helped me put my rx in the garden but painting in the kitchen is another level :P

Gold fuel tank would look quite \'bling\' shame its kinda hidden under the car! What gold paint have you found thats a good match?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 01, 2010, 08:23:01 AM
Quote from: Steve-A;730676
I might have parents that helped me put my rx in the garden but painting in the kitchen is another level :P
 
Gold fuel tank would look quite \'bling\' shame its kinda hidden under the car! What gold paint have you found thats a good match?

Painting in the kitchen Steve - one in a million mate.

Colour match is hammerite Copper - I\'ve taken photo this morning but can\'t download till I get in from work tonight. Thinking of just the underside to colour match with the upper side in black & waxoyled.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 01, 2010, 08:41:21 AM
Just had a phone call to advise my \'rear skirt\' body panel is at the dealership for collection - now that\'s what I call good service, ordered Monday & deliverd from Europe within 2 days.
:)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 01, 2010, 11:15:51 PM
Here is a photo of the petrol tank after colour match painted - looks better than black I think.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 01, 2010, 11:18:30 PM
Well, rear skirt panel collected and yes it is the correct part and it fits.

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on December 01, 2010, 11:33:06 PM
Good idea to colour match the lower part of tank as it\'s visible from the rear.
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 01, 2010, 11:37:36 PM
Quote from: syebba;730833
Good idea to colour match the lower part of tank as it\'s visible from the rear.
ta stu..

Hence my thought for doing it this way.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on December 02, 2010, 08:34:39 AM
Just out of interest cliff,when you respray exterior body panels,how are you going to get a match,think your colour is maya gold?Does mazda still do paint or will you get some mixed at supplier?
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 02, 2010, 08:56:26 AM
Quote from: syebba;730855
Just out of interest cliff,when you respray exterior body panels,how are you going to get a match,think your colour is maya gold?Does mazda still do paint or will you get some mixed at supplier?
ta stu..

Depending upon the amount of spraying required, there\'s a supplier in Chester who mixes specific colour to the old colour charts (but due to the change to water based colours this is becoming more difficuult, as the new range of colours do not match precisely to the oil based products).
I may otherwise consider a complete respray at a local body shop - which will cost more than a few bob I reckon (for those younger persons I mean 5 pence). :Hammer  Still, all in a good cause I say.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on December 02, 2010, 01:06:04 PM
Quote from: CHC;730823
Here is a photo of the petrol tank after colour match painted - looks better than black I think.

Been into Kwikfit and jacked up on the tank at some time Cliff? Best left now as you have done.

When I go for MOT\'s I take some rubber pads with me to stop his jacking gear contacting the chassis. The MOT man thinks I\'m great (but slightly deranged) taking them along with me.

He always passes them back to me with a grin though as he issues the certificate.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 02, 2010, 01:57:10 PM
Quote from: David Nock;730885
Been into Kwikfit and jacked up on the tank at some time Cliff? Best left now as you have done.
 
When I go for MOT\'s I take some rubber pads with me to stop his jacking gear contacting the chassis. The MOT man thinks I\'m great (but slightly deranged) taking them along with me.
 
He always passes them back to me with a grin though as he issues the certificate.

Agree Dave - I\'m not one for lifting at the chassis without some form of protection to stop the \'steel to steel\' contact. In fact I always jack at front cross member before supporting on axle stands and at rear diff, again then axle stands.

As for the \'jacking point impression\' on the tank - definitely leave it be. If metal is pushed in and as long as it has not creased, you can normally push it back within the 1st 24 hrs - after that time you should leave well alone.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 05, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
Well have to admit \'the weather beat me this weekend\' :o so I replaced the door cards on JAZ instead.  The previous set had a minor cosmetic problem with the drivers door card but this now corrected.
 
Have started an attempt to cut throught the bonding on the nearside rear window and boy is it tough.  In saying this I\'ve done 95% of the top trim and about 55% of the bottom so fingers crossed (and sore with using wire to cut) will complete this week.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 07, 2010, 09:33:37 PM
Managed to get the top side of the petrol tank painted this evening - this time using hammerite \'gold\' (well actually it is more of a brassy gold rather than the coppery gold of the car) but the colour differential doesn\'t make any difference because I\'ll finish the top side with underseal before I refit it.  I\'ll take and post pics tomorrow - should mention painted in the kitchen again :Nono! (god bless the boss - she who breathes fire).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on December 07, 2010, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: CHC;731790
(god bless the boss - she who breathes fire).


don\'t let her near the petrol tank then, best if she waits out in the garage till you\'ve finished!!!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on December 07, 2010, 09:37:55 PM
Sounds like steady progress Cliff. We need more pictures, you can never have too many pictures :P
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 07, 2010, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: Ian65;731792
don\'t let her near the petrol tank then, best if she waits out in the garage till you\'ve finished!!!

If I tried that Ian I\'d be in the kennel for the rest of my life - funny, I don\'t recall having a dog either?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 07, 2010, 09:55:35 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;731794
Sounds like steady progress Cliff. We need more pictures, you can never have too many pictures :P

Deffo Steve, totally agree.
Trouble is my Rangie has had a battery problem for the last week - only 15 months old (the battery that is) and it has let me down 3 times in 7 days and yesterday moning was the final straw. So I\'ve spent the past 2 days trying to resolve this with the agents who have said bring the car to us and they\'ll charge it and then test it - is it just me?  How can I get it there if I can\'t start the damn thing in the first place!  My point here is that instead of working on Goldie I\'ve wasted time trying to get the Rangie started - oops forgot to say that even though I\'d charged the battery, although the engine cranked it refused to fire up (I think an electronic/alarm/immobiliser problem).
But the best is yet to come now, I went to JAZ and she fired up 1st turn of the key - speaks volumes to me for a 27 year old car against an all singing and dancing Rangie that doesn\'t start and both kept in the same conditions.

So all things being equal I\'ll be able to start back on Goldie tomorrow.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on December 07, 2010, 10:22:03 PM
Crazy things batteries. I thought I killed the one in my mx5 last winter while I was having megasquirt problems, did quite a few mornings of full charge, crank for 5 mins then flat till it was only giving me 20 secs of cranking from a full charge. So bought a new one in January and over the last few weeks its been weaker and weaker at starting. Two days ago it was flat when I came to start the car, dropped the old battery in thats just sat in the shed for the last 11 months and it fired right up and has been fine since. :S

Sounds like JAZ should be the daily drive if she\'s more reliable than the rangie :P
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 08, 2010, 12:43:54 PM
Firstly my apology but I\'ve mislaid a thread about the availability of part nos. 70270 & 71270 - left & right sills.

Just been notified from the agents that these are still available with a price tag of £91.54 each and would be on a back order if required - so there\'s a surprise!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on December 08, 2010, 01:13:54 PM
are these the outer sills?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 08, 2010, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: Ian65;731879
are these the outer sills?

Yes Ian - interested?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on December 08, 2010, 01:45:24 PM
Outer sills still available,25 years later & rear valences,surprising!
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on December 08, 2010, 01:50:33 PM
I thought the rear valence was still available but didn\'t think we could still get genuine outer sills. we had a discussion about their availability on here last year and the prevailing view was that there weren\'t any.
That\'s good news that they are still available.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on December 08, 2010, 01:52:29 PM
Yep ian rear valences & sills still available.
Wonder what else they\'ve got?
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on December 08, 2010, 01:55:35 PM
When i had the s1,i found sills still available in OZ,they told me mazda had no stock of them left & were discontinued years ago!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 08, 2010, 03:21:52 PM
Quote from: syebba;731891
When i had the s1,i found sills still available in OZ,they told me mazda had no stock of them left & were discontinued years ago!

 
Don\'t know what it is about the Mazda philosophy - unless they are given the part numbers, D Codes & descriptions as per the relevant Parts Catalogue, they just say not available and don\'t want to know.
So its only due to the tenacity of forum members whom have dug, researched and acquired parts catalogues through the years that has enabled this niche forum (us) to specify correct namings and numerical sequences to faciliate Mazda to do their daily duties properly and give accurate answers.
So well done guys - you know who you are. :yes
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on December 08, 2010, 03:54:36 PM
Quote from: CHC;731897
Don\'t know what it is about the Mazda philosophy - unless they are given the part numbers, D Codes & descriptions as per the relevant Parts Catalogue, they just say not available and don\'t want to know.
Quote


I suppose there\'s no profit in it anymore and no profit = can\'t be arsed
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on December 08, 2010, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: CHC;731897
Don\'t know what it is about the Mazda philosophy - unless they are given the part numbers, D Codes & descriptions as per the relevant Parts Catalogue, they just say not available and don\'t want to know.
So its only due to the tenacity of forum members whom have dug, researched and acquired parts catalogues through the years that has enabled this niche forum (us) to specify correct namings and numerical sequences to faciliate Mazda to do their daily duties properly and give accurate answers.
So well done guys - you know who you are. :yes

Yep some mazda dealerships are lazy,the sills i found in OZ were from phils rotaries & fast fours,i was told NLA[no longer available & discontinued].
 
If you go to your local mazda with part nos they should help,hopefully!
Everythings NLA unless you give them a part nos.
 
I even asked about rear gas struts for tailgate from mazda UK,these are deffo NLA.
 
Mazda seem to have some old/new stock available,surprising given the age of 1st gens.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on December 08, 2010, 08:00:59 PM
Oh yeah,brake master cylinders,i\'m sure i got a brake master cylinder repair kit from mazda too,so it\'s worth checking for availability & price on an item you require.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 08, 2010, 10:52:46 PM
Quote from: CHC;730823
Here is a photo of the petrol tank after colour match painted - looks better than black I think.
(http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49858&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1291245332) (http://www.mazdarotaryclub.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49858&d=1291245332)
 
Now the top side painted - this time in Gold Hammerite paint (but not my idea of a gold colour).
When this is dried and cured I\'ll finish the top side off with underseal and then park it up in storage until it is refitted in the spring.  Inbetween time I\'ll be tackling the underside of the car and replacing the rear skirt panel (valance).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 13, 2010, 07:29:02 PM
Managed to get some spare time today so back to work.

Photo 117 - Cut out the old rear valance.
Photo 118 & 119 - Dressed tack welds and removed corroded paint/metal.
Photo 120, 121 & 122 - Offered new valance into place for trial fit.
Photo 125, 126 & 127 - Bare metal cleaned and pre-treated with \'Trustan 23\' (in preparation for primer coating tomorrow).

Moving again at last.
:Thumbs-up
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 13, 2010, 07:41:47 PM
Whilst waiting for the \'Trustan 23\' to dry for the rear valance, went back to removing the side window seal so nearside window can be extracted - managed to free both the bottom (horizontal) and diagonal legs.  Now working on the vertical leg (last one thank goodness).
I tried using the MIG wire in \'cheese wire\' motion but takes for ever so resorted to using a hacksaw blade (in reverse direction) so I was cutting with the reverse stroke.  This cut through the sealer better but still takes quite some time.
Having managed to free the diagonal leg I now understand why the rust found it\'s way in to the bottom of the hatch window section -rust has taken hold in the diagonal metal so this needs to be removed when the window is out.  More photos to follow when window extracted.

:(
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 13, 2010, 09:14:15 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;731810
Crazy things batteries. I thought I killed the one in my mx5 last winter while I was having megasquirt problems, did quite a few mornings of full charge, crank for 5 mins then flat till it was only giving me 20 secs of cranking from a full charge. So bought a new one in January and over the last few weeks its been weaker and weaker at starting. Two days ago it was flat when I came to start the car, dropped the old battery in thats just sat in the shed for the last 11 months and it fired right up and has been fine since. :S
 
Sounds like JAZ should be the daily drive if she\'s more reliable than the rangie :P

Looks as though the battery issue with my Rangie just might be due to an alarm / electronic problem. Hopefully could find out more tomorrow/Wednesday.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 13, 2010, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: syebba;731935
Oh yeah,brake master cylinders,i\'m sure i got a brake master cylinder repair kit from mazda too,so it\'s worth checking for availability & price on an item you require.

Have given a list to agent for various parts Stu and already had a few NLA\'s - one particular being the petrol tank sender unit although the sender gasket is available (£3.14 I think).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on December 14, 2010, 01:42:31 AM
Quote from: CHC;732580
Have given a list to agent for various parts Stu and already had a few NLA\'s - one particular being the petrol tank sender unit although the sender gasket is available (£3.14 I think).


Atkins rotary have genuine mazda senders in stock...

the standard s2 & s3 sender

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-Rx7-Rx-7-1981-1983-NEW-Fuel-Level-Sensor-/230456533589?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a847a255

plus the GSL-SE sender with low fuel light sensor...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-Rx7-Rx-7-1981-1983-NEW-Fuel-Level-Sensor-/230456533589?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a847a255

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Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on December 14, 2010, 09:34:47 AM
Ouch thats a shame about the window Cliff!

Alarms = more trouble than their worth especially on older cars in my opinion. Hope you get it sorted :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on December 14, 2010, 09:46:32 AM
Quote from: CHC;732560
Whilst waiting for the \'Trustan 23\' to dry for the rear valance, went back to removing the side window seal so nearside window can be extracted - managed to free both the bottom (horizontal) and diagonal legs.  Now working on the vertical leg (last one thank goodness).
I tried using the MIG wire in \'cheese wire\' motion but takes for ever so resorted to using a hacksaw blade (in reverse direction) so I was cutting with the reverse stroke.  This cut through the sealer better but still takes quite some time.
Having managed to free the diagonal leg I now understand why the rust found it\'s way in to the bottom of the hatch window section -rust has taken hold in the diagonal metal so this needs to be removed when the window is out.  More photos to follow when window extracted.
 
:(


well done getting that glass out intact Cliff... they\'re a sod!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 14, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
Quote from: Ian65;732625
Atkins rotary have genuine mazda senders in stock...
 
the standard s2 & s3 sender
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-Rx7-Rx-7-1981-1983-NEW-Fuel-Level-Sensor-/230456533589?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a847a255
 
plus the GSL-SE sender with low fuel light sensor...
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mazda-Rx7-Rx-7-1981-1983-NEW-Fuel-Level-Sensor-/230456533589?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item35a847a255
 
.

Now that\'s a good shout on the \'Sender\' Ian - shall bear this in mind, Ta
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 14, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
Quote from: Ian65;732649
well done getting that glass out intact Cliff... they\'re a sod!

Not quite there yet Ian - sorry if my wording was ambiguous (now that\'s a good word for a Tuesday evening), still working on the vertical leg nearest the door.

I\'ve managed to cut through the seal working from the inside going forwards (my guess about 50% through it\'s depth) but feels as if I\'ve hit metal.  I now think that the outer steel protector (on the glass) actually wraps around the glass so there is a hidden lip on the backside - is this correct?
I need to move the blade between this lip and the body so I can finish the job and yes it is a stubborn sod too.
The glass now rocks up and down (with a little force) so I know I\'m almost there but somehow need to cut through the final section of seal.  I\'ll stick at it.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on December 14, 2010, 11:01:51 PM
Ran out of the trustan 23 rust preventative product and haven\'t been able to trace it so I bought another product today - \'Jenolite\'.  This is currently used by the navy and also ship repair yards for treating corroded areas - better than hammerite and associated products I\'ve found.
This can be costly but managed to find a seller shipping 2 x 500ml bottles for £13.75 with free p+p, here is the link

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260663809178&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 02:43:18 PM
Now that the feastive season is over it\'s about time I got back to honest graft on Goldie - actually I\'ve done some work but finding it difficult in the current garage.  So I\'m moving her back to my own garage and putting \'RAZ\' into the other so work can commence.
I\'ll post some photos of work done recently to the rear underside.
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 02:44:35 PM
Oh - managed to pick up another glass roof from eBay yesterday for Goldie, got to have her looking her best for when she is finished.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 07:57:53 PM
Well I thought I\'d have a start at the underside of rear end so out can the rotary wire cup brush and drill on the nearside (just forward of the rear lights) and then found heavy corossion.  Remembering that the advert for the car originally stated that all welding had been done?
What had actually happened was the corrossion had been identified.  So rather than cut it out some \'bright spark\' decided to hide it with a steel plate and weld it in.  Then to compound the issue neither the new plate or original area had been trreated to stop the rust and so I\'ve finished up with this (1st photo)

So I ground the plate off from inside the boot area and the evidence is (2nd photo)

Then to finish off temporarily have treated the rust with Jenolite and primed (3rd photo) until I get round to cutting the section out and inserting a stainless plate and welding up.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 08:02:20 PM
Then I continued onto the offside - same area and have a guess what?  Yep similar issue but on a smaller scale (phew).
Only this time I haven\'t yet cut out the so called \'new metal\' but have treated the underside in preparation.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
Then progressed to cleaning the complete rear underside
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on January 17, 2011, 08:10:58 PM
Thats a real shame that someones basically just made life harder for you by doing such a botch job!

I guess the only thing you can say is its a good job you\'re doing this properly or some of that rot would be well hidden and fester away until the car became too far gone to bother with.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 08:17:22 PM
priming.......
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 08:24:29 PM
primer sealer ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 08:31:06 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;737422
Thats a real shame that someones basically just made life harder for you by doing such a botch job!
 
I guess the only thing you can say is its a good job you\'re doing this properly or some of that rot would be well hidden and fester away until the car became too far gone to bother with.

 
Which is why others say \'it\'s better to get a body that hasn\'t been welded rather than a bodged one\' - hmmmm.... begining to think that I might have the latter.  Ho hum, never mind, better to find it now so that I can rectify it.
Despite this, the body is more solid than it sounds and I\'d be a liar - no darn stupid if I said I didn\'t expect to find some on a 95000 mile car.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 08:37:34 PM
I\'ve also removed the rear brake calipers from their discs, quickly cleaned and then retracted the wheel pistons just to establish that they are free and serviceable - satisfactory.
So my intentions are to replace parts as may be necessary and paint calipers and check condition of discs before progressing further in these areas - photos to follow (none taken yet).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on January 17, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
Lots of good progress there Cliff... it\'s always a mare putting someone elses bodges right. I wonder if there are any useful \'repair\' panels in that stash of S2 parts in London... probably easier to cut some out of old parts than fab your own.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 17, 2011, 11:56:23 PM
Quote from: Ian65;737456
Lots of good progress there Cliff... it\'s always a mare putting someone elses bodges right. I wonder if there are any useful \'repair\' panels in that stash of S2 parts in London... probably easier to cut some out of old parts than fab your own.

1stly it\'s all part of the challenge owning a classic I suppose.
As for useful panels, I\'ve got a couple of spare doors already but actually prefer re-plating with S/S as I know this is sound metal with a little bit extra in thickness/gauge  and although it makes the job a bit more difficult, there\'s something to be proud of to turn around and say "yeh, I made that piece" - good thought though.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 21, 2011, 10:24:28 PM
Today I decided to resolve the issue over limited access in the garage.  So I swapped \'Goldie\' with \'RAZ\' so they are both in different garages.
Sounds easy in principle but remember neither of the cars could be driven under their own steam.  \'RAZ\' had to be towed up the road in reverse,  Goldie pushed into the road (very easy as I\'d taken out the brake pads) and had to slip into gear to prevent her from rolling into the marsh/river down at the bottom of the road.  \'RAZ\' pushed into the drive and parked up.  Goldie rolled down the road by me and the Dragon and pushed into her new home for the next six months (less if i can achieve this).  Then finally pushing \'RAZ\' into her new garage to hibernate until Goldie is finished - PHEW, need a rest now to recover. :Snoring

So tomorrow is the start of a new era - Goldie Time!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Silverstone Autosport on January 21, 2011, 10:44:38 PM
WE have some news the group B is going on a road trip , Legend Boucles de Spa in belgium .
Friday 18 February 2011 to Saturday 19 February 2011.....
 
But something a bit closer to home the rotary escort is taking part in the north west stages on the 6th and 7th of feb.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Silverstone Autosport on January 21, 2011, 11:03:13 PM
sorry cliff posted in wrong place , can a mod delete above please..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 24, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
Goldie settled into her new home and teamed up with \'JAZ\' for a bit of company.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 24, 2011, 10:37:00 PM
Started with the rear bumper yesterday - boy were those bolts tight despite soaking them with wd40 for hours.  The main bolts (14mm nuts) eventually came loose but the 10mm ones just sheared (see a few photos).  Not surprised with this result as it seemed the previous owner had stored the bumper in a compost heap - full of rotted leaves, spiders webs, soil etc:  So I\'ve abraded the steel framework with rotary wired brush/cup type then pretreated the bare metal and later on coated with a good hammerite primer - photos to follow.


Then I stripped down the front bumper  hmmmm..... the offside section of the steel framework is beyond repair so I\'ll need to soucre a replacement - hopefully I already know of one in the midlands.  Thinking about it, can anybody tell me whether the end pieces of the framework are available separately ? (pictures to follow as batteries drained).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 26, 2011, 09:58:45 PM
Rear bumper now primed ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 26, 2011, 10:03:39 PM
Front bumper stripped for action - not as pretty sight really.

Can the outer sections be purchased separately?

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 26, 2011, 10:08:50 PM
Further coats applied to rear bumper framework ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on January 26, 2011, 10:11:43 PM
I doubt it... it\'s probably best to source a good second hand bumper bar from a scrapper.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 26, 2011, 10:16:07 PM
In between, setting up in preparation to continue with the underneath cleaning and pretreatment ...  
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on January 27, 2011, 12:51:32 PM
You\'re doing well Cliff....no overspray at all on that kitchen table, your lady will be well pleased.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on January 27, 2011, 09:22:33 PM
Good stuff Cliff! Making pretty good headway there, makes me feel really slack for moving at the pace I am!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 27, 2011, 10:01:24 PM
Quote from: David Nock;739242
You\'re doing well Cliff....no overspray at all on that kitchen table, your lady will be well pleased.

What you don\'t see is the dragon behind the camera with a duster and polish - oh and that\'s to hand to me after I\'ve finished.:evillaugh
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 27, 2011, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;739309
Good stuff Cliff! Making pretty good headway there, makes me feel really slack for moving at the pace I am!

No way Steve - I\'ve only been able to put in a few hrs here & there.  After the work you\'ve been doing recently mate you can be excused for a break now & again.

I need to get down to it as there\'s a fair amount to be done on the underside - hard graft & elbow grease I think rather than full blown restoration.
I think I\'ll have to replace all the bushes though - how are yours coming along?  Was it a good buy from Respeed?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 27, 2011, 10:10:01 PM
Quote from: Ian65;739150
I doubt it... it\'s probably best to source a good second hand bumper bar from a scrapper.

My thoughts too Ian.  Stu in Tamworth has one fo me, so hopefully it will be half decent and i can strip it and restore the frame.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on January 27, 2011, 10:22:15 PM
Quote from: CHC;739323
No way Steve - I\'ve only been able to put in a few hrs here & there.  After the work you\'ve been doing recently mate you can be excused for a break now & again.
 
I need to get down to it as there\'s a fair amount to be done on the underside - hard graft & elbow grease I think rather than full blown restoration.
I think I\'ll have to replace all the bushes though - how are yours coming along?  Was it a good buy from Respeed?


No sign of the bushes yet. I\'m guessing it might be a while till they show, can take almost a fortnight for royal snail to deliver a note saying \'please pay import tax\' sometimes :( I\'ll let you know how they are when they arrive!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 27, 2011, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;739331
No sign of the bushes yet. I\'m guessing it might be a while till they show, can take almost a fortnight for royal snail to deliver a note saying \'please pay import tax\' sometimes :( I\'ll let you know how they are when they arrive!

Fair play - just hope it doesn\'t snow here too otherwise the extra delay would be caused by the wrong type of snow :rollin:rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on January 28, 2011, 03:02:03 AM
Quote from: Steve-A;739331
No sign of the bushes yet. I\'m guessing it might be a while till they show, can take almost a fortnight for royal snail to deliver a note saying \'please pay import tax\' sometimes :( I\'ll let you know how they are when they arrive!

Royal snail are a joke.
Ian & i ordered oz spec mirrors from the same guy,sent out more or less same time from oz.Ian got his 1st & from memory had to pay import duty,mine turned up 6 weeks later,but i paid no import tax???
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on January 28, 2011, 03:06:10 AM
Quote from: CHC;739335
Fair play - just hope it doesn\'t snow here too otherwise the extra delay would be caused by the wrong type of snow :rollin:rollin

Haha,yeah our snow is unique,it\'s white & sometimes settles on the ground!
Just seen on msn,2010 globally was one of the hottest years on record,EXCEPT UK,it was the 12th coldest on record!:Giggle
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 30, 2011, 05:10:25 PM
Took the middle section of the exhaust and the heat shield out this weekend, this was to enable full access to the underside to determine it\'s general condition.  Great find - apart from one area, the underside of the offside floor pan is in pretty good condition :):)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 30, 2011, 05:14:45 PM
Had a bit of a dig - well actually a bloody good poke around to make sure I would be taking all of the effected area out, this was the result.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 30, 2011, 05:30:45 PM
Having cleaned up the areas I then primed them in preparation for the big underside paint job - once the small amonut of welding has been completed
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on January 30, 2011, 05:31:50 PM
After all the hidden rust you\'ve found else where thats really good news Cliff :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 30, 2011, 05:40:12 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;739683
After all the hidden rust you\'ve found else where thats really good news Cliff :)

Sure is Steve, I\'m just glad really that nobody had tried to repair this before I got to it - makes my task a lot easier.
I dare say that I\'ll find something similar with the nearside when i get round to it (hopefully next month).

When I repair it I\'ll do it in two sections, inner side 1st and then the outer skin to finish it and put the rigidity back in.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on January 30, 2011, 09:32:44 PM
Also managed to drill out the sheared 10mm bolts from the rear bumper today and then re-tapped holes so hangar brackets will secure properly when tightened up in place (picture before drilling out bolt)



Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 02, 2011, 09:38:34 PM
Managed to put a hammerite primer coat to the offside rear wheelarch and underbody towards to drivers footwell.  A little more to finish off behind the exhaust heatshield section and then I can put metal inserts where the body has lost it\'s metallic structure - weld up the holy bits.
 

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on February 02, 2011, 09:42:58 PM
cleaning up well Cliff!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 02, 2011, 11:12:12 PM
Being truthful Ian, despite the areas where rust wasn\'t taken out and thus creating additional corrosion problems, I\'m very pleased with the general condition of the underside up to now.  The earlier photographs which I posted of the underbody consisted of artificial background lighting which automatically lends towards sepia colouring and therefore you never get a true sense of reality.  So to a degree the previous shots made it look a little worse than it actually was.
When I was working on \'JAZ\' I was using hand wire brushes with lots of elbow grease but with Goldie I\'m using rotary wire brushes (both cup type and flat) and it is so much easier and quicker than the old fashioned but traditional method.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on February 03, 2011, 09:58:47 AM
Those rotary wire brushes really are life savers! I dread to think how long I\'d have spent wire brushing without mine.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 03, 2011, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Steve-A;740419
Those rotary wire brushes really are life savers! I dread to think how long I\'d have spent wire brushing without mine.

Took me almost a day to do one side of JAZ last year (complete with blisters and scrape marks and sore knuckles - rotary power any day for me (excuse the PUN it was intended) :rollin:rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 07, 2011, 09:48:35 AM
had next to no time working on Goldie this weekend but did manage to grind out the inserted plate in the rear offside of the boot area.  This has exposed the rust lurking underneath which should have been removed before the plate was welded into place.  Never mind, I take a few fotos and put them up.

The only other thing which happened this weekend was the glass sunroof was delivered ..... :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 08, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
Following on from the recent discussions between Steve, Ian, Tim, Dibs, Dave, Keith and other forum members (plse forgive me if I haven\'t mentioned you by name) on the purchase of Polyurethane Full Bush Kits, I\'ve ordered a full set of SuperPro tonight from a company in Bridgewater (UK).
I\'ve managed to negotiate a discount price, which the company tell me shall extend for all MRC members - price delivered £215 and are available on the self.
:D
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 08, 2011, 11:43:32 PM
Quote from: CHC;741471
Following on from the recent discussions between Steve, Ian, Tim, Dibs, Dave, Keith and other forum members (plse forgive me if I haven\'t mentioned you by name) on the purchase of Polyurethane Full Bush Kits, I\'ve ordered a full set of SuperPro tonight from a company in Bridgewater (UK).
I\'ve managed to negotiate a discount price, which the company tell me shall extend for all MRC members - price delivered £215 and are available on the self.
:D

 
And Stu ....
Also forgot to mention that these bushes are guaranteed for 3 years or 36,000 miles - I consider this a great deal.
:Thumbs-up
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on February 09, 2011, 07:11:49 AM
Do we know if Ian and SteveA have got their kits from the US ?, if so are they happy with them and did they get charged VAT when they came in. if so I wonder what the actural cost is getting them from the US compared with the UK price of £215.
 
   Dibs
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 09, 2011, 08:29:24 AM
Quote from: A7RXY;741506
Do we know if Ian and SteveA have got their kits from the US ?, if so are they happy with them and did they get charged VAT when they came in. if so I wonder what the actural cost is getting them from the US compared with the UK price of £215.
 
Dibs

I was chatting with Steve-A yesterday, approx £170 (but unsure as they haven\'t arrived in UK yet) customer satisfaction to be determined when received.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 09, 2011, 12:02:07 PM
Bush kit ordered and paid for - being sent out today so I might see it for the weekend.:mmmm
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on February 09, 2011, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: CHC;741515
I was chatting with Steve-A yesterday, approx £170 (but unsure as they haven\'t arrived in UK yet) customer satisfaction to be determined when received.


Where\'s 170 quid come from?
They are $185 shipped.... Approx £120
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 09, 2011, 01:07:30 PM
Quote from: Ian65;741544
Where\'s 170 quid come from?
They are $185 shipped.... Approx £120

I\'ll PM you.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 09, 2011, 08:47:25 PM
Quote from: Ian65;741544
Where\'s 170 quid come from?
They are $185 shipped.... Approx £120

Just to clarify guys, cost of £170 is for purchase and delivery for one person from usa to uk.  Any multiple buyers could share import/transit costs and would therefore make further monetary savings.  My apology if I have misled anybody on this issue.
:o
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on February 09, 2011, 09:21:01 PM
£170 is worse case scenario if duty and vat get\'s charged.... purchase and shipping only is £130 for one person purchasing... as above, less if shipping is combined.
I looked at Superpro, both importing them and buying them in the Uk but was put off by the price and I had also read on a couple of threads that the \'full kit\' was purchased but then additional bushes had to be bought to make it a true full kit. Maybe these instances were \'one offs\' but they put me off buying at the time.
At the end of the day, poly is poly and all poly bushes for the 1st gen are a rip off no matter where they come from or who they are made by.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: ossie747 on February 09, 2011, 09:44:04 PM
Sorry for interupting your thread Cliff. Ian, I emailed you yesterday, just wanted to make sure you received it ok?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 09, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
Quote from: Ian65;741658
£170 is worse case scenario if duty and vat get\'s charged.... purchase and shipping only is £130 for one person purchasing... as above, less if shipping is combined.
I looked at Superpro, both importing them and buying them in the Uk but was put off by the price and I had also read on a couple of threads that the \'full kit\' was purchased but then additional bushes had to be bought to make it a true full kit. Maybe these instances were \'one offs\' but they put me off buying at the time.
At the end of the day, poly is poly and all poly bushes for the 1st gen are a rip off no matter where they come from or who they are made by.

Must agree with you on this.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 09, 2011, 10:57:27 PM
Quote from: CHC;741159
had next to no time working on Goldie this weekend but did manage to grind out the inserted plate in the rear offside of the boot area. This has exposed the rust lurking underneath which should have been removed before the plate was welded into place. Never mind, I take a few fotos and put them up.

:)

And here are the photographs ....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 10, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
Quote from: CHC;741535
Bush kit ordered and paid for - being sent out today so I might see it for the weekend.:mmmm

Well guys - I\'d call this bl**dy good service, Bush Kit arrived this afternoon, this calls for a :guinness to celebrate
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on February 10, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
Yuk, what a nasty patch job that was!

That was quick on the bushes :) Have fun getting the old ones out :P
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 10, 2011, 08:13:26 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;741825
Yuk, what a nasty patch job that was!
 
That was quick on the bushes :) Have fun getting the old ones out :P

I call these \'half a job\' patches.  I don\'t object to people cutting metal out and patching on top rather than insetting to keep the panels flush, this has to be better than leaving the rusty bits in to contaminate the new pieces - it\'s amazing how some people think that corrosion just disappears once you\'ve put a patch over it and that nobody would think of looking underneath.  But the most worst aspect is that they never treat the new metal before or after it is welded either.

Very fast delivery with the bushes - well pleased.  Now I just have to drop the relevant links etc, etc and remove the old bits, clean up and make good before fitting new bushes.
The only trouble is it won\'t be this weekend either.  You had trouble with your gazebo recently, well last weekend the gusts of wind decided that my carport roof had been there too long so it must have thought "let him have a new one this year" and whoosh - smashed to pieces.  So need to spend a bit of time on the carport to make watertight so that I can work underneath it if and when it rains.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 13, 2011, 11:33:06 PM
Only managed a few hours this afternoon preparing the susupension parts for stripping out. So cleaned the bolt threads with wire and copper brushes and then soaked them with WD40.
Despite soaking, the studs for the rear anti-roll bar were extremely tight (especially the two housing the main bushes. I found it easier to support the retaining clip in place so that the stud unscrewed without taking the retaining clip with it.
The two forward links were a doddle to remove the lock nuts but the upper bolt very stubborn - so removed the brackets too. Now all I have to do is remove the upper studs and then get these cleaned up and painted.
Next will be the lower and upper links.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 13, 2011, 11:37:45 PM
Steve - when you removed your suspension, did you find it easier to remove the lower and upper links before or after the watts link?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on February 13, 2011, 11:40:46 PM
Yeh some of the bolts holding suspension together on the back of Rexanne were very very stiff even with the wire brush and WD as you\'ve done! Good luck and all!

Watts link first for sure :) because if you remove the lower and upper links then the axel can twist which causes the watts to bind up and its then really awkward to remove.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 14, 2011, 11:03:49 AM
Quote from: Steve-A;742552
Yeh some of the bolts holding suspension together on the back of Rexanne were very very stiff even with the wire brush and WD as you\'ve done! Good luck and all!
 
Watts link first for sure :) because if you remove the lower and upper links then the axel can twist which causes the watts to bind up and its then really awkward to remove.

 
Good info on the Watts Link there Steve - thanks.

When I took off the rear anti roll bar and the supporting two links, found fair amount of corrosion with the bolts :( so I might replace them instead (better to find out now rather than later) - justing looking for some now.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 15, 2011, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: CHC;742545
Only managed a few hours this afternoon preparing the susupension parts for stripping out. So cleaned the bolt threads with wire and copper brushes and then soaked them with WD40.
Despite soaking, the studs for the rear anti-roll bar were extremely tight (especially the two housing the main bushes. I found it easier to support the retaining clip in place so that the stud unscrewed without taking the retaining clip with it.
The two forward links were a doddle to remove the lock nuts but the upper bolt very stubborn - so removed the brackets too. Now all I have to do is remove the upper studs and then get these cleaned up and painted.
Next will be the lower and upper links.

Here are the photos after taking out the rear anti-roll bar.
Seeing the condition of the degrading bushes at the stabilizer links alone justifies the expense for buying the Superpro polyurethane bushes.
Incidentally, if anybody else is considering purchasing these Superpro Bushes, I have the contact details for Ross so that you get the same discounted price as myself - just PM me for details.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 15, 2011, 11:12:54 PM
Spent an hour this evening loosening off the bolts and nuts for the suspension linkage - well actually only 4 of them:-
The upper linkage rear nut & bolt - just need the front end now.
The Watts Link central bolt - now that was darn tight - WD 40 fluid, a 21mm socket with tommy bar and a 4lb hammer to persuade it to move.
The lower link of the Watts Link too - both bolts extremely tight, 14mm socket with tommy bar and hammer.
Even managed to finish the night without getting any hammer rashes.

Just need to decide now how to tackle access to the upper link front bolt, hmmm..... remove the spring to permit access with socket and tommy bar plus extension tube for leverage - what you reckon Steve, any ideas?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on February 15, 2011, 11:25:13 PM
If I remember rightly, I loosened and removed the 4 bolts holding both the upper and lower links to the diff. Then I tried to remove the Watts link and wished I\'d done that first! But once I\'d freed the Watts link, I removed the axel before I\'d even cracked the bolts holding the suspension links to the body, which meant access was not an issue.

My gut reaction would be 21mm spanner on the inside of the link, braced against a section of chassis or the axel, and then a 21mm socket and big long bar on the outer head of the bolt and crack it that way.

Judging by the pictures of your roll bar bushings they are actually worse than mine! Which is kinda impressive :P
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 16, 2011, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: Steve-A;743098
If I remember rightly, I loosened and removed the 4 bolts holding both the upper and lower links to the diff. Then I tried to remove the Watts link and wished I\'d done that first! But once I\'d freed the Watts link, I removed the axel before I\'d even cracked the bolts holding the suspension links to the body, which meant access was not an issue.
 
My gut reaction would be 21mm spanner on the inside of the link, braced against a section of chassis or the axel, and then a 21mm socket and big long bar on the outer head of the bolt and crack it that way.
 
Judging by the pictures of your roll bar bushings they are actually worse than mine! Which is kinda impressive :P

 
Already took your advise on the Watts Link with 60% completion on that, hopefully might finish this tonight - understand why you\'d wished you had done this one 1st - what a tight so n\' so it was.
I\'ve also already slackened off the upper and lower link bolts at the axle on the o/side and started on the n/side.
I wasn\'t really planning on dropping the axle but possible \'time out\' on that issue as this shall depend upon accessibility to the upper link body.  Currently I have limited access to that nut due to the spring position - hence my thought of removing spring to facilitate access of spanner.  I\'ll have another look tonight and let you know.

Yeah - bushes pretty shot at all round (all of a similar condition) :eek: so wasn\'t even prepared to try and get these through a road test, I would have thought that the deterioration is mainly due to where the body had been left to rot or should I say \'parked up\'.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 16, 2011, 10:47:04 AM
Yeah - bushes pretty shot at all round (all of a similar condition) :eek: so wasn\'t even prepared to try and get these through a road test, I would have thought that the deterioration is mainly due to where the body had been left to rot or should I say \'parked up\'.
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Having seen the condition of these bushes - just think what the stabilizer spacer is like?  Pretty bad :Hammer - hence why I looking for newuns.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 16, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
Quote from: CHC;743153
Yeah - bushes pretty shot at all round (all of a similar condition) :eek: so wasn\'t even prepared to try and get these through a road test, I would have thought that the deterioration is mainly due to where the body had been left to rot or should I say \'parked up\'.

 
Having seen the condition of these bushes - just think what the stabilizer spacer is like? Pretty bad :Hammer - hence why I looking for newuns.[/quote]
 
New parts sourced via Mazda dealership and ordered :)
Part Nos:
071028776 (Retainers)   -    £1.97 each
887128157 (Spacers)     -    £4.12 each
9980308145 (Bolts)        -    £2.62 each
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on February 16, 2011, 01:39:17 PM
Hi Guys,
When I loosened the top tie rod bolts of Gus, (for his plate welding - I saved the cost of an expensive welding specialist bugxering about), I found that 21mm is exactly 7/8" BSW or some such big Whitworth.

So with a big 1/2" bar plus 21mm socket on it, and my trusty (very old) german ring spanner that I bought for working on my Austin 10, I got both loosened quite easily.
Access was Ok with the axle in place.
Mind you only about 52,000 miles on clock then.

Steve, Cliff, you have both turned into that expensive welding specialist now if you want to give up the day jobbies.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on February 16, 2011, 07:31:41 PM
Quote from: CHC;743189
Having seen the condition of these bushes - just think what the stabilizer spacer is like? Pretty bad :Hammer - hence why I looking for newuns.

New parts sourced via Mazda dealership and ordered :)
Part Nos:
071028776 (Retainers) - £1.97 each
887128157 (Spacers) - £4.12 each
9980308145 (Bolts) - £2.62 each[/quote]
 
It\'s amazing they,ve still got these parts for 25 yr old cars.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 16, 2011, 09:55:20 PM
Quote from: David Nock;743192
Hi Guys,
When I loosened the top tie rod bolts of Gus, (for his plate welding - I saved the cost of an expensive welding specialist bugxering about), I found that 21mm is exactly 7/8" BSW or some such big Whitworth.
 
So with a big 1/2" bar plus 21mm socket on it, and my trusty (very old) german ring spanner that I bought for working on my Austin 10, I got both loosened quite easily.
Access was Ok with the axle in place.
Mind you only about 52,000 miles on clock then.
 
Steve, Cliff, you have both turned into that expensive welding specialist now if you want to give up the day jobbies.

Sounds as if you are just the man for the job David.  What you doin\' this weekend mate?
No seriously, I didn\'t get around to trying this out tonight as I was too busy freeing off the bolts on the Watts link - surprisingly the upper watts link bolts were a lot easy to undo than the others.  Pleased they were easier, otherwise they would have been difficult to get proper purchase on (especially the upper bolt beneath the floor pan - phew.

A few photos follow:-
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 16, 2011, 10:00:13 PM
Having taken the Watts Link out I had a look at the bushes their too :eek: not surprised with the findings really :cool
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 16, 2011, 10:03:34 PM
Quote from: syebba;743263
New parts sourced via Mazda dealership and ordered :)
Part Nos:
071028776 (Retainers) - £1.97 each
887128157 (Spacers) - £4.12 each
9980308145 (Bolts) - £2.62 each

It\'s amazing they,ve still got these parts for 25 yr old cars.[/quote]
 
Very true Stu but I\'m glad they have.  Could it be that they are used for the later models too?  I\'ll have to ask when I collect them on Friday - good service from this Mazda Dealership.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 16, 2011, 10:26:17 PM
Quote from: David Nock;743192
Hi Guys,
 
Steve, Cliff, you have both turned into that expensive welding specialist now if you want to give up the day jobbies.

Very nice of you to say this David, I think perhaps Steve might agree with me on this - it is something which I find extremely satisfying and therapeutic with the added bonus of making good and preserving a piece of motoring history for a while longer.  Might not be perfect but at least it is solid.
I took \'Goldie\' on as I enjoyed working on JAZ so much and as Ian said in my early days with the forum - these motors are easy to work on.  Would I give up my day job - no, not yet.  Will I continue with this project work - I think for as long as I am enjoying it a big YES.  I would like to think that Goldie will be a better vehicle when completed than JAZ and if so - who knows what next.

Howz about you Steve - would you do another FB too ?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on February 16, 2011, 11:07:04 PM
On the whole I think I agree with you Cliff.

It is hugely satisfying to make things good as new again, or even better to make them better than new. And likewise I find it therapeutic to get on there and make something physical especially as I spend my working life sat at a keyboard. But I\'d say the whole preserving automotive history element isn\'t something that really comes into my mind. Yes it\'s saving a rare car from the breakers, and a car that I think is very cool, but it\'s about starting with that cool car and making it MY cool car, built how I want it to be built, made so when I see it across a car park I know its my car, and there\'s not another in the world quite like it.

Similarly to you Cliff, when I\'d kinda finished one arc of the work on my mx7, I was ready for the next project. Rexanne was in need of love and care and I wanted to take the next step up into an even more involved project. Again hopefully Rexanne will be better than the mx7 in every way: faster, more focused, neater and a more complete package. But thats what drives projects the wish to take when you\'ve done before and go one stage further!

Part of me think\'s I\'d love to spend all day tinkering with cars, especially proper restoration and modifications (like race prepping or after market part developing) but I\'m not sure it will ever happen. I\'d have to be sure that it was right to do so. I learnt the hard way with film/video making a hobby your job doesn\'t actually always work out that well, it can kinda kill the hobby.

Would I do another FB? I\'m not sure. I think I\'d probably keep taking Rexanne up a level at a time, unless there was a specific reason to start over, such as if Rexanne got built up to be a great street/track car and I really wanted to build a rally car/drift car etc. One day I\'ll have to do that 105 GTA replica project.......
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 17, 2011, 12:13:06 AM
Totally agree Steve.

Restoration work is different for everybody but ultimately it is all about doing things \'your way\', making something \'your own\'  and regardless of my personal preferences I admire people who have made their mark by being unique.

I have always liked something different but never had the opportunity until last year to try out an ambition to restore a car (and what a car to choose), I enjoyed it so much that I want to continue doing more RX7\'s it as long as I can as a hobby (I\'m a bit long in the tooth for thinking of a career change) but we can dream.

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on February 17, 2011, 12:16:30 PM
And I get massive satisfaction from servicing and making things last....clock up some miles (well a few), take some old bits off, put some new service parts on.

When I reuse an old servicable part .....like my old 1961 Ford Consul stop/tail bulb (they haven\'t changed a jot guys)........wow.....that bulb really gave me a buzz. It\'s been in the RX7 tail lamp cluster for a few years now, working away as God intended....that\'s after 15 years or so in my Consul. Magnifico!

We\'re all different aren\'t we?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 17, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: David Nock;743363
And I get massive satisfaction from servicing and making things last....clock up some miles (well a few), take some old bits off, put some new service parts on.
 
When I reuse an old servicable part .....like my old 1961 Ford Consul stop/tail bulb (they haven\'t changed a jot guys)........wow.....that bulb really gave me a buzz. It\'s been in the RX7 tail lamp cluster for a few years now, working away as God intended....that\'s after 15 years or so in my Consul. Magnifico!
 
We\'re all different aren\'t we?

Spot on mate - very true and that\'s what makes us all unique, don\'t knock it till you try it.
Oo ..... do you still have the Consul or is the \'my old ....\' as in the past tense?  They sure were a good car - I always preferred the Zephyr myself.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 17, 2011, 01:46:15 PM
I\'ve never stripped the rear suspension down on any car before this and having now removed the Watts Links I was shocked as to how much the rear axle actually floats around without any load being applied.  So here I am, nearly 56 years young and still learning something new every date - it\'s great!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on February 17, 2011, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: CHC;743373
Spot on mate - very true and that\'s what makes us all unique, don\'t knock it till you try it.
Oo ..... do you still have the Consul or is the \'my old ....\' as in the past tense?  They sure were a good car - I always preferred the Zephyr myself.

Ah my old Car. 3374 WY. New out of Dagenham in 1961. A Mark 2 Lowline, produced just before the 375 came out. My Dad & I bought it in 1965 and I scrapped it in 1973/74. I did 100,000 miles myself in that machine and I loved it. It was the Ford 204E Engine, 1703cc of pure......well, nothing.....0 to 60 in a lifetime. (It qualified for Clarkson\'s old comment...If you set off from the sea to return inland, Coastal Errosion would get you before you\'d gone a mile).

But I loved old faithful and wish I\'d never pulled it apart.  The 206 E\'s, Zephyr and Zodiac were better I certainly agree but I was young then and Cost/Insurance matters weighed heavily.

No matter, I sold every part except some last bits which I gave away in the 1980\'s, but I kept the bulbs!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on February 17, 2011, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: CHC;743374
I\'ve never stripped the rear suspension down on any car before this and having now removed the Watts Links I was shocked as to how much the rear axle actually floats around without any load being applied.  So here I am, nearly 56 years young and still learning something new every date - it\'s great!


I think that\'s why the reinforcing plates for the top links fail? The plates weaken with corrosion caused by slight water ingress from the back, then cracking starts, then they disintegrate.

You can understand the process better if you think of the heavy axle loads twisting away at the plates.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 17, 2011, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: David Nock;743415
Ah my old Car. 3374 WY. New out of Dagenham in 1961. A Mark 2 Lowline, produced just before the 375 came out. My Dad & I bought it in 1965 and I scrapped it in 1973/74. I did 100,000 miles myself in that machine and I loved it. It was the Ford 204E Engine, 1703cc of pure......well, nothing.....0 to 60 in a lifetime. (It qualified for Clarkson\'s old comment...If you set off from the sea to return inland, Coastal Errosion would get you before you\'d gone a mile).
 
But I loved old faithful and wish I\'d never pulled it apart. The 206 E\'s, Zephyr and Zodiac were better I certainly agree but I was young then and Cost/Insurance matters weighed heavily.
 
No matter, I sold every part except some last bits which I gave away in the 1980\'s, but I kept the bulbs!

Have to admit, there was definitely something about the cars produced at the turn of the 60\'s.  The designers had run their course with the post war models and were opening up their canvases and looking to produce some cheaper cars whilst trying to improve the build quality of earlier models and best of all was the competition between the motor giants Ford, Vauxhall, Rootes, Triumph, Morgan, Austin & Morris to name just a few.  To me the biggest loss to the motor industry was when they did away with the \'chrome bits\', yes they needed constant polishing and were heavy but comfortable, gleaming machines (very slow too) - but who cared and probably the reason I always wanted to drive.
Don\'t know whether "3374 WY" would be worth a fortune had you have kept it but the nostalgia value would have been priceless.  So does that class the \'bulbs\' as antiques @ 50+ years of age?
My very 1st car was a 1960 Hillman Minx - cream & pale green with a huge front bench seat "WUN 620" - ahh the nostalgia years.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 17, 2011, 11:02:02 PM
Quote from: David Nock;743418
I think that\'s why the reinforcing plates for the top links fail? The plates weaken with corrosion caused by slight water ingress from the back, then cracking starts, then they disintegrate.
 
You can understand the process better if you think of the heavy axle loads twisting away at the plates.

As you say the logic is there and makes it easier to understand the engineering bit as to why the reinforcing plates are necessary and also the reasoning they fail.  Nothing like "stripping down" to learn about the workings of suspensions.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 17, 2011, 11:32:15 PM
Well I had a look at the access issue tonight to the upper linkage front bolt/nut - try as I did I just couldn\'t get a spanner into position so there was nothing else for it, out with the springs!
So I\'ve dropped the rear shocks and lowered the rear axle sufficiently to withdraw the springs from their locations. Having done that I re-fitted the shocks as a temporary measure to support the axle.
Once the upper linkages are out I\'ll see about removing the bushes and then have all the bits blast cleaned before re-coating and re-bushing.

Just noticed this is my 1,000 post ....Yippeeeee!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on February 18, 2011, 06:52:40 AM
Cliff, Congrats on your 1000 post and all since Mar 2010, almost as much time on here as working on the car ........... still where would we without you ............
 
   Good luck
 
   Dibs
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 18, 2011, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: A7RXY;743509
Cliff, Congrats on your 1000 post and all since Mar 2010, almost as much time on here as working on the car ........... still where would we without you ............
 
Good luck
 
Dibs

Cheers Dibs - ...... probably enjoying yourselves :Giggle :rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 11:20:32 AM
Completed stripping out the rear suspension yesterday - so much easier without the springs in place but nevertheless that one bolt in the upper linkage was a tight git and had to be persuaded with the hammer :Hammer.

Just to be certain the correct piece goes back into the right hole (so to speak), I\'ve marked each piece at the top with a reference code - when I come to paint I\'ll transfer marking to the inside of the bush ring as an extra precaution.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 11:48:19 AM
Having ordered new parts for the rear anti-roll bar stabilizer, the only part not available as new was the stabilizer bracket - so I had to remove the bolt from the spacer.  Despite soaking in wd40 for 24 hrs the two parts were firmly fused together so I decided the only answer was to cut of the bolt head with a disc cutter. The bracket will be cleaned with the suspension bits.
Anyway below is also a photograph of the old and new together.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 11:57:49 AM
Having removed the upper links, thought I\'d check out the bodywork behind for the dreaded corrosion.  Nice surprise to find solid metal (all areas) - makes life easier when it come to cleaning down and preparation for protective coating.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
I had arranged for the bushes to be removed at work but the guy doing this is on holiday next week - fancy going on holiday when he knew he had a job to do for me, very inconsiderate I say :evillaugh.

So I thought - have a go yourself Cliff.  Not set up for pressing out bushes at home so thought I\'d try drilling them out - 8 done in 90 minutes (which includes cleaning up too).  So only 5 remaining - I\'ll try and get on with these after lunch and take some more photos as well.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on February 20, 2011, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: CHC;744053
I had arranged for the bushes to be removed at work but the guy doing this is on holiday next week - fancy going on holiday when he knew he had a job to do for me, very inconsiderate I say :evillaugh.
 
So I thought - have a go yourself Cliff.  Not set up for pressing out bushes at home so thought I\'d try drilling them out - 8 done in 90 minutes (which includes cleaning up too).  So only 5 remaining - I\'ll try and get on with these after lunch and take some more photos as well.


You\'ll struggle to press out rusted out bushes at home without a proper press.
I always drill mine out too Cliff.... I\'ve found that if I heat them up first with a blowlamp, they become much more brittle and are much easier to drill out
Still a horrible job to do though...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on February 20, 2011, 01:49:02 PM
Worst job ever on a DIY build I reckon.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: Ian65;744068
You\'ll struggle to press out rusted out bushes at home without a proper press.
I always drill mine out too Cliff.... I\'ve found that if I heat them up first with a blowlamp, they become much more brittle and are much easier to drill out
Still a horrible job to do though...

Agree guys - this type of job is a pain in the proverbial but nevertheless has to be done, I too have drilled the old bushes out.  Didn\'t find it that hard but quite messy with the rubber debris going eveywhere.  I think the key factor when doing this job is to have sharp drills - I used new ones so they cut through the rubber very cleanly.
Anyway, all done now so this weekends wish list fulfilled.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 05:09:23 PM
This week I\'ll take all suspension bits and have them blast cleaned and then get them prime coated.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: captainbizzaro on February 20, 2011, 06:07:05 PM
Everyones going bush crazy. Successful weekend I\'d say!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;744133
Everyones going bush crazy. Successful weekend I\'d say!

You bet mate - glad that\'s out of the way.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 20, 2011, 09:26:41 PM
Quote from: captainbizzaro;744072
Worst job ever on a DIY build I reckon.

Actually removing the bushes is quite easy, the hard bit is all the setting up and removing this and that for access to some of the bolts.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 24, 2011, 12:40:25 PM
Considering possible change of tyre size to 15" Dynamic Motorsport rims from standard but never done this before. If I put larger rims on, would this have any effect on the speed recorded at the odometer? Help please.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on February 24, 2011, 01:08:58 PM
Quote from: CHC;745175
Considering possible change of tyre size to 15" Dynamic Motorsport rims from standard but never done this before. If I put larger rims on, would this have any effect on the speed recorded at the odometer? Help please.

 
Yes it will unless you keep the rolling diameter the same,ie wheel + tyre height.
If you put 15" rims on,you could use a lower profile tyre to try & keep the rolling diameter the same or close to your existing set up.
Measure your existing rims[13 or 14"?] convert into milimetres,then the side profile of your existing tyres[it\'ll be stamped on tyre sidewall] & add the 2 measurements together to give you the rolling diameter.
 
I did this when i had my dax cobra went from 15" > 18" rims,15" rims had balloon tyres,on 18" i put on elastic bands!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on February 24, 2011, 01:10:56 PM
Shauns put bigger wheels on his fb,maybe he,ll be able to comment?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on February 24, 2011, 01:31:15 PM
Actually you\'ve just reminded me.
My 1st fb,20 years ago now! i put on larger compomotive alloys & new tyres,it was a S3 & i think i changed from 14" rims to 16",i could\'nt be bothered working out the rolling diameter & i don\'t remember it having too adverse an affect on the speedo readings.
Shaun best to comment on his set up.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on February 24, 2011, 02:10:13 PM
I\'ve done the maths and a 195/50/15 tyre should be the same as the standard 205/65/13.

Also 195/50/15s are about the cheapest size of tyre out there which is good news. Toyo T1rs are less than £30 a corner!

If think you\'ll find you need to either switch to s3 front hubs and rear axel, or have some PCD adapters made up too. The 2 has a PCD of 4x110mm which is pretty much un heard of outside of old Mazdas!
Title: Tyre size comparison
Post by: johnnyboy on February 24, 2011, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: CHC;745175
Considering possible change of tyre size to 15" Dynamic Motorsport rims from standard but never done this before. If I put larger rims on, would this have any effect on the speed recorded at the odometer? Help please.

 
See these 2 links for size comparison calculations:
 
 
http://www.alloywheels.com/tyrecalc.asp
http://www.tyretraders.com/Tyres_Calculator.aspx
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on February 24, 2011, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;745223
I\'ve done the maths and a 195/50/15 tyre should be the same as the standard 205/65/13.
 
Also 195/50/15s are about the cheapest size of tyre out there which is good news. Toyo T1rs are less than £30 a corner!
 
If think you\'ll find you need to either switch to s3 front hubs and rear axel, or have some PCD adapters made up too. The 2 has a PCD of 4x110mm which is pretty much un heard of outside of old Mazdas!

I can confirm that Toyo T1R\'s are exellent tyres got the dry and very good for damp / wet tarmac. They hold the road very well indeed, they don\'t tramline etc. and when they break away they are progressive - they don\'t just give up on you. Two minor criticisms: We have had 2 sets on my wifes MGF in 215x40x16 and they only do 15,000 - 17,000 miles per tyre (which is not great, but then they are cheap...) and THEY DO NOT LIKE MUD OR SNOW - at all. So be careful on muddy or snowy lanes. Also not so good when the temperature is below zero until they get nice and warm.
 
For a cold/snow/wet tyre I can heartily recommend Michelin Pilot Alpin\'s. Fantastic in all conditions but expensive unless you get them on Ebay...
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on February 24, 2011, 04:33:57 PM
Good points John! They are useless in the snow!

I\'ll still be fitting a set to my FB :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on February 25, 2011, 01:00:12 PM
Quote from: johnnyboy;745231
See these 2 links for size comparison calculations:
 
 
http://www.alloywheels.com/tyrecalc.asp
http://www.tyretraders.com/Tyres_Calculator.aspx
 
John

Their useful links John.
ta stu..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on February 25, 2011, 05:42:09 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;745253
Good points John! They are useless in the snow!
 
I\'ll still be fitting a set to my FB :)

 
Yeah... I think they are great - the best warm weather tyres I have driven (thats why we have a new set in the garage for the MGF at the moment - but we put a set of s/h Michelin Alpins on it last December.....)
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 26, 2011, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: johnnyboy;745231
See these 2 links for size comparison calculations:
 
 
http://www.alloywheels.com/tyrecalc.asp
http://www.tyretraders.com/Tyres_Calculator.aspx
 
John

Excellent links there John - the main benefit is the comparison chart to enable you to choose the best size tyre whilst maintaining speedo values.
Thanks, will use this when I\'m ready although I\'m fairly sure I\'ll finish up with the Team Dynamics Monza R in gold (of course).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 26, 2011, 09:36:25 PM
Great shout on the tyre front there too guys.  Think I\'ll be going for the dry tyres as I\'m not planning to use the car during the winter months - but then again with the best plans etc, etc who knows ????
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 26, 2011, 10:04:51 PM
Been cleaning the underside when I could during the week whilst waiting for the suspension links etc to be blasted - yeah I know it doesn\'t take long but mate doing them for me when he has a free moment.
 
As nearside lower suspension link was bent, I got hold of another pair (which are being blasted with all the others) and I was having problems removing a stubborn bolt on this lower link (rear connection to the axle). The nut was free but when attempting to undo the bolt I could actually hear the rubber bush being strained as it was turning too. So I used an extension onto the socket set tee bar (about 4 ft long) and still it didn\'t budge so I drew the conclusion that the bolt must be seized in the crush tube so I had to hacksaw the bolt out - awkward but doable little so\'n\'so. This means I can continue with preparing the axle later.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on February 26, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
Then pushed on with pre-treating and coating the prepared areas to seal them.  More preparation work tomorrow hopefully.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 09, 2011, 08:39:40 PM
Work has been interfering with my leisure time recently so very little time spent on preparation - however did manage to clean up the majority of the rear axle ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 09, 2011, 08:43:04 PM
And then followed by the pretreatment to etch prime the rusty bits ....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on March 09, 2011, 08:45:02 PM
Looking good Cliff :)

I think we could both do with a bit of slightly warmer weather, which would make getting through the painting stage much quicker and easier!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 09, 2011, 08:45:20 PM
.... and then the primer coating to seal the surfaces
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 09, 2011, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;747964
Looking good Cliff :)
 
I think we could both do with a bit of slightly warmer weather, which would make getting through the painting stage much quicker and easier!

To be honest, the weather isn\'t troubling me as I\'m working in the garage (although fairly cramped for a big fella) as my carport roof decided to lift off in the recent bad weather.
Whilst pressure at work current taking up my time :(, I do intend to re-roof the carport soon so when all rear suspension is back in place, I\'ll be able to push Goldie out at night & weekends to play.
But yeah - like yourself mate, would love to be spending more time doing the body - July is fast approaching and that is my target.
:Thumbs-up
 
Tell you what I did find, I too am using the POR 15 (absolutely fantastic product but a real b*****d to get off the skin) and after using it the 1st time, I sealed the tin (as one does).  I went back to it on Sunday (to prime the axle) and noticed that the small amount of paint drips left on the lid had spumed up and dried completely around the lid to the tin (this in itself not a problem and expected).  However, it must have taken me at least 20 minutes to remove the dried paint from around the lid so that I could remove it and access the paint.  If this is what it does to the lid and clean surfaces, just imagine how good it is going to be treating the rusty bits - brilliant stuff I say.

Ian, don\'t know where you found this product but mighty glad you did - top man.
:Thumbs-up
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on March 09, 2011, 09:08:14 PM
Cling film between the tin and lid seems to help a lot I\'ve found. :) Likewise I\'m glad Ian pointed me in it\'s direction!

Being outside I\'ve had to be more careful of the damp, I did notice some of the bubbling in the POR on one of my coats to the suspension links after I painted as the sun went down, so I had to sand that off. Now its march we\'ll hopefully have a few more days where we reach double figures temperatures, which should help lots :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 09, 2011, 09:20:04 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;747971
Cling film between the tin and lid seems to help a lot I\'ve found. :) Likewise I\'m glad Ian pointed me in it\'s direction!
 
Being outside I\'ve had to be more careful of the damp, I did notice some of the bubbling in the POR on one of my coats to the suspension links after I painted as the sun went down, so I had to sand that off. Now its march we\'ll hopefully have a few more days where we reach double figures temperatures, which should help lots :)

Now there\'s a good shout - cling film! I\'ll try that next time.
 
Yeah, be really good to have a bit of warmth to work in. I just hope spring is very similar to last year when I was working on JAZ, I was able to work every night and weekend between the garage and carport - lets keep fingers crossed.
If weather doesn\'t improve much, you might have to re-consider erecting the Gazebo again mate ? It did a fantastic job for you for most of Oct - Jan.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 09, 2011, 09:24:39 PM
Well I bought the \'Elford\' alloys of Ian last week (due to collect this Saturday) and will probably fit these to Goldie.  Maybe not the genuine rims for the Series 2 but at least they are still for the RX7 - think they will look good myself :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on March 09, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
Gazebo is well dead mate, would have to be buy a new one! I\'ll manage :)

Oooh Elford alloys could look good. Any thoughts on colours to go with goldie? Gold centers with polished lips could look pretty sweet!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 09, 2011, 09:43:58 PM
cling film is a good call...
I always pour out the POR15 that I\'m using into another container and then reseal the tin making sure I meticulously clean the rim of the can before I refit the lid.
I use the metal ready to etch the surface, thoroughly wash off all the acid and then dry the surface with a heat gun before I paint.
It is good stuff though.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 09, 2011, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;747980

Oooh Elford alloys could look good. Any thoughts on colours to go with goldie? Gold centers with polished lips could look pretty sweet!


yeah man!

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/elfordSKL77X.jpg)

polish those rims!!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on March 09, 2011, 11:27:48 PM
Quote from: CHC;747977
Well I bought the \'Elford\' alloys of Ian last week (due to collect this Saturday) and will probably fit these to Goldie. Maybe not the genuine rims for the Series 2 but at least they are still for the RX7 - think they will look good myself :)

13" Pepperpots forever!
 
However you are about to find that the tyres available for 13" rims are pretty restricted. No Toyo T1R\'s of Michelin Alpin\'s for instance (much to my annoyance).
 
There are a variety of cheap round black things made by companies I have never heard of, but when it comes to good stuff the only players seem to be Yokohama track day tyres (brilliant but not supposed to be used below 3 degrees centigrade....) and some Vredestien "Classics" (good reports but horribly expensive).
 
I could do with some new tyres so I will be interested in anything you find out...
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on March 09, 2011, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: CHC;747977
Well I bought the \'Elford\' alloys of Ian last week (due to collect this Saturday) and will probably fit these to Goldie. Maybe not the genuine rims for the Series 2 but at least they are still for the RX7 - think they will look good myself :)

Are you going for an Elford rear spoiler to go with the wheels? I know I am biased but I think the Elford rear spoiler is the best aftermarket accessory an FB can have...
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on March 09, 2011, 11:40:58 PM
Quote from: Ian65;747986
yeah man!
 
(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/elfordSKL77X.jpg)
 
polish those rims!!

 
Yeah maaan!
 
Beatiful car, beautiful rims......
 
I think Elfords normally had body colour centres and polished rims, so some gold centres are mandated!
 
I remember having shiny rims like the ones in the picture - about 15 years ago....
To do it (they were in a bad state...) I got the tyres taken off, jacked up the back of the car and bolted on a rim. Then started it up and put it in gear.... lo and behold, a custom lathe! went through various grades of emery and wet and dry through wire wool to crocus paper to wax. Worked a treat. Unfortunately they could do with doing again.....
 
Ian: how should I do it this time?
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 10, 2011, 07:08:14 AM
Quote from: johnnyboy;748014
Yeah maaan!
 
Beatiful car, beautiful rims......
 
I think Elfords normally had body colour centres and polished rims, so some gold centres are mandated!
 
I remember having shiny rims like the ones in the picture - about 15 years ago....
To do it (they were in a bad state...) I got the tyres taken off, jacked up the back of the car and bolted on a rim. Then started it up and put it in gear.... lo and behold, a custom lathe! went through various grades of emery and wet and dry through wire wool to crocus paper to wax. Worked a treat. Unfortunately they could do with doing again.....
 
Ian: how should I do it this time?
 
John


the same way I reckon John!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: Steve-A;747980
Gazebo is well dead mate, would have to be buy a new one! I\'ll manage :)
 
Oooh Elford alloys could look good. Any thoughts on colours to go with goldie? Gold centers with polished lips could look pretty sweet!

Very much my thoughts too
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 08:43:37 AM
Quote from: Ian65;747983
cling film is a good call...
I always pour out the POR15 that I\'m using into another container and then reseal the tin making sure I meticulously clean the rim of the can before I refit the lid.
I use the metal ready to etch the surface, thoroughly wash off all the acid and then dry the surface with a heat gun before I paint.
It is good stuff though.

For sure the best way is to thoroughly clean the paint tin rim & lid before resealing, that way a simple turn of the screw driver or paint scraper and off pops the lid.
POR 15 sticks like ...... well think you know what I mean, so good stuff is an umderstatement in my opinion.
So when I\'ve eventually finished all the priming I intend to overcoat it and possibly even colour code to the car.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Ian65;747986
yeah man!
 
(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/elfordSKL77X.jpg)
 
polish those rims!!

Always liked polished rims.
I used to own a Ford Exploder oopppps meant to say \'Explorer\' - a 4 ltr V6 with GRUNNNNTTTTT.  That had polished rims and looked the bizz so every chance I\'ll polish again.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
Quote from: johnnyboy;748010
13" Pepperpots forever!
 
However you are about to find that the tyres available for 13" rims are pretty restricted. No Toyo T1R\'s of Michelin Alpin\'s for instance (much to my annoyance).
 
There are a variety of cheap round black things made by companies I have never heard of, but when it comes to good stuff the only players seem to be Yokohama track day tyres (brilliant but not supposed to be used below 3 degrees centigrade....) and some Vredestien "Classics" (good reports but horribly expensive).
 
I could do with some new tyres so I will be interested in anything you find out...
John

I can remember the pepperpots on the Jaguar and :InLove at 1st sight but as with all alloys, look good on one but out of place on another.  These definitely work with the RX7.

Have previously used TOYO tyres & found them suprisingly good - in fact thinking about it, when I fitted the SA alloys the deal included TOYOs and were very good in both dry & wet conditions.  For long term I found YOKOHAMAs the dogs danglies and have swore by them ever since - so either or for me when I reshoe them.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
Quote from: johnnyboy;748011
Are you going for an Elford rear spoiler to go with the wheels? I know I am biased but I think the Elford rear spoiler is the best aftermarket accessory an FB can have...
 
John

I think one step at a time is the way forward for the moment (I like to keep cars close to their original form) and let it develop gradually.  However I\'ll keep a look out for these as an option.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 09:19:17 AM
Quote from: johnnyboy;748014
Yeah maaan!
 
Beatiful car, beautiful rims......
 
I think Elfords normally had body colour centres and polished rims, so some gold centres are mandated!
 
I remember having shiny rims like the ones in the picture - about 15 years ago....
To do it (they were in a bad state...) I got the tyres taken off, jacked up the back of the car and bolted on a rim. Then started it up and put it in gear.... lo and behold, a custom lathe! went through various grades of emery and wet and dry through wire wool to crocus paper to wax. Worked a treat. Unfortunately they could do with doing again.....
 
Ian: how should I do it this time?
 
John

Now this is what I have said for ages of the forum membership - mechanics are trained and take up residence with various garages and main agents where they have \'specialist equipment and tooling\' to enable specific jobs & tasks to be carried out. Take these persons out of their comfort zone and they wouldn\'t have the 1st clue of how to do a job without such equipment and yet enthusiasts come up with some fantastic methods (sometimes very bizaar too) and overcome the plight of the fully trained mechanic(s) - so who are the true Engineers? You are, the dedicated enthusiasts and fellow members!
What a good shout to polish the rims yourself - shall I drop mine of this weekend? :Giggle
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on March 10, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: Ian65;747986
yeah man!

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/elfordSKL77X.jpg)

polish those rims!!

Still taxed and road-running guys.

No idea of whereabouts though.....front pic of old club mag 1999 and won prize at Brooklands 2002.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 01:03:09 PM
Quote from: David Nock;748073
Still taxed and road-running guys.
 
No idea of whereabouts though.....front pic of old club mag 1999 and won prize at Brooklands 2002.

It looks \'silvery\' ?  Is it still the same colour ?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on March 10, 2011, 05:41:07 PM
Yep, still Silver on DVLA
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on March 10, 2011, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: CHC;747977
Well I bought the \'Elford\' alloys of Ian last week (due to collect this Saturday) and will probably fit these to Goldie. Maybe not the genuine rims for the Series 2 but at least they are still for the RX7 - think they will look good myself :)

They will look good with gold centres Cliff.
Go on put an Elford spoiler on the rear,you know you want to.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: myatt1972 on March 10, 2011, 09:07:49 PM
Quote from: CHC;748056
Take these persons out of their comfort zone and they wouldn\'t have the 1st clue of how to do a job without such equipment

Never underestimate a good mechanic, these guys are doing day in, day out what we are doing on the odd evening or weekend.
I was a mechanic for 8 years working in a back street garage, no dealer training and no specialist equipment (other than a ramp). Any type of car any type of job, very sharp learning curve! ;)
 
Keith...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on March 10, 2011, 10:02:29 PM
Quote from: CHC;748056
What a good shout to polish the rims yourself - shall I drop mine off this weekend? :Giggle

No.
 
John
 
(Oh dear, did that sound a little abrupt after you said nice things about me?)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on March 10, 2011, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: Ian65;748031
the same way I reckon John!

 
Damn. I was afraid of that....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 11:20:19 PM
Quote from: myatt1972;748195
Never underestimate a good mechanic, these guys are doing day in, day out what we are doing on the odd evening or weekend.
I was a mechanic for 8 years working in a back street garage, no dealer training and no specialist equipment (other than a ramp). Any type of car any type of job, very sharp learning curve! ;)
 
Keith...

 
I wasn\'t referring to the more experienced mechanics and journeymen but more towards the present day younger generation that learn the text book but have little or no experience of the days before electronics.
A neighbour has had a specific brand of car for many years and has alternated between the original german hot-hatch and it\'s baby brother.  On his present vehicle last year (now approx 4 years old) he delevloped a problem and had no brake lights.  I told him it would probably be the brake-light switch on the pedal (always a good starting point) but because of his age he had booked this into the nearest main agents - they hooked it up for 1/2 day and could not find a problem and returned it without being fixed).  After speaking with the head mechanic and workshop manager (whom he knows), they replaced the switch eventually and problem gone - this is my point, some of them don\'t know the basics.  Ohh my neighbour also got a full refund after complaining (over £300).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 11:21:47 PM
Quote from: syebba;748151
They will look good with gold centres Cliff.
Go on put an Elford spoiler on the rear,you know you want to.

No hurry for one but it will be considered ... he he he
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 11:23:55 PM
Quote from: johnnyboy;748210
No.
 
John
 
(Oh dear, did that sound a little abrupt after you said nice things about me?)

Not in the least bit John - no worries, but if the offer ever should stand ?????
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 10, 2011, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: johnnyboy;748214
Damn. I was afraid of that....

but hopefully John this time will be a little easier but still as monotonous.  Thinking about it though, it\'s still a lot cheaper than £50 ish for each wheel by somebody else!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on March 11, 2011, 12:10:11 AM
Quote from: CHC;748240
but hopefully John this time will be a little easier but still as monotonous. Thinking about it though, it\'s still a lot cheaper than £50 ish for each wheel by somebody else!

It is a powerful argument... as ever...
 
In retrospect, apart from getting the tyres off (which I would have to do to send them away anyway...), it probably only took an hour or so a wheel. So a good hourly pay rate! (and sore fingers....)
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: myatt1972 on March 11, 2011, 12:18:41 AM
Quote from: CHC;748235
I wasn\'t referring to the more experienced mechanics and journeymen but more towards the present day younger generation that learn the text book but have little or no experience of the days before electronics.
A neighbour has had a specific brand of car for many years and has alternated between the original german hot-hatch and it\'s baby brother. On his present vehicle last year (now approx 4 years old) he delevloped a problem and had no brake lights. I told him it would probably be the brake-light switch on the pedal (always a good starting point) but because of his age he had booked this into the nearest main agents - they hooked it up for 1/2 day and could not find a problem and returned it without being fixed). After speaking with the head mechanic and workshop manager (whom he knows), they replaced the switch eventually and problem gone - this is my point, some of them don\'t know the basics. Ohh my neighbour also got a full refund after complaining (over £300).

Seems to be more and more of this sort of thing going on, things get replaced these days rather than fixed if the computer says so.
Put a tow bar on the mrs astra, was ok till I came to wire it up. It has a single filament bulb for tail light and brake light, it gets 3volts for tail light and 12 volts for brake light, ahhhhhhhhrrrrrrr !!!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 11, 2011, 06:51:36 AM
Quote from: CHC;748235
I wasn\'t referring to the more experienced mechanics and journeymen but more towards the present day younger generation that learn the text book but have little or no experience of the days before electronics.
A neighbour has had a specific brand of car for many years and has alternated between the original german hot-hatch and it\'s baby brother.  On his present vehicle last year (now approx 4 years old) he delevloped a problem and had no brake lights.  I told him it would probably be the brake-light switch on the pedal (always a good starting point) but because of his age he had booked this into the nearest main agents - they hooked it up for 1/2 day and could not find a problem and returned it without being fixed).  After speaking with the head mechanic and workshop manager (whom he knows), they replaced the switch eventually and problem gone - this is my point, some of them don\'t know the basics.  Ohh my neighbour also got a full refund after complaining (over £300).


I think it still depends where you go... a younger mechanic working in a backstreet garage trained by old school mechanic is more likely to have a good understanding of how things actually work and try to repair a part if possible.
Younger mechanics ( or technicians!) working at a main dealer are more likely to just replace what the computer tell him to, even if common sense should tell him not to.
The wifes Peugeot went to the local main dealer for a service last year and came back with a misfire. After complaining to the service manager, they picked it up and phoned to say, "the computer says it\'s fine"
"Well it isn\'t, it\'s misfiring"
They kept it all day, and then returned it saying there\'s nothing wrong ( the computer says so)
I get in it and I could feel it missing
I take it back and the same mechanic says " It\'s not misfiring, the computer says it\'s ok"
"well the computers rubbish then.... listen mate, it\'s missing, I can tell that without a computer so surely you can too. It was fine before you messed with it so I want it fixed today."
The dealership then agree to send another mech out for a drive with me. We\'d only gone 100 yards when he says, " it\'s misfiring"
Turns out they\'d put in a duff spark plug.
The young guy who did the service and subsequent checks had a total reliance on the computer and was incapable of diagnosing the problem for himself.
These guys are just fitters these days...
Give me a good old school mechanic any day.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 11, 2011, 11:01:37 AM
Quote from: Ian65;748260
I think it still depends where you go... a younger mechanic working in a backstreet garage trained by old school mechanic is more likely to have a good understanding of how things actually work and try to repair a part if possible.
Younger mechanics ( or technicians!) working at a main dealer are more likely to just replace what the computer tell him to, even if common sense should tell him not to.
The wifes Peugeot went to the local main dealer for a service last year and came back with a misfire. After complaining to the service manager, they picked it up and phoned to say, "the computer says it\'s fine"
"Well it isn\'t, it\'s misfiring"
They kept it all day, and then returned it saying there\'s nothing wrong ( the computer says so)
I get in it and I could feel it missing
I take it back and the same mechanic says " It\'s not misfiring, the computer says it\'s ok"
"well the computers rubbish then.... listen mate, it\'s missing, I can tell that without a computer so surely you can too. It was fine before you messed with it so I want it fixed today."
The dealership then agree to send another mech out for a drive with me. We\'d only gone 100 yards when he says, " it\'s misfiring"
Turns out they\'d put in a duff spark plug.
The young guy who did the service and subsequent checks had a total reliance on the computer and was incapable of diagnosing the problem for himself.
These guys are just fitters these days...
Give me a good old school mechanic any day.

Here here!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 11, 2011, 11:04:51 AM
Quote from: myatt1972;748248
Seems to be more and more of this sort of thing going on, things get replaced these days rather than fixed if the computer says so.
Put a tow bar on the mrs astra, was ok till I came to wire it up. It has a single filament bulb for tail light and brake light, it gets 3volts for tail light and 12 volts for brake light, ahhhhhhhhrrrrrrr !!!

Yes, it could definitely be a long drawn out debate and this is why I consider the forum members to be generally more competent that the workshop personnel because of our hands-on knowledge.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 12, 2011, 11:10:59 AM
I\'d say that there is more experience and knowledge of 1st gens on here than there is in the Mazda dealerships these days.
back in the day, not all dealers were allowed to sell the RX7 and I reckon most of the trained mechs have probably retired or moved on by now.
When we have a problem, we don\'t just replace the part, we want to know what the symptoms were, why it failed, how it works...how to change it... etc..etc...
All driven by passion and enthusiasm for these great little cars!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: sanbob on March 12, 2011, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: CHC;748301
Yes, it could definitely be a long drawn out debate and this is why I consider the forum members to be generally more competent that the workshop personnel because of our hands-on knowledge.

Thats why i joined the forum the mazda dealer in york has no clue about the 1st gens and most other garages only answer oooh thats a rotary engine isnt it - then run out of things to say lol.
 
Believe me without the forum i\'d have got The Duke home then stoot there for weeks scratchin my head wondering where to start hehe.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 13, 2011, 10:28:54 AM
..and of cause the commradeship is brilliant!
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 16, 2011, 09:59:04 AM
No chance to work on the old girl for the last week or so but did manage to pick up the Elford rims from Ian last weekend.
Overall condition of these is fairly good considering their age and started to clean up one rim last night (photos to follow). A light elbow grease, wet n dry and perhaps metal polish should bring up a treat - working on the inner side 1st just to make sure all is well.

Anyhow, here is a taster of the rims against JAZ - a before and after shot .... I\'m actually considering polishing the entire rim and not colour coding the centre. What you guys think?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on March 16, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Look like they should look good :)

Personally, and this is just me, I\'m not a fan of fully polished wheels. If you don\'t fancy gold have you considered a silver painted center, rather than polished?

Kinda like these are painted:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2755742384_76f9966766_z.jpg?zz=1)

(http://www.dubzdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/xxr_501_silver.jpg)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 16, 2011, 01:02:26 PM
The centres shall have to be cleaned up initially to remove previous paint so I can get a better idea when I\'m at that stage.  I\'d be more than willing to have colour coded centres but could just as easily have them silver or even black as an alternative.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 16, 2011, 04:21:10 PM
here\'s how a polished Elford sonic wheel looks...

(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/AR94NSX-R/1983%20RX-7%20FB/25032009383.jpg)

I like the colour coded look as well...

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/fs_mazelford.jpg)

.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 16, 2011, 04:45:19 PM
Quote from: Ian65;749284
here\'s how a polished Elford sonic wheel looks...
 
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/AR94NSX-R/1983%20RX-7%20FB/25032009383.jpg)
 
I like the colour coded look as well...
 
(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/fs_mazelford.jpg)
 
.

Yeahhhhhhhh that\'s what I am thinking about, looks very very nice to me.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 18, 2011, 01:57:44 PM
Been scouting round this week for a set of wheel bolts as the standard bolts are only 20mm of thread but the Elford Sonics are a lot thicker in the body so require longer ones.  Managed to track a full set down this morning (newuns are 40mm of thread) but the shop only had 12.  So ordered a full set and due to collect them next week - happy days are acomin.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 18, 2011, 03:46:02 PM
Quote from: CHC;749808
Been scouting round this week for a set of wheel bolts as the standard bolts are only 20mm of thread but the Elford Sonics are a lot thicker in the body so require longer ones.  Managed to track a full set down this morning (newuns are 40mm of thread) but the shop only had 12.  So ordered a full set and due to collect them next week - happy days are acomin.


do they come with the seats Cliff?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on March 18, 2011, 07:37:50 PM
I had gold centres on my series 1
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss30/d_i_ball/P1000538.jpg)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 19, 2011, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: Ian65;749831
do they come with the seats Cliff?

No - fortunately the seats arre still in place on the sonic rims.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 19, 2011, 12:19:16 AM
Quote from: A7RXY;749890
I had gold centres on my series 1
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss30/d_i_ball/P1000538.jpg)

Look nice Dibs - as I say, I\'m still consideering which way to go but no hurry as yet.  I think the best thing to do initially is to get them cleaned and polished and then decide.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 19, 2011, 10:31:07 PM
Good news - rear suspension parts have been blast cleaned, so this afternoons job was ........ protect them before the rust starts again.
Darn - probs with puter so pics wont load .... I\'ll keep trying.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 21, 2011, 10:50:40 AM
Photos below of blast cleaned bits then 1st coat of POR 15 - finish of coating really is good and hard
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on March 21, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
Sometimes reading your thread is a bit deja vu Cliff!

Looks like your lower links were in better condition than mine :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 21, 2011, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;750462
Sometimes reading your thread is a bit deja vu Cliff!
 
Looks like your lower links were in better condition than mine :)

Know exactly what you mean mate - yeah strange to have a few cars going through restoration at roughly the same time but when you think of it, this is far better as we can bounce issues across each others bow to discuss alternatives or preferences.

It also amazes me that two similar cars can have such extremities in condition that are not always due to the original manufacturing processes or materials - this being a common factor for all obviously.  Storage conditions and usage play a massive role in this as well as environmental conditions where used, how often used and if any maintenance routine has been employed through its lifetime and the quality of the consumables utilised.
When I 1st looked underneath Goldie I honestly thought she would be worse than she actually is - along with the occassional exception that is.  So I consider myself fortunate when I say yes, I have been lucky in that aspect.  But despite the difference in condition of the lower links, it doesn\'t matter as you are modifying Rexanne and these links would be replaced either way.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 22, 2011, 01:09:50 PM
Well breaking the mould slightly now Steve - thought I\'d add a bit of colour to the suspension partsand inner wings  .....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 22, 2011, 01:11:10 PM
Incidentally these are the same colour  :eek: but just in different lights.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: A7RXY on March 22, 2011, 02:12:05 PM
You\'ve been TANGOED ................
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 22, 2011, 02:52:47 PM
it\'s the man with the golden spray gun!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 23, 2011, 08:42:48 AM
Quote from: Ian65;750838
it\'s the man with the golden spray gun!

well actually the man with the golden paint brush :rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 26, 2011, 12:09:24 AM
Thought I\'d trial with fitting the new bushes into one of the upper links at work using a \'Fly Press\'. Prepared the bore of the link ends, greased them well and then greased the external of the bushes, positioned on the press, swung the head round and then POP! there it was in place. Then greased the bore of the bush and the external of the crush tube and again POP! in place - took no more than a minute wow!
Did the same to the other end - now looks better than a bought one - unfortuantely no photos tonight guys.
Then I went to the Watts Link - totally different story as the lip on the new bush is a lot larger than the receiving bore so every time we tried to do this it kept popping out on one side. So we reversed the link a few times and kept repositioning the bush until it finally went through - took about 15 minutes and just glad this is done.
So having started I\'m quite impressed how easy this job is in general and I\'ll probably get the other rear parts re-bushed early next week in work - beats the hell out of struggling in the garage without the correct tooling.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 26, 2011, 11:45:15 PM
Had a few spare moments today so decided to continue with the fitment of new bushes in the garage - hmmmm as I said yesterday, it was simple with the works \'fly press\' but more difficult with the bench vice and protected vice jaws but nevertheless did manage to do a few of the upper and lower links finished.  I\'m hoping to carry on tomorrow and complete all the rear suspension parts before getting back to the underside cleaning etc.  Here are a few photos as promised....

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on March 27, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
Looking good, the blue goes nice with the gold :rollin

Are your bushes single piece Cliff? I can see they\'d be a right nightmare to get in.

 I started to put my bushes in yesterday, they are mostly two piece so its just a case of tap each side in with a soft mallet.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 27, 2011, 03:59:59 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;751915
Looking good, the blue goes nice with the gold :rollin
 
Are your bushes single piece Cliff? I can see they\'d be a right nightmare to get in.
 
I started to put my bushes in yesterday, they are mostly two piece so its just a case of tap each side in with a soft mallet.

Yeah think it looks quite nice myself but I wouldn\'t intend spending a lot of time looking at them when they are in place either.

Yes all mine are single piece units but managed to get them all fitted by lunchtime today.  The worst problem was with the \'Watts Link\' upper and lower lateral links, the bushes have an extra wide fitting and square corners so I had to chamfer one end so that they would squeeze in instead of simply compressing against the steel tube - as I said, difficult in a vice but hey, ALL DONE! :wiggle
So it\'s back to preparation, I think some plating and welding this week so I can re-assemble the suspension and then turn the car round.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 27, 2011, 04:04:53 PM
Ian/Steve - meant to ask you guys, I had to reuse the original crush tube for the Watts Lateral links - did you or did you sets include new crush tubes for all?
My problem was the original crush tubes were quite heavily corroded so I got new ones made from stainless steel tube - cost a bit but worth it.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on March 28, 2011, 09:04:54 AM
Excuse my ignorance, but my crush tube do you mean the central metal tube that goes through the new bush?

If so then yes the RE-Speed kit contained the tubes for all the bushes, along with the drop link hardware and a new large washer for where the watts link pivot attaches to the axel.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 28, 2011, 11:33:19 AM
Quote from: Steve-A;752099
Excuse my ignorance, but my crush tube do you mean the central metal tube that goes through the new bush?
 
If so then yes the RE-Speed kit contained the tubes for all the bushes, along with the drop link hardware and a new large washer for where the watts link pivot attaches to the axel.

Yes, the central metal tube is the Crush Tube.

As I say, the UK kit you need to reuse existing crush tubes and reuse the large washer and also have to purchase the drop link hardware - huh, cheap skates :Hammer.
No despite this I\'m truly impressed with the kit I bought.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 30, 2011, 01:12:23 PM
Received my bargain £12 electric fans today but having 2nd thoughts above this as Goldie has an S2 rad - think I\'ll trial them on JAZ 1st as she has an S3 rad
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 30, 2011, 01:17:06 PM
Quote from: CHC;752607
Received my bargain £12 electric fans today but having 2nd thoughts above this - think I\'ll trial them on JAZ 1st to make sure they work


As Jaz is running a s3 rad these will fit easily... not so straightforward on the shallower s2 rad with the oil cooler under it as you\'d have to cut the shroud to clear the bottom rad outlet. It can be done, just a bit more work!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 30, 2011, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Ian65;752608
As Jaz is running a s3 rad these will fit easily... not so straightforward on the shallower s2 rad with the oil cooler under it as you\'d have to cut the shroud to clear the bottom rad outlet. It can be done, just a bit more work!

Guess JAZ has just got herself a belated birthday present then
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: myatt1972 on March 30, 2011, 09:16:34 PM
£12 ! What a bargain, well done.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 30, 2011, 11:55:28 PM
Then I\'ll fit these to my spare £25 refurbed S3 rad ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 30, 2011, 11:58:50 PM
Quote from: myatt1972;752744
£12 ! What a bargain, well done.

All thanks to Ian - he launched the link the other night with a buy it now or best offer, welllll who am I to deny the po a bit of bargaining and hey presto, deal done.  Will strip these down for re-furb before final fit.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on March 31, 2011, 12:07:56 AM
Quote from: CHC;752807
All thanks to Ian - he launched the link the other night with a buy it now or best offer, welllll who am I to deny the po a bit of bargaining and hey presto, deal done.  Will strip these down for re-furb before final fit.


great buy they are!

you could run one fan on the thermostatic fan controller and switch the other manually if you ever need it.... or run both on one controller or run both fans on separate controllers set at different temps... the possibilities are endless!!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on March 31, 2011, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: Ian65;752808
great buy they are!
 
you could run one fan on the thermostatic fan controller and switch the other manually if you ever need it.... or run both on one controller or run both fans on separate controllers set at different temps... the possibilities are endless!!

Defnitely a great buy but I\'m not into electrics that much so I\'ll be taxing your brain on this one if you don\'t mind mate.
Ta
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 01, 2011, 01:02:27 PM
I was sorting through my rotarshed the other night sifting out all the black interior pieces for sale and came across a part that I\'ve been after for a while - a sender unit .... yippeeeee. I bought a new gasket beginning of the year so just need to strip out the old unit now ....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on April 01, 2011, 01:22:26 PM
that\'s a series 3 sender Cliff with the low fuel level sender....it probably will go into a s2 tank and give the right reading but as there are slight differences between the 2 tanks, it might be worth doing a bit of research.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 03, 2011, 09:44:46 PM
Quote from: Ian65;753124
that\'s a series 3 sender Cliff with the low fuel level sender....it probably will go into a s2 tank and give the right reading but as there are slight differences between the 2 tanks, it might be worth doing a bit of research.

Oops - right again there Ian.  Well at the moment I\'ve got nothing to loose as the tank is currently out of the car so I can take out the current sender unit and then do some trials I think.
I\'ll keep you posted on progress when I get around to it.
Ta
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 03, 2011, 09:58:50 PM
Very little time to spare this weekend but did manage to cut out the rusted plates in the boot area (each side of the car).
So dressed and prepped the edges and made a cardboard template, marked onto stainless steel sheet and cut out with tinsnips before final dressing with grindette so that they fitted correctly.
Finally applied adhesive tape on the underside so that the inserts stay in place until they are tacked in and welded ....... welding to follow this week.

Here are the nearside pics ..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 03, 2011, 10:01:52 PM
... and here are the offside pics ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on April 03, 2011, 10:07:30 PM
Cant be much green left now Cliff!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 03, 2011, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;753652
Cant be much green left now Cliff!

Oh yes there is! :Giggle:Giggle
I\'ve decided to try & forget about the green and concentrate on getting the \'work\' done 1st.  The green can be painted over before I start to assemble the interior though - ugh!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on April 03, 2011, 10:33:51 PM
that\'s progressing very well Cliff... you\'re putting me to shame!... I\'ll have to get out in the garage and have a go at my car...
Just aren\'t enough hours in the day!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 04, 2011, 09:41:35 AM
Quote from: Ian65;753664
that\'s progressing very well Cliff... you\'re putting me to shame!... I\'ll have to get out in the garage and have a go at my car...
Just aren\'t enough hours in the day!

I\'ll 2nd that Ian - so much to do at home and now the silly season has kidded in too (mowing the grass, tending the borders etc; think I\'ll get a gardener so that I can do more work on Goldie :Giggle)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 05, 2011, 09:05:55 AM
Well, managed to get the offside plate welded in last evening - this proved to be quite simple (so it should for a downhand welding position) as access was made easier from the rear as the light cluster was out of the car.  I wouldn\'t recommend welding in these corners without removing the lights first and having plenty of ventilation and a light source.  Pics to follow ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 07, 2011, 11:37:38 PM
Here are the pics for the offside welding after cleaning and dressing ..
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 07, 2011, 11:39:23 PM
.. and then started to weld the nearside tonight .....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 08, 2011, 11:37:20 PM
Well finished welding the nearside tonight so I just need to complete the dressing/preparation for painting with the POR15 on the underside ...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 08, 2011, 11:42:36 PM
Next section to weld is replacement of the rear valance but before fitment I\'m considering completely rubbing the valance down and coating with the POR15 rather than no treatment as I\'m weary of damp/corrosion starting - once dry and cured I\'ll offer up, tack into place and then localised spot tacking along the top edge and weld up the sides.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 09, 2011, 08:35:22 PM
Finished preparing the underside of the rear outer and inner boot area where the stainless plates had been welded in - then painted with a good coat of the POR 15.

Then I rubbed down the temporary primer on the rear end and also the new rear valance then coated those too.
:)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on April 09, 2011, 08:38:57 PM
Looking good mate. That looks like one of those pretty awkward places to weld in and get the grinder in afterwards!

Is that the last of the rust on goldie?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 09, 2011, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;755178
Looking good mate. That looks like one of those pretty awkward places to weld in and get the grinder in afterwards!
 
Is that the last of the rust on goldie?

These two areas are quite difficult for access - even with a small angle grinder, really it would be better to use an air grinder (I was looking at them today along with an air compressor - Ian knows the retailer well too).  The air grinder is a lot lighter and smaller for those intricate places.
As for welding :Hammervery limited access and very difficult to get your head in with a screen - I actually welded both of these plates without using a screen! :rollin Spot welding constantly and the dissimilar base metals make a difference too.  Hopefully other areas will be a lot easier.

Alas these areas were part of "all welding already done" in the sales pitch so this is only the start for Goldie.  I have an area on the drivers side floor panel just in front of the outer seatbelt anchor point (about 75mm sq section), the frame for the nearside rear quarter window and running through to the rear transverse upper body panel (badly holed now I\'ve found it with the screw-driver test) and ????? I don\'t know what else I\'ll find when I start going forward.
So I\'m just starting whereas you must be somerhing like 98% finished with the welding?  The challenges of the FB Rex hey!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 09, 2011, 11:16:38 PM
I was on fleabay this week and was trying to buy a few bits for Goldie - rear spoiler and metal sunroof (both from Wolvey nr Hinckley) but missed out on both of them :(.  Anybody on the forum beat me to them?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 09, 2011, 11:43:11 PM
I did manage to pick up a new nose cone from RXMotors though :) - only trouble is that it\'s the wrong colour :( but regardless a good price I thought for a very good panel.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 10, 2011, 09:27:59 PM
This afternoon I decided to fit and weld the new rear valance into place.  I remember when I cut the old one out that there were only a few \'spot welds\' actually holding this into position so decided to make the welds more substantial when I did it - the end result being ....
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 10, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
Also had a little time to spare so I started to re-assemble the offside suspension, only trouble was I think the bolt eating monsters have been around as I\'ve mislaid the bolts for the upper links :2Confused - just have to search through all the bags now till I find them ...

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on April 10, 2011, 09:32:57 PM
That looks G8,so much easier fitting new panels,if only the rest were available & as cheap.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on April 10, 2011, 09:38:28 PM
Quote from: CHC;755328
This afternoon I decided to fit and weld the new rear valance into place.  I remember when I cut the old one out that there were only a few \'spot welds\' actually holding this into position so decided to make the welds more substantial when I did it - the end result being ....


Strong job... are you going to stone chip over it?
I remember welding one of those rear valences into a white series 2 back in 1997... I drilled out the factory spot welds to remove the old valance and then plug welded the new one in to the spot weld positions... it wasn\'t rusty, just smashed in and it really lifted the look of the rear end when sprayed up.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 10, 2011, 09:50:28 PM
Quote from: Ian65;755334
Strong job... are you going to stone chip over it?
I remember welding one of those rear valences into a white series 2 back in 1997... I drilled out the factory spot welds to remove the old valance and then plug welded the new one in to the spot weld positions... it wasn\'t rusty, just smashed in and it really lifted the look of the rear end when sprayed up.

For sure Ian - I\'m going to fill in as necessary, primer and then stone chip before final top coating.  Thing is, I know I\'ll have to have the rear panel at the base of the rear window sprayed in so I might wait and have the valance blown in too at the same time - at least that way it would be the same colour.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 10, 2011, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: syebba;755330
That looks G8,so much easier fitting new panels,if only the rest were available & as cheap.

You\'re dead right there Stu - a new panel going in looks fantastic in comparison to plating and filling but in fairness not everybody has the capabilty and some not the inclination to have this done, I\'ll do what has to be done while I can.
I know the sills are quite expensive but again if I had too, I\'d do it.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on April 10, 2011, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: CHC;755196
I was on fleabay this week and was trying to buy a few bits for Goldie - rear spoiler and metal sunroof (both from Wolvey nr Hinckley) but missed out on both of them :(.  Anybody on the forum beat me to them?


not me, I stayed out of it when you expressed an interest
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 10, 2011, 10:02:38 PM
Quote from: Ian65;755344
not me, I stayed out of it when you expressed an interest

I\'d do exactly the same for others too Ian and it was appreciated but even so, I\'d still like to find out the competition and who the lucky bidder was. :cool
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on April 10, 2011, 10:05:56 PM
Somebody out bit me on NGK plugs,£28 retail i bid £11!
 
I don\'t know whats best for your car cliff,
 
If youre gonna respray the whole car,mazda maya gold is a simple choice but,
 
To blow in repairs & panels without respraying the whole car,a paint match or mazda maya gold is your options.?
 
I suppose if you t-cut the original paintwork it\'ll remove any fading so hopefully the mazda maya gold will be a perfect match for a 25+ year old car?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 10, 2011, 11:32:54 PM
Quote from: syebba;755348
Somebody out bit me on NGK plugs,£28 retail i bid £11!
 
I don\'t know whats best for your car cliff,
 
If youre gonna respray the whole car,mazda maya gold is a simple choice but,
 
To blow in repairs & panels without respraying the whole car,a paint match or mazda maya gold is your options.?
 
I suppose if you t-cut the original paintwork it\'ll remove any fading so hopefully the mazda maya gold will be a perfect match for a 25+ year old car?

I outbid you on the plugs (I went to 15.83 I think) but somebody beat me too. In fact I think it might have been the same person to buy the spoiler and metal roof.

Yeah the spraying - it all depends by the time I\'ve finished how much of the car needs colour coding, upto now it\'s valance, upper rear (might as well say the rear end), nose cone & possibly a n/s front wing if I ever find a good one and what ever else I find during the restoration but good shout and I\'ll keep this to mind, thanks Stu.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 13, 2011, 11:14:52 AM
Quote from: CHC;755329
Also had a little time to spare so I started to re-assemble the offside suspension, only trouble was I think the bolt eating monsters have been around as I\'ve mislaid the bolts for the upper links :2Confused - just have to search through all the bags now till I find them ...


Well I rifled through all the cupboards and plastic bags last night until I found the bolts - originally I thought I\'d store them in a safe place, that safe I almost lost them! :rollin
Nevertheless now got them, so thought I\'d play around and fit the Watts Link as I didn\'t have much time left last evening.  All was going well until I tried to marry up the outer lower/offside bush into position and got a similar reaction to when Steve fitted his - it was about 50mm too far forward of the mounting, so back to the drawing board.
I dis-connected all the links and re-fitted the Watts Link 1st this time - having got the Watts Link and offside stabiliser arm in place, the offside upper and lower links simply fell into place.  I then tried to fit the nearside stabiliser arm to the outer mounting - a little lateral/sideways movement coaxed the bush into place and the retaining bolt slipped into position.
I\'ve left all the bolts loose until I complete the nearside prepping and painting (underbody and differential) before installing the final 2 links.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 13, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
Just been flicking through eBay and picked up a brand new Clutch Slave Cylinder for Goldie for £26 delivered :cool (Staffordhire supplier) - cheap as chips to me :):)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on April 13, 2011, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: CHC;755778
Just been flicking through eBay and picked up a brand new Clutch Slave Cylinder for Goldie for £26 delivered :cool (Staffordhire supplier) - cheap as chips to me :):)

Lucky Lucky Lucky....
 
John
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: johnnyboy on April 13, 2011, 03:27:33 PM
Quote from: CHC;755329
Also had a little time to spare so I started to re-assemble the offside suspension, only trouble was I think the bolt eating monsters have been around as I\'ve mislaid the bolts for the upper links :2Confused - just have to search through all the bags now till I find them ...


I have to say that spraying the suspension gold is absolutely inspired. It looks really good!
 
John.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on April 13, 2011, 07:46:50 PM
Quote from: CHC;755778
Just been flicking through eBay and picked up a brand new Clutch Slave Cylinder for Goldie for £26 delivered :cool (Staffordhire supplier) - cheap as chips to me :):)


proper bargain.... they got any more?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 13, 2011, 11:10:13 PM
Quote from: johnnyboy;755788
I have to say that spraying the suspension gold is absolutely inspired. It looks really good!
 
John.

Have to say John that I am really pleased with the way the colour coding has turned out too - nice of you to say (great minds think alike).  I simply thought it would be a bit different from the norm.
Ta
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 13, 2011, 11:19:20 PM
Quote from: Ian65;755860
proper bargain.... they got any more?

Alas no Ian - 1st thing I looked for was the quantity available but supplier details will be provided but their location is Staffordshire.

I can recall last year a seller had 4 or 5 for sale and if I am not too mistaken, wasn\'t it you who gave us the heads up for it (or perhaps Dibs or Tim)? I had then recently purchased a 2nd hand unit which was operational but the new price then I think was £27.99 and that too was an excellent price - so that one was fitted to JAZ.
Todays\'s price was too good an opportunity to miss so this one is for Goldie and a 2nd hand spare just in case anything should play up. If you recall the master cylinder is incorrect on Goldie (Saab unit fitted) so I now have a completely new hydraulic assembly to install nearer the time for MOT - a way off yet though.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 14, 2011, 01:57:05 PM
Quote from: CHC;755200
I did manage to pick up a new nose cone from RXMotors though :) - only trouble is that it\'s the wrong colour :( but regardless a good price I thought for a very good panel.

Nose Cone arrived today - gr8 job, good condition, just need to get it sprayed now (well when I\'m ready with other bits).
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on April 17, 2011, 11:59:37 PM
Terrible weekend for me, only did about an hours work and that was cleaning up the rear shocks to see how bad they are.  Other than a couple of holes in the upper shrouds they are in reasonable condition so I intend patching up the shrouds and then paint then - will post pics when I do this.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on May 04, 2011, 01:32:12 PM
Hows she coming along Cliff? Been a little quiet from you? :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 04, 2011, 02:04:33 PM
Had a few days abroad in Italy over Easter which was fantastic BUT was a disaster on the last day when we were robbed and only had what we were wearing to come home in.  At least we were safe and can tell the tale - oh! from what we understand the Italian Police say it was persons from the eastern block rather than Italians who did this to us.
We have holidayed in Italy for 10 years if not longer and this shall not deter us from going there again!

That aside ........

Last week did manage to get on with some work on Goldie - thanks for asking.
Finished off preparing the nearside wheel arch and differential, treated the underside and applied 2 coats of POR15.
Top coated the n/s wheel arch in Gold too.

Finished re-fitting the rear suspension units together with the anti-roll bar.

Fitted the exhaust heat-shield and placed the central exhaust pipes in situ ready for bolting up.
Petrol tank put back in  - just need to finish off preparing and painting around fuel pump so that pipework can be re-connected.

Still need to complete the welding to the offside behind the drivers seat and have found some fresh holes on the nearside too - this to come.

Then moved to front and stripped off the n/s wing and did some prepartion & painting there too!  I was looking at buying a replacement wing but have decided to plate the bottom section instead - photo to follow
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: syebba on May 04, 2011, 02:53:05 PM
It\'s coming on cliff,see you\'ve got your new rear valence on too.
The gold paint your using to colour match looks G8 & looks to be close to bodywork colour,what paint is it?
Sorry to hear about you being robbed.
ta ra...
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on May 04, 2011, 04:51:18 PM
Nice chunk of progress there, always nice when things start to come back together :)

Very sorry to hear of your misfortune also :( Sounds like you didn\'t give them the pleasure of disrupting you too much.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: David Nock on May 04, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
Sorry to hear about robbery Cliff, don\'t let it deter you, as you say.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 04, 2011, 09:16:52 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys - haven\'t said it for the sympathy vote it\'s just a warning to all.  This happened in a so called \'safe zone\' and even the local police force were shocked to hear of it - wrong place at the wrong time, simple as that.  Just beware wherever you travel.

Always like to do a little often so when it\'s posted it actually looks more.  The colour coordinated paint is actually a Hammerite \'Copper\' colour (approx £14.50 for 2.5 litres off eBay) which I think tones in very well for the underside areas between the gold & black.
Due to finding plates welded over corrosion I was very weary in the rear n/s wheel arch at the rear seating area.  Here when I was scrapping away loose paint etc. it felt very soft and then I came across \'filler\' :eek: so I dug into it and so relieved when it all came out and I finished at solid metal :Thumbsup!.  Even so I know there is a little plating to be done to the rear n/s floor later.  In all coming on well.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on May 26, 2011, 09:12:07 AM
Hows she coming along Cliff?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 26, 2011, 09:45:27 AM
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Hows she coming along Cliff?

My tail of woe, not done anything on Goldie for about 5 weeks.  Started with a small break to Italy which was gr8 and then went downhill quicker than a turbo charged rotary going down the 1/4 mile stretch.  Followed by a 2nd trip to Italy to collect stolen luggage and many hrs compiling receipts etc for insurance claim.
Nevermind that over now but despite some family health problems have been looking at JAZ though - radiator side bracket has broken off so rather than trying to repair it I am preparing my spare S3 spare rad and attaching electric cooling fans in preparation for installation.  Just need to sort out thermostatic control switch and new hoses first - wanted some poly hoses but can\'t find any on eBay, anybody seen any for the 1st Gen?

Hopefully this long weekend will be luckier???

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on May 26, 2011, 10:01:56 AM
Sorry to hear you\'re having a rough time mate. Hopefully things will look up soon :)

The side brackets for the standard radiators are soldered on, and I had a pretty successful go at soldering one back on the other week. Cheapo plumbing solder and a blowtorch and it went right back on. Worth a shot to have another spare anyway!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Casey on May 26, 2011, 10:38:17 AM
Really looking nice Cliff, excellent work and an inspiration (and challenge) to do some quality work on Kimi :)

I spent a few hours on her yesterday, de-rusting the n/s rear caliper, then using the "Marine Clean" and "Metal Ready" stuff before painting with Hammerite - gold colour actually, as the o/s rear had a new caliper fitted by the previous owner and that\'s finished in gold. I thought it would work well with the silver! Just need to find somewhere for bronze, but then again, the rust is a bronze colour, so no real need!!

I know Ian has mentioned going electric on the fans and has said he got a dual fan from a MR2 (\'93 model) I think. I\'ve just removed examined our viscous fan and determined it\'s "had it", so thinking electric is the way to go. Any idea where I can source a suitable fan (Kimi has an S3 rad)?

I would like to replace the rad hoses too, so if you find a source of for poly hoses, let us know!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 26, 2011, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;764917
Sorry to hear you\'re having a rough time mate. Hopefully things will look up soon :)
 
The side brackets for the standard radiators are soldered on, and I had a pretty successful go at soldering one back on the other week. Cheapo plumbing solder and a blowtorch and it went right back on. Worth a shot to have another spare anyway!

Keep smiling I say and live each day as if there\'s no tomorrow - hmmmm..... who was it who said \'redline a day\'? sounds quite logical to me.

Yeh that is what I intend doing when I have taken the oldun out (my trade this one).  As I intended converting to electric cooling it seemed logic to do it now then repair work for the rotarshed - trouble is the shed is beginning to bulge now hehehe :rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 26, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
Quote from: Casey;764922
Really looking nice Cliff, excellent work and an inspiration (and challenge) to do some quality work on Kimi :)
 
I spent a few hours on her yesterday, de-rusting the n/s rear caliper, then using the "Marine Clean" and "Metal Ready" stuff before painting with Hammerite - gold colour actually, as the o/s rear had a new caliper fitted by the previous owner and that\'s finished in gold. I thought it would work well with the silver! Just need to find somewhere for bronze, but then again, the rust is a bronze colour, so no real need!!
 
I know Ian has mentioned going electric on the fans and has said he got a dual fan from a MR2 (\'93 model) I think. I\'ve just removed examined our viscous fan and determined it\'s "had it", so thinking electric is the way to go. Any idea where I can source a suitable fan (Kimi has an S3 rad)?
 
I would like to replace the rad hoses too, so if you find a source of for poly hoses, let us know!

Must admit I just love colour toning especially with a protective coating too, just seems to set things off.
Really glad you guys \'picked up\' KIMI as I never got around to visiting John before he took his extended holiday so I\'m keeping a close look at the work you guys are doing.  I\'m sure you\'ll all do a grand job on him/her and I\'ll be glad to help out wherever I can.

I bought my electric fans offa eBay for £15 delivered, they were in reasonable condition when I got them BUT you know how it is - we just to make sure they look good before we fit them :yes, don\'t mind dirty hands and fingers when stripping off but got to be clean when re-fitting :Giggle.  So I\'d try fleabay 1st - saves on petrol and time too.
Ta
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 29, 2011, 07:12:07 PM
Do you guys remember when I 1st got Goldie and how she came with a free Kermit the Frog interior colour scheme?
Well this weekend I decided to do something more serious about it so had some paint especialy mixed for this purpose.  Did some rubbing down and a bit more Kermit removing and finished with the following result ......... and isn\'t this more pleasing on the eyes (its not all gone yet but what an improvement)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: myatt1972 on May 29, 2011, 09:55:39 PM
Ahhh, I quite liked the green !
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: spoddy on May 29, 2011, 11:16:21 PM
sorry to hear about you getting robbed, but as you say atleast you were both safe. there was a couple who went on their honeymoon and the wife went back to get some biscuits for their tea, she disturbed a robbery and was murdered over it. she had been strangled and her husband had went looking for her 10mins after it wondering what was wrong with her taking so long.

it was on the news a few months back and an awful tragedy, so a few possessions matter not compared to someone\'s life.

i see alot of owners of fb\'s going right back to the shell and fixing rust areas or repainting, is it straight forward to do, ie are these wee cars put together easily?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 30, 2011, 12:21:20 AM
Quote from: myatt1972;765587
Ahhh, I quite liked the green !

Yeh!  Hmmmm ...... I wonder :rollin
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on May 30, 2011, 12:38:42 AM
Quote from: spoddy;765626
sorry to hear about you getting robbed, but as you say atleast you were both safe. there was a couple who went on their honeymoon and the wife went back to get some biscuits for their tea, she disturbed a robbery and was murdered over it. she had been strangled and her husband had went looking for her 10mins after it wondering what was wrong with her taking so long.
 
it was on the news a few months back and an awful tragedy, so a few possessions matter not compared to someone\'s life.
 
i see alot of owners of fb\'s going right back to the shell and fixing rust areas or repainting, is it straight forward to do, ie are these wee cars put together easily?

Thanks Spoddy - yep we were fine and that is what counts but not so lucky for previous victims I\'m sorry to say.

As to repairing of corroded areas - unfortunately the FB does suffer from corrosion  problems which, if left, can become a more serious issue in a few areas.  For this reason if repair work is necessary the obvious choice is to get down to the bare metal to ensure that the rusted areas are properly treated (and in more seroius scenarios remove the badly corroded material and replace with new metal) before re-coating with the relevant coating.
As far as re-building these cars - yes they are quite easy to work on with a lot of the main panels and various components being readily removeable to gain access to the respective areas.
JAZ was my 1st full restoration project and I just adored the challenge this motor offered, so much so that Goldie became my 2nd restoration job - these cars :InLove

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on June 01, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
Well it was time for the rear valance to be colour coded with the main body - so here we are ...... although laquer coating yet to be applied.  Not a bad colour match though :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 27, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Hi guys - sorry I\'ve been away so long but computer finally replaced and with help from Kevin Gordon with IE9 issue - big thanks to Kevin :Thumbs-up -  I\'m now back on line.
New posts to follow soon.
Ta
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: spoddy on July 27, 2011, 09:43:27 PM
good to see you back, i work with computers, web dev too, so if stuck can give you advice :)
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on July 27, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
Welcome back Cliff....lokking forward to a mega update on Goldie mate!
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 27, 2011, 10:31:35 PM
Great to be back home at last, now I\'ve got a lot of reading & some updating to do.
Cheers guys,
:wave
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 27, 2011, 10:44:57 PM
Right then - where were we - ????????
Oh yeah - I\'d found a small hole in the floor by the offside seat belt retaining bolt and by the time I\'d finished cleaning out the rusty bits and done a little tickling it finished up about 65mm square. spo out came the s/s plate, snips and grinder and finishing touches with the aide of the trusty ball pane hammer.
Tacked this into position and then welded up - so here we have the before & after
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 27, 2011, 11:32:06 PM
So having completed the inner floor section it was time to go to the outside.
Again you will see that the rust appeared as a very minor hole which when poked and prodded abit opened up into quiet a large hole.
Again the trusted s/s plate, hammer & vice enabled me to adapt a flat piece of metal into a perfectly shaped floor section.
For those of you who haven\'t already tried welding in the overhead position - this is the most difficult welding position as molten metal can only go in one direction - yes gravity fed means it comes down and burns the hands and other parts of the body left uncovered, so always be careful in this position.  The option here is basically to spot weld, that way you reduce the heat input to the metal - takes a little longer but worth the effort every time.  Again, the before & after pics
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 27, 2011, 11:36:46 PM
Then the underside was cleaned prior to treatment & the old faithfull POR applied for good measure.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 28, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
The drivers\' side door isn\'t in the best condition so I changed it for one I\'d picked from Rossendale last year (from reg B33 TEC) - later I\'ll get around to change the colour but at least it isn\'t GREEN :Giggle
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 28, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
Front drivers\' side wing came off too - well eventually after I\'d struggled to free off the bottom securing bolts and even then one had sheared.  So as not to forget I drilled out the broken bolt before I sealed and coated the inner wing with POR 15 followed by a good colour coded coating of Hammerite
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on July 28, 2011, 05:32:35 PM
She\'s coming along well mate :)

Those wing bolts are a pain aren\'t they. One of mine the head was basically rotted off and the other sheared so I had to drill out too.

Cant have much more metal work left now?
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 28, 2011, 05:33:34 PM
Whilst the front wing is off I thought I might as well treat the inside of it too - again POR 15 with colour coded topcoat
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 28, 2011, 05:48:03 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;778834
She\'s coming along well mate :)
 
Those wing bolts are a pain aren\'t they. One of mine the head was basically rotted off and the other sheared so I had to drill out too.
 
Cant have much more metal work left now?

 
Not as quick as Rexanne did mate but slowly getting there especially when the dreaded corroded bolts allow.  As you know Steve, these particular ones are more difficult as they can\'t be \'soaked\' with freeing fluid, so we have to depend on capillary attraction to draw the fluid vertically (or not as the case may be).  Awkward little devils to get to as well as you have to support the body higher to facilitate access of the drilling machine + bit.  Still - luv a challenge me.

Nearside rear not touched yet mate but I do know that I\'ve some heavy work to do when I get round there - what did the advert say when Goldie was on eBay ....... oh yeah "All welding DONE" - yeah right! :rollin

Up to now the body work hasn\'t been that bad so I\'m keeping my fingers crossed on this one and after seeing the extent of your enforced metal working skills I know I have a high quality standard to maintain within the forum members.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Ian65 on July 28, 2011, 08:59:00 PM
rusted bolts are the curse of the clasic car restorer...
luckily, Mazda used a self cutting bolt on the 1st gens and this really helps when rebuilding these cars.
When the car was built, Mazda welded in blank captives into the shell and then used 6mm hex head \'taptites\', a self cutting bolt that was driven into the captives, cutting its own thread as it went in. This saved Mazda pre-threading the captives first. It has a slightly triangular shank that cuts the thread.
I bought a big bag of these from my local fixings specialist and they just swap like for like with the existing bolts. I have swapped loads of mine and everytime I work on the car and remove one, I replace it with a new taptite and put a bit of copper grease on the thread before I screw it in to make it easier to remove in the future.

The taptite bolt...

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/taptite1.jpg)

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/tap2.jpg)

The great thing about these is that if/when  you snap the head off a bolt, just drill a 5.5mm hole through the snapped off bolt and then drive in a new taptite.... most of the time it\'ll pick up on the original threads and the jobs a gud\'un. You don\'t even have to clean out all of the old bolt back to the threads. The bolts also look \'factory\' with the same 10mm head.

I drive mine in with a cordless drill...

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss333/gsxrmovistar1/tap3.jpg)

I\'ll send you some if you like Cliff, they don\'t half save some work.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 28, 2011, 11:32:20 PM
Good shout this one Ian and yes if I can take you up on kind offer, would be very much appreciated :Thumbs-up.  I\'ll look for some in the mean time too.
Brilliant idea though as it would save re-tapping the threads.  When I have previously drilled out the rusted bits I\'ve always re-tapped the threads and put bolts in - only trouble is although they look \'factory\' they appear to look a 25 year plus factory unit as mine aren\'t new-uns :(.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 28, 2011, 11:44:38 PM
Before I\'d coated the offsdie inner wing I did find some rust up the front end above where the headlamp washer bottle lives just above the tow bracket.  So not wanting to simply \'jenolite\' it and cover it up, again out came the cutting discs and welding set - Scottish Power just love me helping to swell their accounts and add to the xmas bonuses.
An hour later the rusty bit had gone, treated the remainder with \'jenolite\' washed off, dried, coated the inner sides with POR 15 where accessible and spray primer where out of reach, fitted the new metal and welded up and finally coated to seal in.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 28, 2011, 11:53:09 PM
Having sorted the outer edge I looked to the inner side and found yet more corrosion so I thought rather than repair it I might as well weld a handle to the chassis leg and use it as a sieve - no only joking (I mean how could I fit it into the sink!).
So it was more of the same to finish with just like a bought one but yet to be coated

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: Steve-A on July 29, 2011, 10:01:35 AM
Ooh thats a spot I\'ve not seen rusted out before! Once again so much for the rust free shell :P

Those taptites look good, I might have to buy a bag.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 29, 2011, 10:41:33 PM
With all the rust issues you had to tackle I\'m quite pleased to have one up on you Steve :rollin but yes it is quite an odd area for corrosion to find its\' way in - I\'ll dare say the nearside will be somewhat the same as it appears to have been done before - groannnnnnn ..... what catastrophe shall I meet this time I wonder?  I wonder what the chances are of finding GREEN underneath the Gold paint :rollin
I have to laugh otherwise it would drive me nuts - alright it has done already :Hammer
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 29, 2011, 10:45:33 PM
Quote from: Steve-A;778948
Ooh thats a spot I\'ve not seen rusted out before! Once again so much for the rust free shell :P
 
Those taptites look good, I might have to buy a bag.

I know I\'ll probably finish up with the nickname of "onions" (because I\'m always repeating myself) but actually for a 27 year young car the bodywork ain\'t half bad really and I\'m pleased with it (up to now - touch wood).
Cliff
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 29, 2011, 10:58:38 PM
So having dealt with the corrosion each side of the offside chassis member and then went to the underside.
1st the suspension links had to come out and thene uncouple the front anti-roll bar and then the mounting plates before I could expsoe the underside properly and have a guess what I found - yep! more rust, ho hum never mind :censored: :Hammer wasn\'t a surprise really

Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 29, 2011, 11:04:32 PM
Managed to treat the rusty suspension pieces in preparation for refitting later (after the nearside is checked out and any preventative work carried out.
Title: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: CHC on July 29, 2011, 11:08:47 PM
....... and as the radiator was out I thought I\'d rub down and treat the brackets which hold it in place (might as well let them tone in with the other panels)
Title: Re: Cliff\'s 1st Gen Purchase - Goldie
Post by: richrx on September 12, 2018, 09:47:26 PM
Ok holy thread resurrection ... But I stumbled across  this wonderful restoration, I was really enjoying it then page 31... Nothing... It stops!!

I hope everything worked out ok ... And there were no issues stopping the resto, apologies if something happened... But does anyone know if it was finished ? Is cliff still on these pages?

It would be good to see the final product

Thanks

Rich :13: